Re: Security Concerns in Mozilla

2001-08-14 Thread Gordon Bennett

Chris Hoess wrote:
 you're trying to prevent some programming running as root (I assume we're 
 in a Win 9.x environment here) from getting data it wants in the system.  
 Making Mozilla cleverer at hiding data is pretty clearly a stopgap 
 solution; the solution is installing a personal firewall to keep the evil 
 malicious software from sending back data.  All removing the widget will 
 do is give people a false sense of security.
 
Right, Chris - but your arguments apply to a personal firewall too. The 
only solution is not to install malicious software, especially not with 
root rights.

GB







Re: GARY VAN SICKLY FOUND OUT, NO LEGAL ACTION COMING

2001-08-14 Thread WhooBoy

JTK wrote:
 
 JTK/Gary Van Sickle wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
  It turns
  out that the Braemar company he designs heart monitors for, had to
  recall a bunch of them.  They were faulty, and the FDA ordered a recall.
 
 The judge will likely order you to correct this yourself, but just for
 the record, the FDA did not order the recall of the LCDs with stripes on
 them.  We did that voluntarily.  Psycho.
 


What type of pathetic legal counsel have you sought that allows you
to continue to shoot your mouth off to the defendant?

Face it, there is no legal counsel or legal action underway.  As always,
you remain nothing more than a pissant monkey throwing your feces onto 
yourself.

You are a sad little dancer.


Whooboy




Re: Mozilla and Windows Resources

2001-08-14 Thread David Gerard

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:43:49 GMT,
Ben Justice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:My mistake, maybe I got Mozilla confused with the Geko engine or 
:something like that.  Seems like I read that thing was lean and mean.
:I just want a non-bulky browser that loads quickly and consumes a minimum 
:of memory.  Mail and news if included, should be an optional components!
:I like to use Pegasus and Xnews respectively.  Both free, Xnews is an 
:excellent news reader.


If you want properly-rendered pages, there is a Windows browser called
K-Meleon which uses some Mozilla bits (mostly the Gecko HTML renderer):

   http://www.kmeleon.org/

It's still in beta, but coming along nicely.


:Maybe I'll look into Opera.  Shame though,if I'm understanding your answer, 
:looks like I'll never really use less resources by choosing an alternate to 
:IE cause IE is running anyway. Might as well just run IE if I'm looking to 
:save resourses -- guess thats what MS intended?


Probably. But you might want to look at 98-Lite if you REALLY want to run
Windows but save resources. It's a project to get the bloat out of Windows,
and by crikey there's a lot of it:

http://www.98lite.net/products.html

I still strongly suggest you buy more RAM anyway, particularly at today's
prices!


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Fill a condom up with conditioner and leave it on the floor.
(MistressM revenge suggestion)




Mozilla install

2001-08-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

How to install Mozilla 0.9.3? I couldn't find the required glib on redhat 
ftp. Any working mirrors?




Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Andrew MacDonald

Håkan Waara wrote:

 About hacking backend... Usually, people start with the frontend to 
 become familiar with it. As they dig deeper, they also get to know the 
 backend.
 
 Starting out with the backend immediately may be a little rough.
 
 Our backend is built up using XP (cross-platform) frameworks such as: 
 XPCONNECT, XPCOM and XPIDL. There are a few good documents on each of 
 these technologies up on mozilla.org, but the most valuable source is of 
 course the actual code (lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey) and for specific 
 questions #mozilla.
 

Thanks - yeah, that's basically what I figured :) I've been checking 
over some of the documents you mentioned, and just kind of browsing the 
code, looking for a good entry point.

/andrew





Re: What's the deal with Mike Angelo

2001-08-14 Thread David Gerard

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:01:57 -0500,
Paul Bergsagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:I appear to be out of the loop. What is the the goal of Mozilla quest. 
:Is Mike Angelo actually folowing the Mozilla project or simply 
:practicing journalism National Inquisitor style? Is he for real or a joke?


http://mozillaquestquest.com/


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Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Peter Lairo

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Peter Lairo wrote:

Let's use the definition of the mail6 keyword and expand it to include
all Mozilla components (not just mail). The name of the morphed keyword
doesn't have to be what I suggested, it could be something else. The
description could include cautionary notes: e.g., seems easy to fix,
but could not be after a closer look. If so, please then remove the KW.
or whatever we need to get this moving.

I (and others) have exactly the same issues with mail6 as we would with
your proposed keyword(s).

It seems rthat keywords are unpopular in general - OK then.

PS. Ian, maybe you could make a suggestion that I could ridicule without
seriously considering its merits :(

If the problem you are trying to solve is how do we get more people
contributing good quality code then the answer is for these potential
people to do exactly what almost every other contributor has done: Start
off by helping with the QA and bug triage of an area that the new
contributor is interested in until the new contributor is familiar with
the bugs in that area, and then let the new contributor start reading the
source code and poking at it until they are familiar with that too.

Our codebase is *huge*. There is no way someone can jump in, fix a bug,
and jump out without spending DAYS if not WEEKS or MONTHS studying the
project. I'm sorry, it just can't be done. Those that have tried to fix
bugs without knowing the code well enough have quickly found that what
they thought was low risk was instead to become a smoketest blocker;
those that have submitted patches without learning the bugs in an area
have quickly been corrected by our reviewers and super reviewers.

To contribute to a project this big requires time. A lot of time. This is
just a fact of life.

If you really want to help, what we need is documentation, to make the
learning curve easier. Keywords are not going to help.

Proof of realisazion that one has responded sub-optimal is better than 
any apology - and you have provided ample proof - Thank You. And thank 
you for the well thought out explanation of your view on this.

I'm still not convinced that a visionary approach of keeping the 
current system, but trying new approaches (keywords in conjunction with 
a good Starter page is still not also worth a try.

PPS. Ian, I am sooo glad you found a situation where this keyword might
not apply. The exception confirms the rule.

I have yet to find a situation where your keyword *does* apply.

Really? or whas that defensive rhetoric? What about bugs that only 
require editing text (e.g. 123kb to 123 kb - add a space)?

PPPS. Insults are the arguments of those who have no arguments. (J.J.
Rousseau, schw.-frz. Phil., 1712-1778)

I hope you find this post more useful then.

Yes I do, thank you :)

-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo






Re: Security Concerns in Mozilla

2001-08-14 Thread hume . spamfilter

Jacek Piskozub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A pity. I would like Mozilla to do better than other browser :-(

I would like Mozilla to warp space and time to provide me webpages BEFORE I
request them, but that's not going to happen either.

-- 
Brandon Hume- hume - BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/
   - Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey 




Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Peter Lairo

it is identical to the mail6 keyword!

 Let's analyze this.
 
 You say they're identical, if so, then why duplicate it? We don't need your
 keyword then.

You neglected to quote me correctly annd mention that I had also 
(repeatedly) said the the mail6 should be morphed to include ALL 
components (not just mail)!

 You say they're identical, but who would make a keyword like mail6 mean that
 the marked bug is a low risk/high reward bug? Where's the logic?

Ask the people who created the mail6 keyword if you want to know who.

 They're NOT identical. Using my secret decoder ring, I can tell you that the
 mail6 keyword is for NS people to track bugs for Netscape 6.x's mail news
 component.

If it's useful to NS, it could also be useful to Mozilla.

 Lastly, you never replied to my statement that low risk/high reward is
 subjective, thus not easily able to be boiled down to a flag or keyword.

Who said it would be easy? Many keywords are subjective - nsCatFood 
anyone?
-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo





Re: java plug-in doesnt work on this site

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Davis

If you go to the above site or the parent page 
http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/ and select demos for 1.3 based 
applets it correctly uses the plug-in. If I disable java (ns) then I 
dont get the plug-in or the built in vm. I cant find anyway to force the 
usage of the vm. If you read the source on the above page it explicitly 
calls for version 1.3.1 java. Thats why all the spy pages show the built 
in version and not the plug-in version becase they dont specify which 
version of java they want so it defaults to the built in.

bob

Bob Davis wrote:

 The gemal.dk site gives 1.1.5 in netscape.
 The about:plugins shows the 1.3.1 java plug-in. I thought I had 
 activated the plug-in by installing it but I guess not. Do you know 
 how to activate the plug-in for netscape? In other words if this site 
 was equally broken for ns, ie, and mozilla then I would feel better.

 bob

 Richter wrote:

 Bob Davis wrote:

 I thought when I dl'ed the jre before I was using mozilla that it was
 supposed to replace the jre that navigator used. In fact I see the
 plug-ins in the navigator plug-in directory. How do I verify which jre
 version netscape is running? How did you do it?

 thanks
 bob

 Pratik wrote:

 This seems to be a problem in the applet not Mozilla. Fact, Mozilla 
 uses
 JDK1.3, Netscape 4.75 uses an older JDK (I checked on my machine 
 and NS
 4.72 on linux uses 1.1.5). Apparently something that worked in 
 1.1.5 is
 no longer working in 1.3. :(. Ask the webmaster to do something 
 about it.

 - Pratik.

 Bob Davis wrote:

 I dont know if this is the correct place to report this but here it
 is  anyways, If there is a specific place in bugzilla to report
 this tell me  and I will try. this site:

 http://www.interestratecalculator.com/mortgage/mortgage.html

 works in netscape and fails in mozilla. I have mozilla .0.9.3 
 netscape
  4.75 win98se

 I have the java plug-in 1.3.1  netscape navagator. In the about
 plug-ins netscape reports: npjava32.dll mozilla reports: npoj1600.dll

 npjava32.dll npjava131.dll npjava12.dll npjava11.dll

 The java console show:s

 java.lang.ClassFormatError: mortgage (Local variable name has bad

 constant

 pool index)

 at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)

 at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

 at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

 at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

 at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)

 at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)

 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

 at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)

 at sun.plugin.security.PluginClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)

 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

 at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadCode(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(Unknown Source)

 at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(Unknown Source)

 at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source)

 at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)





 Of course,   about:plugins   would tell you as well.

 Gus









Re: java plug-in doesnt work on this site

2001-08-14 Thread Pratik

Bob Davis wrote:
 I thought when I dl'ed the jre before I was using mozilla that it was 
 supposed to replace the jre that navigator used. In fact I see the 
 plug-ins in the navigator plug-in directory. How do I verify which jre 
 version netscape is running? How did you do it?
big snip

I just opened up Java console and it said that the Java VM version is 
1.1.5 (on my Linux Netscape 4.72).

- Pratik.





Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Mark Anderson

Peter Lairo wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have yet to find a situation where your keyword *does* apply.
 
 Really? or whas that defensive rhetoric? What about bugs that only
 require editing text (e.g. 123kb to 123 kb - add a space)?

Those aren't high reward, by any stretch of the word.

For the most part, high reward bugs at this point are not low risk.  In
fact, a great many bugs are just the opposite: high risk for low
reward.  I don't think that polish bugs could be considered high
reward (except maybe on the Mac, where UI consistency is valued much
more, and rightly so).




THE GARY VAN SICKLE PHENOMENOM IS OVER

2001-08-14 Thread JTK/Gary Van Sickle

JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 The judge will likely order you to correct this yourself, but just for
 the record, the FDA did not order the recall of the LCDs with stripes on
 them.  We did that voluntarily.  Psycho.

Now Gary, you disappoint me.
You know Stan Bormann, head of Braemar, ordered you off Usenet,
AND told you to stop publicizing the Braemar heart monitor recall.
Do you _want_ us to be fired from Braemar?   Is that it?

Good work on the correction about the FDA and Braemar.  Sorry about
muddling it up.   I don't know anything about medical devices. Let me
see
if I got your story right now.  Braemar built a whole load of
defective
heart monitors, and voluntarily recalled them before the FDA got
involved.  Yep, I am sure that anyone who got a defective Braemar
heart monitor is resting easy over that.  Assuming their heart is
still
ticking, of course.

What is this judge and legal proceedings you keep talking about?
You have been yammering about that for what, a year or more?  Talk to
the hand Gary, cos the face ain't listening.
Let me spell it out for you - a guy that posts something like this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sauce+group:comp.lang.java.advocacy+author:JTKhl=ensafe=offrnum=2selm=3B689326.AF08B334%40nowhere.com

Just can't stay off the sauce, can you reversky?

Or something like this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rotted+corpse+group:comp.lang.java.advocacy+author:JTKhl=ensafe=offrnum=1selm=3B61E912.B2F370E1%40nowhere.com

Here's one that will, I guarantee, do the most
possible to resuscitate Java's rotted corpse: Fire Scott McNealy.
Don't even worry about replacing him; even with nobody at the
helm,
Sun will do better than they are now. 

Or something like this, about a competitor's product:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22could+and+would%22+group:comp.lang.java.advocacy+author:JTKhl=ensafe=offrnum=1selm=8oko5g%24ark%241%40nnrp1.deja.com

   No, it could and would just wedge the device's communications link
   periodically.  Not sure what the difference would be.  Not sure 
   the FDA would see any either.

See, a psycho who posts thing like you did has no standing to sue
when someone objects. 'Course, you can pay $300 to have two more
lawyers
draw the pictures and explain it to you. Knock yourself out - it's
your dough.  I'm not even touching on the hypocrisy of your actions
Gary.  I can explain it for you, but I can't comprehend it for you.

Imagine how Ron would feel if someone were to start posting that kind
of libel about his company Braemar!  I mean, it is one thing to post
the
truth about the unfortunate manufacturing failure that led to the
RECALL
of the BRAEMAR HEART MONITOR.  It would be quite another to tell a
whole
load of lies over a period of years about the products of other
companies,
right Gary?  Tell you what -- a court date wouldn't be so bad.  Send
me email if you want my US mail address.   Be happy to give it to you.

You say you didn't work on the recalled Braemar Heart Monitor product
Gary, and I believe you.  You were doing a lot of posting in those
days,
and I'd be surprised if you found much time to do any work for the
people
who were paying your salary. 

Here's a prediction: Gary will get fired sooner or later.  And what is
with
all the alcohol-related imagery you keep bringing up?  I mean, I don't
want to suggest there's a little problem in that department, but my
medical
friends tell me the phenomenon is common and even has a name:
projection.

And all those threats about breaking people?  Did we have an unhappy
childhood?  Are we giving others in the family an unhappy childhood
now?
Think about it, Gary.  Would anyone well-adjusted give themselves a
goal
of breaking someone? Particularly when you're very visibly breaking 
yourself in the process.

Very Zen, Gary.  Good luck with the job.What goes around comes
around.
And remember, with capacitors, the current will lead the voltage
across the capacitor by 90 degrees.  IF you mount it the right way
round.

  Love,

Gary Z. (for Zero) Van Sickle
--
JTK, whom the Sickle Conspiracy spent a lot of time, money, and energy
to
discover is apparently one Gary Z. Van Sickle, which the evidence
shows
to be quite an upstanding member of the community.
Did he get his money's worth?




Re: THE GARY VAN SICKLE PHENOMENOM IS OVER

2001-08-14 Thread John Lockwood

On 14 Aug 2001 07:16:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JTK/Gary
Van Sickle) recently foamed, in a post headed THE GARY VAN SICKLE
PHENOMENOM IS OVER:

Far from being over, Gary van Sickle is an ongoing thing.  In fact,
long after the real one is dead, he'll go on living in the addled
remnants of your tiny little brain.  A caution, however:  as your mama
the whore may have told you, if you keep posting that way your brain
may stick like that.

Indeed, already you're so utterly screwed up that you can't even post
under your own name any more.  Your personality is reduced to a
pseudonym, your ambition in life shrunk down to the hateful hope that
you can get another man fired.  Someday like the rotting fruitcake you
are you'll dry up completely, except for your bitterness and
stupidity.  Those will cling to the crusted plate forever as a
testament to the way you were.






DDE server and Communicator progress

2001-08-14 Thread Francois Bonningues

Hello,
I am looking forward to having access to a method that would allow the
DDE server to know when the browser will have finished to load
the current HTML page. DDE progress method intend to notify the server
of DDE client transaction advancement but I didn't find any
method to get the browser loading status.
Thank you in advance.

Francois Bonningues
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: java plug-in help

2001-08-14 Thread lal_truckee

Maybe someone can give me some advice re the Java plugin.

I'm running a recent nightly on Redhat 7.1

My browser reports I need a JRE - it takes me to a Netscape site to 
download jre.xpi, and says words to the effect that it will install the 
jre. But it doesn't and basiccaly quits.

I have the jre.xpi but don't know what to do with it. How do I unpack 
it, where do I put it?

Maybe more importantly to the Mozilla project, why isn't the auto 
install working?





Rendering Problem

2001-08-14 Thread Zavier Sheran

I have a website at http://www.gar.or.cr

The blue main menu consists of 5 images. It displays
well on other browsers (IE5 Mac PC, iCab) but in
NN6.1 (latest) it falls slightly apart...

Any ideas why?

Thanks

-Zavier

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Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Jason Bassford

 post-docs, etc. We used to have a bunch of referential materials and 
 readings for them to get acquainted with our protocols. I can tell you 
 that invariably, all of them always ended up ignoring that and going to 
 the jr. or senior members of the group for help and guidance. The 

   What happens if nobody's available?  I'm sure that there's some
reason that you have reference materials in the first place.  If you
didn't need them than why were they created?  I'll bet that they're
still being created too.  The idea behind them is that they're good to
have in case there's nobody around to act as a mentor, for whatever
reason.  (The person's on vacation, they've left the company,  they're
too busy at the moment to get involved in the educational process, and
so on.)

   In addition to that, the group dynamic of the world visiting a
set of Web pages as a starting point for a project, even the dynamic
of online discussion and email interchange, is far different than that
of in-person group dynamics.  If you're working in a company you're
right that your often better served by going to a person and asking
something.  But if you're sitting at home, staring at a computer
screen, that option's not available.  Some people might well feel
better just clicking on an existing link to get to a source of
information than feeling awkward writing to somebody they don't know
and waiting for a response.  There are a lot of other considerations,
but suffice it to say that the psychological / sociological
interactions in computer based communications are different than what
you'd experience in a company with a team of people.

  Jason.




Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Peter Lairo

Mark Anderson wrote:
 Peter Lairo wrote:

Really? or whas that defensive rhetoric? What about bugs that only
require editing text (e.g. 123kb to 123 kb - add a space)?

 Those aren't high reward, by any stretch of the word.

the name of the keyword is *not* what is important. I have long since 
suggested easy2fix or *whatever*. The important issue is to get a 
keyword of bugs that newbies and other persons with limmited time can 
work on.
-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo





Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Peter Lairo

RV wrote:
 Peter Lairo wrote:

 We are not suggesting that it would *eliminate* the need to talk to 
 real people, simply *reduce* it.

 and that while better documentation (looking for volunteers.) 

 Just copy and paste the reply you gave to Andrew on 13.08.01, edit it 
 to include all OS's and you've got yourself an excellent first page 
 for the brand new One-Stop-Shop for people wanting to contribute 
 code page. Just make sure to add a link to a qury with *easy2fix* 
 bugs ;) 
 
 
 I might not know much (or anything?) abour computer programming but I am 
 quite knowledgable about group process dynamics and development and I 
 can tell you that pasting a static page with lots of pointers doesn't 
 necessarily help new people to join the project. It actually makes it 
 more intimidating. (How many poeple try to program a home device without 
 reading the instructions? Most of them try to do that.)
 
 I think what Asa did, posting a personalized answer to a person who has 
 shown interest in contributing code fixes, is more useful and at the 
 end more efficient. 

 Snip - more ponderings on something we all know: talking to people is 
better than reading a manual.

Did you even read the very FIRST sentence you quoted of me? Here it is 
again: We are not suggesting that it would *eliminate* the need to talk 
to real people, simply *reduce* it.

Neither extreme is the more efficient on its own. We need both.  It 
benefits noone to keep saying that personal contacts are better when 
someone suggests to improve the structure. Currently, documentation and 
structure are the weak link - let's talk about fixing it.

Obviously, we would all prefer a person who could show us the ropes. I 
am merely suggesting that a well structured and concise intro *might* 
help some people and maybe reduce some of the burden of those who are 
experienced and could be doing other things. ...like fixing my bugs ;)
-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo





Mozilla 1.0? Shouldn't it be 5.0

2001-08-14 Thread Jonas Jørgensen

I think it might be a good idea to consider naming the final version of
Mozilla version 5.0 instead of 1.0. Yes, I know that Netscape 4.0 (which
call itself Mozilla/4.0) and below is only nicknamed Mozilla, and that
the real Mozilla will be the first release to actually be named
Mozilla, and of course that logically calls for the name Mozilla 1.0,
but won't it be pretty confusing to have a User-Agent string in Mozilla
1.0 that reads Mozilla/5.0 (rv:1.0)? Did you consider what you are
going to do when Mozilla reaches version 2.0? Will the User-Agent string
stay as Mozilla/5.0 forever with only the rv: part changing? In my
opinion, naming the first final version Mozilla 5.0 will solve tons of
problems and complications, and I can't really see any good reasons not
to. I'm I the only one who thinks this is a good idea? Or have someone
else been thinking the same? Or did I maybe overlook something really
obvious?

Jonas




Mozilla 0.9.3 Cache/folder storage Woes... Help Please

2001-08-14 Thread Mike Kers

Hi,

I Need to change the mozilla cache/news/mail folder directories 
permanantly to some other than the default location.  How can I do this? 
I would prefer to store nothing at all in the default location, and 
instead specify an alternate directory.  For more info read on!

I'm using Mozilla 0.9.3 on Windows 2000 Professional at work.  My 
directory where all my user settings (profile) are kept includes the 
netscape cache as well as news and mail folders.  This is fine, but 
unfortunately our network admin only allows 6MB for profile space.  The 
disk cache alone maxes this out every time I use Mozilla, and it does 
not clear it at exit.

I tried diabling the cache (size 0) this solves the caching problem, but 
I still have trouble with news filling up my profile space and lets not 
even get into mail folders at this point.

I have no choice but to change all these folder storage locations, so I 
don't keep getting Profile Storage Space Exceeded error message.

Thanks,
Mike







Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Jason Bassford

 quite knowledgable about group process dynamics and development and I 
 can tell you that pasting a static page with lots of pointers doesn't 
 necessarily help new people to join the project. It actually makes it 

   No, that's true.  But that doesn't mean that posting a static link
necessarily helps nobody.

  I think what Asa did, posting a personalized answer to a person who has 
 shown interest in contributing code fixes,  is more useful and at the 
 end more efficient. Getting a personal answer, even if that answer 

   That's probably true in most of the individual cases.  Still, there
are some people who do function better with reference material, and
it's also the case that one person (Asa) can only do so much.  Given
enough people wanting one-one help, there would be a point where he
would not have the time to pay them the attention that they needed. 
At such a point it would be nice to have a backup system such as the
static link.

   I don't think that any of us who have been advocating a change in
one manner or another have said that any of the existing systems must
be discontinued.  All we're trying to do is add to what is already in
place.

  Jason.




Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread Mark Anderson

Peter Lairo wrote:
 
 the name of the keyword is *not* what is important. I have long since
 suggested easy2fix or *whatever*. The important issue is to get a
 keyword of bugs that newbies and other persons with limmited time can
 work on.

But then you need to listen to what Blake, Asa, and Ian have been
saying.

Such a keyword is utterly meaningless, because the very people who would
know a bug is easy to fix would just fix it themselves quickly rather
than put up the keyword.  And those who wouldn't know a bug is easy to
fix would not be qualified to add the keyword.




How to read news offline?

2001-08-14 Thread Eri Mendz aka NG_lurker

Even though i marked all messages im interested i cant get them when i
exit from Netscape 4.75. How can i retrieved the marked messages and
read offline? TIA?


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Mozilla 1.0? Shouldn't it be 5.0?

2001-08-14 Thread Jonas Jørgensen

I think it might be a good idea to consider naming the final version of
Mozilla version 5.0 instead of 1.0. Yes, I know that Netscape 4.0 (which
call itself Mozilla/4.0) and below is only nicknamed Mozilla, and that
the real Mozilla will be the first release to actually be named
Mozilla, and of course that logically calls for the name Mozilla 1.0,
but won't it be pretty confusing to have a User-Agent string in Mozilla
1.0 that reads Mozilla/5.0 (rv:1.0)? Did you consider what you are
going to do when Mozilla reaches version 2.0? Will the User-Agent string
stay as Mozilla/5.0 forever with only the rv: part changing? In my
opinion, naming the first final version Mozilla 5.0 will solve tons of
problems and complications, and I can't really see any good reasons not
to. Am I the only one who thinks this is a good idea? Or have someone
else been thinking the same? Or did I maybe overlook something really
obvious?

Jonas




Re: Rendering Problem

2001-08-14 Thread Clarence (Andreas M. Schneider)

Zavier Sheran wrote:
 
 I have a website at http://www.gar.or.cr
 
 The blue main menu consists of 5 images. It displays
 well on other browsers (IE5 Mac PC, iCab) but in
 NN6.1 (latest) it falls slightly apart...
 
 Any ideas why?

Because it uses images in table cells for layout, but has
a doctype triggering standards mode. See
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22274 (invalid).

Possible workarounds:
- Use another doctype (e.g. HTML 4.0 instead of 4.01,
  or 4.01 without URI) to trigger quirks mode
- Add the style display: block for the images
- Add the style vertical-align: bottom (does not work for
  images with a height less than the line height)
- Don't use tables for layout

The vertical space appearing and disappearing when resizing
the window is a bug in Mozilla:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51286 . Haven't
seen this much during the last months, maybe I can distil a
testcase out of your page.

Clarence




Re: DISCUSSION: Need *LoRiskHiReward* Keyword for beginner or casual/occasional contributers

2001-08-14 Thread jesus X

Peter Lairo wrote:
 You neglected to quote me correctly annd mention that I had also
 (repeatedly) said the the mail6 should be morphed to include ALL
 components (not just mail)!

I paraphrased. Mail6 will be going away soon, IIRC. Mail6 should not be changed
if it was staying anyway. If anything, a new one would have to be created. But
that's not going to happen.
 
 Ask the people who created the mail6 keyword if you want to know who.

Mail6 does not mean all components. The end.

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Message Filter Help

2001-08-14 Thread Jim Krist

I've been setting mail filters for my inbox.  They work fine.  But when 
I quit the program and come back, the filters are all gone.

What am I doing wrong?  Mozilla 0.93 Build ID: 2001080110

TIA





Re: Mozilla won't connect - connection refused

2001-08-14 Thread JP White

Brian Z Jones wrote:

 I forgot to add the file
 X:\WINNT\mozver.dat
 You'll want to get rid of that one, and any other moz*.* files left in
 that directory after the uninstall, too.

 -bZj


On Win98SE I also found mozregistry.dat in c:\windows

Thanks for your advice, Mozilla 0.9.3 now works on my system. Before it just
crashed!

Good advice.

JP

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Re: Is ther anyway to loginto Hotmail in Mozilla-Mail and not the browser? TIA!

2001-08-14 Thread Pratik

The answer is NO.

unless of course you pay hotmail money and get Pop mail access. Then I 
believe it should work.

- Pratik.

MeTwo wrote:
  
 






mozilla + fvwm: bug?

2001-08-14 Thread Denis

hello,

when a pop-ip window is opened from my mozilla, the outline of that window
is shown to take up the whole screen, and only when i click to place a
window, the window is resized to take up a small space it normally occupies.

i am running fvwm2, with ActivePlacement and NoPPosition, and
mozilla 0.9.3

this is not how it used to be in earlier versions (neither is this behavior
exhibited by any other application).

is this a bug, or am i doing something wrong ?

also, while on the subject of fvwm and mozilla, does anyone know how to make
transient windows also behave as activeplacement, meaning to allow me to 
place them wherever i like them ?

right now, both netscape and mozilla, when popping up transient windows 
(like a search dialog box, or an open file, or something) show up in the 
upper left corner, which is very annoying.

thanks,

denis




100,000 bug sweepstake

2001-08-14 Thread Gervase Markham

Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the date and time, in:

2001-01-01 10:10:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

format, of when exactly you think bug number 100,000 is going to be
filed in bugzilla.mozilla.org.

Asa won a holiday to someplace near Yosemite at the picnic today, but
the tight-fisted old so-and-so refuses to give it away, so the prize is
merely a free next-generation web browser and a year's subscription to
MozillaZine (a $39.95 value.)

You are allowed to file bugs to manipulate the result as long as you
honestly think they are valid ones. :-)

Let the guessing begin!

Gerv