Re: MQ and MQSI on the Mainframe

2003-01-31 Thread Heus, M. - SPLXM
Hi,

be sure to increase the SHRLIBRGNSIZE to at least 300.000.000 (300 Mb), this
will decrease the amount of storage used when running multiple execution
groups.

As to CPU, a typical day on our production broker:
81.249.074 TCB+SRB SU for processing 130.808 msgs with a total size of
269.730.372 bytes

Regards,
Michael

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Hi,

MQSI on the mainframe is taking a lot of memory. Do
your planning properly during the setup. That the most
important part when using MQSI on the mainframe.

Thanks.


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 and MQSI on the
 mainframe platform.

 I am trying to investigate any performance issues
 this will provide on the
 mainframe. I have downloaded the support pac for
 Capacity Planning and
 Tuning, but I would like to know of any 'real world'
 experiences that any
 of you have encountered.

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Re: Volume testing of CICS requests

2003-01-31 Thread mqm mqm
Depends on what you are really trying to load test. Is
it the load on CICS or on your MQ network or on the
Windows application?

There are a number of testing tools for CICS (or at
least there were a few years). CA's Playback. I think
they also acquired CICS Verify so that product
probably doesn't exist any more. Compuware had a
product called Hiperstation - maybe called
QAHiperstation these days.

If it is the MQ testing that is important to you then
take a look at CommerceQuest's MQTester and
Compuware's QACenter for WebsphereMQ.

mqm

--- Peter Heggie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do people simulate/perform volume testing of MQ
 roundtrips that start
 and end in CICS? Messages go to Windows and back. We
 want to simulate CICS
 transactions that send one message at a time, so
 each iteration would do an
 MQPUT1.

 Is there a way, without having 100 people sitting at
 100 CICS terminals and
 hitting enter at the same time, of simulating a load
 on the system?

 I'm writing a batch program to loop through a file
 full of requests, but
 still that is only sending messages one at a time..
 I can't run more than
 two or three batch jobs at a time..

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AW: Triggering anomaly update

2003-01-31 Thread Raabe, Stefan
Kevin,

i think Morag already gave you the answer, i also think the
queue is still open thats why trigger first does not fire.

The Apar you refer to is related to shared queues, this means
queues that are placed in the coupling facility.

sharing a queue by using mqseries clustering between mq on
os/390 and mq on windows nt is a completely different issue and maybe
a bad verbalisation in this case...
in a mq cluster you get information about a queue and how to put data
into the queue by making your queuemanager member of the cluster
and by accessing repository information. but you do not share
a queue.

please let us know if the triggering issue is solved...

regards

stefan




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Folks

Looks like this is a known problem I have found a fix (UQ72551) (APAR
PQ67053).

Kevin Ferguson




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WMQI Logs on Unix

2003-01-31 Thread Reetha K
Hi,

The System.out.println within a java plugin node
appear on the console in windows NT if the broker is
started with  Interact With Desktop option.
How can we see these system.outs in unix?(WMQI 2.1)
The syslog doesnt contain these entries.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Windows XP - Version 5.3 - are we there yet?

2003-01-31 Thread Jeff_Lowe
Yes it will.  You'll need 5.3.0.1 for XP.





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I've searched all the list servers and message boards, IBM platform page,
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Re: Volume testing of CICS requests

2003-01-31 Thread Peter Heggie
Thanks to everyone who responded -


 IBM has TPNS, which can either work from network trace data, or you can
 create your own scripts.  Also, I think CA has a product called
Playback.

Rick Tsujimoto


We don't have Playback; we might have TPNS.. I'll ask our systems people..



You didn't mention if this transaction requires a needs to use a
terminal. I
am assuming not since you're starting it up from a batch program. How
about
writing a simple CICS transaction that does a START for a whole bunch of
transactions at once (well, OK, I guess they wouldn't be at once, but
they'd
be darn close). You could have it start up, say, 20 tasks and then just
start it up 5 times to get your 100. You could even trigger it 5 times
(that
should be closer together than typing in the transid 5 times). Or maybe
you
could schedule them all for the same future time using the EXEC CICS
START.

Rebecca Bullock


Yes I should have been more specific - actually, I'm not too concerned
about
MQ internals - from xmit q to channel to channel to target queue is really
fast,
and I've seen the performance data. (In fact I just ran a batch test of 135
Puts
and it took less than 1/100 of a second). I'm more concerned about the
contention
of 100 users all hitting enter at the same time and opening queues, putting
messages and closing queues at the same time. I really am not sure also
about the '8 TCBs' that MQ uses with CICS. I assume that means that eight
MQ related transactions are active/swapped in at the same time, with the
other 92 transactions swapped out.. ???

The GUI here is actually a hopped-up windows desktop application that
formats
the 'transaction details' into a data stream and sends it via a gateway to
CICS
where assembler/low-level programs translate the 'transaction details' into
a
call to a generic CICS program, which in turn calls the specific
transaction.

I shouldn't have to worry about that because we are modifying an existing
program to call MQ, but to simulate that transaction I'd have to recreate
the
COMMAREA which is kind of long. I guess I could do that.


To simulate 100 people sending messages at the same time, program your
batch
program to send all 100 messages in the same UOW. Tweak the channel
batchsz
and batchint to accomodate the entire UOW. The goal is to get the channel
to ship
some number of messages in a single UOW, such that they all become
available
at the same time.

Dennis Miller


I like that idea - it would make sure they all would be presented to the
target at the
same time. I'm guessing that they would actually be physically present on
the
xmit queue, but not visible to the channel (agent) until Committed? I'll
put that in my
batch program.

I'll also pursue the online scenario outlined above.



write one program to loop 100 times. have it start a simple cobol pgm
that
send a message to a round robin remote queue and then do a start with
data
on itself in an x amount of time. Have the start data contain the counter
for the number of messages sent and check the limit in the started
program.
This is your termination data. Have the target queue of the round robin
triggered to start amqsget or just leave the stuff the and do a CLEAR
queue
or something.

this is about 1/2 hour of coding or about as much time as this thread has
occupied. What I'm saying is there only one simple way to accomplish if
you
don't have a stress test package in place and are VERY familuar with it.

bobbee


ok, I'm still having trouble with this one. Maybe I need more coffee. A
'shell'
program loops for 100 times.. In each loop it starts an MQ program that
does
a Put, and does a start of a third program? why is there a timer?
Why not have a shell program loop 100 times to start an MQ program that
does
the open, put and close? Does this keep them independent (not
single-threaded)?
Or are you saying there is a way for all these started MQ progams to just
wait out
there until all 100 have been started (by each one looking at the message
counter)? And then they would all take off at the same time?

By the way, this is a roundtrip -request/reply, and I am matching on
CorrelId.


Depends on what you are really trying to load test. Is
it the load on CICS or on your MQ network or on the
Windows application?

There are a number of testing tools for CICS (or at
least there were a few years). CA's Playback. I think
they also acquired CICS Verify so that product
probably doesn't exist any more. Compuware had a
product called Hiperstation - maybe called
QAHiperstation these days.

If it is the MQ testing that is important to you then
take a look at CommerceQuest's MQTester and
Compuware's QACenter for WebsphereMQ.

mqm


Actually, I am testing the Windows application load also, just because
there is triggering involved, and the Windows app is a COM+ component,
so I have to trigger an EXE which will then call the COM+ component.

I wrote the EXE, and unfortunately it is generic so it is a little slower
than
it could be. I have tried 

Re: MQ and MQSI on the Mainframe

2003-01-31 Thread Jeff_Lowe
We are running on an os/390 mf.  The performance issues have been around
the NT environment every time.  The network here is fast.





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Tuning, but I would like to know of any 'real world' experiences that any
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Thanks



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Strange Behaviour QMGR

2003-01-31 Thread Voges, P. (Pieter)
Title: Strange Behaviour QMGR





Please help, any input will be appreciated.


Strange new problem on unix(AIX) qmgr connected to os390 and NT qmgr's. Happened on 30 December and 31 January. Unix ver 5.1, mvs and NT ver 5.2

QMGR to QMGR connected through sender and receiver channels - disconnect interval 0.


The following are noticed between NT and Unix even though the channels on both sides shows as running and messages are not received. Soon after this, no RUNMQSC commands can be entered on Unix and eventually the QMGR needs to be bounced. There are no error logs on Unix. 

What causes a connection on a port to get a CLOSE_WAIT status?


What can be done to rectify it. When it hits this state soon RUNMQSC does not accept any input and shortly thereafter the QMGR cannot being brought down, not even with the '-i' command. After restarting the unix qmgr, everything is sorted out. 


Command failed: chmod a+rw /dev/null
chmod: /dev/null: Not owner

Press return to continue:
08:07:00 all_adm@flash_boot1:/main/nedcor/home/all_adm
netstat -a| grep 1414
tcp4 0 0 swift1.1414 safeprod.it.nedn.3798 ESTABLISHED
tcp4 0 0 swift1.1414 mvsprod.it.nedne.2573 ESTABLISHED
tcp4 0 0 *.1414 *.* LISTEN
tcp4 0 0 swift1.32905 safeprod.it.nedn.1414 CLOSE_WAIT


Thank you 
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Nedcor Limited
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Re: MQ and MQSI on the Mainframe

2003-01-31 Thread Kiernan, Andrew
Title: RE: MQ  and MQSI on the Mainframe





I'd agree but the experience is of using W2K not NT. OS/390 acted in a rather bored and unoccupied way, processing messages. W2K got so agitated it should have seen a therapist (or just had a nice cup of tea, bearing in mind this is England).

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We are running on an os/390 mf. The performance issues have been around
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mainframe platform.


I am trying to investigate any performance issues this will provide on the
mainframe. I have downloaded the support pac for Capacity Planning and
Tuning, but I would like to know of any 'real world' experiences that any
of you have encountered.


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Re: Strange Behaviour QMGR

2003-01-31 Thread Ron Bower
I've seen this problem as well against the 5.1
product.  I know that there were some changes (fixes)
put in to the 5.2 and 5.3 product to resolve this.
I'd suggest moving forward.

Ron
--- Voges, P. (Pieter) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please help, any input will be appreciated.

 Strange new problem on unix(AIX) qmgr  connected to
 os390 and NT qmgr's.
 Happened on 30 December and 31 January. Unix ver
 5.1, mvs and NT ver 5.2

 QMGR to QMGR connected through sender and receiver
 channels - disconnect
 interval 0.

 The following are noticed between NT and Unix even
 though the channels on
 both sides shows as running and messages are not
 received. Soon after
 this, no RUNMQSC commands can be entered on Unix and
 eventually the QMGR
 needs to be bounced. There are no error logs on
 Unix.

 What causes a connection on a port to get a
 CLOSE_WAIT status?

 What can be done to rectify it. When it hits this
 state soon RUNMQSC does
 not accept any input and shortly thereafter the QMGR
 cannot being brought
 down, not even with the '-i' command. After
 restarting the unix qmgr,
 everything is sorted out.

 
 Command failed: chmod a+rw /dev/null
 chmod: /dev/null: Not owner
 
 Press return to continue:
 08:07:00
 all_adm@flash_boot1:/main/nedcor/home/all_adm
 netstat -a| grep 1414
 tcp4   0  0  swift1.1414
 safeprod.it.nedn.3798
 ESTABLISHED
 tcp4   0  0  swift1.1414
 mvsprod.it.nedne.2573
 ESTABLISHED
 tcp4   0  0  *.1414 *.*
   LISTEN
 tcp4   0  0  swift1.32905
 safeprod.it.nedn.1414
 CLOSE_WAIT

 Thank you
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 MQ Support
 Nedcor Limited
 Tel: (011) 881 4410
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Re: Strange Behaviour QMGR

2003-01-31 Thread Robert Broderick
If runmqsc is starting to exhibit prolems I would look into the LOG file
system. When MQ isn't given enough room to work it starts acting wierd.
BUTyou should have received message indicating MQ was killing processes
because of LOG space problems. ALSO is there another application excercising
the box a little too much??
  bb







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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:36:00 +0200

Please help, any input will be appreciated.

Strange new problem on unix(AIX) qmgr  connected to os390 and NT qmgr's.
Happened on 30 December and 31 January. Unix ver 5.1, mvs and NT ver 5.2

QMGR to QMGR connected through sender and receiver channels - disconnect
interval 0.

The following are noticed between NT and Unix even though the channels on
both sides shows as running and messages are not received. Soon after
this, no RUNMQSC commands can be entered on Unix and eventually the QMGR
needs to be bounced. There are no error logs on Unix.

What causes a connection on a port to get a CLOSE_WAIT status?

What can be done to rectify it. When it hits this state soon RUNMQSC does
not accept any input and shortly thereafter the QMGR cannot being brought
down, not even with the '-i' command. After  restarting the unix qmgr,
everything is sorted out.


Command failed: chmod a+rw /dev/null
chmod: /dev/null: Not owner

Press return to continue:
08:07:00 all_adm@flash_boot1:/main/nedcor/home/all_adm
netstat -a| grep 1414
tcp4   0  0  swift1.1414safeprod.it.nedn.3798
ESTABLISHED
tcp4   0  0  swift1.1414mvsprod.it.nedne.2573
ESTABLISHED
tcp4   0  0  *.1414 *.*LISTEN
tcp4   0  0  swift1.32905   safeprod.it.nedn.1414
CLOSE_WAIT

Thank you
Pieter Voges
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Nedcor Limited
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2102 with server bindings

2003-01-31 Thread Jim Wendorf
 After upgrading an Aix server to
 v5.3 of Mqseries we are having
 problems
 with server bindings connecting to
 one of our qmanagers. The client
 connections are working okay.

 The error that we see when running
 amqsput is a 2102 - Resource
 Problem.

 Any ideas of what we might cause
 this?

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Re: Volume testing of CICS requests

2003-01-31 Thread Lockhart, Rebecca
Compuware's QACenter for WebSphere MQ will simulate simultaneous volumes of
MQ roundtrips that start and end in CICS.  It will actually simulate any
part of an MQ application that accesses a mainframe queue manager.   It
creates automation scripts from existing MQ activity, or you can construct
your own.  You can add conditional logic or populate scripts with data from
a file full of requests.




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From: Peter Heggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: January 30, 2003 3:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Volume testing of CICS requests


How do people simulate/perform volume testing of MQ roundtrips that start
and end in CICS? Messages go to Windows and back. We want to simulate CICS
transactions that send one message at a time, so each iteration would do an
MQPUT1.

Is there a way, without having 100 people sitting at 100 CICS terminals and
hitting enter at the same time, of simulating a load on the system?

I'm writing a batch program to loop through a file full of requests, but
still that is only sending messages one at a time.. I can't run more than
two or three batch jobs at a time..

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VB samples - descriptions?

2003-01-31 Thread Beinert, William
I have a new (to MQ) developer who wants to write a server app in VB.
I pointed him to the samples on the CD, and he asked if there were discriptions of the 
samples.
All the other samples are described in the App Programming Guide, but no mention is 
made of the VB samples, and a Web search turned up nothing.

Anybody have any ideas?

Bill Beinert
Systems Programming
Con Edison
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Re: Volume testing of CICS requests

2003-01-31 Thread Peter Heggie
Thats either close to or just what I need.. unfortunately I can't justify
the cost for this application.. I'll start with a batch volume test and
then move to an online volume test using custom programs.

Thanks though!





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  01:56 PM

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Compuware's QACenter for WebSphere MQ will simulate simultaneous volumes of
MQ roundtrips that start and end in CICS.  It will actually simulate any
part of an MQ application that accesses a mainframe queue manager.   It
creates automation scripts from existing MQ activity, or you can construct
your own.  You can add conditional logic or populate scripts with data from
a file full of requests.

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Deleting queue manager

2003-01-31 Thread Gorbunov, Igor {PBSG}
Hello,

Could someone please advise me on how to remove a queue manager, which has a
name starting with / (like /qm123) in Unix environment?

I tried
   dltmqm /qm123
and
   dltmqm '/qm123'
but it doesn't work.

Thanks in advance,
Igor

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