Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3
same old story till 5.2 ... check you have stopped IBM MQSeries Service before applying CSD. it seems there is a timer problem between the CSD install progarmm, who try to stop all MQ tasks, and the MQ tasks who stops less rapidly than IBM expect ! alternatively, you can try to install the CSD again after a first try, as the MQ tasks will get time to stop. may be it need a CSD on the CSD setup program ??? ;-) HTH, Luc-Michel. Date sent: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:23 +0100 Send reply to: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sony Varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FW: MQ software evolution - fill in the gaps?Hi, I'm getting a strange error while trying to apply CSD04 for MQ v5.3 on Windows 2k I've stopped all MQSeries services. No amq* process in the task manager When I start CSD04 installation, I still get the message MQSeries files in use Anyone encountered this before?? Thanks sony Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive -- Luc-Michel Demey - Freelance EAI Consultant Paris / France Tel. : +33 6 08 755 655 http://consulting.demey.org/ - lmd at demey dot org Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
AW: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3
At www.sysinternals.com there is a tool called 'Handle v2.01' - helping to find out what has a grip on that file. If that doesn't do the trick you can set (temporarily) the MQ services (all!) to 'Disabled', reboot the machine, install the CSD and put the services back on 'Automatic'. Enrico -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Luc-Michel Demey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2003 15:14 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 same old story till 5.2 ... check you have stopped IBM MQSeries Service before applying CSD. it seems there is a timer problem between the CSD install progarmm, who try to stop all MQ tasks, and the MQ tasks who stops less rapidly than IBM expect ! alternatively, you can try to install the CSD again after a first try, as the MQ tasks will get time to stop. may be it need a CSD on the CSD setup program ??? ;-) HTH, Luc-Michel. Date sent: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:23 +0100 Send reply to: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sony Varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FW: MQ software evolution - fill in the gaps?Hi, I'm getting a strange error while trying to apply CSD04 for MQ v5.3 on Windows 2k I've stopped all MQSeries services. No amq* process in the task manager When I start CSD04 installation, I still get the message MQSeries files in use Anyone encountered this before?? Thanks sony Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive -- Luc-Michel Demey - Freelance EAI Consultant Paris / France Tel. : +33 6 08 755 655 http://consulting.demey.org/ - lmd at demey dot org Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3
If you have the luxury of rebooting, turn off IBM Websphere MQ services in the Services console, set it to Manual, then reboot. MQ will not be running and any performance tools will not be monitoring MQ executables. Peter Heggie (315) 428 - 3193 -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 Make sure you have no runmq* or amq* processes running in Task Manager. Make sure there are no MQ monitoring tools still running, like Tivoli or QPASA. Make sure Norton Antivirus is off. Make sure the MQServices Icon in the taskbar tray in the lower right hand corner is no longer there. Sometimes you have to even roll your mouse over it to make it disappear after you killed the service! Give all this a couple of minutes to give Windows a chance to clean up internally. I have found other products that lock MQ files as well, like performance tools and Compaq Version Control. The easiest way to find out is to download the following: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/listdlls.shtml Here are the instructions I wrote up for myself on how to use this little gem: 1.Put the listdlls.exe into a folder on the server, like maybe E:\Programs\IBM\MQSeries\MQSupportTools. 2.CD into that directory from the dos prompt. 3.Run the executable, and pipe the output into a text file. Here is a sample of what you would type assuming you placed the executable file as in step 1: E:\Programs\IBM\MQSeries\MQSupportTools\listdlls.exe DLLOutput.txt 4.Open DLLOutput.txt and do a search on MQ. Scroll up to see what .exe is using this MQ dll. 5.Stop the application that is using the MQ dll and you should be all set. If you do not recognize what this .exe is, use Process Explorer (procexp.exe). http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml You can find the exe in there, and it will tell you what app it is. And make sure you don't do the following, which I wasted an hour on last night when I did it! Create a folder ../WebSphere MQ/CSD04 Put the CSD04 .exe file in this folder. When it asks you where to extract the install files, you pick the same folder. When it asks you where to install CSD04, you pick the same folder. If you do this, you will get the MQ in use error! Some sort of loop I guess. Download, extract and install into 3 different folders. -Original Message- From: Sony Varghese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 FW: MQ software evolution - fill in the gaps?Hi, I'm getting a strange error while trying to apply CSD04 for MQ v5.3 on Windows 2k I've stopped all MQSeries services. No amq* process in the task manager When I start CSD04 installation, I still get the message MQSeries files in use Anyone encountered this before?? Thanks sony Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, are confidential to National Grid and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the National Grid USA Enterprise Support Center on 508-389-3375 or 315-428-6360. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3
One would think that MQ Series would have figured out how to make this function properly after so many years of having the SAME problem. The issue arises because certain of the MQ Series dll's interact with the operating system performance hooks, and products such as Tivoli, Netfinity, Antivirus software and others invoke code in several of MQ Series' dlls, most notably AMQXCS2.DLL. One of the earlier CSD readme's dealt with this issue and there is some sort of document on IBM's databases documenting this problem on earlier releases of MQ Series (5.1?) . I don't think IBM has done a good job of continuing to communicate the issue as product releases and CSD's moved forward. Indeed there's some inconsistencies in the installation processes because some of the older CSD's actually shut MQ Series down for you when they began. Most of the CSD's I've installed recently fail to attempt to shut MQ Series down. Further, they're prone to go off and do an awful lot of work and then spit out a rather nebulous message (as shown below) in response to a problem that they've known about for years. At the very least, you'd think they could tell you WHAT DLL was in use, even if they can't tell by whom. Then deal with the issue in the readme or other CSD or release documentation. The methods I've used to mitigate this problem are: - when we were running older Netfinity Monitoring software, I would always STOP the Netfinity monitoring service in the Services applet from the control panel. This would usually resolve the problem with this type of configuration. - as I recall, there were two DLLs that were offenders in this realm. One was AMQXCS2.DLL,and I forget the name of the other. If stopping the Netinity monitoring service didn't resolve the problem, I would rename the offending dll. Note that the only way you can rename one of these things that is in use is by the use of the 'ren' command from a command prompt. All the other windows utilities and the 'del' command interface with the operating system and know when a file is in use and won't let you delete or rename it. The 'ren' command evidently does not check to see if the file is in use before renaming it. Once it's been renamed (to something like amqxcs2.dll.old), the install usually works. I've discussed this issue many times with various members of the MQSeries support staff. If this issue is raised by more people, and perhaps in larger forums like SHARE or GUIDE, maybe they'll catch on and address this issue in a better manner. |-+-- | | Potkay, Peter M | | | (PLC, IT) | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | RTFORD.COM| | | Sent by: MQSeries | | | List | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | AC.AT | | | | | | | | | 07/30/2003 09:14 AM| | | Please respond to | | | MQSeries List | | | | |-+-- --| | | |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |cc: | |Subject: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 | --| Make sure you have no runmq* or amq* processes running in Task Manager. Make sure there are no MQ monitoring tools still running, like Tivoli or QPASA. Make sure Norton Antivirus is off. Make sure the MQServices Icon in the taskbar tray in the lower right hand corner is no longer there. Sometimes you have to even roll your mouse over it to make it disappear after you killed the service! Give all this a couple of minutes to give Windows a chance to clean up internally. I have found other products that lock MQ files as well, like performance tools and Compaq Version Control. The easiest way to find out is to download the following: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/listdlls.shtml Here are the instructions I wrote up for myself on how to use this little gem: 1.Put the listdlls.exe into a folder on the server, like maybe E:\Programs\IBM\MQSeries\MQSupportTools. 2.CD into that directory from the dos prompt. 3.Run the executable, and pipe the output into a text file. Here is a sample of what you
Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3
WBEM allows programatical interaction with the Win OS ... it is a way of running WIN commands from somewhere external to that server.(i.e adding a windows domain user from another User Management tool). WBEM includes a data model, the Common Information Model (CIM) standard; an encoding specification, and a transport mechanism (CIM operates over HTTP). The dll's are not required if you are not allowing this interaction. BTW - The most common reason for a CSD update to fail on a windows box is the MQexplorer running (as Peter P says: amq*)since it can run even if Websphere-MQ is shutdown. regards, peter d. -Original Message- From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sony Varghese Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 Peter, Thanks a lot .. Followed your instructions and voila !! WBEM (windows management service) was using 3 dlls .. dont know for what reason ... stopped it and the installation went through Regards Sony -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 14:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 Make sure you have no runmq* or amq* processes running in Task Manager. Make sure there are no MQ monitoring tools still running, like Tivoli or QPASA. Make sure Norton Antivirus is off. Make sure the MQServices Icon in the taskbar tray in the lower right hand corner is no longer there. Sometimes you have to even roll your mouse over it to make it disappear after you killed the service! Give all this a couple of minutes to give Windows a chance to clean up internally. I have found other products that lock MQ files as well, like performance tools and Compaq Version Control. The easiest way to find out is to download the following: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/listdlls.shtml Here are the instructions I wrote up for myself on how to use this little gem: 1.Put the listdlls.exe into a folder on the server, like maybe E:\Programs\IBM\MQSeries\MQSupportTools. 2.CD into that directory from the dos prompt. 3.Run the executable, and pipe the output into a text file. Here is a sample of what you would type assuming you placed the executable file as in step 1: E:\Programs\IBM\MQSeries\MQSupportTools\listdlls.exe DLLOutput.txt 4.Open DLLOutput.txt and do a search on MQ. Scroll up to see what .exe is using this MQ dll. 5.Stop the application that is using the MQ dll and you should be all set. If you do not recognize what this .exe is, use Process Explorer (procexp.exe). http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml You can find the exe in there, and it will tell you what app it is. And make sure you don't do the following, which I wasted an hour on last night when I did it! Create a folder ../WebSphere MQ/CSD04 Put the CSD04 .exe file in this folder. When it asks you where to extract the install files, you pick the same folder. When it asks you where to install CSD04, you pick the same folder. If you do this, you will get the MQ in use error! Some sort of loop I guess. Download, extract and install into 3 different folders. -Original Message- From: Sony Varghese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Applying CSD04 for MQ v5.3 FW: MQ software evolution - fill in the gaps?Hi, I'm getting a strange error while trying to apply CSD04 for MQ v5.3 on Windows 2k I've stopped all MQSeries services. No amq* process in the task manager When I start CSD04 installation, I still get the message MQSeries files in use Anyone encountered this before?? Thanks sony Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
