Re: messages out of order
If message sequence is absolutely critical then we are not really talking about messages are we... we are talking about records .. in a file. So why not just file transfer the stuff. Easy. We've been doing it for years and we never get records out of sequence. And if MQ's assured delivery is important then there are file transfer products around that use MQ as the transport protocol. Take a look at CommerceQuest's Data Integrator for example. mqm --- Robert Broderick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See that's what I like about management. They complain about paying too much for their technical people. Are constantly trying to hire cheap labor and when they are slapped in the face with facts they completely ignore anybody around them with a clue as to what is going on and make a decision in a vacuum!!! Wonderful. I guess IBM should hire your managers to set policy from now on because THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT!! hahahahahaha bobbee PS All hands abandon ship From: Glen Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of order Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:15:15 -0600 sounds like the pointy hair boss, clueless decisions based on the premise of: thats the way we've always done it. Glen Larson Zurich North America Anderson, Lizette T. (RyTull) [EMAIL PROTECTED] @AKH-Wien.AC.AT on 02/14/2003 01:41:44 PM Please respond to MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: messages out of order Great idea, but management agrees with using the DLQ. Happy trails Bobbee. -Original Message- From: Stefan Sievert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of order I agree with all that was said about why it's a bad idea to use the DLQ from within ANY applciation. As a systems administrator I wouldn't even argue with any developer about that, but instead revoke access to the DLQ from any userID other than the started task or mqm user. Filling up the dead letter queue may impact ALL other applciations that receive messages from remote locations through the same channel. They will come after the admin first if anything goes south... There really is NO reasonable argument to use it for anything else but what it's meant to be used for, that's my 2 cents. Happy Valentine's to everybody and a great holiday weekend! Stefan From: Miller, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of order Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:52:07 -0800 Until the dead letter queue fills, in which case, your programmers should have their resumes ready. There's an irresistble urge to rely on MQ to deliver messages in sequence. Many try and get away with it for awhile. However, the restrictions are so broad that sooner or later one of them will be violated and you will be chasing your tail trying to figure out what went wrong with an application that has been working for years. On the other hand, there are several ways to definitively assure sequential order and they are not difficult. IMHO, learn to do it right! So, my advice is: Use message grouping or message identification techniques to control sequential retrieval. BTW, can't you defeat your programmers argument by making the local queue as big as the DLQ? -Original Message- From: Anderson, Lizette T. (RyTull) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of order Funny. I made another attempt to have the programmers change it to go to a local queue instead of the dead letter queue. The reason they use the dead letter queue is because they use FIFO. If they send it to a local queue and it fills, they will not be able to retrieve the messages in order since some would be on the dead letter queue. Therefore, they decided to retrieve all the messages from the dead letter queue. How is everyone else handling this? Original Message- From: Robert Broderick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of order As a funny note. I was viewing this message through HOTMAIL. With ad's at the top browser window. As I was reading it an ad for MIB II came up. Talk about black suites and dark glasses!! From: Anderson, Lizette T. (RyTull) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: messages out of
Re: CICS Adapter Userid Question
Thanks for all the information. You guys have headed me in the right direction, so I know what to do. Gary === Gary Klos Online Systems - PSC United States Steel Corporation 412-433-1225 Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: XML blob as MQ Message
Title: Message If you intend to include the binary data within the XML structure I don't know how an XML parser would behave. Iwould convert the binary data to base64 and include it as ordinary text, then configure the application at the remote end to convert it from base64 back to binary. Timm -Original Message-From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chan, JohnSent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:13 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: XML blob as MQ Message Hey guys, Back ground information: 1. I have a few chucks of binary data. 2. I need to put them as part of the XML message. 3. This XML message is to be sent as MQ message. Now here are my questions, 1. What is the fastest and easiest way to move these binary data to XML and send as MQ Message ? 2. For speed and feed, should I just tag these binary data on the tail end of the MQ Message ? Any feed back is appreciated. JohnC
Re: XML blob as MQ Message
Title: Message Thank you, Timm Actually, these are key frame from video clips. Have you deal with these stuffs before ? John C -Original Message-From: Timm Bryant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message If you intend to include the binary data within the XML structure I don't know how an XML parser would behave. Iwould convert the binary data to base64 and include it as ordinary text, then configure the application at the remote end to convert it from base64 back to binary. Timm -Original Message-From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chan, JohnSent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:13 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: XML blob as MQ Message Hey guys, Back ground information: 1. I have a few chucks of binary data. 2. I need to put them as part of the XML message. 3. This XML message is to be sent as MQ message. Now here are my questions, 1. What is the fastest and easiest way to move these binary data to XML and send as MQ Message ? 2. For speed and feed, should I just tag these binary data on the tail end of the MQ Message ? Any feed back is appreciated. JohnC
Re: XML blob as MQ Message
Title: Message Not that format specifically, however I have dealt with JPEG images. I believe that this is really the same issue. I used a Java plug-in node in WMQI to invoke a java class that converted to/from base64. Once in base64 format it is simplya string of text data that can safely be imbedded in an XML message. -Original Message-From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan, JohnSent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message Thank you, Timm Actually, these are key frame from video clips. Have you deal with these stuffs before ? John C -Original Message-From: Timm Bryant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message If you intend to include the binary data within the XML structure I don't know how an XML parser would behave. Iwould convert the binary data to base64 and include it as ordinary text, then configure the application at the remote end to convert it from base64 back to binary. Timm -Original Message-From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan, JohnSent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:13 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: XML blob as MQ Message Hey guys, Back ground information: 1. I have a few chucks of binary data. 2. I need to put them as part of the XML message. 3. This XML message is to be sent as MQ message. Now here are my questions, 1. What is the fastest and easiest way to move these binary data to XML and send as MQ Message ? 2. For speed and feed, should I just tag these binary data on the tail end of the MQ Message ? Any feed back is appreciated. JohnC
Re: XML blob as MQ Message
The only thing I want to add is: size. base64 is good. However, it will generate text 1/3 larger than the original binary. There are other scheme to make it compacted. If you want to get into more, pls send me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Jerry Timm Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: MQSeriescc: List Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message [EMAIL PROTECTED] N.AC.AT 02/21/03 02:02 PM Please respond to MQSeries List Not that format specifically, however I have dealt with JPEG images. I believe that this is really the same issue. I used a Java plug-in node in WMQI to invoke a java class that converted to/from base64. Once in base64 format it is simply a string of text data that can safely be imbedded in an XML message. -Original Message- From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan, John Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message Thank you, Timm Actually, these are key frame from video clips. Have you deal with these stuffs before ? John C -Original Message- From: Timm Bryant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: XML blob as MQ Message If you intend to include the binary data within the XML structure I don't know how an XML parser would behave. I would convert the binary data to base64 and include it as ordinary text, then configure the application at the remote end to convert it from base64 back to binary. Timm -Original Message- From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan, John Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XML blob as MQ Message Hey guys, Back ground information: 1. I have a few chucks of binary data. 2. I need to put them as part of the XML message. 3. This XML message is to be sent as MQ message. Now here are my questions, 1. What is the fastest and easiest way to move these binary data to XML and send as MQ Message ? 2. For speed and feed, should I just tag these binary data on the tail end of the MQ Message ? Any feed back is appreciated. JohnC Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: S/390 MQS V2.1 to V5.3
New headers Version 2 in OS/390. Get with message-Id and Correl-ID full functionality in OS/390. QManager DB2 dependant. All existing apps supous to run ok. (QManager 5.2 accepts headers from previos versions). May be is good to check versions compatibility of DB2 and CICS/ESA or TS, version of COBOL/COPYS, actual triggers, channel inventory. We going on the same path at May. Good Luck. --- Roberto Oscar Sánchez - Arquitecto de Sistemas Centrales Banco Galicia - Gerencia de Sistemas - Arquitectura Corporativa Peron 525 - Piso 8 - C1038AAK - 54-11-6329-5349 Buenos Aires - Argentina - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Criscione, Carol (DIS) Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Enviado por: Asunto: S/390 MQS V2.1 to V5.3 MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] AC.AT 20/02/2003 19:21 Por favor, responda a MQSeries List We are currently running MQS V2.1 on a S/390 using z/OS V1.2 (soon to be V1.4). I plan to go from MQS V2.1 to Websphere MQ V5.3. Anyone have any experiences doing that? Am interested in ideas about the best way to complete the task. Thank you. Carol Criscione CICS/MQSeries Technical Support State of Washington, DIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
AW: S/390 MQS V2.1 to V5.3
Carol, we done it 3 months ago without any problem. Regards Roland -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Criscione, Carol (DIS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2003 23:21 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: S/390 MQS V2.1 to V5.3 We are currently running MQS V2.1 on a S/390 using z/OS V1.2 (soon to be V1.4). I plan to go from MQS V2.1 to Websphere MQ V5.3. Anyone have any experiences doing that? Am interested in ideas about the best way to complete the task. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: XML blob as MQ Message
In addition to what was already said: If you traverse unlike platforms (ie. from UNIX to Mainframe) and need character set conversion you will have no other option than to convert the binary content into a character representation. Otherwise either your XML tags will not be converted or your binary content will not be the same after MQ tried to convert it. Putting it at the tail end of a message won't help here since MQ converts all or nothing if you don't want to write your own data conversion exit (and I think you don't want that ;-)...). Have you thought about putting the binary content and the XML in separate messages and just reference the binary message from within the XML? It might be a bit more programming, but if message size and performance are an issue that might be an alternative worth thinking about. You could put the binary message first and put the messageId returned by MQ into your XML message. The receiving end would get the XML message first and then do a qualified MQGET on the binary message queue using the messageID from the XML. You will probably have to base64 encode the messageID, too, but that's only 24 Bytes instead of how many? Maybe it doesn't fit your application model, but I thought I spit it out anyways. Have a great weekend, Stefan From: Chan, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XML blob as MQ Message Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:12:33 -0500 Hey guys, Back ground information: 1. I have a few chucks of binary data. 2. I need to put them as part of the XML message. 3. This XML message is to be sent as MQ message. Now here are my questions, 1. What is the fastest and easiest way to move these binary data to XML and send as MQ Message ? 2. For speed and feed, should I just tag these binary data on the tail end of the MQ Message ? Any feed back is appreciated. JohnC _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Belinda Edwards/Bethesda/IBM is out of the office.
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