cache and onload events (repost)

2001-02-13 Thread rvj

Can anyone confirm if this is the correct newsgroup for cache and load event
issues.?

Any idea if

a) there a difference between loading a page via the address/location bar
and using the reload button.
b) do image load events (re) fire if the image is already in cache when
reload is invoked?
c) are images verified with the host if the browser is resized (ie. later
version)?


Thanks








Re: Help! Cannot install Mozilla anymore!

2001-02-13 Thread Pål Are Nordal

Robert Ennis wrote:
 
 I know that Mozilla is ahead of 6.01. But on my Mac, the mail side of
 Mozilla is not complete, and that's probably more important to me than
 the browser. If the browser displays nicely with speed, and allows me to
 use my scroll mouse, I have few complaints. But if the mail side lacks a
 spell checker,

You're on a Mac right?

ftp://ftp.uk.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.0/mac/macos8.5/xpi/

Download "spellcheck.xpi" from within Mozilla.

 and I get repeated error messages with every function I
 perform,

Try to delete your profile.

-- 
Donate free food with a simple click: http://www.thehungersite.com/

Pl Are Nordal
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






perldap problems

2001-02-13 Thread Ian Diddams

Firstly apologies of this is the wrong group; I tried to use dejanews to 
find 
a suitable group but its been taken over today by google - it indicated the 
npm.discussion group ...  but unlike dejanews which DID permit 
posting/replying to groups, this new google rubbish doesn't...  and I my 
usenet service (mailandnews) that I use doesn't seem to carry that group.

OK...  my problem...

I've been pointed in the direction of perldap as a possible solution for our 
users to update their unix login passwords which are stored in an ldap 
database (Netscape Directory Server 4.12).  The LDAP SDK for C we have is 
version 4.1.

The problem I find is that if I compile and install perldap (v 1.4.1) on one 
box (Sol 7, gnu make 3.78.1, gcc 2.81, perl 5.004_04) and try and run 
ldappasswd.pl (in the examples directory) it coredumps when I try and run 
it, 
wheras on another box (exactly the same OS, utilities and versions) it 
doesn't!!  FWIW the box it coredumps on is the actual server itself, but I 
dunno if that is at all relevant to the issue.

I also have a problem in that on the box on which ldappasswd.pl does work I 
enter the following command (as root, trying to alter the password of user 
ian) and receive the following response


# ./ldappasswd.pl -h lister.nm -b o=lister.nm -D cn=dmanager -w passwd ian
New password: new password
New password (again): new password

No such user: ian

Now ..  the user ian does exist and I can login using that name!!  I get the 
same response if I use a fully qualified name i.e. 
cn=ian,ou=People,o=lister.nm

If I login as user ian and try that command I get the same response and if I 
drop the final "ian" the response I get is that there is no such user : 
cn=dmanager!!

Finally, during the perldap compile/install, when running perl Makefile.PL 
the 
question is raised whether to use LDAPv3 Developer Kit... well, as stated 
above we are using version 4.12...  so should the answer to this be yes (as 
in 
we are using an SDK) or no (in that we are not using a v3 SDK)



Any ideas?

Cheers

Didds

If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's 
little point in writing.  -- Kingsley Amis





Re: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake

2001-02-13 Thread Cand . wirtsch . ing . Sebastian . Späth

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:00:52 -0500, Robert Ennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I mean, with due respect all around, I operate in a world of eBiz and IT 
and there are so many "certified" techs of all description running 
around that it's a joke. None of them, I might add, adds the title to 
his/her name. Certification is not like a PHD. It's about learning what 
you can from a few books and taking a test. I know this because I'm 
involved in the process. There is no social or academic status attached 
to it.

But the guy uses a middle initial too. So it kind of adds up doesn't it?

I usually am really patient with such guys like you, but I have to say
that *you* really added up a lot shit too. I am damn close to find out
how kill files work and I never had to use that feature before.

It is not that I don't have a sense of humour but your childish
ranting in several NGs is really annoying.
And if people want to use four middle names I wouldn't care, if that
is what people want to be called. 
It seems to be Netiquette here to use your real life names (which is
ok), but what the heck is it your business if people feel their title
belongs to their name? Who are you to judge that, please?
It might be much important to people in other countries, cultures or
another education than yours, ever thought of that?


Sorry, could not resist,
Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian Späth




RE: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake

2001-02-13 Thread Thomas Mann

My real name is Lord Lucan :-O

-Original Message-
From: Cand.wirtsch.ing.Sebastian.Spä[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:Cand.wirtsch.ing.Sebastian.Spä[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 February 2001 15:20
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake


On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:00:52 -0500, Robert Ennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I mean, with due respect all around, I operate in a world of eBiz and IT 
and there are so many "certified" techs of all description running 
around that it's a joke. None of them, I might add, adds the title to 
his/her name. Certification is not like a PHD. It's about learning what 
you can from a few books and taking a test. I know this because I'm 
involved in the process. There is no social or academic status attached 
to it.

But the guy uses a middle initial too. So it kind of adds up doesn't it?

I usually am really patient with such guys like you, but I have to say
that *you* really added up a lot shit too. I am damn close to find out
how kill files work and I never had to use that feature before.

It is not that I don't have a sense of humour but your childish
ranting in several NGs is really annoying.
And if people want to use four middle names I wouldn't care, if that
is what people want to be called. 
It seems to be Netiquette here to use your real life names (which is
ok), but what the heck is it your business if people feel their title
belongs to their name? Who are you to judge that, please?
It might be much important to people in other countries, cultures or
another education than yours, ever thought of that?


Sorry, could not resist,
Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian Späth



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Mac build problem - CodeWarrior 6 - missing c files

2001-02-13 Thread Arthur J. Lewis

On 2/8/01 in the afternoon checkout Mozilla to build it on CodeWarrior 6 -
grabbed all the usual stuff and ran into the usual problems.   However I am
stuck at the NSStdLib.mcp - because I lack the files:

string-io.c
sysenv.c
MallocUtils.c

Any one know where I can get them!!

Thanks - A. Lewis







Re: Mac build problem - CodeWarrior 6 - missing c files

2001-02-13 Thread Arthur J. Lewis

Sorry that should have been string_io.c (an underscore not a hypen)!!

"Arthur J. Lewis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
W2di6.891$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:W2di6.891$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 On 2/8/01 in the afternoon checkout Mozilla to build it on CodeWarrior 6 -
 grabbed all the usual stuff and ran into the usual problems.   However I
am
 stuck at the NSStdLib.mcp - because I lack the files:

 string-io.c
 sysenv.c
 MallocUtils.c

 Any one know where I can get them!!

 Thanks - A. Lewis









isapijavascript with netscape

2001-02-13 Thread XFI

We have develloped a website using Microsoft ISAPI. The index page contains 
a Javascript which redirect to a DLL that displays the real index page.
It works perfectly with IE but with Netscape we only see the index page  
can't click on any link. If someone can tell me why i would be very happy 
cause i've been working on this problem for a few days and can't find out 
any solution. Thks in advance.




Using netscape with network access

2001-02-13 Thread Zsolt Koppany

Hi,

time to time we have to make Netscape based (applets etc.) presentations
under Linux without network. Netscape-4.7 needs a very long time to come
up. How can I avoid it?

-- 
Zsolt Koppany
Intland GmbH www.intland.com
Schulze-Delitzsch-Strasse 16
D-70565 Stuttgart
Tel: +49-711-7871080 Fax: +49-711-7871017




Re: Help with bugzilla

2001-02-13 Thread Asa Dotzler

Braden McDaniel wrote:


snip

 Shoot the messenger, why don't you?
 
 Asa, I really don't think I could have labelled my posting as sarcasm any
 more clearly. Do you *really* think that people who want to subvert and
 abuse the system need me to tell them how to do it? C'mon.
 
 Don't try to make me the scapegoat here. There is a problem with the
 system: it is configured such that issues are "rewarded" for being
 duplicated. That reward inevitably comes at the expense of other issues.
 What I'm proposing would be a leveller. I don't know if it would cut down
 on the number of duplicate reports; but it stops specifically rewarding
 them, and that couldn't hurt.


Sorry I missed the sarcasm.  I don't see the reward as clearly as you do.
The most frequent list was not set up to somehow raise the priority of 
the bugs that end up there (and I doubt that it does or bugs would move
from that list a lot faster).  The most frequent list was set up to help
naive bug reporters avoid filing the duplicate in the first place.  

People who want to abuse the system will find ways to do that. They will
find those means more often and faster with you drawing the map for them.

But I'm more concerned about the naive than the malicious and you're 
misinforming them.  Bugs do not get fixed faster because "no one wants
Bugzilla to get clogged with a bunch of duplicate bug reports".  If 
anything, this slows the fixing process down.  Those same people who 
waste hours a day resolving duplicates and verifying fixes against 
duplicates are the folks that could be making tests and performing 
systematic functional testing on the product.  In my experience a 
regression (and most of the bugs ammassing duplicates are regressions) 
is fixed much faster if it is caught right after it happens.  If we're
too busy trying to keep Bugzilla from getting "clogged with a bunch of
duplicate bug reports" then we don't have as much time to be proactive
in our QA process and catch those problems as soon as they arise or 
help development track the problem down by creating simplified test 
cases.  I feel totally confident saying that bugs will get fixed faster
when QA has the time to be proactive instead of reactive.  

A vote is useful, and the information that a bug is high profile is 
useful. But neither of those pieces of information are as useful as 
a capapable person actually working to identify the root of the problem 
quickly and provide a developer with clear and helpful information.

--Asa





Re: Product name for Mailnews

2001-02-13 Thread Frank Hecker

Daniel Veditz wrote:
 Matthew Thomas wrote:
 
  And then, in 1998, a crazy man called Eric (not the same Eric as the
  other one) convinced the Netscape people to make Mozilla open source.
  Very cool. Very froody.
 
 Sort of. The idea of opening the source came from within Netscape ("In the
 fight between the bear
 and alligator, the outcome is determined by the terrain" --Barksdale). ESR
 was recruited to convince the reluctant.

And not recruited in the flesh (prior to public announcement) -- we just
referenced ESR's paper as a piece of supporting documentation.

Incidentally, in case anyone is interested in this (relatively) ancient
history, the recently published book "Rebel Code: Inside Linux and the
Open Source Revolution" by Glyn Moody has one of the most detailed and
accurate discussions I've seen of how and why Netscape came to make the
decision to release Communicator source code. (See chapter 11, "Free the
Lizard".)

Frank
-- 
Frank Heckerwork: http://www.collab.net/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]home: http://www.hecker.org/




Re: Beast Sex Please Be Warned!

2001-02-13 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


 Max Free wrote:
 
 [Click me][Click me]  [Click me]
 
 [Click me][Click me]  [Click me]
 
 [Click me]   [Click me]
 
 [Asian Beast][Asian Beast]
 
  
This site contains sexual material of an explicit nature and only
allowed to view by persons over 18 years of age. If you are under
   legal age in your jurisdiction, the material is prohibited in your
locale or you do not wish to view adult material then leave now.
 
Not for you? Then Check out these Great Sites
 
 To stop additional follow up messages click here

I've reported this to Abuse.net and to SpamCop.

How did it get on Mozilla Org news Server. If you'd switch to a Secure
Server we could avoid stuff like this!
-- 
--
Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street|Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868
Martinsville Va 24112-1809|[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
--

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!




Re: Mozilla as server?

2001-02-13 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Christopher Jahn wrote:
 
 And it came to pass that  wrote:
 
 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:15:32 -0500, jesus X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If that is true why have I been browsing the web without
  giving Mozilla "server" permission? And why doesn't IE or
  NS4 or Opera causes the prompt?
 
 IT all depends on how each program acts with each program.
 I've had Freedom ask about IE's "server" abilities. Of
 course, I realized Freedom was locking up my machine, so I
 had to deep 6 it.
 
 OK,  I understand that. Has anyone investigated why this
 happens with ZoneAlarm/Mozilla combination and not
 ZoneAlarm/NS4 combination?
 
 
 Communicator 4.xx does not have a PSM module - everything is
 part of the main code.
 
 --
 }:-)   Christopher Jahn
 {:-( Dionysian Reveler
 
 You're twisted, depraved, and rotten to the core... I like that
 in a person.
 
 To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom

Communicator uses RSA security module in the code. 

-- 
--
Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street|Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868
Martinsville Va 24112-1809|[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
--

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!




Re: Help with bugzilla

2001-02-13 Thread Braden McDaniel

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Asa Dotzler" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Braden McDaniel wrote:
 
 
 snip
 
 Shoot the messenger, why don't you?
 
 Asa, I really don't think I could have labelled my posting as sarcasm
 any more clearly. Do you *really* think that people who want to subvert
 and abuse the system need me to tell them how to do it? C'mon.
 
 Don't try to make me the scapegoat here. There is a problem with the
 system: it is configured such that issues are "rewarded" for being
 duplicated. That reward inevitably comes at the expense of other
 issues. What I'm proposing would be a leveller. I don't know if it
 would cut down on the number of duplicate reports; but it stops
 specifically rewarding them, and that couldn't hurt.
 
 
 Sorry I missed the sarcasm.  I don't see the reward as clearly as you
 do. 

You seem to see the potential for abuse, and that is a direct result of
the availability of a reward. No reward == no potential for abuse. ("No
potential for abuse" doesn't mean people won't make mistakes--of course
they will, and that is unavoidable.)

 The most frequent list was not set up to somehow raise the priority
 of  the bugs that end up there (and I doubt that it does or bugs would
 move from that list a lot faster).  The most frequent list was set up to
 help naive bug reporters avoid filing the duplicate in the first place.

That's reasonable. My previous thinking was that a functional voting
system would fill this role; now I'm not so sure. There may be a real
need to distinguish duplicated issues from "popular" issues

 People who want to abuse the system will find ways to do that. They will
 find those means more often and faster with you drawing the map for
 them.

So what means do you propose for raising visibility and fostering
discussion of problems that have the potential for abuse?

 But I'm more concerned about the naive than the malicious and you're 
 misinforming them.  Bugs do not get fixed faster because "no one wants
 Bugzilla to get clogged with a bunch of duplicate bug reports".

Asa, the *second sentence* in my posting was, "Don't take what I'm about
to say *too* literally." And here you are, pointing out problems with a
strictly literal interpretation of my remarks. How do you expect me to
respond? You really think I don't know there are problems with such an
interpretation? Why do you think I prefaced my comments as I did?

My posting was intended to make a point about how impotent the voting
system is. Limiting the number of votes per product artificially limits
the number of issues upon which users can register an easily-indexed
opinion. The system is sufficiently broken that duplicate reports
actually give users *more freedom* to register that kind of opinion than
the voting system.

And, yes, I'm quite aware that weeding out duplicate reports is a labor-
intensive process. *That's why I think the voting system should be
improved to provide the means that are currently only provided by
duplicate reports.*

Now, is anyone actively subverting the system as I described? Outside of
extreme cases (Bugzilla accounts with an unusually high number of
duplicate reports), I suspect it's impossible to say. What about naivete?
If the voting system were made more functional, could it then be made
more accessible and engaging to naive users, thus potentially heading off
duplicates? I suspect it could.

 If 
 anything, this slows the fixing process down.  Those same people who 
 waste hours a day resolving duplicates and verifying fixes against 
 duplicates are the folks that could be making tests and performing 
 systematic functional testing on the product.  In my experience a 
 regression (and most of the bugs ammassing duplicates are regressions) 
 is fixed much faster if it is caught right after it happens.  If we're
 too busy trying to keep Bugzilla from getting "clogged with a bunch of
 duplicate bug reports" then we don't have as much time to be proactive
 in our QA process and catch those problems as soon as they arise or 
 help development track the problem down by creating simplified test 
 cases.  I feel totally confident saying that bugs will get fixed faster
 when QA has the time to be proactive instead of reactive.

Hrm. This is part of the point of my proposal. I think if you had really
read my posting as the sarcasm it was labeled as, you wouldn't have
arranged these comments as an argument against mine.

 A vote is useful, and the information that a bug is high profile is 
 useful. But neither of those pieces of information are as useful as  a
 capapable person actually working to identify the root of the problem 
 quickly and provide a developer with clear and helpful information.

Obviously. But I think votes could be made a good deal more useful than
they are now. Furthermore, their current castrated state stands to come
at the expense of developer time by means of duplicate reports.

Braden




Re: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake

2001-02-13 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Actually in the case of CET's you can't take the Journeyman level test,
until you have 2 years experience in trade your taking the Test.

The exam is two part.

75 on Basic Electronics (Theory)
75 Journeyman level Test (based on knowledge of the field to which you
work). 

Some of the Journeyman test are:

"Consumer Electronics" (Radio/Tv/Stereo/DVD/HDTV)

"Computer"  (Equivalent to the A+ exam for Computer Technicians)

"Communications" (It and 25 question Rules exam is equivalent to 2ND
Class FCC exam which allow work on Two - way Communications equipment)

"Radar" (taking this test makes it eaier for Radar Technicians to get
jobs in the Airline industry)

While you may or may not be impressed with Titles. CET is not to be
taken lightly.

On the other hand When I worked as the sole Electronics Technician for a
25 - school, school system; I ran into many Phd's that although they had
plenty of book knowledge; they had the common sense of a turnip.

I did run into some though that didn't put up pretenses, didn't stick
their noses in the air, and look down on the masses, and had plenty of
Common sense.

Most CET's after they pass the exam use the title after their name, it tradition.

Robert Ennis wrote:
 
 I mean, with due respect all around, I operate in a world of eBiz and IT
 and there are so many "certified" techs of all description running
 around that it's a joke. None of them, I might add, adds the title to
 his/her name. Certification is not like a PHD. It's about learning what
 you can from a few books and taking a test. I know this because I'm
 involved in the process. There is no social or academic status attached
 to it.
 
 But the guy uses a middle initial too. So it kind of adds up doesn't it?
 
 Duke Ellington wrote:
 
  In netscape.public.mozilla.general the people heard Robert Ennis say
  these wise words:
 
 
  I'm much more impressed with your title, Duke. Certified techs are a
  dime a dozen and adding the letters to a name is kind of laughable. But
  a Duke is something else...
 
 
  grin
 
 
  seeya.
 
  The Duke

-- 
--
Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street|Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868
Martinsville Va 24112-1809|[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
--

If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!




So where is 0.8?

2001-02-13 Thread James Akula

I assume it's delayed.  No big deal if it incorporates all the new 
enhancements but gets rid of recent regressions and instabilities (the 
latest nightlies have all been hit or miss).  Can someone inside the 
project let the rest of know when to check back for it?





Re: Beast Sex Please Be Warned!

2001-02-13 Thread Daniel Veditz

"Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:
 
 I've reported this to Abuse.net and to SpamCop.
 
 How did it get on Mozilla Org news Server. If you'd switch to a Secure
 Server we could avoid stuff like this!

And then we'd lose normal usenet propagation. Some folks are behind
corporate firewalls and cannot access news.mozilla.org directly but must
read using their local news host or via an archiving site like deja.com (now
groups.google.com). And some overseas folks have a very slow and limited
pipe to the US but fast access to nearby news servers.

It's a trade-off that was discussed long ago, ending with the current
situation.

-Dan Veditz




http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58906

2001-02-13 Thread Eugene Savitsky

Hello!

Please look at this bug and say what you think about this.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58906


--
Best regards, Eugene Savitsky.
Menelon OU   E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.menelon.ee





Re: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake

2001-02-13 Thread Robert Ennis

Dear Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian Spth:

Well now that you got that off your chest, how are you? And what do you 
know about "such guys like me"? Such guys like me? How do you know what 
such a guy like me is anyhow? How do you know who you're talking to? 
"Childish ranting"? Give me a break. I'm sick of you Newsgroup Police 
with authoritarian personalities (where does that come from??) - 
individuals who think it's their responsibility to scold people saying 
things they somehow find offensive to the NG. Please forgive me. Sir.

I say this with the greatest respect, Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian 
Spth, since I would never accuse you of ranting childishly, even if 
what you said was insightful and intelligent, and who knows, someday it 
might be.

And as far as Mr. CET is concerned, he can call himself whatever he 
wants, but if you think CET is anything close to Duke Ellington, then we 
really do have something to quarrel about. I know what CET is and I know 
plenty of CET's, and let me tell you something, there isn't a Duke among 
them.

Do you follow me Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian Spth?


Cand. wrote:

 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:00:52 -0500, Robert Ennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
 I mean, with due respect all around, I operate in a world of eBiz and IT 
 and there are so many "certified" techs of all description running 
 around that it's a joke. None of them, I might add, adds the title to 
 his/her name. Certification is not like a PHD. It's about learning what 
 you can from a few books and taking a test. I know this because I'm 
 involved in the process. There is no social or academic status attached 
 to it.
 
 But the guy uses a middle initial too. So it kind of adds up doesn't it?
 
 
 I usually am really patient with such guys like you, but I have to say
 that *you* really added up a lot shit too. I am damn close to find out
 how kill files work and I never had to use that feature before.
 
 It is not that I don't have a sense of humour but your childish
 ranting in several NGs is really annoying.
 And if people want to use four middle names I wouldn't care, if that
 is what people want to be called. 
 It seems to be Netiquette here to use your real life names (which is
 ok), but what the heck is it your business if people feel their title
 belongs to their name? Who are you to judge that, please?
 It might be much important to people in other countries, cultures or
 another education than yours, ever thought of that?
 
 
 Sorry, could not resist,
 Cand. wirtsch. ing. Sebastian Spth





Re: Netscape 6.01 Sweepstake

2001-02-13 Thread Robert Ennis

Okay, okay. I'm sorry. You deserve the title.

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:

 Actually in the case of CET's you can't take the Journeyman level test,
 until you have 2 years experience in trade your taking the Test.
 
 The exam is two part.
 
 75 on Basic Electronics (Theory)
 75 Journeyman level Test (based on knowledge of the field to which you
 work). 
 
 Some of the Journeyman test are:
 
 "Consumer Electronics" (Radio/Tv/Stereo/DVD/HDTV)
 
 "Computer"  (Equivalent to the A+ exam for Computer Technicians)
 
 "Communications" (It and 25 question Rules exam is equivalent to 2ND
 Class FCC exam which allow work on Two - way Communications equipment)
 
 "Radar" (taking this test makes it eaier for Radar Technicians to get
 jobs in the Airline industry)
 
 While you may or may not be impressed with Titles. CET is not to be
 taken lightly.
 
 On the other hand When I worked as the sole Electronics Technician for a
 25 - school, school system; I ran into many Phd's that although they had
 plenty of book knowledge; they had the common sense of a turnip.
 
 I did run into some though that didn't put up pretenses, didn't stick
 their noses in the air, and look down on the masses, and had plenty of
 Common sense.
 
 Most CET's after they pass the exam use the title after their name, it tradition.
 
 Robert Ennis wrote:
 
 I mean, with due respect all around, I operate in a world of eBiz and IT
 and there are so many "certified" techs of all description running
 around that it's a joke. None of them, I might add, adds the title to
 his/her name. Certification is not like a PHD. It's about learning what
 you can from a few books and taking a test. I know this because I'm
 involved in the process. There is no social or academic status attached
 to it.
 
 But the guy uses a middle initial too. So it kind of adds up doesn't it?
 
 Duke Ellington wrote:
 
 
 In netscape.public.mozilla.general the people heard Robert Ennis say
 these wise words:
 
 
 
 I'm much more impressed with your title, Duke. Certified techs are a
 dime a dozen and adding the letters to a name is kind of laughable. But
 a Duke is something else...
 
 
 grin
 
 
 seeya.
 
 The Duke
 





Re: So where is 0.8?

2001-02-13 Thread Mike Koenecke

On or about Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:52:42 GMT, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED]
allegedly wrote:

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:22:51 -0500, James Akula [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I assume it's delayed.  No big deal if it incorporates all the new 
enhancements but gets rid of recent regressions and instabilities (the 
latest nightlies have all been hit or miss).  Can someone inside the 
project let the rest of know when to check back for it?

Look on the ftp site under the nightly builds. The latest version
there says 0.8

They always do (i.e., carry the next build number).
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BugZilla access control (bug 54095 == Permission denied) !?

2001-02-13 Thread Roland Mainz

Hi !



Stupid question:
Does BugZilla have some kind of access control ?

An attempt to read bug 54095
(http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54095) ends-up in:

-- snip --
Permission denied.
Sorry; you do not have the permissions necessary to see bug 54095.
-- snip --



Bye,
Roland

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Re: Mozilla as server?

2001-02-13 Thread Christopher Jahn

And it came to pass that  wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:56:40 -0800, Winter Icefang
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As near as I can tell, it uses a localhost connection to
access the Security Info section.  You can set Zone Alarm to
allow only local traffic, if I remember right, and it'll
work fine.  As always, I'm sure someone will correct me if
I'm wrong. ;-) 

Let me get this straight, you mean that PSM acts as a server
to Mozilla so that Mozilla can use it, and Mozilla acts as a
server so that PSM can send Security Info to Moz?


Nope.  PSM acts as a server.  I don't why there's a second 
zonealarm request either.


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Re: Mozilla as server?

2001-02-13 Thread Christopher Jahn

And it came to pass that Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:



Christopher Jahn wrote:
 
 And it came to pass that  wrote:
 
 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:15:32 -0500, jesus X
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If that is true why have I been browsing the web
  without giving Mozilla "server" permission? And why
  doesn't IE or NS4 or Opera causes the prompt?
 
 IT all depends on how each program acts with each
 program. I've had Freedom ask about IE's "server"
 abilities. Of course, I realized Freedom was locking up
 my machine, so I had to deep 6 it.
 
 OK,  I understand that. Has anyone investigated why this
 happens with ZoneAlarm/Mozilla combination and not
 ZoneAlarm/NS4 combination?
 
 
 Communicator 4.xx does not have a PSM module - everything
 is part of the main code.
 
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Communicator uses RSA security module in the code. 


But RSA deosn't act as aserver.  Completey different set-up


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What's the deal with profiles?

2001-02-13 Thread Mike Koenecke

Used to be, like Netscape version 4, you could set up a profile and
direct where the cache would be kept. This was helpful, because I
could synchronize my bookmarks and history between two computers
easily, without dragging along 10 meg. worth of cache. Now Mozilla
insists not only on continuing to place the cache in my user
directory, but keeps manufacturing more levels of cryptic directory
names to hide the profile under. What's the point of this? Why can't
it be configurable (i.e., cache location and the name of the user
directory)? It's getting to where I'm thinking of regressing to
Netscape 4.75.
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Re: So where is 0.8?

2001-02-13 Thread Micah Harwell

I assume it's delayed.  No big deal if it incorporates all the new
enhancements but gets rid of recent regressions and instabilities (the
latest nightlies have all been hit or miss).  Can someone inside the
project let the rest of know when to check back for it?

I'm not 'inside the project', but I would expect it to be release
within the next 2-3 days.

Look on the ftp site under the nightly builds. The latest version
there says 0.8

 They always do (i.e., carry the next build number).

Not anymore. It seems since the Netscape 6 branch, the trunk builds
have had the -Mtrunk suffix instead of the next Milestone number.

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Re: What's the deal with profiles?

2001-02-13 Thread Jacek Piskozub

Mike Koenecke wrote:

 Used to be, like Netscape version 4, you could set up a profile and
 direct where the cache would be kept. This was helpful, because I
 could synchronize my bookmarks and history between two computers
 easily, without dragging along 10 meg. worth of cache. Now Mozilla
 insists not only on continuing to place the cache in my user
 directory, but keeps manufacturing more levels of cryptic directory
 names to hide the profile under. What's the point of this? Why can't
 it be configurable (i.e., cache location and the name of the user
 directory)? It's getting to where I'm thinking of regressing to
 Netscape 4.75.

Well, it is configurable. Kind of. In your profile directory (that 
with the cryptic name) you have a file named prefs.js. You have to
change a setting named "browser.cache.directory". 

Maybe a bug should be filed on the lack of more user friendly way
of changing it. I cannot find one on bugzilla.

Jacek





Re: So where is 0.8?

2001-02-13 Thread Gervase Markham

  They always do (i.e., carry the next build number).
 
 Not anymore. It seems since the Netscape 6 branch, the trunk builds
 have had the -Mtrunk suffix instead of the next Milestone number.

Indeed. The M0.8 builds are from the M0.8 branch - but M0.8 is not yet
out.

Gerv




netscape-6.01

2001-02-13 Thread Zsolt Koppany

Hi,

a couple of weeks ago I tried netscape-6.0 under Linux. The software was
simple unusable. Should I try 6.01? I can hardly imagine that a lot of
bugs were fixed in a couple of weeks. Right now I use 4.76 and it is
stable.

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