Re: Famous MSX war starting up again? was :Re MSX PALYer news
Maybe calling it a 'war' was a bit harsh, but the discussion is not always very polite. In the past websites died due to (unfair / bad?) criticism, people left the msx scene etc. There were some unfair remarks on Fmsx an Marat. None of the available emulators is perfect (not even all the original msx machines! - too litle ram, ram in wrong slots, wrong resistors etc..). I merely call for a discussion thatdoes not insult. JP On 22 Mar 2002 16:19:41 +0100, in local.msx.int you wrote: >Two things on the "MSX war" > >1. > >I thought we were just having a good discussion here (long time ago we had >one) >Just because we don't always agree on all fronts, doesn't mean we are >fighting >with each other. Let alone that there is something like a MSX-WAR. > >2. > >Marat is indeed not reading this, but it is his choice not to be part of the >MSX >Mailinglist. I think Nishi, Goto, Yokoi and Ikeda aren't reading this either >;) > >Greetings, > >Sander > >http://www.msx.org >http://www.benjaminb.nl >- Original Message - >From: "Takamichi Suzukawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 16:03 >Subject: Re: Famous MSX war starting up again? was :Re MSX PALYer news > > >> Marat is obviously not reading this. May I say it's unfair to debate where >> he is not looking at? >> >> Takamichi >> >> -- >> For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html >> -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Ikeda MSX Print: More news on MSX Player
David Heremans wrote: > Is there a MSX emulator avialable that is GPL'ed and isn't in any way > derived from Marat's base ? Sure, BrMSX. However BrMSX is 100% x86 assembly and not very portable to other platforms. Ricardo Bittencourt http://www.mundobizarro.tk [EMAIL PROTECTED]"Vitrum edere possum, mihi non nocet" -- Uniao contra o forward - crie suas proprias piadas -- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Ikeda MSX Print: More news on MSX Player
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 01:24:07AM +0100, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: > On Thursday 21 March 2002 23:58, you wrote: > > I don't like the way they take advantage of the huge effort Marat put into > fMSX and also the contributions made by Alex Wulms, myself and several > others, without giving proper credit. I don't want cash, I don't even care > much if my name isn't mentioned, but someone else taking credit for work I > did makes me furious. > I heard rumours about a new kind of MSX emulator being developed under the GPL by some MSX-lovers. I suppose something like that can't happen in such GPL'ed case. > > Price of MSX Player. Windows version is free price. And Yokoi wants OPEN > > SOUCE CODE LICENSE like GNU. But some program code writters donot like > > it. They wants protect their program technology from other people. > > He cannot license the code under GPL without permission from Marat. You > cannot give away something you don't own. Is there a MSX emulator avialable that is GPL'ed and isn't in any way derived from Marat's base ? > That is good news, but not a surprise really. In fact, Yamaha realised that > it is allowed to create a piece of software that is compatible with a piece > of hardware, when that software is written based on publicly available > information and/or reverse engineering. But in the USA reverse engineering has became illegal due to the DMCA, right? David Anybody knows some real good MSX emulators under Linux ? One that preferably supports the so called 'moonblaster stereo' ? -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Eric Boon released a new version of Linux HTC compiler. It's available at UZIX page: http://uzix.sf.net. PS.: It can also be used to compile MSXDOS programs. O Eric Boon soltou uma nova versao do compilador HTC pra Linux. Ele esta' disponivel na pagina do UZIX: http://uzix.sf.net. PS.: Ele tambem pose ser usado para compilar programas para MSXDOS. Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Diretor Executivo - A&L Software http://www.alsoftware.com.br http://www.alsoftware.com.br/adrianpage -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Hi, I got few games for sale again: Condition table: manual/box/cart Konami Monkey Academy 100%/95%/100% 40e Konami Monkey Academy 0% /70%/90%15e Konami Athletic Land 90% /80%/95%30e SonyAlibaba And 40 Thieves 90% /85%/90%40e SonyCrazy Train 85% /85%/90%40e Also I have complete SD Snatcher for sale, condition 95-100% for every part. If you're interested in it, please make an offer. Also, now only 1 brand new SVI-2000 Robot Arm left, price 35e + shipping costs. Prices doesn't include shipping costs. Greetings: Saku Taipale, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Famous MSX war starting up again? was :Re MSX PALYer news
Two things on the "MSX war" 1. I thought we were just having a good discussion here (long time ago we had one) Just because we don't always agree on all fronts, doesn't mean we are fighting with each other. Let alone that there is something like a MSX-WAR. 2. Marat is indeed not reading this, but it is his choice not to be part of the MSX Mailinglist. I think Nishi, Goto, Yokoi and Ikeda aren't reading this either ;) Greetings, Sander http://www.msx.org http://www.benjaminb.nl - Original Message - From: "Takamichi Suzukawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 16:03 Subject: Re: Famous MSX war starting up again? was :Re MSX PALYer news > Marat is obviously not reading this. May I say it's unfair to debate where > he is not looking at? > > Takamichi > > -- > For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html > -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Famous MSX war starting up again? was :Re MSX PALYer news
Marat is obviously not reading this. May I say it's unfair to debate where he is not looking at? Takamichi -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX PLAYer news
Javi Lavandeira wrote: >MSX-DOS2 is owned by the company who wrote it: Madge Corporation >(www.madge.co.uk), and ASCII only had (has?) distribution rights. They >don't even have the source code. And the BIOS is still owned by Microsoft. Didn't I say "once they got the rights"? Please read before writing! Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX PLAYer news
Hello, On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:56:34 +0100 Patriek Lesparre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does > >acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will > >he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS > >being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain > >to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. > > Nishi said every emulator could use the MSX BIOS copyright free once they > got the rights. Also it was stated MSX-DOS2 would become open-source. > > I have no reason to doubt those statements. Do you? I do. I had a meeting at ASCII with Ryozo Yamashita in August, and one of the many things we were talking about was MSX-DOS(2) copyrights and source code. He told me that MSX-DOS2 is owned by the company who wrote it: Madge Corporation (www.madge.co.uk), and ASCII only had (has?) distribution rights. They don't even have the source code. And the BIOS is still owned by Microsoft. Regards, -- Javi Lavandeira ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.ag0ny.com -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX PLAYer news
>But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does >acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will >he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS >being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain >to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. Nishi said every emulator could use the MSX BIOS copyright free once they got the rights. Also it was stated MSX-DOS2 would become open-source. I have no reason to doubt those statements. Do you? Personally I think it's great stuff is finally happening. I know many people joined the pessimists when Nishi left ASCII, but this move turned out for the best. It also shows the dedication with which Nishi is pursuing the MSX revival. And even though the MSX Player probably won't be the best emulator, let's support it. Who knows, maybe we will see a new MSX! Let's be more positive, people! Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX PLAYer news
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:08:20AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I agree with Adriano. I'm disappointed too with ASCII. If that's what they > think about making new MSX, i'm out. if they don't want to write their own > (and a good one, as ricardo bittencourt did) emulator, they could have used > at least MESS, since it's gpl and soon will be much better than Marat's > FMSX. MESS is not GPL; the license is also incompatible, since it does not allow the program to be sold. Although I think messdev would vote for GPL, much of the source code is from MAME. Nicola Salmoria (the maintainer of MAME) does not like the GPL so it is not likely to happen soon. :-( But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. Sean -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: MSX PLAYer news
> I think it will be a better choice wait for Ademir's CIEL 3++, > since it will > be a much better new MSX than anything ASCII is planning for us. ASCII isn't planning anything anymore for us... It's all in the hands of the MSX Association now. Greets, Bart. -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX PLAYer news
Em 21 Mar 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: >Alex, > >> It is indeed a very well known fact that MSX Player is a fMSX port on >Intent. >> Though, I have heard from a reliable source that a lot of effort has gone >> into debugging and improving MSX Player since the beta release of last >> september. > > Good! That beta release was really a pain... Well, let's wait a >little and, until MSX-PLAYer come to our hands, lets buy a Pentium 4 >2.2GHz to run softwares in the emulator at the same speed as in our real >MSXs. :) I agree with Adriano. I'm disappointed too with ASCII. If that's what they think about making new MSX, i'm out. if they don't want to write their own (and a good one, as ricardo bittencourt did) emulator, they could have used at least MESS, since it's gpl and soon will be much better than Marat's FMSX. I think it will be a better choice wait for Ademir's CIEL 3++, since it will be a much better new MSX than anything ASCII is planning for us. []s Mauricio Braga. _ Oi! Você quer um iG-mail gratuito? Então clique aqui: http://registro.ig.com.br/censo/igmail -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
