Re: pgp output

2001-02-14 Thread Andreas Grytz

Hi.

I continue suffering with the de-/encryption.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:44:36PM -0800, David T-G wrote:
 Andreas --
 
 % 
 ...
 % BD8B050Dgpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
 % Alright, I know that it has something to do with the key, given
 % with the mail. I assume that I have to put it in a certain file.
 
 If the key came with the email then you should be able to simply extract
 it and let mutt handle storing it for you.
 
 
 % Can someone give me a hint where to start?
 
 Hit '?' and look at the key bindings.
 
 

I did and find ^K which works, but produces the following output:
Warning: Long option `language' is not translated/used.
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0
WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature
integrity.

I tried to find out, what the long option `language` means but
neither manpage nor help of gpg does anything say about it.

So it got back to homepage of mutt an studied Using mutt with
pgp/gpg. But I didn't find something which helps me.

I think I basically missed something important. Mayby the
configuration of gnupg is wrong? Or do I have to tell mutt which
program I use for en-/decryption?

Lost in user space,

Andreas
 



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Maildir box, sent mail

2001-02-14 Thread Jason Helfman

What is the setting for having just a standard mbox sent mail file.

Mine keeps finding itself to mbox.

I have this option set.

set record=sent

I have also tried

set record=+sent

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RFC2369?

2001-02-14 Thread Ashton

I seem to recall support for unsub via headers
but am not finding anything in the manual ...

Pointers?

List-Unsubscribe: http://www.host.com/list.cgi?cmd=unsublst=list,
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2369.html
The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands
and their Transport through Message Header Fields




Send-hook not setting from properly

2001-02-14 Thread Daniel J Peng

To test a problem, I made a .muttrc with only these two lines from my
usual configuration:

send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"'
send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set 
realname="Razl"'

This should, when I reply to mail form a mailing list at
gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au , set the From: header to
Razl [EMAIL PROTECTED], right?

When I reply to the attached message, though, Mutt sets the From: header
to Razl [EMAIL PROTECTED].

The odd thing is, if I cancel that message and try it again, Mutt works
as I want it to and sets the From: header to
Razl [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Is this a bug? Or am I just missing something about send-hooks?

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send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"'
send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set 
realname="Razl"'




 If this is truly the case, then I question whether this CFJ should not
 be dismissed on the grounds that "[i]ts Statement does not relate to a
 matter relevant to the Rules," Rule 1565.

 But it IS relevant, insomuch as this CFJ might define a particular limit
to what Rules can do.  Even if this would have no immediate effect (it's
not much use to CFJ RULES to control what RULES cannot control) it
could set a precedent that would help guide future proposals with respect
to Player actions.

 -Goethe.






Re: ignoring backup-inbox in !mailboxes watch

2001-02-14 Thread Jason Helfman

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:33:55AM -0500, Joe Philipps muttered:

| Q:...for those of you who use maildir...would you ever have
| subdirectories in $HOME/Mail?
| 

The only thing I have in MAILDIR format is mail that is important,
meaning anything that I am currently not filtering to my spool. Most
personal mail of mine just goes to MAILDIR, and other like mutt,
majordomo mail and things of this nature aren't that important to have a
backup of, or even moreso, a good file of. These are mbox for me.




./
../
announce
backup-inbox
bizrate
lugs
msgid.cache
mutt
postponed/ - ugh, i am trying to get this to be mbox?
returned
sent/  - ugh, i am trying to get this to be mbox?
spool@ --- ../Maildir/
testing

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pgp_verify_sig=ask -- wrong value?

2001-02-14 Thread Tsoi

In mutt manual,


pgp_verify_sig

Type: quadoption
Default: yes 

If ``yes'', always attempt to verify PGP/MIME signatures. If ``ask'', ask
whether or not to verify the signature. If ``no'', never attempt to verify
PGP/MIME signatures. 



what's wrong?

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Re: Send-hook not setting from properly

2001-02-14 Thread Aaron Schrab

At 21:04 -0500 13 Feb 2001, Daniel J Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 send-hook . 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; set realname="Daniel J Peng"'
 send-hook '~C @gecko.serc\.rmit\.edu\.au' 'set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ; set 
realname="Razl"'

 Is this a bug? Or am I just missing something about send-hooks?

At the time that send-hooks are evaluated, Mutt has already generated
the From: header that it plans to use.  If you want to select a From:
header from send-hooks you need to use 'my_hdr From:'.

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Re: Mutt and Gnus to use same mailboxes?

2001-02-14 Thread Cory T. Echols

On 02/14, Andre Berger wrote:
 I'd like to know if Mutt and Gnus could read from and write to the
 same mailboxes?
 

If I remember correctly, Emacs mail programs must use a different folder
locking mechanism than other Unix mail apps.  So for folder formats that
require locking, you'll most likely have trouble.

The maildir folder format used by QMail doesn't require locking to
operate safely though.  So if GNUS supports maildir, you can probably
use it with mutt safely if you use maildir folders.

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Re: your mail

2001-02-14 Thread Markus Orlich

Nelson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

 What do I have to add to my .muttrc to make it check only the mbox type
 files on ~/mail?
 
 I currentlly have 
 mailboxes =Mutt =Inbox 

Why don't you try
- mailboxes`echo ~/mail/*`

In my muttrc it works just fine.


Markus

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Re: RFC2369?

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Ashton wrote:

 I seem to recall support for unsub via headers
 but am not finding anything in the manual ...

pine 4.2x and above support it.  Wasn't aware that there's support for
this in mutt - it'd be a great thing imho (esp when keys can be bound to
unsubscribe / get list info etc) :)

-suresh




Re: your mail

2001-02-14 Thread Nelson D. Guerrero

* On Tue Feb 13 2001, Nelson D. Guerrero screamed:
- Florian, It's not that...It works fine, it detects all my mailboxes
- correctlly using my command...
- 
- I want to know is how to set it to look like this:
- 
- -- Mutt: Mailboxes [2]
- 
- instead of this:
- 
- -- Mutt: Directory [~/mail], File mask: !^\.[^.]

Ok, here's what I want to do. 

I want my browser to show only the mailboxes I specified on my
~/.muttrc, just as if I was typing Tab on the browser itself. But I
want it to be default. I can't find a damn thing on the example muttrc
or 'man muttrc'. 


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Re: Sorting mail with mutt and IMAP

2001-02-14 Thread Justin R. Miller

Regarding what Waldemar said before about fetchmail and procmail, 
you don't necessarily have to lose the features of IMAP.  I have 
been doing this with Cyrus IMAPd for about two years.  You have 
to run fetchmail as root so that it can call Cyrus' deliver 
program (or otherwise set up the right permissions).  I can give 
more information if you have Cyrus and are curious...

-Justin

Thus spake Jack McKinney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 Big Brother tells me that Waldemar Brodkorb wrote:
  
  Another solution is to use a imap filter, called sieve.
  I've seen it only by Cyrus IMAP-Server in a newer version than
  2.0.x.
  http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve/
 
 OK, I'll check it out.  I was think that since mutt had all kinds of
 hooks to specify what folders to save stuff into that there might be a
 way to get it to do that while mutt is running instead of on exit, and
 then specify the box names as IMAP names...
 
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Re: Sorting mail with mutt and IMAP

2001-02-14 Thread Justin R. Miller

Regarding what Waldemar said before about fetchmail and procmail
(and I'm going by the archive since I just subscribed to this list),
you don't necessarily have to lose the features of IMAP.  I have
been doing this with Cyrus IMAPd for about two years.  You have
to run fetchmail as root so that it can call Cyrus' deliver
program (or otherwise set up the right permissions).  I can give
more information if you have Cyrus and are curious...

-Justin
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Re: Sorting mail with mutt and IMAP

2001-02-14 Thread Justin R. Miller

Regarding what Waldemar said before about fetchmail and procmail
(and I'm going by the archive since I just subscribed to this list),
you don't necessarily have to lose the features of IMAP.  I have
been doing this with Cyrus IMAPd for about two years.  You have
to run fetchmail as root so that it can call Cyrus' deliver
program (or otherwise set up the right permissions).  I can give
more information if you have Cyrus and are curious...

-Justin
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Re: pgp_verify_sig=ask -- wrong value?

2001-02-14 Thread David Ellement

On 010214, at 19:30:07, Tsoi wrote
 --
 pgp_verify_sig
 
 Type: quadoption
 Default: yes 
 
 If ``yes'', always attempt to verify PGP/MIME signatures. If ``ask'', ask
 whether or not to verify the signature. If ``no'', never attempt to verify
 PGP/MIME signatures. 
 --
 
 what's wrong?

The option should be set to 'ask-yes' or 'ask-no' for a prompt:

  quadoption variables are used to control whether or not to be prompted
  for certain actions, or to specify a default action.  A value of yes
  will cause the action to be carried out automatically as if you had
  answered yes to the question.  Similarly, a value of no will cause the
  the action to be carried out as if you had answered ``no.''  A value
  of ask-yes will cause a prompt with a default answer of ``yes'' and
  ask-no will provide a default answer of ``no.''

-- 
David Ellement



Re: Sorting mail with mutt and IMAP

2001-02-14 Thread Jack McKinney

Big Brother tells me that Justin R. Miller wrote:
 Regarding what Waldemar said before about fetchmail and procmail, 
 you don't necessarily have to lose the features of IMAP.  I have 
 been doing this with Cyrus IMAPd for about two years.  You have 
 to run fetchmail as root so that it can call Cyrus' deliver 
 program (or otherwise set up the right permissions).  I can give 
 more information if you have Cyrus and are curious...

As root?  Do you have to run cyrus on the IMAP server or on the
client side?  It so happens that I run the mail server that I am
using mutt+IMAP to access, but I need an end-user solution...
Right now, I could do it manually.  Use 'l' with pattern
'~t root@' to get all of the root mail, and then tag all of them
and save them to '{username@imapsever}root'.
It seems that there ought to be a way to get mutt to automatically
do this on start up...

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Re: pgp_verify_sig=ask -- wrong value?

2001-02-14 Thread Tsoi

Oh, I see.
Thank you.

Then, may I ask one more thing?
So, how can I verify PGP keys by manually, (not automatic)?

(I have searched archives, but I couldn't find any solutions.
 The proposed using pipe(|) is not so elegant, aren't you?)


If this was answered before, please let me know the location of it.


Take care,
Tsoi


Thus spake David Ellement ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) :

: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:39:47 -0800
: From: David Ellement [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: pgp_verify_sig=ask -- wrong value?
: Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i
: 
: On 010214, at 19:30:07, Tsoi wrote
:  --
:  pgp_verify_sig
:  
:  Type: quadoption
:  Default: yes 
:  
:  If ``yes'', always attempt to verify PGP/MIME signatures. If ``ask'', ask
:  whether or not to verify the signature. If ``no'', never attempt to verify
:  PGP/MIME signatures. 
:  --
:  
:  what's wrong?
: 
: The option should be set to 'ask-yes' or 'ask-no' for a prompt:
: 
:   quadoption variables are used to control whether or not to be prompted
:   for certain actions, or to specify a default action.  A value of yes
:   will cause the action to be carried out automatically as if you had
:   answered yes to the question.  Similarly, a value of no will cause the
:   the action to be carried out as if you had answered ``no.''  A value
:   of ask-yes will cause a prompt with a default answer of ``yes'' and
:   ask-no will provide a default answer of ``no.''
: 
: -- 
: David Ellement

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mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR ??

2001-02-14 Thread Jon Bendtsen

i have no .muttrc file, and a EDITOR variable set to vi, yet still
mutt insists on using jove as my editor...
So, i was wondering if mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR, and if so, why not??


ion++

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det kan ikke vaere rigtigt at vigtige programmer skal varetages af
frivillige - Jon Bendtsen"



RE: mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR ??

2001-02-14 Thread George Wright

I'm not at my Linux box now, but I believe mutt must 
have a config file somewhere.  I've never heard of 
a non-existent ~/.muttrc, but I suppose it's possible.

If you've verified that nothing exists in ~, then check 
for a master mutt config file in /etc, and see if 
something there is declaring jove as the default editor.

Just a guess, hth, George


 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Bendtsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR ??
 
 
 i have no .muttrc file, and a EDITOR variable set to vi, yet still
 mutt insists on using jove as my editor...
 So, i was wondering if mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR, and if 
 so, why not??
 
 
 ion++
 
 -- 
 
 "I oevrigt mener jeg at store dele af dikunix skal foldes ind 
 under staff,
 det kan ikke vaere rigtigt at vigtige programmer skal varetages af
 frivillige - Jon Bendtsen"
 



Re: mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR ??

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Jon Bendtsen proclaimed on mutt-users that: 

 i have no .muttrc file, and a EDITOR variable set to vi, yet still
 mutt insists on using jove as my editor...
 So, i was wondering if mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR, and if so, why not??

eh? This ...

set editor="/usr/bin/vim"

doesn't call up pico, emacs or whatever, just vim.

Check 

1. Whether there's a typo in your config

2. Whether jove is defined as the editor in your .muttrc (just setting the
shell variable wont do) - mutt might use /etc/Muttrc (or whatever) for its
config if you dont have one defined.

Quick and dirty fix - create a .muttrc file with only the above line in it :)

--suresh
http://www.hserus.net/mua.html = mutt pages, my muttrc etc

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Re: mutt doesnt respect $EDITOR ??

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 12:57:08PM -0500, George Wright typed:

 I'm not at my Linux box now, but I believe mutt must 
 have a config file somewhere.  I've never heard of 
 a non-existent ~/.muttrc, but I suppose it's possible.

Mutt will use /etc/Muttrc (or /usr/local/etc/Muttrc maybe) if there's no
~/.muttrc present

 If you've verified that nothing exists in ~, then check 
 for a master mutt config file in /etc, and see if 
 something there is declaring jove as the default editor.
 
the default muttrc has vi as the editor, not jove - though someone might have
modified it ...

-s

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Re: Maildir box, sent mail

2001-02-14 Thread Michael Tatge

Jason Helfman muttered:
 What is the setting for having just a standard mbox sent mail file.
 
 Mine keeps finding itself to mbox.
 
 I have this option set.
 
 set record=sent
 
 I have also tried
 
 set record=+sent

set record="~/Mail/sent-mail"   # default fcc

If this doesn't work, I would check the value of $mbox_type, maybe you
set it to Maildir?


HTH,

Michael
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new mail in folder overview

2001-02-14 Thread Roel Vanhout

Hi all,

First thanks to all for suggesting me procmail recipes for the problem I
had a few days ago with my double mail, but I use maildrop so I just
took 15 minutes and went through it by hand :-)

Anyway, my question of the day is if there is a better way to detect new
mail in the folder view. According to the manual new mail is detected by
checking the access time of the folder, but I also have a mailchecker
applet running so this is not good. I would also like to detect not only
new mail, but also 'old' new mail (marked with O instead of N). This
doesn't seem to be possible by using %N in the folder_format. I use
Maildir to store my mail in. Would there be a way to use an external
program to check for new mail? I could write my own script to go through
all 'new' directories. 

Thanks.

cheers,

roel 



Re: setting spoolfile, lynx keybindings and using the meta-key

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

[EMAIL PROTECTED] proclaimed on mutt-users that: 

 1) I have three email boxes, specified using the "mailboxes" command, and email is 
delivered
 directly to all of them; how can I specify which one should be opened when I start 
mutt? Can I
 just point the spoolfile variable to it or does this change something else?
 
 Try calling mutt -f =mailboxname

 2) Some months ago someone posted to the list a set of macros which implemented key 
bindings
 similar to the ones used in lynx; do you know where I can find them?
 
 The list must be archived someplace (there's an egroups archive I think).

-s

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Re: setting spoolfile, lynx keybindings and using the meta-key

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 07:26:11AM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian typed:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] proclaimed on mutt-users that: 
 
  2) Some months ago someone posted to the list a set of macros which implemented 
key bindings
  similar to the ones used in lynx; do you know where I can find them?
  
  The list must be archived someplace (there's an egroups archive I think).

woops - s/egroups/yahoogroups/  the archives are online at  
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/mutt-users

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Re: Send-hook not setting from properly

2001-02-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Daniel J Peng proclaimed on mutt-users that: 

 On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 06:01:37AM -0600, Aaron Schrab wrote:

  If you want to select a From: header from send-hooks you need to use
  'my_hdr From:'.
 
 Will envelope_from set the envelope if I do this?
 
 yes

-s

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Re: Send-hook not setting from properly

2001-02-14 Thread Aaron Schrab

At 23:52 -0500 14 Feb 2001, Daniel J Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 06:01:37AM -0600, Aaron Schrab wrote:
  At the time that send-hooks are evaluated, Mutt has already generated
  the From: header that it plans to use. 
 
 Is this by design?  This seems like extraordinarily
 counterintuitive behavior.

Yes it's by design.  Doing it this way allows send-hooks to be based on the
effects of $reverse_name which needs to be able to ovverride the value of
$from.  The description in the manual even says:

  ** When set, this variable contains a default from address.  It
  ** can be overridden using my_hdr (including from send-hooks) and
  ** ``$$reverse_name''.

This timing is its only reason it exists  (in 1.0 my_hdr was the only way to
change the From: header).  Remember that it's documented as being the *default*
from address, it's not really meant to be changed all the time.

 Also, why should Mutt not set 'realname' and 'from' at the same time?

I don't know.  Possibly because having the real name portion available
to send-hooks isn't as usefull as having the address portion available.
And, at least if $reverse_realname variable is not set the realname
portion of the From: header needs to be done after $reverse_name is
applied anyway, so it might as well be after the send-hooks as well.

  If you want to select a From: header from send-hooks you need to use
  'my_hdr From:'.
 
 Will envelope_from set the envelope if I do this?

Yes.  The manual is accurate in saying that it uses the address from the
From: header (rather than saying that it uses the $from variable).

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