Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Here is the page location. http://www.oo-xx.com/bbs/ The page creates a scroller div and sets its height to 30px. Then it forgets to actually set overflow to scroll for that div. As a result overflow is visible. Now the div has a height of 30px, so the following content starts 30px below the top of the div. The contents of the div are taller than 30px and are visible where they overflow, so you get the overlap you see. IE happily ignores the specified height of the div. This is a known bug in IE. So either don't set the height to 30px or make the div actually scroll (or do overflow:hidden or clip it or something). Boris - 617-864-9910 - The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology.
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Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 2001122420 vs latest 0.9.7
nearco wrote: How do these differ? What is the main difference? I can just see it ... a post by JTK that says Nothing. Am I good or what?
Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 2001122420 vs latest 0.9.7
Luke wrote: It's gone from pretty stable in 0.9.6 to buggy in 0.9.7. Lots of obnoxious gui bugs and trouble with downloads now. did you try a new profile as well? This should clear up alot of stuff for you. -dman84
Re: Herr Gilbert ist außer Haus.
Peter Lairo wrote: Subject: Re: Herr Gilbert ist außer Haus. From: Peter Lairo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:10:15 +0100 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Roland Felnhofer wrote: By the way - wouldn't that be a nice feature for Mozilla? What do you think shell we start a new thread to discuss this? I would sufggest you start a thread in the n.p.m.calendar group ;) Thanx for that hint ;-) I started one under: news://news.mozilla.org:119/a0cini$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Roland
Re: mozilla automatically unzip zipfile during download
Volker Dormeyer wrote: Hi, mozilla automatically does an unzip of zipped files during download. I. e. If I download a gziped file via http or ftp it will be gunziped by mozilla. Is there any way to stop that behaviour? Weird... my mozilla doesn't... I suppose it is a helper app you've installed that does it... check edit preferences Navigator Helper Applications hth -- Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P 4th Age webmaster designer - www.4th-age.com Webprogrammer for hire :wq
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
DeMoN LaG wrote: -snip- Considering there is no one to complain to at Mozilla, as there is no end user support, I fail to see how this is an issue Well I can vouch there is at least one end user testing Mozilla. grin (myself) I know others as well that are too. Although they do not participate in the Mozilla newsgroups. They've been scared off. (I'm to stubborn to be scared off grin again) -snip- -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: exporting mail from Outlook
Gord McFee wrote: On 12/25/01 9:51 AM, Jay Garcia wrote: Robert wrote: How can I export my mail from Outlook 2000 and import it to Netscape? Thanks. Netscape what ??? Communicator ?? NS 6.x ??? Mozilla ?? If I am not mistaken, both Netscape 4.79 and 6.21 import Outlook messages directly. -- Gord McFee I'll write no line before its time Communicator actually does not. Its a process involving Eudora. TO IMPORT OE MAIL: Go here and download R. Shapiro's script for Eudora Export: http://www.macemail.com/oe/as/all.shtml Place the Eudora Export file in the Script Menu Items folder of the Outlook Express folder. Run OE and on the toolbar you'll see an Apple Script icon. But first do a Select All of the messages in the OE Inbox. Choose Eudora Export from the Apple Script icon menu list of choices and save the resulting selection as InboxOE, as an example. I would save this to the desktop for the time being. Close OE and from the hard drive, go to your User Profile folder and look for the Mail folder. Just drag this InboxOE file into the Mail folder. Now run Communicator. In the Message Center, you should see the folder, InboxOE, and when expanded, you will see all of your imported email. Dragging by this method is easiest to do. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: exporting mail from Outlook (corrected)
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Gord McFee wrote: How can I export my mail from Outlook 2000 and import it to Netscape? Thanks. -- Gord McFee I'll write no line before its time Note for the Mac Platform: Communicator actually does not. Its a process involving Eudora. TO IMPORT OE MAIL: Go here and download R. Shapiro's script for Eudora Export: http://www.macemail.com/oe/as/all.shtml Place the Eudora Export file in the Script Menu Items folder of the Outlook Express folder. Run OE and on the toolbar you'll see an Apple Script icon. But first do a Select All of the messages in the OE Inbox. Choose Eudora Export from the Apple Script icon menu list of choices and save the resulting selection as InboxOE, as an example. I would save this to the desktop for the time being. Close OE and from the hard drive, go to your User Profile folder and look for the Mail folder. Just drag this InboxOE file into the Mail folder. Now run Communicator. In the Message Center, you should see the folder, InboxOE, and when expanded, you will see all of your imported email. Dragging by this method is easiest to do. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: Mozilla now recommended for FastMail.FM
JTK wrote: Oh no! You didn't recommend Mozilla to end users, did you? Now we'll have all these people asking for technical support in the Mozilla newsgroups! :-( I want to use and recommend free software, not Netscape proprietary and obsolete version. And mozilla works very well even for end users. It's tiresome this mozilla is just for us, users go get netscape thing. Yeah, but don't you understand Nicolas? Netscape is totally different from Mozilla - why, even the *splash screen* isn't the same! Yeah, I don't understand it either. The difference between Mozilla Seamonkey and Netscape 6 is that Mozilla contains menus labeled Debug and QA, preferences groups called Debug, features that are work-in-progress (such as Print Preview, or Tabbed Browser in 0.9.5), shows a page explaining how to help with testing and debugging the first time you start it, etc, etc. The reason why end users shouldn't use Mozilla is that they don't want to test it and debug it. They just want to use it. So you should use Mozilla if you want to help develop a cool, free program. But for people who doesn't want to do that, Beonex or Netscape 6 is a better choice. -- /Jonas
Annoying bug (linux) since 0.9.7
No nightly has fixed this one yet. Basically, if I wipe my profile, the first run is fine. Anything after, however, and I lose all of the text in the UI (buttons, etc), right clicks on objects (ie, bookmarks) in the ui instead of giving a menu give a little blank square. Anybody know what this is, why it broke, and if anything is being done to fix it? I'm on Linux kernel 2.4.8 (Mandrake 8.1 stock kernel) -- Greg -- Gregory Spath irc://freefall.homeip.net/mtb [EMAIL PROTECTED]aim screenname = fr33f411
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Considering there is no one to complain to at Mozilla, as there is no end user support, I fail to see how this is an issue Well I can vouch there is at least one end user testing Mozilla. grin (myself) I know others as well that are too. Although they do not participate in the Mozilla newsgroups. They've been scared off. (I'm to stubborn to be scared off grin again) Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? -- /Jonas
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
JTK wrote: [snip] until I got it through my skull that the Mozilla project was not interested in succeeding and delivering a viable product. If that is your opinion, may I ask why you are still reading the Mozilla newsgroups? -- /Jonas
Re: email going into trash
Esber wrote: Would anyone please help me. How come all my incoming email goes to my trash folder instead of inbox...thanks Edit | Message Filters Do you have a filter there that moves stuff into trash? -- /Jonas
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Image onLoad does not work!
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Re: Image onLoad does not work!
What's wrong ? Why Mozilla does wait having downloaded the Image to launch the function launch_diapo() ? I mean: What's wrong ? Why Mozilla doesn't wait having downloaded the Image to launch the function launch_diapo() ? French-english strange sentences ;) -- This is on the Net, this is SiovaDotNet. http://www.siova.net
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: ---snip--- Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? -- /Jonas actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. Because of this despite having Communicator setup in the internet Control Panel; to handle certain items http, https, ect. Netscape 6 takes over. I've somewhat eleminated this problem by using diskcopy to create an image Folder to hold Netscape6. At any rate Netscape 6 causes more problems than using Mozilla for testing. If Netscape would simply change the creator code on Netscape 6 to MOZS or MOSZ there would be no issue at all. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
Steve wrote: [snip] Not if you're using CVS, which unless you are you shouldn't bother. The initial checkout will take forever, but so little changes day-to-day that updates happen extrememly quickly. I did this myself for a while over 56K until I got it through my skull that the Mozilla project was not interested in succeeding and delivering a viable product. So your code wasn't up to par eh? Figured you were 'talk the talk, can't walk the walk' sorta guy. LOL. Indeed. I found it impossible to find yet another wheel to reinvent, or re-reinvent even more poorly, so I gave up.
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Hmmm, this quadruple-spacing is still here. Jonas Jørgensen wrote: Subject: Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly From: Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:58:00 +0100 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NNTP-Posting-Host: port21.cvx1-hg.ppp.cybercity.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.6+) Gecko/20011217 X-Accept-Language: da, en-us, en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:37848 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Considering there is no one to complain to at Mozilla, as there is no end user support, I fail to see how this is an issue Well I can vouch there is at least one end user testing Mozilla. grin (myself) I know others as well that are too. Although they do not participate in the Mozilla newsgroups. They've been scared off. (I'm to stubborn to be scared off grin again) Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? Indeed. Those are known to be defect-free. BAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAAHHAAAHAHHAHAAHH!! NETSCAPE HAS A DIFFERENT SPLASH SCREEN AND THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT END-USER USABLE! BAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA Come ON Jonas!
Re: mozilla automatically unzip zipfile during download
Volker Dormeyer wrote: I. e. If I download a gziped file via http or ftp it will be gunziped by mozilla. Is there any way to stop that behaviour? Known Bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116445 -- Greetings to Echelon and the NSA: president usa attack world trade center afghanistan terrorist terrorism bioterrorism anthrax white house pentagon car bomb
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: snip usual worthless drivel NETSCAPE HAS A DIFFERENT SPLASH SCREEN AND THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT END-USER USABLE! Netscape is a company with money to provide people to help end users with problems. If Mozilla were to allocate resources and people to help out end users, there would be no work going on towards the project. You claim to be so damned smart and you can't understand that? -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
DeMoN LaG wrote: actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. Shoulda kept your mouth shut, Jonas. Now we gotta here the whole speel about type and creator codes again. Sorry. I don't know much about type/creator codes, but why can't Netscape just change one stupid letter so Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. can stop wasting our time? -- /Jonas
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. ...and what about Beonex? -- /Jonas
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK wrote: Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? Indeed. Those are known to be defect-free. I never said that Netscape 6 was defect free. But it doesn't have Debug and QA menus, and it doesn't contain features that are only half done, like the tabs in 0.9.5. Oh, and if you don't stop breaking the rules of this newsgroup (such as don't post anonymously - your return address must be replyable), I will have to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /Jonas
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Because the point of the creator codes is to have them equal for _one_ application. Netscape 6 is, by the name (!), a new version of Netscape. So Commun. 4.x and Netsc. 6 have the same creator code. Netscape _should_ leave the same code. Jonas can change it on his own if it bugs him that much. Not much hassle to do so. QD edit. Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... DeMoN LaG wrote: actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. Shoulda kept your mouth shut, Jonas. Now we gotta here the whole speel about type and creator codes again. Sorry. I don't know much about type/creator codes, but why can't Netscape just change one stupid letter so Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. can stop wasting our time? -- /Jonas
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: JTK wrote: Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? Indeed. Those are known to be defect-free. I never said that Netscape 6 was defect free. But it doesn't have Debug and QA menus, and it doesn't contain features that are only half done, like the tabs in 0.9.5. Huh?!? The whole THING is only half done! And half is rather generous. Oh, and if you don't stop breaking the rules of this newsgroup (such as don't post anonymously - your return address must be replyable), I will have to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, take a number Jonas. If that is your real name - I guess I'll have to check with cybercity on that, huh? You're not looking close enough though - you'll have to bitch to at least two ISPs.
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: Huh?!? The whole THING is only half done! And half is rather generous. So half done that CNet, ZDNet and TechTV, among many other places, have ranked it equal to or better than IE6. Imagine when it gets all the way finished if now is only half, by 100% done it will not only be better than any current web browser, but any web browser that will ever be written! -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Image onLoad does not work!
Vincent wrote: What's wrong ? Why Mozilla does wait having downloaded the Image to launch the function launch_diapo() ? I mean: What's wrong ? Why Mozilla doesn't wait having downloaded the Image to launch the function launch_diapo() ? French-english strange sentences ;) Maybe I'm wrong and not Mozilla. Is there anyway to call a script after loading ? -- This is on the Net, this is SiovaDotNet. http://www.siova.net
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: Mozilla is targeted at developers. No, alas it's not... Features like the default for Save Page being Complete Page, using the title as the default filename for Save Page, a _very_ poorly implemented full screen mode and others show that Mozilla is in fact targeted at end users. (I would prefer if not, but it's as it is) -- Greetings to Echelon and the NSA: president usa attack world trade center afghanistan terrorist terrorism bioterrorism anthrax white house pentagon car bomb
Re: Mozilla port to the FOX GUI Toolkit.
Okay, thank you. S. Merde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Nope, it's possible. You just have to do the work. Mozilla currently renders it's own controls so all it uses are the basic drawing routines. It currently uses GTK on linux, but it doesn't use GTK's scroll bars, it just draws it's own. S. Merde wrote: So I take it by the lack of comments that it's impossible to port Mozilla over to other toolkits? [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S. Merde) wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Would a port of Mozilla to the FOX GUI Toolkit (http://www.fox-toolkit.org) be feasible or even possible? Since FOX is capable of running on many UNICES with X11 and Win32, the portability might be nice. Any comments on this? S. Merde
Re: Image onLoad does not work!
Vincent wrote: I works well with 0.9.5 and all IE version. But since 0.9.6 the onLoad does not work: img width=768 onload=javascript:launch_diapo() ; height=512 src=url_image.jpg Hm... it could be http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62288 Could also be http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93015 -- Greetings to Echelon and the NSA: president usa attack world trade center afghanistan terrorist terrorism bioterrorism anthrax white house pentagon car bomb
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JTK) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David W. Fenton wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JTK) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the overall theory of operation of Mozilla is to completely crap out if an I isn't crossed or a T isn't dotted in the HTML*, but what do you expect from AOL? I mean hell, it's not like they own Time Warner or something! If IE had not been designed to render invalid HTML (i.e., guessing what the web page is *supposed* to look like), then there would not be all these load-of-crap HTML editors that produce invalid HTML, since users would discard them when they saw that their browser couldn't render the HTML produced. Yep, I as a web user somehow care about that. Right, you get the job of explaining that to the dozens of Mozilla users. I greatly *prefer* a browser that rejects invalid HTML. No, a browser should render only *valid* HTML. What should it do when presented with 99.44% valid HTML? Like say a missing DTD line? That's not required by all versions of HTML. It should choose a DTD and do its best within that DTD. Dealing with a missing DTD is not the same thing as guessing where a /TABLE tag should go, as IE does and Netscape never did (very common scenario -- I can see it with IE, but the page is blank in NS!!! What's wrong?). In the case of the DTD, it's a non-required element, and there's a definition of what browsers can do with it. With a missing /TABLE tag, there's really no proper way to guess what to do with it, and by no stretch of the imagination does any DTD allow the omission of that tag. If that were the case, then there'd be no such thing as an HTML editor that produces invalid HTML. And who would be producing such magical, perfect software? And what if the invalid HTML was written by hand and you had only a person to blame? It should be rejected as invalid HTML, and the user should be instructed to run it through a validator to tell them what needs to be fixed. Can you imagine a compiler that would compile invalid code, I can list a few for you. How about some that *output* invalid code too? To the same degree that HTML editors do? I don't believe it. making a guess as to exactly where you meant to put that END IF? That's just bloody stupid, and the rendering of invalid HTML is just as bloody stupid. Again I ask, what should this hypothetical perfect HTML only browser do when confronted with slightly imperfect HTML? Crash? Display a MessageBox() saying I don't understand this HTML, sorry? That latter sounds nice. Automatically send an email to the webmaster of the site bitching at him so much that he finally blocks this mythical perfect browser from browsing there? What course of action should be taken? If browsers wouldn't render it, people wouldn't produce it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton dfenton at bway dot nethttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonas Jørgensen) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? No. Netscape sucks and has all sorts of crap I don't want. Mozilla is *great* for end users, even in the present versions. I've been moving all my clients who have been limping along on NS4.x over to Mozilla builds since August (0.9.3 was the one that won me over; the addition of tabbed browsing closed the deal for me entirely). Mozilla is simply a better browser, hands down. And it's got less crap than Netscape. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton dfenton at bway dot nethttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Close Button on Tabs
I looked on Bugzilla and Google for this, and no one seems to have said anything about this. I'm on Win95 OSR2 running Mozilla 0.9.6 (and loving it, of course). I used tabs all the time, and have found the close X to be unreliable. that is, I have some difficulty clicking on it and having the active tab actually close. I fail about 1/3 of the time, and have to click again. It's not a speed issue (i.e., I'm not being impatient and expecting the tab to close before it has time to do so), it's that it's not clear *where* on the X is clickable, and it's also not clear if I've succeeded. As the X is a command button it really should be raised, in my opinion. At the very least, the mouseover event should raise it so you can tell the clickable area, even though I basically consider mouseovers in general to be a complete abomination. I suspect that I'm moving too fast, and that the MouseUp is not happening until after I've pulled the mouse off the clickable area, but if that were the case, you'd think I'd have the same problem with lots of other X close buttons in other apps, but I don't. Anyone else notice this? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton dfenton at bway dot nethttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
History Window: change of view not saved
OK, I've looked on Google and Bugzilla for this one, too, and didn't find anything. I'm using 0.9.6 on Win95 OSR2. When I open the History window (having it take over part of the browser window is an IE-copycat abomination, of course), and change the view (I hate the IE-derived Grouped view), in Mozilla 0.9.3, this would be saved so that the next time I opened the history window, it would have the same layout as I left it in. But it always opens to the stupid grouped view (which I hate). And when I do get to the ungrouped view (a tabular view, like the Windows Explorer Details view), and try to sort, it takes 3 clicks of the LAST VISITED header to get it sorted right. The first click does nothing noticeable, other than changing the top item in the list to the very last page visited (and the /\ triangle disappears). The second click sorts in date ascending order (i.e., earliest at top of list) and the third click finally gets me to last at top. Something seems to be wrong with the updating of the grid. When I then click the Last Visited header again, it changes the first item to the last item (i.e., the earliest) but leaves everything else the same. In other words, it cycles through almost the same set of 3 views described above (only two of which have any use). I suspect something is screwed up here with the basic widget, but couldn't figure out what to look for in the bug lists. Can anyone else reproduce this? The problem with the loss of your view settings was definitely *not* there in 0.9.3, though I can't say for sure if the sorting problem was there or not, as once I had it sorted correctly, the setting remained and I may never have noticed it. It's pretty annoying, in general. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton dfenton at bway dot nethttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
DeMoN LaG wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. Shoulda kept your mouth shut, Jonas. Now we gotta here the whole speel about type and creator codes again. I fail to see why you keep saying how the Mac OS was done so poorly that it's not possible to run two different applications based on little 4 letter strings associated with them. Hell, I can run two programs called hi.exe on Windows at the same time, nothing stops me from doing that -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m PC's don't use Type and Creator Codes. With the use of Internet Control panel and File and Type and creator codes On a Mac you can take any given file and double click on the file and it will open the most appropriate application automatically Unless things have changed since DOS/W3.11.W 95 days when you double click on an application you have to browse to the application you desire open said document. Or you have topen the application first, then the file. On the Mac because of the Type and Creator Codes if you download say a PC Excel File it will automatically choose Excel Mac to open it or of you don't have Excel but have ClarisWorsk (Appleworks) it will open it automatically. There is a lot to be said for using type and creator codes If Manufacturers remeber not to give something totally different a same creator code. Netscape 6 is as much different from Communicator as IE is. But because IE's creator code is different it doesn't compete. The Type/Creator code system is not such a bad idea. remember you have 4 places in creator code and Type code. You can concevieably use any of the 26 letters in the alphabet in each place. I hope my math is right but the are 26 to the fourth power different combinations in each. so there are almost infinite possibilities. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Mozilla is targeted at developers. If you are an end user, wouldn't you be better off with Beonex or Netscape instead? actually no. on the Mac Platform Netscape 6 and Communicator 4.7.9 share the exact same Type and creator Codes APPL / MOSS. ...and what about Beonex? -- /Jonas That's a different application, so if Beonex could be used on a Mac the Creator code would be BEON so that wouldn't compete. grin. Last I checked there were no plans at the time to develop a Mac version. That was over a year ago though -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm
Re: Close Button on Tabs
David W. Fenton wrote: I looked on Bugzilla and Google for this, and no one seems to have said anything about this. Anyone else notice this? Me too ;-) Yep, the clickable area should be bigger, and the close button could be nicer. I also like this feature pretty much. Best wishes Gunnar
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
JTK wrote: Indeed. I found it impossible to find yet another wheel to reinvent, or re-reinvent even more poorly, so I gave up. So you're admitting you're inadequacy. Finally. Now if we could just understand why you are still in the newsgroups despite having given up on Mozilla, we'll all be happy. -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ] email [ jesusx @ who.net ] tag [ The Universe: It's everywhere you want to be. ] warning [ I am an American. Of this, I am proud. ]
remove me from this list
Asa Dotzler wrote: On December 21, 2001 mozilla.org made available for download binaries of the Mozilla 0.9.7 Milestone. The builds and release notes are availbable at http://www.mozilla.org/releases/. New to this milestone are fixes for about 1,400 bugs including: * The Labels feature in MailNews is now fully implemented. Organize your mail messages with the following new features: * Add labels to messages via context menus or the Message menu. * Clear labels from messages. * Change description and color of the labels via preferences (Edit|Preferences|Mail Newsgroups|Labels). Five different labels are supported. * Add filter rules to set labels to spec. * Mozilla MailNews now supports basic S/MIME functionality although the UI is still incomplete. * The Document Inspector is now enabled in complete installations. The DOM Inspector is a tool that can be used to inspect and edit the live DOM of any web document or XUL application. The DOM hierarchy can be navigated using a two-paned window that allows for a variety of different views on the document and all nodes within. If you're using the Mozilla installer, be sure to switch from typical, to complete or custom install to install the DOM inspector and JS Debugger. * The Mac OSX toolbar collapse button is now implemented. Press this button in the title bar to toggle display of toolbars. * The latest and greatest ChatZilla 0.8.5 now shipping in Mozilla. * Springloaded folders -- Dragging and hovering over a bookmark or message folder will expand the folder. * Mozilla works again on Mac OS 8.5. * Mozilla now supports shortcut icons (a.k.a favicons) and custom page icons in bookmarks and in the personal toolbar. * If you type into the URL bar while a page is loading, your text is no longer overwritten when the page load completes. (Bug 15050) * The sidebar now has a Close button. * Print preview is now available on Macintosh. * Mozilla now has support for digest access authentication. (RFC 2617) * The Save Page operation now also saves images, stylesheets, objects and applets included in the page. * Mozilla now supports the longdesc attribute of the img tag. The longdesc attribute contains a link to a file describing the image in detail, for those times where the image cannot be downloaded. To view the longdesc, right click on an image, click 'properties' in the context menu, then click on the description url in the properties dialog. * Mozilla has a new advanced preference panel for fine-grained JavaScript control. For instance, you can disallow pop up and pop-under windows without turning off JavaScript altogether. --Asa
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: Unless things have changed since DOS/W3.11.W 95 days when you double click on an application you have to browse to the application you desire open said document. Or you have topen the application first, then the file. Your memory was wrong back then, too. Windows anything did not require browsing to the application to open a file. If I wanted to open a .txt file, I double click it. It opens my default text viewer. Sure, you can say but the person who made it wanted it to open in program. Fine. But now if I don't want to use that program, I have to work every time so that it doesn't open in that program. I want to open an html file, I double click it, it launchs mozilla for me. I want to open a .doc, Word opens for me. It's the same exact affect, just achieved differently. For possibilities? Well, since most programs use a 3 or 4 letter extension, though more are possible, and those can be A-Z, 0 - 9, that gives 36 ^ 4 combinations, or 1,697,616. Plus an extension can be more than 4 letters if you really want. -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Close Button on Tabs
Gunnar S wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Me too ;-) Yep, the clickable area should be bigger, and the close button could be nicer. I also like this feature pretty much. Actually, the X is raised now... Don't remember if this went in for 0.9.7, but it is on the trunk. -- Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P 4th Age webmaster designer - www.4th-age.com Webprogrammer for hire :wq
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
NETSCAPE HAS A DIFFERENT SPLASH SCREEN AND THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT END-USER USABLE! Netscape is a company with money to provide people to help end users with problems. If Mozilla were to allocate resources and people to help out end users, there would be no work going on towards the project. You claim to be so damned smart and you can't understand that? Lots of free software projects are targeted for end users. And nobody expects a free software to provide more support than a mailing list. This argument of yours is nonsense.
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
Cat wrote: Not if you're using CVS, which unless you are you shouldn't bother. The initial checkout will take forever, but so little changes day-to-day that updates happen extrememly quickly. I did this myself for a while over 56K until I got it through my skull that the Mozilla project was not interested in succeeding and delivering a viable product. Just downloaded 0.9.7 for Linux and was really surprised. I can honestly say that I've never seen such a big improvement in a single release of any browser. 1.Much faster 2.Much better layout engine performance 3.Much better Java support(previously broken on Linux) 4.Much better painting of the GUI. It was buggy and slow. Most of the annoying bugs with Netscape 6.1 (Mozilla 0.9?) fixed. If you do a search for newsgroup post by me on Netscape you will understand what a revelation that was. Right, it is quite a bit better than Netscape 6.1. IE 3.0 was quite a bit better than Netscape 6.1, years ago. Communicator 4.7x is better than both of them, especially in the mail/news department. Browser-wise, IE6 beats the bejesus out of all of those combined. However, none of this has anything to do with CVS.
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: JTK wrote: [snip] until I got it through my skull that the Mozilla project was not interested in succeeding and delivering a viable product. If that is your opinion, may I ask why you are still reading the Mozilla newsgroups? You may. The answer is, I'm not entirely sure. At one point, long ago, I figured that perhaps Mozilla/AOL/TW could be embarrassed into delivering a usable product, e.g., one in which you could select some text, right click, select copy from the context menu, and paste away to your heart's content. But now it's clear even to this indefatigable optimist that such functionality that Notepad has had for many years is simply not forthcoming in my lifetime, my children's lifetime, nor my grandchildren's lifetime. Maybe I'm only here anymore so that once Mozilla has officially crashed and burned, I can say, I told you so; if you'd listened to even 10% of what I'd said you might have had a chance at success. Like I said, I really don't know. What about you? You're a true-believer, right? Mozilla can do no wrong? Why then are you here?
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
DeMoN LaG wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: snip usual worthless drivel NETSCAPE HAS A DIFFERENT SPLASH SCREEN AND THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT END-USER USABLE! Netscape is a company with money to provide people to help end users with problems. I thought Netscape was AOL. They've never helped end users with anything other than teach them the hard way how much of the internet they were missing. If Mozilla were to allocate resources and people to help out end users, there would be no work going on towards the project. And that would be different how? ;-| You claim to be so damned smart and you can't understand that? I don't recall ever claiming to be so damned smart; just old enough to know better.
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
DeMoN LaG wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: Huh?!? The whole THING is only half done! And half is rather generous. So half done that CNet, ZDNet and TechTV, among many other places, have ranked it equal to or better than IE6. Hehehe, yep, CNet said Netscape 6.0 was competition for IE. Then were forced to retract the ridiculous review because it was obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that the reviewer had never even so much as installed the app let alone used it for two seconds (Mozilla I mean Netscape 6.0's MTBF). Imagine when it gets all the way finished if now is only half, by 100% done it will not only be better than any current web browser, but any web browser that will ever be written! My great-grandchildren will be driving to work in nuclear-powered hovercraft and eating their meals in pill form by then.
Components
I would like to see my mozilla without some of the components in the components bar. Where in the code base the components (IM,Composer,address book) get embedded into the communicator? Where are the JS that invoke the components. Thanks in advance, Annies. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: Image onLoad does not work!
img width=768 onload=javascript:launch_diapo() ; height=512 src=url_image.jpg Try taking out the javascript: part from the onload attribute value, leaving: onload=launch_diapo(); I'm surprised the code ever worked in Mozilla as written and that it works in IE Boris - 617-864-9910 - Vast quantities of ethyl alcohol (CH3CH2OH) have been discovered near the center of our Galaxy; evidently our Galaxy has also discovered that the best place to store liquor is in the middle of the system! -- Frank Shu, The Physical Universe
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK wrote: I don't recall ever claiming to be so damned smart; just old enough to know better. So why don't you?
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: The Type/Creator code system is not such a bad idea. remember you have 4 places in creator code and Type code. You can concevieably use any of the 26 letters in the alphabet in each place. I hope my math is right but the are 26 to the fourth power different combinations in each. so there are almost infinite possibilities. Have you ever heard of the problem of how many people you need in a room for two of them to have the same birthday? 26^4 is not a very big number if it means that two programs can't coexist. I have on the order of 4-500 programs on my computer. Assuming that the Creator codes were randomly chosen, this means that I would have a 20% chance that two of them would have the same creator code. Once you have 800 programs on your computer, you have 50-50 odds of their being a conflict, how lucky are you? Once you have on the order of 2000 programs, your odds drop below 1% of their _not_ being a conflict, someone must really be looking out for you at that point, and 2000 is not infinite by anyone's definition. I'll give you that about 400 of my programs are the GNU tools that come with cygwin and would probably be compatibility tested with each other, but I still have about 100 normal windows programs for which I can't reasonably assume that they(ie creators) even know that the other programs on my computer exist let alone did compatibility testing so the choice of creator codes would be more or less random. I would still have a 1% chance of conflict which in the world of computers where 5 9 reliability is bandied around is not really that low... 26^4 is hardly infinite... Don't want to start another flame war, but I just thought I'd point that out...
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] If IE had not been designed to render invalid HTML (i.e., guessing what the web page is *supposed* to look like), then there would not be all these load-of-crap HTML editors that produce invalid HTML, since users would discard them when they saw that their browser couldn't render the HTML produced. Yep, I as a web user somehow care about that. Right, you get the job of explaining that to the dozens of Mozilla users. I greatly *prefer* a browser that rejects invalid HTML. Rejects it *how*? By crashing? A message box saying sorry, this web page has no DTD line: http://www.mozilla.org/index.html;? You know what I much prefer? Something the latest IE6 does: Renders the page to the best of its ability, and puts a little ! in the bottom-left corner saying errors on page or something like that for the six or eight people who actually care. I ask you sir, who loses by doing things that way? No, a browser should render only *valid* HTML. What should it do when presented with 99.44% valid HTML? Like say a missing DTD line? That's not required by all versions of HTML. It should choose a DTD and do its best within that DTD. On a page which requires it, what should happen? Are you saying it should choose a DTD and do its best within that DTD, even though it's *required* and therefore the HTML is *invalid*? So ok, you're saying that well, invalid HTML is ok in certain instances. Please enumerate those instances. Dealing with a missing DTD is not the same thing as guessing where a /TABLE tag should go, as IE does and Netscape never did (very common scenario -- I can see it with IE, but the page is blank in NS!!! What's wrong?). Answer to what's wrong: IE does it's level-best to put *something* up in the hopes that the viewer can make some sense out of it, Netscape (and Mozilla?) throw up thier digital hands and don't even say No /TABLE tag, I'm too dumb to even make a guess, crapping out. Again, why not render *something* and flag it as invalid for the handful that get all bent out of joint over such things? In the case of the DTD, it's a non-required element, and there's a definition of what browsers can do with it. You said it's not required by all versions of HTML, implying that some versions of HTML do indeed require it. But I give you one such page with that DTD missing. What do you do David? What do you do? With a missing /TABLE tag, there's really no proper way to guess what to do with it, and by no stretch of the imagination does any DTD allow the omission of that tag. And yet it's missing. Maybe their was only decaf in the webmaster's lunchroom that day, who knows. And what the heck, let's raise the stakes a little - the web page with the missing /TABLE is patient data that an ER doctor needs stat or a man dies (Mozilla *is* used in such life-or-death situations, right? I mean it's everywhere you want to be, isn't it?). So what do you show the doctor: the best you got, or absolutely nothing? I choose life. If that were the case, then there'd be no such thing as an HTML editor that produces invalid HTML. And who would be producing such magical, perfect software? And what if the invalid HTML was written by hand and you had only a person to blame? It should be rejected as invalid HTML, and the user should be instructed to run it through a validator to tell them what needs to be fixed. The *user*? Why in God's name should the *user* be getting involved in debugging somebody's web page? And tell that to the doctor above. Can you imagine a compiler that would compile invalid code, I can list a few for you. How about some that *output* invalid code too? To the same degree that HTML editors do? I don't believe it. That is why you fail. making a guess as to exactly where you meant to put that END IF? That's just bloody stupid, and the rendering of invalid HTML is just as bloody stupid. Again I ask, what should this hypothetical perfect HTML only browser do when confronted with slightly imperfect HTML? Crash? Display a MessageBox() saying I don't understand this HTML, sorry? That latter sounds nice. Well it's customizable with a few hundred lines of JavaScript, right? So in the ER example, how about I don't understand this HTML, please send my condolences to Mr. [INVALID HTML]'s family. Automatically send an email to the webmaster of the site bitching at him so much that he finally blocks this mythical perfect browser from browsing there? What course of action should be taken? If browsers wouldn't render it, people wouldn't produce it. If people wouldn't produce it, IE wouldn't bother to render it. But you see there's just one logical fault there, summed up in a single sentence two thousand years ago: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one - Romans 3:10
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Indeed. I found it impossible to find yet another wheel to reinvent, or re-reinvent even more poorly, so I gave up. So you're admitting you're inadequacy. I am admitting that I am inadequate to the monumetal inadequacy required by the Mozilla project, yes. Hell, that's on my resume! Finally. Now if we could just understand why you are still in the newsgroups despite having given up on Mozilla, we'll all be happy. No, I suspect you won't.
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: NETSCAPE HAS A DIFFERENT SPLASH SCREEN AND THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT END-USER USABLE! Netscape is a company with money to provide people to help end users with problems. If Mozilla were to allocate resources and people to help out end users, there would be no work going on towards the project. You claim to be so damned smart and you can't understand that? Lots of free software projects are targeted for end users. And nobody expects a free software to provide more support than a mailing list. This argument of yours is nonsense. In fact all of them are to one extent or another. Of course many are targetted at other markets than the general public, e.g. gcc to developers. The Mozilla Politburo however would have us believe that Mozilla is targetted at *nobody*. Still makes me chuckle every time I hear that one.
javascript Pop-Up Block on Load only
I recently installed 0.9.7 (milestone not nightly) and was messing with the javascript controls to block pop-up windows. seems it blocks all pop-up windows not just the ones that open on load or close. I have a lot of sites that use javascript to open new windows to add data or display an image or something, but they do not work with the new setup I had 0.9.6 on my other computer and I added the line to my user.js to block pop-ups from opening on load and close only (ie they worked if I clicked a link that used javascript to open a new window) and from what I read here I assumed they new javascript settings would behave the same way, but apparently it does not, anyone have any information about this, maybe this is one of the reasons it was pulled from the nightlies? -J Ward
Re: Access to the port number given has been disabled for security reasons
posted mailed On Wednesday 26 December 2001 10:31 pm, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: I want to browse a machine on my LAN whose web server runs off port 79. I can do so with the lynx, konqueror and opera browsers, as I expect. But both Mozilla (0.9.4) and Galeon (0.12.1) browsers instantly bring up a dialog that says: Access to the port number given has been disabled for security reasons BTW, the URL is simple: http://foo:79/ -Chuck
Re: Access to the port number given has been disabled for security reasons
Chuck Esterbrook wrote: posted mailed On Wednesday 26 December 2001 10:31 pm, Chuck Esterbrook wrote: I want to browse a machine on my LAN whose web server runs off port 79. I can do so with the lynx, konqueror and opera browsers, as I expect. -Chuck Quoting http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki: // For security reasons, Mozilla does not allow connections to // certain ports. To override this on a per-port basis, add a comma-separated // list of ports to default/all.js (in your mozilla installation directory). // For example, to unblock ports 1, 3, and 7, set the following pref: pref(network.security.ports.banned.override, 1,3,7);
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 26 Dec 2001: My great-grandchildren will be driving to work in nuclear-powered hovercraft and eating their meals in pill form by then. And I bet their hovercraft and the machine that dispenses their pills runs an embedded version of Mozilla -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 27 Dec 2001: And yet it's missing. Maybe their was only decaf in the webmaster's lunchroom that day, who knows. And what the heck, let's raise the stakes a little - the web page with the missing /TABLE is patient data that an ER doctor needs stat or a man dies (Mozilla *is* used in such life-or-death situations, right? I mean it's everywhere you want to be, isn't it?). So what do you show the doctor: the best you got, or absolutely nothing? I can actually see an embeddable version of Mozilla in a hospital. You'd never see IE in a hospital, or else every 30 minutes a little box would pop up on the cardiometer Sorry, CardioMeter 6.0 has encountered errors and will be closed. Sorry for any inconvienence. [ ] Restart CardioMeter [Ok] And if the nurse was eating lunch, the person just died. Wow, MS would be responsible for killing people, not just making me lose 2 hours worth of browsing for research for a paper. I can't even remember the last time Mozilla crapped out on me, and I use it 3+ hours a day. IE 6 craps out at least once a day, and I only use it for paying my credit card and using the MSN gaming zone, the browser is only open for maybe an hour a week, if that much. Netscape 6.0's MTBF? How about IE6's MTBF? -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 27 Dec 2001: Finally. Now if we could just understand why you are still in the newsgroups despite having given up on Mozilla, we'll all be happy. No, I suspect you won't. Now not only do you tell people how to do something you have no clue how to do, you also dictate to people what will and will not make them happy? So you are saying that you leaving will not make jesus x happy, and you know this. So what is next, you are going to tell me that if the Flyers win the cup this year it won't make me so happy I run naked up and down the street? -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: Programming Mozilla over dial-up?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, it is quite a bit better than Netscape 6.1. IE 3.0 was quite a bit better than Netscape 6.1, years ago. Communicator 4.7x is better than both of them, especially in the mail/news department. Browser-wise, IE6 beats the bejesus out of all of those combined. 1.Can you stop pop-up windows in IE without disabling Javascript? 2.Can you stop images not from the current domain? 3.Can you stop window maximize/minimize without disabling Javascript? 4.Do you have the source code to do with what you want? Actually have a look at a few pages with IE 3 before you go comparing Mozilla 0.9.7 with it. http://www.anybrowser.com/siteviewer.html The above URL was cut and pasted from Mozilla 0.9.7. You have to set the clip board to except things form Netscape etc. Maybe a security feature? Probably should be enabled by default. Of cause I can get the source to both and find out for certain. However, none of this has anything to do with CVS. If the product was utter shit I wouldn't bother to try and fix it up. It actually has some quite good features now. The favicon.ico actually works for my site better than for IE5/IE6. - -- Cat http://www.ratrobot.com/charity/charityframeset.htm What is charity? Is it charitable to give people a blanket but not a job? In this article I will explore exactly what charity is. http://www.ratrobot.com/java/ratrobot.zip FREE APPLETS JARS EDITORS CHOICE www.ratrobot.com Articles that challenge your ideas about yourself and the world you live in. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPCrNdyh0Y2LcENUAEQLsxACfaQhlh/1UJb2YqotjEZWB97P6O1MAn1h3 srnjWUKWWXSdRtxPsUlW8dXg =U65h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
