[MSX] Is there any emulators with two-player support over internet?
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Re: Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:49:30PM +0200, Joost Yervante Damad wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:53:30PM +0200, JP Grobler wrote: > > Would some one ry to compile openmsx with cygwin? > > Someone is trying this. Patience. Well, nobody is withholding JP from trying himself. If he succeeds : GREAT. If not, bugreports are always welcommed :-) David -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:53:30PM +0200, JP Grobler wrote: > Would some one ry to compile openmsx with cygwin? Someone is trying this. Patience. Joost -- pub 1024D/EE97FFCB 2001-12-10 Joost Yervante Damad (Work) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = 1AF3 11FD 6139 C5DB 6651 A59A 2743 D9E4 EE97 FFCB -- Fascinating is a word I use for the unexpected. -- Spock, "The Squire of Gothos", stardate 2124.5 -- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
Would some one ry to compile openmsx with cygwin? JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 11:53:24AM +0200, JP Grobler wrote: > Hi > > Would fmsx / openmsx etc compile for windows if the cygwin linux library is > used? For openmsx it should. It requires some knowledge both of the linux world [represented by cygwin] and the windows world, but it should be fairly simple. Joost. -- pub 1024D/EE97FFCB 2001-12-10 Joost Yervante Damad (Work) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = 1AF3 11FD 6139 C5DB 6651 A59A 2743 D9E4 EE97 FFCB -- Fascinating is a word I use for the unexpected. -- Spock, "The Squire of Gothos", stardate 2124.5 -- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
I think the both of them should compile. But remember fmsx is not free as in speech. There is a windows version which is not even free as in beer. So you really should read the license before you try. For openMSX it is no problem, since it is GPL'd. Bye, shevek On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 11:53:24AM +0200, JP Grobler wrote: > Hi > > Would fmsx / openmsx etc compile for windows if the cygwin linux library is > used? > > JP > -- > For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Cygwin & msx Linux emulators
Hi Would fmsx / openmsx etc compile for windows if the cygwin linux library is used? JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Z80 test for emulators ??
David Heremans wrote: > > - - Near perfect Z80 emulation. BRMSX is the first (and only) MSX > emulator to pass in all ZEXALL tests. BRMSX has perfect emulation > of the flags registers, including undocumented flags. These days, this is not true anymore. I believe MESS and MSKISS also pass in all ZEX tests. fMSX-based emulators do not pass in the tests, since the Z80 core of fMSX does not emulate undocumented flags. > Could somebody tell me wath is so special about this test-program > Wat extra's does it have in comparison to other z80 validators ? Well, it's very hard to get it working :) The algorithm is a CRC on almost all Z80 opcodes, for a lot (and I mean A LOT) of random-generated input data. It takes many minutes to run it entirely (IIRC, some hours on a standard Z80 @ 3.57 MHz). > And were can I download it ? It's inside the YAZE package: ftp://ftp.ping.de/pub/misc/emulators/yaze-1.10.tar.gz Ricardo Bittencourt -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Z80 test for emulators ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is an extract from the brmsx emulator site: BrMSX has many features never seen in MSX emulation: - - Near perfect Z80 emulation. BRMSX is the first (and only) MSX emulator to pass in all ZEXALL tests. BRMSX has perfect emulation of the flags registers, including undocumented flags. Could somebody tell me wath is so special about this test-program Wat extra's does it have in comparison to other z80 validators ? And were can I download it ? David - -- If it weren't for Emulation, we'd have no reason to lack a life -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XrSbY1Ruj4IFD1oRAsYBAKCCiMHVP49xCSqpL4pZeTXni1iB1wCbBbyk mL7AwN9Sm8w2dk0awQIMlxs= =v5Hx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
Jose Angel Morente wrote: > > Hello! > > > Zanac or Zanac-ex? > > Zanac-EX displays fine on fmsx-dos in a dos bos with -msx2 option,maybe > > you have a corrup ROM or something... greetx, > > Zanac, not Zanac-ex! > I'm sure my copy is not corrupted since it was dumped from the original > cartridge. > > Furthermore, it works OK with MSX1 emulation, and also it works fine > when loading it with LOADROM on my MSXTurboR :) > > Greetings, OK! Greetings... -- Jorge Vidal Wulff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #: 14288604 Licenciatura en ciencia de la computación. Depto. de Matemática y ciencia de la Computación. Universidad de Santiago de Chile - USACH. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
> > Does anybody know why does Zanac show corrupted graphics on main title > > if it is run on BrMSX or fMSX with the -msx2 option? > > This is a bug in the emulation of the interrupt handler. > > BrMSX has two different interrupt pipelines for MSX-1 and > MSX-2. In the MSX-1 mode this bug was alrady fixed, so if you want > to play Zanac without bugs, just use "brmsx zanac.rom" and forget > about the -msx2. I'm still working on the MSX-2 mode, so do not expect the > same level of quality in MSX-2 as you have in MSX-1. I see. By the way, I noted that MSX1 emulation is really fast! MSX2 emulation is very slow on my 486 DX4/100, but it's not problem because I use BrMSX as debugging tool mainly. To play I prefer my MSXTurboR (^_^) > As a rule of thumb, always run MSX-1 games in MSX-1 mode on BrMSX. Ok, so I will do. Thank you for your help. Greetings, Jose Angel Morente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *MSX DREAMS* ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit MSX Warau Home Page http://msxjam.web.com msxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsx MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
Hello! > Zanac or Zanac-ex? > Zanac-EX displays fine on fmsx-dos in a dos bos with -msx2 option,maybe > you have a corrup ROM or something... greetx, Zanac, not Zanac-ex! I'm sure my copy is not corrupted since it was dumped from the original cartridge. Furthermore, it works OK with MSX1 emulation, and also it works fine when loading it with LOADROM on my MSXTurboR :) Greetings, Jose Angel Morente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *MSX DREAMS* ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit MSX Warau Home Page http://msxjam.web.com msxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsx MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
-- >> Does anybody know why does Zanac show corrupted graphics on main title >> if it is run on BrMSX or fMSX with the -msx2 option? >> Well, my version of Zanac always get the corrupted graphics on main title, even with -msx 1 option..I guess we have a corrupted rom. But this isn't half as bad as the music, because a sound channel plays slower than the other, and the music goes out of sync... See ya! Shatterhand MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jose Angel Morente wrote: > Does anybody know why does Zanac show corrupted graphics on main title > if it is run on BrMSX or fMSX with the -msx2 option? This is a bug in the emulation of the interrupt handler. BrMSX has two different interrupt pipelines for MSX-1 and MSX-2. In the MSX-1 mode this bug was alrady fixed, so if you want to play Zanac without bugs, just use "brmsx zanac.rom" and forget about the -msx2. I'm still working on the MSX-2 mode, so do not expect the same level of quality in MSX-2 as you have in MSX-1. As a rule of thumb, always run MSX-1 games in MSX-1 mode on BrMSX. Ricardo Bittencourt http://www.lsi.usp.br/~ricardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ricardo is subtle, but malicious he is not" -- Uniao contra o forward - crie suas proprias piadas -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
Zanac or Zanac-ex? Zanac-EX displays fine on fmsx-dos in a dos bos with -msx2 option,maybe you have a corrup ROM or something... greetx, Jose Angel Morente wrote: > > Hello, > > Does anybody know why does Zanac show corrupted graphics on main title > if it is run on BrMSX or fMSX with the -msx2 option? > > Greetings, > > Jose Angel Morente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > *MSX DREAMS* ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Visit MSX Warau Home Page > http://msxjam.web.com > msxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsx > > > MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in > the body (not the subject) of the message. > Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More information on MSX can be found in the following places: > The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ > The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx > The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet > -- Jorge Vidal Wulff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #: 14288604 Licenciatura en ciencia de la computación. Depto. de Matemática y ciencia de la Computación. Universidad de Santiago de Chile - USACH. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Zanac on MSX2 Emulators
Hello, Does anybody know why does Zanac show corrupted graphics on main title if it is run on BrMSX or fMSX with the -msx2 option? Greetings, Jose Angel Morente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *MSX DREAMS* ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit MSX Warau Home Page http://msxjam.web.com msxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsxmsx MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Space Manbow in emulators (was: Barunba game)
Maarten ter Huurne wrote: > > FMSX-DOS and BRMSX both run Space Manbow fine, > > when in MSX2 mode. But neither emulator runs > > Space Manbow coherently in MSX2+ mode. > I added some features to fMSX-Unix. When I change one line of code (has to > do with VDP retrace status reporting), it can run Space Manbow perfectly. > The smooth scroll and the border mask both work. Someday I'll try it, too! :) > What is the problem of BrMSX running Space Manbow in MSX2+ mode? Maybe I > encountered the same problem when modifying fMSX-Unix. If so, I can tell > Ricardo some details about it. Well, it's weird: while F1-Spirit 3D Special works right, everything scrolls fine, etc, Space Manbow acts differently: background moves only in 8-pixel shifts, while sprites move normally. I didn't bothered with this because I see no reason to run Space Manbow in MSX2+ mode at all - I was only curious. :) When you use hardware scroll in a real MSX2+, do sprites move horizontally along the background? Or should you move them manually? Maybe it's some issue of SCREEN 4 implementation in BRMSX's MSX2+ mode. Btw, Space Manbow looks GREAT in BRMSX's -res 11 (scanlines)... :) []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.cjb.net/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Yet another mr. nomono fan! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: emulators again
At 17:25 18/08/99 +0200, you wrote: >> be h(n)=n*(n+1)/2 (see Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming, vol.1") > >Wow! COol! THis book is really cool! Especially because Knuth wrote TeX as an >example for this book, and for TeX he wrote Web! This man is f**king brilliant! > But he's damned complicated... TeX seems to be more complicated than a pack of old Egyptian hierogphfys... Thankx Lord there is a group who developed LyX! =))) Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro - ICQ UIN:3635907 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|_Sola Scriptura | http://i.am/rjp -M.Sc. Numerical Modelling (hope so!) |_ Sola Gratia | UFF - Niteroi - RJ - Brazil - [EMAIL PROTECTED]_| Sola Fide | MSX, ST, B5, X-F, Anime, Christian, Maths, CuD, Linux!_| Solo Cristi | Christian, Rock, Comics, Transformers, and hate M$! | Soli Deo Gloria | MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: emulators again
> be h(n)=n*(n+1)/2 (see Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming, vol.1") Wow! COol! THis book is really cool! Especially because Knuth wrote TeX as an example for this book, and for TeX he wrote Web! This man is f**king brilliant! Grtjs, Manuel ((m)ICQ UIN 41947405) PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: emulators again
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: > >Since we have 16 colors on the > >original, the horizontal pixels can have 256 colors (16x16). > Not exactly. Mixing color A and color B will create the same color as > mixing color B and color A. So the maximum number of colors is actually 128. I little bit more than that I think. Let's do the math exactly now: it's true that mix(A,B)=mix(B,A), but in the other hand we don't need to count mix(A,A) twice. The total number of colors on the horizontal will be h(n)=n*(n+1)/2 (see Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming, vol.1") where n is the original number of colors, and in the vertical this will be v(n)=h(n)*(h(n)+1)/2. If we had 16 colors, then h(16)=136 and v(16)=9316, BUT the Parrot engine can only be used in MSX-1 mode for the moment, and the MSX-1 has only 15 colors. So the correct number of colors in the simple linear interpolation will be h(15)=120 and v(15)=7260. This only accounts for the linear filter of Parrot. It also has a non-linear filter that can remove dithering by applying a low-pass filter. This low-pass filter is also of the form f(n)=n*(n+1)/2 so the final number of colors will be h(f(15))=7260 and v(f(15))=26357430. Since the PC can only display 32768 colors in the mode I'm using, what I said before still applies. Ricardo Bittencourt http://www.lsi.usp.br/~ricardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ricardo is subtle, but malicious he is not" Say NO to Coca-Cola. Drink Tubaina. --- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: emulators again
At 09:41 AM 8/16/99 -0300, you wrote: > It does. BrMSX can interpolate colors when the Parrot engine is >enabled. If a pixel has Red color and its neighbour has Yellow color, >then the pixel inbetween will be Orange. Since we have 16 colors on the >original, the horizontal pixels can have 256 colors (16x16). Not exactly. Mixing color A and color B will create the same color as mixing color B and color A. So the maximum number of colors is actually 128. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
emulators again
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Laurens Holst wrote: > > Is that so ? I have a P200MMX and if I put BrMSX at full speed, it runs > > about 7 or 8 times the speed of a real MSX... > Whow, is that fast (not really for an emulator which runs at full speed on a > 386-33 and uses MMX enhancements etc.). Try the test yourself: TIME=0:FORI=0TO1000:NEXT:PRINTTIME This returns "92" on a real Expert 1.0 and "4" on BrMSX running in mode fast on my K6-233. The speed improvement over the real MSX is 23 times. This is quite good to run "Graphos 3", if you can live with sound disabled. > > | >- BrMSX displays MSX games with over 3 colurs. > How can BrMSX generate MORE colors than the machine it emulates can > handle??? It's not possible. It may work on a 3-colors screenmode, but > that doesn't mean it really does display them... It does. BrMSX can interpolate colors when the Parrot engine is enabled. If a pixel has Red color and its neighbour has Yellow color, then the pixel inbetween will be Orange. Since we have 16 colors on the original, the horizontal pixels can have 256 colors (16x16). The vertical pixels are interpolated from the already interpolated horizontal pixels, so they can have 65536 colors (256x256). Due to a limitation of the pc video mode I'm using, it can display only 32768 colors. Ricardo Bittencourt http://www.lsi.usp.br/~ricardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ricardo is subtle, but malicious he is not" Say NO to Coca-Cola. Drink Tubaina. --- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
e is not one computer over here in Europe with that thing. Thanx to BrMSX I can still use this software ! | |>- With a laptop you can even play your games in the train or something ! | |But, why are you talking only about games? | I don't wanna play games only into my MSX, I want to produce new |programs too! Well, if u wanna play games ONLY, so... Keep on your emulators. not only games... But believe it or not.. Sometimes I do like to play games... |MSX is better, at least 4 me, and almost 4 all the MSXfreaks who |signed to this list. I'm a MSXfreak since 1986, and helped Wiebe Weikamp |creating this list, in May, 1994. Nice for you... I already have a MSX since 1984, and I founded FONY, way back '88. I have had quite some different MSX-computer, had the FONY-TYFOON Base BBS here in the Netherlands. Frankly, I'm one of the first MSXusers |who were connected to the Internet, in 1993. And I saw the 'rise-and-fall' |of many emulators: fMSX, CJS, VMSX... Some of them were excelent, some of |the others were terrible. Well, BrMSX is almost one of the best emulators |I've ever seen. But I haven't got it, 'cause actually I don't need an |emulator, not yet. Just as you say... Not yet... That is very nice for you... but eventually, your MSX will also stop working. And on that day,, you'll be glad that there is an emulator, which makes is possible to play your games, and to use your programms... | |I'm sure, the MSXuser who would prefer a MSX-emulator, rather than |a real MSX, is not a real MSXuser. Who are you to decide that ? Why am I not a "real" MSX-user... I think I am... And if I take a look at the number of people visiting my site (even what you call "REAL" MSX-er visit my site), which is over 100 persons each day, I still tend to think I am doing something for the MSX-world... go and take a look: http://www.casema.net/~tfh If u r using a MSX emulator because of |your needs, allright, keep on doing, and if u don't have a MSX, u can get |even a new MSX (MMSX, from Spain and ACE, from Brazil). As far as I know, there are still NO working NEW msx-computers. And I don't want to go to Spain or Brazil to get one... |But, if u r only |using a MSX emulator, playing games, don't wanna buy a real MSX, but still |keeps shouting: "MSX forever...", it doesn't make any sense. | Why not ? If you have created a new game.. You still need people who want to buy/play it. For you it shouldn't matter if they are going to use it on an emulator or on a real MSX. The more important thing is the people are still active, and still support MSX buy buying original software ! That is keeping MSX alive !!! Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk ] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 08:50 12/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >| That's another problem. Emulator users love getting free ROMs in >|the Internet. So they think "Why would I pay for a MSX software if I can >|find thousand games for free on Internet?". > > >Ehm.. yes and no Is there any MSX-er on this mailinglist (with a real >MSX then.. okay) who can hounestly say he DOES NOT have any illagal copy of >any program for his MSX. I don't think so. I agree with the fact that we >still have to support active groups. That's also the reason you don't find >any software on my page of groups that are still active. But for older >games, that are no longer available, I don't see much wrong with it. You >tell me... How many konami games do you have... And how many of them are >original ??? Well, if they're getting ROMs (I've got a lot of ROMs, so I can play them with ExecROM) or buying CD-ROMs (I've got XTory II), but they are giving any support to the active MSX user groups, well done, pretty nice! Almost all MSX emulator users' doesn't buy new software 4 MSX, like Akin, PA3, Lost World or Pentaro Odyssey. They don't buy Hnostar, XSW-Magazine or FutureDisk, they don't want to go to a MSX-meeting. Almost all of them ONLY wants ROM-files of old games, so they can remember 'the good old days', or they ONLY wants to buy a CD-ROM full of files, like the XTory series. Here is the problem. When I get some time to finish my MSX projects, surely I won't be worried if they run on a emulator or not... _ __ M. Sc. In Computational Mathematics - UFF | __ \ (_| | | Niteroi - Rio de Janeiro - Brazil | |__) | _ __ _ _ __ __| | ___+-+ | _ / | |/ __// _` | '__/ _` |/ _ \ | Sola Scriptura | | | \ \ | | (__| (_| | | | (_| | (_) | | Sola Gratia | |_| \_\|_|\___\\__,_|_| \__,_|\___/ Jurczyk Pinheiro |Sola Fide| http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9822/ | Solo Christi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Soli Deo Gloria | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ MSX freak, X-Phile, Trekker, Christian, Anime and Yamato fan, Transformers, CuD junkie, Gospel Rock, Comics, Anti-Microsoft guy! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators, one last say
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Patriek Lesparre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 21:00 Onderwerp: Emulators, one last say |As I've said, I respect your choice to use an emulator in stead of the real |things, but fact is emulators are currently far inferior to the real thing |and your arguments to prefer it above a real MSX are weak. Don't worry.. I use both (I also have a real MSX here.. Still using it aswell, because just some programs still dont work on an emulator (i.e. SD Snatcher...) And you are 100% right... Most emulators are far from perfect (except BrMSX), but that is the problem for the writers of those emulators... And my arguments are not all that weak... That's a very easy to make statement for you. But at this moment, people can use MSX software, without having to spend about US$ 300,- or something to get all the stuff to be able to play them (MSX 2+, SCC, Joystcik TV, FM-PAC, extra memory, etc..) And I am sorry, but US$ 300,- is quite a strong argument for me. And maybe you and I have the room for two computers, some people don't... ||>Hear Hear.. you are 100% right | |May I remind you that YOU are the one that started this 'fight' and that |YOU are the one that's replying to every single message with the same |arguments over and over? | I said he was right, because he stated that is doesn't matter if you have a real MSX or an emu.. That it just counts if you are being active within the MSX community... |Maybe I'll use an emulator one day too, if AND ONLY IF emulators have |matured into a real alternative to my turboR and it has broken down. Yep... But then you get back to my initial problem. Some people over here in this group were discussing the idea of creating their programs in such a way, they would not work on any emulator. And that was my problem. Because that will disallow them to use their own programs when their MSX-es break down | |Anyway, do feel welcome in the MSX scene. I for one was very happy to see |one of the old-school people be 'active' again! | Thanx.. I just hope you don't mine that I use an emu sometimes instead of my real MSX... Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 11:02 13/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Well, if they're getting ROMs (I've got a lot of ROMs, so I can >> play them with ExecROM) or buying CD-ROMs (I've got XTory II), but they are >> giving any support to the active MSX user groups, well done, pretty nice! >> >> Almost all MSX emulator users' doesn't buy new software 4 MSX, like >> Akin, PA3, Lost World or Pentaro Odyssey. They don't buy Hnostar, >> XSW-Magazine or FutureDisk, they don't want to go to a MSX-meeting. Almost >> all of them ONLY wants ROM-files of old games, so they can remember 'the >> good old days', or they ONLY wants to buy a CD-ROM full of files, like the >> XTory series. > >Well, if you've bought the Xtory series, you've just done the totally wrong >thing... If you buy these CD's you're really NOT supporting MSX and MSX >developpers! No, you're even destroying the little MSX market as it is. >Reason: these CD's contain recent games! Games that are still being sold!! The >programmers of these games don't get any money from the sellers of XTory... In >other words: piracy! Very bad! We've told this earlier, but now I'm >disappointed some people still buy these CD's, or have bought them > >PLEASE MSX USERS: Boycot these stupid CD's!!! You're a real MSX user if you do >so! I've got a XTory II CD-ROM only because the MSX Brazilian Team user group didn't have money to pay me a debt that they had with me. I'd rather prefer the money, not the CD-ROM. But unfortunately, I needed to get it. Whatever... And you're sure, XTory suckz. _ __ | __ \ (_| ICQ UIN: 3635907 | | M. Sc. In Numerical Modelling - UFF | |__) | _ __ _ _ __ __| | ___ Niteroi - RJ - BR +-+ | _ / | |/ __// _` | '__/ _` |/ _ \ | Sola Scriptura | | | \ \ | | (__| (_| | | | (_| | (_) | | Sola Gratia | |_| \_\|_|\___\\__,_|_| \__,_|\___/ Jurczyk Pinheiro |Sola Fide| http://pagina.de/rjp - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Solo Christi | MSX freak, X-Phile, Trekker, Christian, Transformers, | Soli Deo Gloria | Anime (Yamato!), CuD, Linux, Rock, Comics, and hate M$! +-+ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: zaterdag 14 november 1998 02:41 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... |>2. Who gets supported by the fact that I buy a real MSX ? | | Indeed.. I gues you don't have an answer to that one. You don't support MSX by having a real (sick) MSX, you support MSX by being active !!! Doing something that adds something to the MSX-community... | |>3. Why does the MSX-scene suffer if I use an emulator in stead of a real MSX | |As I've said | Nop... Just read what I just wrote down... |>4. What are you going to do if in ten years your MSX doesn't work anymore ? | |Well, you'll die someday... Also true.. But my MSX will probably die sooner than me... |>I also have a real MSX... But I rather be realistic about it... | |My problem is: MSX-emulator users who still supports MSX buying |magazines and/or original software, programming and developing, not only |playing games, it sounds very nice to me. That's exactly what I mean !! But if they use only 4 playing |games and getting old ROMs... | |"Mr. Sulu, lock phasers at the suckers..." | |B! And please, don't forget this: there are also a lot of peple that have a real MSX, and don't buy any original games, magazines, etc... So, it's very easy.. What makes a real MSX-er ?? Yep... Someone that's is still being active within the MSX-community. You don't need to have a real MSX for that... Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
> Well, if they're getting ROMs (I've got a lot of ROMs, so I can > play them with ExecROM) or buying CD-ROMs (I've got XTory II), but they are > giving any support to the active MSX user groups, well done, pretty nice! > > Almost all MSX emulator users' doesn't buy new software 4 MSX, like > Akin, PA3, Lost World or Pentaro Odyssey. They don't buy Hnostar, > XSW-Magazine or FutureDisk, they don't want to go to a MSX-meeting. Almost > all of them ONLY wants ROM-files of old games, so they can remember 'the > good old days', or they ONLY wants to buy a CD-ROM full of files, like the > XTory series. Well, if you've bought the Xtory series, you've just done the totally wrong thing... If you buy these CD's you're really NOT supporting MSX and MSX developpers! No, you're even destroying the little MSX market as it is. Reason: these CD's contain recent games! Games that are still being sold!! The programmers of these games don't get any money from the sellers of XTory... In other words: piracy! Very bad! We've told this earlier, but now I'm disappointed some people still buy these CD's, or have bought them PLEASE MSX USERS: Boycot these stupid CD's!!! You're a real MSX user if you do so! Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org) PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Well, if you've bought the Xtory series, you've just done the totally wrong > thing... If you buy these CD's you're really NOT supporting MSX and MSX > developpers! No, you're even destroying the little MSX market as it is. > Reason: these CD's contain recent games! Games that are still being sold!! The > programmers of these games don't get any money from the sellers of XTory... In > other words: piracy! Very bad! We've told this earlier, but now I'm > disappointed some people still buy these CD's, or have bought them > > PLEASE MSX USERS: Boycot these stupid CD's!!! You're a real MSX user if you do > so! I have one idea... Maybe someone, who has this CD or copy of it could remove all of the illegal files from it and then upload it to funet or something. It is huge work, but that may cause less people wanting to buy it anymore... (Ok, it was a bad idea.) ,_. _=_=_=_=!_MSX_!=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_, ! A1ST ~--- - I ( o o o o o o )i /`, / .::;::; ., / :::.:.:.::::!. -=- `, ~== NYYRIKKI : [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 00:45 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... | |Well, so why the MSX emulator' users (who really loves the MSX) |don't buy a real MSX? | 1. You tell me in which store I can buy a new MSX computer 2. Who gets supported by the fact that I buy a real MSX ? 3. Why does the MSX-scene suffer if I use an emulator in stead of a real MSX 4. What are you going to do if in ten years your MSX doesn't work anymore ? Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk P.S. I also have a real MSX... But I rather be realistic about it... Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: URL for MSX Emulators!
go to my page... All MSX emulators for PC are available there: http://home.wxs.nl/~tfh Kind regards, The File-hunter (Arnaud de Klerk) Go visit the M.E.P. (MSX Emulator Page) http://home.wxs.nl/~tfh -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: M.H.M. van den Broek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: MSX-Mailinglist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: maandag 27 april 1998 0:07 Onderwerp: URL for MSX Emulators! >Hello, > >Someone asked me where he could find MSX Emulators like fMSX! > >Does somebody know on which sites these emulators can be found! > >--[ MARI ]-- > > -- > Visit XSW-Magazine's HomePage at: > http://www.tip.nl/users/m.broek > -- > M.H.M. van den Broek > Molenweg 17 > 5342 TA Oss > 0412-630653 / 0654-642288 > -- > >MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put >in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the >quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/) > > MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Hello, > > Why.. Why... Why... > > Can someone tell me what is wrong with the fact I use an emulator ? Lot's of > people say I'm not a real MSX-er because I use an emulator insted of the > real thing. Well... Let me tell you. I only have a Philips MSX-2 with 128kb > left, my sony MSX 2+ with 256kb and MSX-music broke down a few years back, > and it's not possbible to get a new one, or to get that thing fixed for a > reasonable price. At this moment I am very glad I can still use all my > MSX-software, although it's via an emulator ! > That is the reason that we need new MSX. My MSX will be broken someday. Now is the time to make new one. Then I'll be happy even though my MSX would be broken because I can possess new MSX again. > What's wrong with that ?? So just stop talking in a degrading way about > those "emulator" users ! Most of them also had an MSX in the past ! And > don't you all worry ! In 10 years, your MSX's will be gone to (They won't > live forever you know !) And on that day, you will be happy that emulators > exist !! > You are right. Almost all MSX emulator users had MSXs. When they met the emulator, they was very happy because they could use great MSX softwares. And ... it's all. It's end. They just tried to run softwares once and then never tried after. That situation is ok. I don't care whether they use emulators or not. But the important point is that the number of real MSX usres decreases due to the emulator. A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into somewhere untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. They do not use real MSX anymore and they do not use even the emulator now. I don't know exactly the situation in other countries. But I'm quite sure that many MSX users have left MSX scene due to the emulators. > Also keep this in mind when creating a copy-protection. I only buy MSX-games > I can use on my emulator as well !!! And if you make a game which you can't > play on a emulator, noone will be able to play it in the future ! > Well, I think you are a very GOOD MSX emulator user. I've never seen a guy who buy softwares for MSX emulator. However, I don't consider making such a copy-protection in my softwares. - Jun. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
URL for MSX Emulators!
Hello, Someone asked me where he could find MSX Emulators like fMSX! Does somebody know on which sites these emulators can be found! --[ MARI ]-- -- Visit XSW-Magazine's HomePage at: http://www.tip.nl/users/m.broek -- M.H.M. van den Broek Molenweg 17 5342 TA Oss 0412-630653 / 0654-642288 -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
] > PLEASE MSX USERS: Boycot these stupid CD's!!! You're a real MSX user if you do ] > so! ] ] I have one idea... Maybe someone, who has this CD or copy of it could ] remove all of the illegal files from it and then upload it to funet or ] something. It is huge work, but that may cause less people wanting to buy ] it anymore... (Ok, it was a bad idea.) I think that this is not much work at all. Where do you think most of the legal stuff on the xtory cd's came from? There won't be much legal stuff to upload to the internet which is not already present on the internet ;-) Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Alex Wulms/XelaSoft - MSX of anders NIX - Linux 4 ever See my homepage for info on the *** XSA *** format http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...Please stop this good/bad discussion
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jeroen Smael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 10:07 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators...Please stop this good/bad discussion |People, | |The MSX scene is small. If we keep on fighting like this over emulator |users/real users, the MSX scene will get even smaller. | |A TRUE MSX user is a user that loves the MSX, loves to play MSX games |and wants to keep the MSX system alive. | |STOP THIS USELESS FIGHT AMONG EACH OTHER. | |Jeroen Smael Hear Hear.. you are 100% right Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
>But the important point is that the number of real MSX usres >decreases >due to the emulator. A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into >somewhere >untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. >They do not use real MSX anymore and they do not use even the >emulator now. I usually keep quite quiet but I've got to disagree with the above. Firstly, in my own case, it was re-discovering MSX through the emulators that prompted me to go out and buy one again. But other than than, I think the reverse of the above is true. The emulation scene doesn't lower the number of real users, it adds to the number of users (real or otherwise). >A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into somewhere >untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. Surely the reason most people would buy the PC is because they believe, at that time, they prefer to run PC software. I think there are few people who buy a PC with the real intention of continuing to use their MSX on a regular basis. If these people then re-discover MSX through an emulator, or continue to use good MSX software via an emulator then it's keeping the MSX scene alive. So to all the emulator users who feel they get a rough deal from real MSXers : Thanks helping prolong the life of MSX. Peter. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 09:07 13/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >-Oorspronkelijk bericht- >Van: Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 00:45 >Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... > > >| >|Well, so why the MSX emulator' users (who really loves the MSX) >|don't buy a real MSX? >| > > >1. You tell me in which store I can buy a new MSX computer Do u need a store, to buy a MSX? =) I've bought only my old MSX 1 into a store... >2. Who gets supported by the fact that I buy a real MSX ? >3. Why does the MSX-scene suffer if I use an emulator in stead of a real MSX As I've said >4. What are you going to do if in ten years your MSX doesn't work anymore ? Well, you'll die someday... >Kind regards, > >Arnaud de Klerk > >P.S. > >I also have a real MSX... But I rather be realistic about it... My problem is: MSX-emulator users who still supports MSX buying magazines and/or original software, programming and developing, not only playing games, it sounds very nice to me. But if they use only 4 playing games and getting old ROMs... "Mr. Sulu, lock phasers at the suckers..." B! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Emulators...
Why.. Why... Why... Can someone tell me what is wrong with the fact I use an emulator ? Lot's of people say I'm not a real MSX-er because I use an emulator insted of the real thing. Well... Let me tell you. I only have a Philips MSX-2 with 128kb left, my sony MSX 2+ with 256kb and MSX-music broke down a few years back, and it's not possbible to get a new one, or to get that thing fixed for a reasonable price. At this moment I am very glad I can still use all my MSX-software, although it's via an emulator ! What's wrong with that ?? So just stop talking in a degrading way about those "emulator" users ! Most of them also had an MSX in the past ! And don't you all worry ! In 10 years, your MSX's will be gone to (They won't live forever you know !) And on that day, you will be happy that emulators exist !! Also keep this in mind when creating a copy-protection. I only buy MSX-games I can use on my emulator as well !!! And if you make a game which you can't play on a emulator, noone will be able to play it in the future ! Phew... Just had to say this... Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 13:52 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... || | I think I was not very clear. I can't compare a 3.5MHz machine |with a 200MHz machine, 8 bits CPU with 32 bits CPU. No way. I'm insane if |I say "PSG has better sound than AWE64". I can't to in my TR all I do in |my PC. They are different machines. And, even today, MSX do things that |impressed me. Ok, I can say "PC is better than MSX", but it's not reason |to me to not have a real MSX. Okay.. Then we agree on that part. And of course. Programmers on MSX are mor inventive that the ones on a PC, because on MSX they were more limited because of the hardware. But my point is also very simple: Who cares is someone uses an emu or a real MSX, as long as they support MSX by buying software, creating software or in any other way. Than it doesn't matter what they use... Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators: just my opinion.
'Konami Man' Nestor Soriano wrote: >I will not make judgements about if emulators users are "true" MSX users or >not, I will only tell my opinion. Well, the fact is that I'm in the MSX >world since year 86, and I can say this: the feeling I have when using real >MSX is not present when using any emulator. I mean, I can't release of my >mind the idea that I'm not using my MSX but a bad copy. So, even if they >can become perfect some day, I don't like emulators. If other people likes, >no problemo of course. > >Someone says that real MSX computers will be all broken some day. Well, we >ourselves must also die some day, but we don't mind about this, right? We >just live our life. I've been an MSX'er since 1986 as well and you wrote exactly how I (and probably many many others) feel. So I'll just say: Amen brother! ;) Patriek [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,-. ,. ,-. TNI on the web: | '-.| ,-. \ '-' http://www.xs4all.nl/~newimage/ Member of| ,-'| | | | ,-. The New Image | '--' | | '-' | Check out "MSX Banzai!" at: since 1991`--' '-' http://www.xs4all.nl/~newimage/MSXBanzai!/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...Please stop this good/bad discussion
People, The MSX scene is small. If we keep on fighting like this over emulator users/real users, the MSX scene will get even smaller. A TRUE MSX user is a user that loves the MSX, loves to play MSX games and wants to keep the MSX system alive. STOP THIS USELESS FIGHT AMONG EACH OTHER. Jeroen Smael MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators: just my opinion.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Patriek Lesparre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 01:37 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators: just my opinion. ||>Someone says that real MSX computers will be all broken some day. Well, we |>ourselves must also die some day, but we don't mind about this, right? We |>just live our life. | |I've been an MSX'er since 1986 as well and you wrote exactly how I (and |probably many many others) feel. So I'll just say: Amen brother! ;) Nicely said and well done, etc... But I do want to look a bit further than that, and I do want to be able to play MSX-games in the future, and I do want to be able to watch our own demo's we have written !!! Anyway.. You have the right to yor opinion, and I'll never tell you that you have to use an emulator. But please... Don't you tell me I am not a real MSX-er because I do use emulators (besides my real MSX...) Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
> You are absolutely right I am afraid. I also come across some sites that > have software available that's still distributed by active groups. Normally > I just send an e-mail to them, and then those titles dissapear. But > sometimes this doesn't work. > If you take a look at my site, you can also find a lot of software there. > But you will not find any current titles there, only "old stuff". Of course > I can make mistakes, so I even put a notice on every screen that if someone > sees a program in my list that doesn't belong there, they should warn me... Hi Arnoud! I heard you have Turbo Pascal 3.3 online. That is not legal. Or maybe it is, but that you'll have to ask Alwin Henseler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org) PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Emulators, one last say
TFH wrote: >||>Someone says that real MSX computers will be all broken some day. Well, >we >|>ourselves must also die some day, but we don't mind about this, right? We >|>just live our life. >| >|I've been an MSX'er since 1986 as well and you wrote exactly how I (and >|probably many many others) feel. So I'll just say: Amen brother! ;) > >Nicely said and well done, etc... But I do want to look a bit further than >that, and I do want to be able to play MSX-games in the future, and I do >want to be able to watch our own demo's we have written !!! > >Anyway.. You have the right to yor opinion, and I'll never tell you that you >have to use an emulator. But please... Don't you tell me I am not a real >MSX-er because I do use emulators (besides my real MSX...) Neither of us was saying that. In fact, the message explicitely said we had no opinion on what made a real MSX'er! Besides this, you wrote in another message that nobody could assure you that if you buy a turboR from japan that it'll work for the next 20 years. Well, NOBODY can assure you that with ANYTHING you buy! Guarantees usually only last 1 to 3 years or sometimes only a few months. And if you buy something from another country, that doesn't mean you have to GO THERE. And if it breaks down, there's hardware enthusiasts that can probably help you in your country too. As I've said, I respect your choice to use an emulator in stead of the real things, but fact is emulators are currently far inferior to the real thing and your arguments to prefer it above a real MSX are weak. I suggest this argument being closed, although I want to react to one last thing: >|STOP THIS USELESS FIGHT AMONG EACH OTHER. >| >|Jeroen Smael > >Hear Hear.. you are 100% right May I remind you that YOU are the one that started this 'fight' and that YOU are the one that's replying to every single message with the same arguments over and over? Maybe I'll use an emulator one day too, if AND ONLY IF emulators have matured into a real alternative to my turboR and it has broken down. Anyway, do feel welcome in the MSX scene. I for one was very happy to see one of the old-school people be 'active' again! Patriek ,--. ,---. ,--. Homepage: \"To make a mistake is | '--.| __ \ \__/ www.xs4all.nl/~newimage/ / human, but to really | __|| | | | ,--. E-mail: \ fuck things up, you | | | | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ need a computer." | '---' | | '--' | \- Glenn Scott, \_| || The New Image -since 1991-/ Secret Agent W7 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Arnauld, > |["nah! pc is better than msx! pc can run msx emulator! emulator is equal > |to real machine! i don't need real machine!"]. > Let's also put an end to this dicussion. The PC nowadays IS better then a > real MSX. Come on.. Be hounest. The cars you drive these days are also > better the the ones 15 years back. The colour printer I have on my desk is > also better then the 8 dot matrix printer of my MSX. But there is nothing > wrong with being nostalgic and still loving MSX ! But please... Technicaly, > a PC is much better then MSX. I think I was not very clear. I can't compare a 3.5MHz machine with a 200MHz machine, 8 bits CPU with 32 bits CPU. No way. I'm insane if I say "PSG has better sound than AWE64". I can't to in my TR all I do in my PC. They are different machines. And, even today, MSX do things that impressed me. Ok, I can say "PC is better than MSX", but it's not reason to me to not have a real MSX. > Ehm.. yes and no Is there any MSX-er on this mailinglist (with a real > MSX then.. okay) who can hounestly say he DOES NOT have any illagal copy of > any program for his MSX. I don't think so. I agree with the fact that we > still have to support active groups. That's also the reason you don't find > any software on my page of groups that are still active. But for older > games, that are no longer available, I don't see much wrong with it. You > tell me... How many konami games do you have... And how many of them are > original ??? > > Kind regards, > > Arnaud de Klerk > > Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) > http://surf.to/msxemu > http://www.casema.net/~tfh > ICQ:1446 > > > > > MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the > quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/) > > Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Engenharia de Computacao - UNICAMP http://www.adrpage.home.ml.org MSX-TR:I have one.And you? * My dog is named SysAdmin. It never takes care of when I call. * MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
|Well, if you want, I can find 4 u a real MSX 4 sale. It isn't easy, |but it isn't impossible. I realise that, but what is the difference to you, or anyone else if I use an emulator, or if I buy another *real* MSX. It's not like Philips or Sony are stil making these computers, so I am not letting them down or something. If I buy a real one, I am not supporting them or anyone else.. | |Ademir Carchano, in Brazil, has NEW MSX 2/2+ motherboards 4 sale. |Although, he is finishing a new motherboard, the ACE001. U can place it |into a PC case, connect it to a PC power source, a PC keyboard, a PC mouse, |a VGA monitor, uses 1 and 4 Mb SIMM 30 pin memories... But it is a new MSX. |Well, I dislike the PC peripherals, but unfortunately there isn't enough |MSX keyboards, MSX monitors and MSX mouses 4 sale. So... | |Leonardo Padial, in Spain, are finishing his MMSX project, but I |don't have enough information about the MMSX (does anyone can tell 4 us |about the project? I would be very interested). | These are all very nice projects, but they are low-scale. Also remember: I live in Holland. What am I going to do with a machine I bought in Spain or Brazil when it breakes down ? It will be a bit hard and expensive to go there to bring my computer in for repairs. Ofcourse: the idea is nice, but I really would like to see if is going to work. And as you said.. They are still busy with it. I want to use a MSX now.. |And, if my T-R will be broken in the next 10 years... |When it'll be broken, I think about it. Maybe in 2010, 2020... | |Well, only one question (please only think about it, don't worry |sending me a mail to answer): Do u prefer a MSX emulator or the real MSX? You can say something for both of them, but you also have to give the following credits to emulators: - Saves a lot of space on your desk ! (Only 1 case, monitor, keyboard, etc... - I have over 2 gig's of MSX software stored on my PC, Just by clicking it, I can play it. Try that on a real MSX - Just wih a command line option, you can change memory configuration, so you can run almost every game - With a laptop you can even play your games in the train or something ! Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk http://www.casema.net/~th<- Emulator Page... MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 00:47 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... |Almost all MSX emulator users' doesn't buy new software 4 MSX, like |Akin, PA3, Lost World or Pentaro Odyssey. They don't buy Hnostar, |XSW-Magazine or FutureDisk, they don't want to go to a MSX-meeting. Almost |all of them ONLY wants ROM-files of old games, so they can remember 'the |good old days', or they ONLY wants to buy a CD-ROM full of files, like the |XTory series. - Correct.. I don't buy HNO star... Reason is very ease.. I can't read it - I do go to MSX-meetings - I do own original MSX-Software But even if you state is right... What is the problem ??? Have you ever thought about this: If these people get then hang of their MSX computer again, first by playing some old MSX games, they might also get interested in the new software released on MSX ! This way, you might even get "new" msx-ers, or MSX-ers returning to the MSX-scene. Because if there don't come any new MSX-ers... The system will die eventually... And we don't want that to happen, do we ?!?! |When I get some time to finish my MSX projects, surely I won't be |worried if they run on a emulator or not... You don't have to... That is a problem that must be solved by the emulator writers, not by you ! They have to make to emulator that good, that it runs all MSX software. So on that part... You are 100% right... What I meant is: Some people are planning to let there software check if it is running in an emulator or in a real MSX, and if it's running in an emulator, they will make sure the programm will not work... And I think that's stupid. THAT is my problem... Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 | MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
| The real MSX users do it. They prefer their real MSX than an |emulator. An emulator is just for test, for experimenting, or maybe help |(come on... The BrMSX debugger helps me a lot!). | |> But the important point is that the number of real MSX usres decreases |> due to the emulator. |["nah! pc is better than msx! pc can run msx emulator! emulator is equal |to real machine! i don't need real machine!"]. | That's a common situation here in Brazil. Let's also put an end to this dicussion. The PC nowadays IS better then a real MSX. Come on.. Be hounest. The cars you drive these days are also better the the ones 15 years back. The colour printer I have on my desk is also better then the 8 dot matrix printer of my MSX. But there is nothing wrong with being nostalgic and still loving MSX ! But please... Technicaly, a PC is much better then MSX. NOTE: I am *NOT* talking about the software released on both systems, because I still think that games written 10 years ago have far better gameplay then those stupid 3D games on the PC... | That's another problem. Emulator users love getting free ROMs in |the Internet. So they think "Why would I pay for a MSX software if I can |find thousand games for free on Internet?". Ehm.. yes and no Is there any MSX-er on this mailinglist (with a real MSX then.. okay) who can hounestly say he DOES NOT have any illagal copy of any program for his MSX. I don't think so. I agree with the fact that we still have to support active groups. That's also the reason you don't find any software on my page of groups that are still active. But for older games, that are no longer available, I don't see much wrong with it. You tell me... How many konami games do you have... And how many of them are original ??? Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Thanks for the info !!! I already made an e-mail to him... So if he wants me to delete it, I will do that ofourse !!! What I wrote in this mailinglist and what is written on my page is serious. So... We will see !!! Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Manuel Bilderbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: maandag 16 november 1998 13:47 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... |> You are absolutely right I am afraid. I also come across some sites that |> have software available that's still distributed by active groups. Normally |> I just send an e-mail to them, and then those titles dissapear. But |> sometimes this doesn't work. |> If you take a look at my site, you can also find a lot of software there. |> But you will not find any current titles there, only "old stuff". Of course |> I can make mistakes, so I even put a notice on every screen that if someone |> sees a program in my list that doesn't belong there, they should warn me... | |Hi Arnoud! | |I heard you have Turbo Pascal 3.3 online. That is not legal. Or maybe it is, |but that you'll have to ask Alwin Henseler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). | |Grtjs, Manuel | |PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org) |PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi | | | |MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put |in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the |quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/) | | MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 23:06 11/11/98 PST, you wrote: >>A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into somewhere >>untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. > >Surely the reason most people would buy the PC is because they believe, >at that time, they prefer to run PC software. I think there are few >people who buy a PC with the real intention of continuing to use their >MSX on a regular basis. If these people then re-discover MSX through an >emulator, or continue to use good MSX software via an emulator then it's >keeping the MSX scene alive. So to all the emulator users who feel they >get a rough deal from real MSXers : Thanks helping prolong the life of >MSX. Well, so why the MSX emulator' users (who really loves the MSX) don't buy a real MSX? _ __ M. Sc. In Computational Mathematics - UFF | __ \ (_| | | Niteroi - Rio de Janeiro - Brazil | |__) | _ __ _ _ __ __| | ___+-+ | _ / | |/ __// _` | '__/ _` |/ _ \ | Sola Scriptura | | | \ \ | | (__| (_| | | | (_| | (_) | | Sola Gratia | |_| \_\|_|\___\\__,_|_| \__,_|\___/ Jurczyk Pinheiro |Sola Fide| http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9822/ | Solo Christi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Soli Deo Gloria | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ MSX freak, X-Phile, Trekker, Christian, Anime and Yamato fan, Transformers, CuD junkie, Gospel Rock, Comics, Anti-Microsoft guy! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 08:30 12/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >|Well, if you want, I can find 4 u a real MSX 4 sale. It isn't easy, >|but it isn't impossible. > >I realise that, but what is the difference to you, or anyone else if I use >an emulator, or if I buy another *real* MSX. It's not like Philips or Sony >are stil making these computers, so I am not letting them down or something. >If I buy a real one, I am not supporting them or anyone else.. Why not? You're supporting MSX, by using it as a real computer, not an emulator. >|Ademir Carchano, in Brazil, has NEW MSX 2/2+ motherboards 4 sale. >|Although, he is finishing a new motherboard, the ACE001. U can place it >|into a PC case, connect it to a PC power source, a PC keyboard, a PC mouse, >|a VGA monitor, uses 1 and 4 Mb SIMM 30 pin memories... But it is a new MSX. >|Well, I dislike the PC peripherals, but unfortunately there isn't enough >|MSX keyboards, MSX monitors and MSX mouses 4 sale. So... >| >|Leonardo Padial, in Spain, are finishing his MMSX project, but I >|don't have enough information about the MMSX (does anyone can tell 4 us >|about the project? I would be very interested). > >These are all very nice projects, but they are low-scale. Also remember: I Sure, it's low-scale, there isn't any big company behind MSX nowadays. >live in Holland. What am I going to do with a machine I bought in Spain or >Brazil when it breakes down ? It will be a bit hard and expensive to go But, why are you so worried about a MSX breaking down? I've got 3 MSXs, my Turbo-R fell from a 5-feet table, and it still runs smoothly! I've got some problems with my 2+, but it was the Ni-Ca battery, which had broke. Are u sure your MSX will have problems in a near future? I don't think so. >there to bring my computer in for repairs. Ofcourse: the idea is nice, but I >really would like to see if is going to work. And as you said.. They are >still busy with it. I want to use a MSX now.. So, do you really want a REAL MSX? We can find a MSX 2, or even a 2+ or Turbo-R 4 u in Japan. >|And, if my T-R will be broken in the next 10 years... >|When it'll be broken, I think about it. Maybe in 2010, 2020... >| >|Well, only one question (please only think about it, don't worry >|sending me a mail to answer): Do u prefer a MSX emulator or the real MSX? > >You can say something for both of them, but you also have to give the >following credits to emulators: > >- Saves a lot of space on your desk ! (Only 1 case, monitor, keyboard, >etc... Well, I've a great friend here in Brazil where in his home, there is no space 4 even his desktop 486 DX2-80. And he has 2 MSXs (a HotBit and a Turbo-R), a desktop PC and a Toshiba notebook. Well, he has a Game Boy too... I don't think it's a good excuse, seeing that MSX can be connected to a TV too. These MSXs, from Carchano and Padial will be using some PC peripherals, like keyboard, mouse, power source, disk-drive, 30-pin SIMM memory boards and case. If u want, surely u will can connect it to a (S)VGA monitor. Only if the motherboard would have been damaged, but if it's very difficult to happen. >- I have over 2 gig's of MSX software stored on my PC, Just by clicking it, >I can play it. Try that on a real MSX I can do it too, my T-R has a CD-ROM... =) And Zip-Drive and HD. >- Just wih a command line option, you can change memory configuration, so >you can run almost every game Well, I haven't got many problems with memory configuration with my MSX, but most of the problems were problems with bad-mooded coders. Have you seen that old Spanish games, like Paris-Dakar, Army Moves, Navy Moves, etc.? Its' problem regards to the And as I can remember, here in Brazil there were program which would run in a HotBit (Sharp's MSX), but it won't run in a Expert (Gradiente's MSX - Shame...). And most of these problems were about memory configuration, about game-loaders which didn't search 4 the right slots and the right pages. Bug. >- With a laptop you can even play your games in the train or something ! But, why are you talking only about games? I don't wanna play games only into my MSX, I want to produce new programs too! Well, if u wanna play games ONLY, so... Keep on your emulators. MSX is better, at least 4 me, and almost 4 all the MSXfreaks who signed to this list. I'm a MSXfreak since 1986, and helped Wiebe Weikamp creating this list, in May, 1994. Frankly, I'm one of the first MSXusers who were connected to the Internet, in 1993. And I saw the 'rise-and-fall' of many emulators: fMSX, CJS, VMSX... Some of them were excelent, some of the others
Re: Emulators...
| |Somehow I think, that maybe I'm only one, but I really don't like a |picture of future, where everybody is only looking pictures about funny |looking MSX computers in PC screen and trying emulators and laugh. Why not.. Be hounest. At this moment we are looking at pictures of the 70's and 80's, laughing at the clothes they wore in that time, The stereo's they had at that time, the cars people drove. You must realise that an MSX-computer os also only a small thing in history. It's a nice thing, so it's good people preserve it. But still.. That MSX on your desk, does not have eternal life ! Also not technically. In the future it will break down ! but there is plenty of more emulator users, that do not |do anything else, that asks 10 times "How to load .BAS files... I |forgotted" or "I downloaded SD-snatcher, but I can't get it to work. Can |somebody help me ?" True.. And 10, 15 years ago, you were asking the same questions. What's wrong with people getting back into the MSX scene. If there are no new people coming to the MSX-world, MSX will die anyway ! Let's welcome these new users. One day they might even get interested in buying your game ! | |Emulators have also made a plenty of new MSX file standards, that are not |very usefull for real users. Like .ROM/.CAS/.TAP/.IMG (Yes I know, |that there are quite a good loaders now for most of them.) I think, that |it would be much easyer for MSX users, if all of these games would be just |packed and cracked files. Not so much questions and answers and only a bit |more work. | What's the problem. .ROM files even have extra benifets on a real MSX. No more figuring out what to do with poke -1,170 or poke -1,255. Everything in one file (Makes the dir nicer to look at)... I think you better see this as a new development for MSX. Call it a next stage.. |Anyway... I don't have anything more against emulators, but I'm not ever |going to support them by some special way, because that is not my job. (I |almoust died, when I saw a message "press F10 to exit to MS-Dos" I don't |remember where) If I think, that makeing a copy protection will help me to |sell some games for MSX users, then I make copy protection. (Anyway... I |don't) Don't understand me wrong. You are writing for MSX, *NOT* for an emulator. If you have programmed in a normal way, and it doesn't work on an emulator, it's not your fault, and you don't have to do anything to solve that problem. That's a problem for the emulator writer. What I mean is that some people even want to make a protection on that game that it will not run on an emulator, or create a copy protection that will make in impossible to run the game on an emulator. There is nothing wrong with a copy protection though. But if you create a game now, please realize that you MSX will eventually break down, and than you'll only have an emulator left ! | |So what did we learn ??? . nothing ! | it's not about learning... But it's about accepting that some people still want to use your programs in the future... Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
| That is the reason that we need new MSX. My MSX will be broken someday. |Now is the time to make new one. Then I'll be happy even though my MSX |would be broken because I can possess new MSX again. here we go with that new MSX again. The idea is very nice ofcourse, Can you tell me what the diference is between a "new" msx computer, or an emulator. Okay.. I don't have a moonsound on my emulator, but on my real MSX (which I also have) I don't have one either. | You are right. Almost all MSX emulator users had MSXs. When they met |the emulator, they was very happy because they could use great MSX softwares. |And ... it's all. It's end. They just tried to run softwares once and then |never tried after. | | That situation is ok. I don't care whether they use emulators or not. |But the important point is that the number of real MSX usres decreases |due to the emulator. A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into somewhere |untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. |They do not use real MSX anymore and they do not use even the emulator now. |I don't know exactly the situation in other countries. But I'm quite sure |that many MSX users have left MSX scene due to the emulators. Also not true. If someone was developing something on his MSX< he will not stop as soon as he gets an emulator ? WHy should he ? Do you think that an assembler doesn't run on an emulator ? If someone stops developing, it's not because he started to use an emulator. he would have stopped developping it anyway ! And about leaving the MSX-scene, I'll tell you something different: When I look at the e-mails I get via my site, there are a lot of people discovering the MSX again. For years they haven't used an MSX, untill they ran into an emulator. Just take a look at me. A year ago, I didn't have a MSX or an emulator. Just by accident I ran into an emulator, and since then, I also bought a real MSX. But I rahter use the emulator, because it's faster and easier. It also save a lot of deskspace ! | Well, I think you are a very GOOD MSX emulator user. I've never seen |a guy who buy softwares for MSX emulator. However, I don't consider |making such a copy-protection in my softwares. No, you haven't, but I have seen one or two discussions about people that were going to do that, and I think that's quite stupid. Becuase maybe when they are 10 years older, they still ant to play there games or see their demos, but they will not be able to, because they don't run on any emulator due to their copy-protection. And by that time, their MSX will be broken. Please keep in mind that computers don't have unlimited lives ! kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Somehow I think, that maybe I'm only one, but I really don't like a picture of future, where everybody is only looking pictures about funny looking MSX computers in PC screen and trying emulators and laugh. I think, that it is as pity as a picture of future, where grass, trees, birds and all nature is only awailabble in virtual reality. I know, that there are people, that are using emulators to make software for MSX, and emulator users, that still buy MSX software (Ok, they are MSX users for me), but there is plenty of more emulator users, that do not do anything else, that asks 10 times "How to load .BAS files... I forgotted" or "I downloaded SD-snatcher, but I can't get it to work. Can somebody help me ?" Emulators have also made a plenty of new MSX file standards, that are not very usefull for real users. Like .ROM/.CAS/.TAP/.IMG (Yes I know, that there are quite a good loaders now for most of them.) I think, that it would be much easyer for MSX users, if all of these games would be just packed and cracked files. Not so much questions and answers and only a bit more work. Anyway... I don't have anything more against emulators, but I'm not ever going to support them by some special way, because that is not my job. (I almoust died, when I saw a message "press F10 to exit to MS-Dos" I don't remember where) If I think, that makeing a copy protection will help me to sell some games for MSX users, then I make copy protection. (Anyway... I don't) So what did we learn ??? . nothing ! ,_. _=_=_=_=!_MSX_!=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_, ! A1ST ~--- - I ( o o o o o o )i /`, / .::;::; ., / :::.:.:.::::!. -=- `, ~== NYYRIKKI : [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Alex Wulms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: zaterdag 14 november 1998 00:03 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... |I think that this is not much work at all. Where do you think most of the |legal stuff on the xtory cd's came from? There won't be much legal stuff to |upload to the internet which is not already present on the internet ;-) You are absolutely right I am afraid. I also come across some sites that have software available that's still distributed by active groups. Normally I just send an e-mail to them, and then those titles dissapear. But sometimes this doesn't work. If you take a look at my site, you can also find a lot of software there. But you will not find any current titles there, only "old stuff". Of course I can make mistakes, so I even put a notice on every screen that if someone sees a program in my list that doesn't belong there, they should warn me... If everyone had the same idea, then the new MSX-software wouldn't be found on the net, and than probably those xtory CD's wouldn't be able to get them, but I am afraid this is not the way it really is.. A shame indeed. Kind regards, Arnaud de Klerk Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: zaterdag 14 november 1998 02:42 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... | | |I've got a XTory II CD-ROM only because the MSX Brazilian Team user |group didn't have money to pay me a debt that they had with me. I'd rather |prefer the money, not the CD-ROM. But unfortunately, I needed to get it. | Even that is not really a problem if it was up to me. But if you find programs on that CD that you regurly use, just buy them. Then there is nothing wrong with having that cd... Kind regards, Arnaud P.S. Don't get me wrong.. I'd rather have that these CD didn't exist... Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: NYYRIKKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: vrijdag 13 november 1998 20:36 Onderwerp: Re: Emulators... |I have one idea... Maybe someone, who has this CD or copy of it could |remove all of the illegal files from it and then upload it to funet or |something. It is huge work, but that may cause less people wanting to buy |it anymore... (Ok, it was a bad idea.) I don't think that's a stupid idea... I think it's quite good. Maybe if Tristan has this CD, he can upload it himself... Or I don't know if I am missing a lot from those CD's, but I think I already have most programs on that CD online (exept from the newer programs then) Kind regards, Arnaud Go visit the MSX Emulator Page (M.E.P.) http://surf.to/msxemu http://www.casema.net/~tfh ICQ:1446 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Emulators
I've got a question for MSX emulators' developer. Why don't You work together to combine the better elements of each emulator to one. I've also heard of a java emulator for MSX. Why do You work all on the same problem with different result. Make a discussion, try to develop one emulator. I think this will be a good thing ! Goodbye, -- Fronteddu Stefano [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://space.tin.it/computer/stfront MSX, Sardinia, Robotics, Friends http://computer.digiland.it/1461 MSX Soft Tips Page ICQ: 21401454 0338/3645458 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Hi! >So what did we learn ??? . nothing ! At least you are honest :-) Collin MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Emulators: just my opinion.
I will not make judgements about if emulators users are "true" MSX users or not, I will only tell my opinion. Well, the fact is that I'm in the MSX world since year 86, and I can say this: the feeling I have when using real MSX is not present when using any emulator. I mean, I can't release of my mind the idea that I'm not using my MSX but a bad copy. So, even if they can become perfect some day, I don't like emulators. If other people likes, no problemo of course. Someone says that real MSX computers will be all broken some day. Well, we ourselves must also die some day, but we don't mind about this, right? We just live our life. - Konami Man - AKA Nestor Soriano (^ ^)v - Itsumo MSX user http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/9797/msx.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ#: 18281450 "In Windows 98, 3.000 found failures of W95 have been corrected..." Translation: 3.000.000 not found failures continue without being corrected... - MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Jun-Sung Kim escreveu:Greetings, > > Also keep this in mind when creating a copy-protection. I only buy MSX-games > > I can use on my emulator as well !!! And if you make a game which you can't > > play on a emulator, noone will be able to play it in the future ! > > > Well, I think you are a very GOOD MSX emulator user. I've never seen > a guy who buy softwares for MSX emulator. However, I don't consider > making such a copy-protection in my softwares. Well, now you met another one. :-) I've been usiing emulators because my MSX is broken for 2 years, and now i'm buying a new MSX with things i never thought i could have someday, when i had my MSX2.0 working. I had forgotten MSX after my msx broke, and I come back to Msx world when i saw that CJS emulator 0.2b was released. You can't imagine how happy I was at that time. I was in home again. :-) So MSX emulators brought me back. Without them i probably woulsn't buying a new MSX now. In this time using emulators, i bought future disks magazines, printed Msx magazines and Msx's CD's, altough Future disk doesn't work very well in emulators. I don't think that people with msx emulators doesn't buy/use/produce softwares (i'm here to prove it). And i fully agree with what was mentioned, even my new MSX will die someday, so i'll only buy softares that work with emulators, they may not work very well due to emulator bugs, but it's necessary that they aren't copy-protected, because in this case i could at least wait for a better version of thee emulator to run them. Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
Jun, > You are right. Almost all MSX emulator users had MSXs. When they met > the emulator, they was very happy because they could use great MSX softwares. > And ... it's all. It's end. They just tried to run softwares once and then > never tried after. The real MSX users do it. They prefer their real MSX than an emulator. An emulator is just for test, for experimenting, or maybe help (come on... The BrMSX debugger helps me a lot!). > But the important point is that the number of real MSX usres decreases > due to the emulator. Many emulators users prefer emulators for comodity. 'Cause they don't need to build software, there are tons of ROMs anywere; getting a TV to put in their MSX is very complicated to do; they don't want to spend their time searching for a 3 1/2 drive ["my pc has one 1.44 here! why searching for another???"]; they can spend the money of MSX with their PC ["nah! pc is better than msx! pc can run msx emulator! emulator is equal to real machine! i don't need real machine!"]. That's a common situation here in Brazil. > A lot of real MSX users putted their MSXs into somewhere > untouchable-place because they could run some MSX softwares on PC. > They do not use real MSX anymore and they do not use even the emulator now. Yeah, there are these, too. But these guys don't like MSX anymore. They don't use real MSX. But they don't use emulators too. > I've never seen > a guy who buy softwares for MSX emulator. That's another problem. Emulator users love getting free ROMs in the Internet. So they think "Why would I pay for a MSX software if I can find thousand games for free on Internet?". Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Engenharia de Computacao - UNICAMP http://www.adrpage.home.ml.org MSX-TR:I have one.And you? * DISK CRASH: (A)bort, (R)etry, (K)ill innocent bystanders * MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Emulators...
At 19:38 11/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >Why.. Why... Why... > >Can someone tell me what is wrong with the fact I use an emulator ? Lot's of >people say I'm not a real MSX-er because I use an emulator insted of the >real thing. Well... Let me tell you. I only have a Philips MSX-2 with 128kb >left, my sony MSX 2+ with 256kb and MSX-music broke down a few years back, >and it's not possbible to get a new one, or to get that thing fixed for a >reasonable price. At this moment I am very glad I can still use all my >MSX-software, although it's via an emulator ! Well, if you want, I can find 4 u a real MSX 4 sale. It isn't easy, but it isn't impossible. Ademir Carchano, in Brazil, has NEW MSX 2/2+ motherboards 4 sale. Although, he is finishing a new motherboard, the ACE001. U can place it into a PC case, connect it to a PC power source, a PC keyboard, a PC mouse, a VGA monitor, uses 1 and 4 Mb SIMM 30 pin memories... But it is a new MSX. Well, I dislike the PC peripherals, but unfortunately there isn't enough MSX keyboards, MSX monitors and MSX mouses 4 sale. So... Leonardo Padial, in Spain, are finishing his MMSX project, but I don't have enough information about the MMSX (does anyone can tell 4 us about the project? I would be very interested). And, if my T-R will be broken in the next 10 years... When it'll be broken, I think about it. Maybe in 2010, 2020... Well, only one question (please only think about it, don't worry sending me a mail to answer): Do u prefer a MSX emulator or the real MSX? Bye! _ __ M. Sc. In Computational Mathematics - UFF | __ \ (_| | | Niteroi - Rio de Janeiro - Brazil | |__) | _ __ _ _ __ __| | ___+-+ | _ / | |/ __// _` | '__/ _` |/ _ \ | Sola Scriptura | | | \ \ | | (__| (_| | | | (_| | (_) | | Sola Gratia | |_| \_\|_|\___\\__,_|_| \__,_|\___/ Jurczyk Pinheiro |Sola Fide| http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9822/ | Solo Christi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Soli Deo Gloria | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ MSX freak, X-Phile, Trekker, Christian, Anime and Yamato fan, Transformers, CuD junkie, Gospel Rock, Comics, Anti-Microsoft guy! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
New launchpad for emulators
Hi, I want to announce that I have made a new launchpad for msx-emulators and it is called MSX Shell. It can be downloaded from my internetsite at http://www.meusesoft.mypage.org. This launchpad has the following features; 1. It stores the commandline options of the used emulators in its database so you don't have to remember all those settings. 2. The entries in the database are named with long names, so no cryptic 8.3 names anymore. 3.You can store your disc and rom-images in a zipfile to save disc-space. MSX Shell can unzip a file prior to launching an emulator. You will need pkunzip for this feature. 4. Multiple emulators can be used. 5. You can set a startup message which can help you remember to use only one drive or to insert the right cd-rom. 6. The created database is a text-file which can be imported into any database-application, such as MS-Access. The advantage is that you can edit the file in a environment of your choice. I have tested it with the following two emulators; FMSX-Dos and Virtual MSX. But it probably (you never know for sure) will work with all emulators which work under windows95 and uses commandline options. Rainier Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. The server on which the file is stored causes some problems. It might happen that it is down during the weekends. If this is case try it another time later that week. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: URL for MSX Emulators!
Hello Mari How about through WWW.MSX.ORG GReetings Maico Arts >Someone asked me where he could find MSX Emulators like fMSX! > >Does somebody know on which sites these emulators can be found! > MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
