Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
2013/2/21 monxton musicbra...@jordan-maynard.org On 20/02/2013 23:50, Alex Mauer wrote: On 02/20/2013 05:24 PM, monxton wrote: Yes, I'd like to see all the pop songs that are based on classical themes here - the sort where they take a hook and its essential harmonies and build a song around them. I hate to see such works listed as being composed by the dead composer who had no choice in the matter. I disagree here: If someone wrote the music, they wrote the music even if someone else later put some words to it, or put *different* words to it. Yes, Rach wrote the original tune and harmonies, in the context of a larger work. He did not compose the song, just some elements of his work were copied into the derived work. The proposed based on attribute seems entirely appropriate to describe this. It is more of a parody or tribute relationship, not one that he engaged in. Regarding who gets composer credit for the new work, I'd suggest that we follow praxis for every case. I believe it's more common that only the composer of the new work is credited, but there are exceptions, like the well known Ave Maria by Bach/Gounod. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know nothing 'bout concept albums. I used the other example. :-) (you can source this, right?) (Someone mentioned the bible before ;-) - I can imagine this AR being used a lot with different bible books.) Major update; I'm resetting the RFC clock on this. This proposal will expire on Tuesday, the 26th of February. An interesting non-music use for this, too, is to mark operas which are based on plays or novels (since the playwright or novelist deserves credit but isn't a librettist) :) -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
On 02/19/2013 02:27 AM, symphonick wrote: (work) Rime of the Ancient Mariner ( http://musicbrainz.org/work/aeffb080-56d8-36b4-b018-eb9de2fa1d76 ) and (release group)* Rime of the Ancient Mariner ( http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/f274e2a2-197e-49d9-bea2-946f95c52374 ) are based on (work)** Rime of the Ancient Mariner ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner ) (work) All Delighted People ( http://musicbrainz.org/work/cb8cf846-af2d-420c-a44d-6b48c232d602 ) is based on (work) Sound of Silence ( http://musicbrainz.org/work/ac967d83-36c2-3bf5-a2a6-562c4b1fdb2e ) * assuming it's okay to enter a concept album as a superwork Don't know nothing 'bout concept albums. I used the other example. :-) (you can source this, right?) The All Delighted People example is maybe a grey area? You could say that it quotes or references of interpolates lyrics and themes from the original I guess. Or borrows from? http://music.sufjan.com/album/all-delighted-people-ep The Iron Maiden example seems pretty solidly based on. Could be considered an adaption maybe? (if we got more granular) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner_%28song%29 Alex / caller#6 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
2013/2/21 caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com The All Delighted People example is maybe a grey area? You could say that it quotes or references of interpolates lyrics and themes from the original I guess. Or borrows from? http://music.sufjan.com/album/all-delighted-people-ep The Iron Maiden example seems pretty solidly based on. Could be considered an adaption maybe? (if we got more granular) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner_%28song%29 Alex / caller#6 I see. Think I'll change to Maiden, then. Is the poem in MB? I'll add an opera example too, if you can find something that fits. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add an opera example too, if you can find something that fits. Verdi's Otello or Macbeth seem like decent examples. -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
For Musical Theatre you could use Les Misérables, based on the novel by Victor Hugo (of which a spoken word version – in english – is in the DB) or Oliver! (of which an audiobook version – in german – is also already in MB). For Opera one could also think of Wozzeck or Lulu On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:42 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/21 caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com The All Delighted People example is maybe a grey area? You could say that it quotes or references of interpolates lyrics and themes from the original I guess. Or borrows from? http://music.sufjan.com/album/all-delighted-people-ep The Iron Maiden example seems pretty solidly based on. Could be considered an adaption maybe? (if we got more granular) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner_%28song%29 Alex / caller#6 I see. Think I'll change to Maiden, then. Is the poem in MB? I'll add an opera example too, if you can find something that fits. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
On 02/19/2013 04:27 AM, symphonick wrote: 2013/2/19 caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com * assuming it's okay to enter a concept album as a superwork Don't know nothing 'bout concept albums. I used the other example. :-) (you can source this, right?) If you want to add an example for a concept album (bonus: based on a book), “Jeff Wayne’s Musical Version of The War of the Worlds” is a good one. http://musicbrainz.org/work/c7c43809-ee2a-435c-be20-97f6d444ea38 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
On 02/19/2013 04:27 AM, symphonick wrote: Major update; I'm resetting the RFC clock on this. This proposal will expire on Tuesday, the 26th of February. I’m not a big fan of the asymmetry of “is based on” vs. “has derivative work”. How about “is derived from”/“has derivative work” or “is based on”/“is the basis for” instead? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works based on Works AR
2013/2/21 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net On 02/19/2013 04:27 AM, symphonick wrote: Major update; I'm resetting the RFC clock on this. This proposal will expire on Tuesday, the 26th of February. I’m not a big fan of the asymmetry of “is based on” vs. “has derivative work”. How about “is derived from”/“has derivative work” or “is based on”/“is the basis for” instead? Yeah, I was also thinking about something like the latter. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFC STYLE-192: Add instrument conductor AR
Ticket: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-192 Expected expiration date: 2013-3-1___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
