Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread Stefano Sabatini
On date Sunday 2007-02-04 12:16:11 -0500, Jing Xue muttered:
 I know 'a' adds an alias for the current sender, but is there any other
 more generic way to add alias _and_ make it effective immediately? I can
 start an editor to edit my .mutt/alias but I can't see the changes until
 restarting mutt.

create-alias, usually bound to a, makes the new alias immediately
effective, and immediately writes the alias in the $alias_file.

Maybe you have to refresh the buffer you're seeing with your editor to
see the change.

Cheers
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Re: problem tagging collapsed messages

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Tatge
* On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 Javier Rojas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
 Mutt doesn't seem to tag messages which are collapsed. I have a macro
 that marks all the unread messages as read, and now that I'm collapsing
 certain mailboxes, Mutt doesn't tag all the new messages.

Correct. Mutt always work on *visible* messages *only*. You'd have
un-collapse all before doing whatever you're about to do.

 The tag-thread feature (the killer feature of 1.5.13: ~() ) doesn't have
 a consistent behaviour too; tagging al threads with new messages on them
 (~(~N)) tags only the first message of the thread.

ITYM of a collapsed thread. ~(~N) works fine here on un-collapsed
threads. Again mutt only works on visible messages. When you're about to
work on all messages, you have to un-collapse all.
Say you limited to ~N then delete-pattern~f foo. Now there may be a lot
of messages that are ~f foo but not ~N only you don't see them now.
Should mutt delete them? I don't think so. You wouldn't even notice that
mutt matched and deleted those messages because you don't see them.
- Prone to unwanted mail loss.
The some goes for matching messages in collapsed threads.

HTH,

Michael
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Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread Nikola Pavlovic
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:41:15PM -0800, William Yardley wrote:
  
  :source aliasfile
  
  after adding the alias.
 
 Maybe I'm on crack, but I already don't have to source the alias file
 for a new alias to work - after adding it with a, it Just Works.
 
 w


I just tried it. It really does Just Work. Maybe mutt should be
changed to iMutt :))


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mutt does not delete TMP files

2007-02-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello,

I have found an Error in mutt while using IMAP and connecting to courier.

If I enter a Mailfolder with mails, mutt does not only fetch the desired
headers but the whole NEW messages...

And more, while using imap. mut does not more respect $TMP, $TMPDIR,
$TEMP or $TEMPDIR and write to /tmp thousands of files...
   ...and does not delete it!

I have encountered the problem as mutt was not more able to save messages
because I hit the out of inode problem (arround 38.000)

I use Debian Sarge/Etch/Sid and the versions 1.5.9 and 1.5.13

Greetings
Michelle Konzack


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Mutt mixmaster gpg pgp

2007-02-05 Thread gab bag
I'm using mutt with mixmaster and gnupg all fine apart from mixmaster .If i 
send a mail not forwarded by any mix 
chai the mail get delivered right with content , pgp signature and everithing 
.If i send it through a mix chai it 
gets delivered reporting only the pgp signature and no content,i'm not such a 
gnupg experct so why is that ? Thank 
you! If i'd send this mail through a mix chain you wouldn't have read anything 
and is this actual mail correct ? 
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Re: Mutt mixmaster gpg pgp

2007-02-05 Thread Thomas Roessler
I fear that code has gone untested and unmaintained for a long time.

On 2007-02-05 17:49:55 +0100, gab bag wrote:
 From: gab bag [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: mutt-users@mutt.org
 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:49:55 +0100
 Subject: Mutt mixmaster gpg pgp
 X-Spam-Level: 
 
 I'm using mutt with mixmaster and gnupg all fine apart from mixmaster .If i 
 send a mail not forwarded by any mix 
 chai the mail get delivered right with content , pgp signature and everithing 
 .If i send it through a mix chai it 
 gets delivered reporting only the pgp signature and no content,i'm not such a 
 gnupg experct so why is that ? Thank 
 you! If i'd send this mail through a mix chain you wouldn't have read 
 anything and is this actual mail correct ? 
 -- 
 http://tor.gabrix.ath.cx
 
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Re: HTML email, was Re: reading color quoted replies

2007-02-05 Thread Rado S
=- Travis H. wrote on Thu  1.Feb'07 at 23:04:23 -0600 -=

 On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:59:51PM -0500, Marc Vaillant wrote:
  This just isn't realistic. What sort of view of mutt do you
  think an outlook user (potential mutt user) is going to get if
  I tell them Hey check out this great text based MUA that I
  have... only thing is, you know that feature that everyone in
  the office loves to use with their clients, well you have to
  tell them not to use it.
 
 Disclaimer: I am a security enthusiast
 
 I would say your best angle is a security angle. {...}

... one part being the defensive things listed by Travis, but you
also shouldn't forget that some outsiders rate html-ized mails
as spammy, so at least the score increases or in the worst case
it's outright blocked unless white-listed.

If they don't want to change their mind just for you as collegue
to make you more efficient at work, those arguments should make
some responsible dudes think about it.
(min. 50% of my total spam is html-ized: when I explain this to
my partners, they understand and click their box. I haven't heard
any of them complain about having lost quality of life ;)

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jump to last read

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Ebert
hello,

One of the very few features I am missing in Mutt is the ability
to jump to the last read message. This is often available in
newsreaders.

For instance if I sort threads and tab jump to the next unread
message, sometimes I'd like to go back to the last read, and have
to search for it first.

Anybody else interested in such a feature?
Or could it be done with a macro?
Or did I even overlook something?

c
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Re: jump to last read

2007-02-05 Thread David Champion
* On 2007.02.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
*   Christian Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 One of the very few features I am missing in Mutt is the ability
 to jump to the last read message. This is often available in
 newsreaders.
 
 For instance if I sort threads and tab jump to the next unread
 message, sometimes I'd like to go back to the last read, and have
 to search for it first.
 
 Anybody else interested in such a feature?
 Or could it be done with a macro?
 Or did I even overlook something?

http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/sw/mutt/patch-1.5.11.dgc.markmsg.2
provides an operation mark-msg which constructs a macro to search
by Message-ID, using the current message's Message-ID.  It's modelled
on vi's feature to mark lines with m and return to them with '.

For example, if I'm in the pager on Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
then entering mark-msgaenter results in a macro 'a that issues
search~i [EMAIL PROTECTED]enter.

With this patch you could build your feature as a macro (e.g., macro
index space mark-msgpreviousenterdisplay-message; 'previous
to jump back), or you could implement it in code using the same
technique as this patch uses.

-- 
 -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago


Re: jump to last read

2007-02-05 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 the mental interface of
David Champion told:

[...]
  Anybody else interested in such a feature?
  Or could it be done with a macro?
  Or did I even overlook something?
 
 http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/sw/mutt/patch-1.5.11.dgc.markmsg.2
 provides an operation mark-msg which constructs a macro to search
 by Message-ID, using the current message's Message-ID.  It's modelled
 on vi's feature to mark lines with m and return to them with '.
 
 For example, if I'm in the pager on Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 then entering mark-msgaenter results in a macro 'a that issues
 search~i [EMAIL PROTECTED]enter.
 
 With this patch you could build your feature as a macro (e.g., macro
 index space mark-msgpreviousenterdisplay-message; 'previous
 to jump back), or you could implement it in code using the same
 technique as this patch uses.

To be honest, but this sounds like carrying the church arround the
village;)

Why shouldn't it be possible to go back to the n*last read message?
Mutt knows the next message by the unread flag, so it should be easy
to hardcode a n*last_read_message, isn't it?

I am very interested in that feature ;)

Elimar

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Re: jump to last read

2007-02-05 Thread Christian Ebert
* David Champion on Monday, February 05, 2007 at 13:34:26 -0600:
 * On 2007.02.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 * Christian Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For instance if I sort threads and tab jump to the next unread
 message, sometimes I'd like to go back to the last read, and have
 to search for it first.
 
 http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/sw/mutt/patch-1.5.11.dgc.markmsg.2
 provides an operation mark-msg which constructs a macro to search
 by Message-ID, using the current message's Message-ID.  It's modelled
 on vi's feature to mark lines with m and return to them with '.

Hm, nice. But not exactly what I'm after ;) If I new /beforehand/
that I want to go back, I'd probably just tag the message.

OTOH, it sometimes, errh, often happens (and I'm not even talking
about a setup with pager_stop=no) that in my confused state of
mind I just jump to the next message, and, suddenly remember
something of the last message that could be important. In my
newsreader this is simple: I just type l and am in the last
read message, and when I want to continue reading the new
message, I just type l again. That's it.

So I guess what I'm asking for/dreaming of is that Mutt sort of
keeps the last message(-id) marked automatically, ready to jump
back anytime.

Hope I made the case a bit clearer.

c
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Re: reading color quoted replies

2007-02-05 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Feb 01, William Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a vendor who occasionally sends me replies quoted this way.
 What's ironic is that he normally top-posts, and I suspect he's doing it
 this way because *I* normally quote inline in response to him.

I'm sure this happens here; they are pretty happy to top quote back and
forth until I give a detailed properly-quoted response to their thread,
after which they will reply with this color-coded style.  This is either
peer pressure (doubtful) or they see the value in proper quoting and are
trying to do it with what they have (possible).

I could at that point either smack their nose for using HTML (a bad idea
when it's my boss' boss' boss doing it) or I can take some minimal comfort
that at least they're getting the spirit of proper quoting.  And take some
more comfort that I'm following Postel's Law.

Anyway, to the original question: the elinks and links family of text
browsers can render HTML colors as ascii.  If you use those as your HTML
viewers you can get the colors and follow the quoting.


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Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread Jing Xue
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:41:15PM -0800, William Yardley wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:06:52PM +0100, Christian Ebert wrote:
  * Jing Xue on Sunday, February 04, 2007 at 12:16:11 -0500:
 
   I know 'a' adds an alias for the current sender, but is there any other
   more generic way to add alias _and_ make it effective immediately?
  
  :source aliasfile
  
  after adding the alias.
 
 Maybe I'm on crack, but I already don't have to source the alias file
 for a new alias to work - after adding it with a, it Just Works.

Those added with a don't have to be sourced. But a only adds the
sender's address. The only way to add an arbitrary alias seems to be to
edit the alias file directly - and then to make it effective, as
Christian pointed out (would have been obvious had I RTFM ;-)), the alias
file would have to be sourced.

-- 
Jing Xue


Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread Jing Xue
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:36:16AM +0100, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
 On date Sunday 2007-02-04 12:16:11 -0500, Jing Xue muttered:
  I know 'a' adds an alias for the current sender, but is there any other
  more generic way to add alias _and_ make it effective immediately? I can
  start an editor to edit my .mutt/alias but I can't see the changes until
  restarting mutt.
 
 create-alias, usually bound to a, makes the new alias immediately
 effective, and immediately writes the alias in the $alias_file.
 
 Maybe you have to refresh the buffer you're seeing with your editor to
 see the change.

After three people pointed out the obvious, I went back and read my OP
and realized it was indeed confusing. What I meant was to look for some
way to add _any arbitrary_ alias and make it effective immediately.

-- 
Jing Xue


Re: reading color quoted replies

2007-02-05 Thread Kyle Wheeler
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On Monday, February  5 at 05:53 PM, quoth Jeremy Blosser:
 Anyway, to the original question: the elinks and links family of 
 text browsers can render HTML colors as ascii.  If you use those as 
 your HTML viewers you can get the colors and follow the quoting.

It would be really nice if I could convince them to do so in 
combination with the -dump flag, so that I could view the pretty HTML 
*inline*. I heard a rumor that elinks supported --dump-color-mode, 
but... 0.11.1 (the version in Debian stable) does not appear to do so.

~Kyle
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Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 07:18:37PM -0500, Jing Xue wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:36:16AM +0100, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
  On date Sunday 2007-02-04 12:16:11 -0500, Jing Xue muttered:
   I know 'a' adds an alias for the current sender, but is there any other
   more generic way to add alias _and_ make it effective immediately? I can
   start an editor to edit my .mutt/alias but I can't see the changes until
   restarting mutt.
  
  create-alias, usually bound to a, makes the new alias immediately
  effective, and immediately writes the alias in the $alias_file.
  
  Maybe you have to refresh the buffer you're seeing with your editor to
  see the change.
 
 After three people pointed out the obvious, I went back and read my OP
 and realized it was indeed confusing. What I meant was to look for some
 way to add _any arbitrary_ alias and make it effective immediately.

What I always end up doing is a and then editing the alias to be what
I really want. This seems like a silly way to do it, but it's less work
than using an external editor and then sourcing the alias file. I've
often wished for a way to alias something besides the (supposed) sender,
but I don't do it enough to make it worth doing myself. ;)

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Re: problem tagging collapsed messages

2007-02-05 Thread Javier Rojas
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:37:21AM +0100, Michael Tatge wrote:
 * On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 Javier Rojas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
  Mutt doesn't seem to tag messages which are collapsed. I have a macro
  that marks all the unread messages as read, and now that I'm collapsing
  certain mailboxes, Mutt doesn't tag all the new messages.
 
 Correct. Mutt always work on *visible* messages *only*. You'd have
 un-collapse all before doing whatever you're about to do.
mmhhh, but the messages *are* visible. I mean, you know the folder has
collapsed threads. It can even be seen how many messages are collapsed

 
  The tag-thread feature (the killer feature of 1.5.13: ~() ) doesn't have
  a consistent behaviour too; tagging al threads with new messages on them
  (~(~N)) tags only the first message of the thread.
 
 ITYM of a collapsed thread. ~(~N) works fine here on un-collapsed
 threads. Again mutt only works on visible messages. When you're about to
 work on all messages, you have to un-collapse all.
It should tag all messages, whether collapsed or not. After all, it tags
all the *threads* that match a given criteria.

 Say you limited to ~N then delete-pattern~f foo. Now there may be a lot
 of messages that are ~f foo but not ~N only you don't see them now.
 Should mutt delete them? I don't think so. You wouldn't even notice that
 mutt matched and deleted those messages because you don't see them.
 - Prone to unwanted mail loss.
Yep, that should be the expected behaviour, when using limit.

 The some goes for matching messages in collapsed threads.
Collapse and limit are different. When using limit, I'm restricting the
range of my actions (tagging) to a subset of the messages. Collapsing
threads is just a convenient way of presenting the mailbox. So,
collapsing threads should not mess with tagging. It's just a view.


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Javier Rojas

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Re: Add alias during session

2007-02-05 Thread cricketc
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 05:30:03PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 07:18:37PM -0500, Jing Xue wrote:
  On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:36:16AM +0100, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
   On date Sunday 2007-02-04 12:16:11 -0500, Jing Xue muttered:
I know 'a' adds an alias for the current sender, but is there any other
more generic way to add alias _and_ make it effective immediately? I can
start an editor to edit my .mutt/alias but I can't see the changes until
restarting mutt.
   
   create-alias, usually bound to a, makes the new alias immediately
   effective, and immediately writes the alias in the $alias_file.
   
   Maybe you have to refresh the buffer you're seeing with your editor to
   see the change.
  
  After three people pointed out the obvious, I went back and read my OP
  and realized it was indeed confusing. What I meant was to look for some
  way to add _any arbitrary_ alias and make it effective immediately.
 
 What I always end up doing is a and then editing the alias to be what
 I really want. This seems like a silly way to do it, but it's less work
 than using an external editor and then sourcing the alias file. I've
 often wished for a way to alias something besides the (supposed) sender,
 but I don't do it enough to make it worth doing myself. ;)

Is there really no way to do a generic create-alias, where you don't
have to change the information of the current sender? I've often
wanted to do this - just hit 'a', but not have to erase all the
information I don't want first (I just want it blank so I can enter
what I want).

-benjie


toggle-quoted in browser

2007-02-05 Thread Bill
I've found that hitting 'v' in mutt's mail browser, and then typing
uppercase 'T' (while the text portion of the message is selected),
opens, what for me is a cleaner rendering of a message.

Is there anyway to implement this from mutt's browser, without going
through the 'v' 'T' sequence?

(toggle-quoted)

Thanks,

Bill


Re: mutt does not delete TMP files

2007-02-05 Thread Nick Hastings
Hi,

* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070206 01:20]:
 
 I have found an Error in mutt while using IMAP and connecting to courier.
 
 If I enter a Mailfolder with mails, mutt does not only fetch the desired
 headers but the whole NEW messages...

Sorry, I can't help but I can let you know that you aren't alone: I see
the exact same thing.

Anyone know what is going on here?

 And more, while using imap. mut does not more respect $TMP, $TMPDIR,
 $TEMP or $TEMPDIR and write to /tmp thousands of files...
...and does not delete it!

I think you need to define it in your .muttrc Eg.
set tmpdir=~/.tmp

 I have encountered the problem as mutt was not more able to save messages
 because I hit the out of inode problem (arround 38.000)
 
 I use Debian Sarge/Etch/Sid and the versions 1.5.9 and 1.5.13

I'm using 1.5.13-1.1 from Sid.

Cheers,

Nick.

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Re: jump to last read

2007-02-05 Thread Andreas Herceg
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:57:54PM +0100, Christian Ebert wrote:
 * David Champion on Monday, February 05, 2007 at 13:34:26 -0600:
  * On 2007.02.05, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  *   Christian Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]

  http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/sw/mutt/patch-1.5.11.dgc.markmsg.2
  provides an operation mark-msg which constructs a macro to search
  by Message-ID, using the current message's Message-ID.  It's modelled
  on vi's feature to mark lines with m and return to them with '.

 Hm, nice. But not exactly what I'm after ;) If I new /beforehand/
 that I want to go back, I'd probably just tag the message.

 OTOH, it sometimes, errh, often happens (and I'm not even talking
 about a setup with pager_stop=no) that in my confused state of
 mind I just jump to the next message, and, suddenly remember
 something of the last message that could be important. In my
 newsreader this is simple: I just type l and am in the last
 read message, and when I want to continue reading the new
 message, I just type l again. That's it.

 So I guess what I'm asking for/dreaming of is that Mutt sort of
 keeps the last message(-id) marked automatically, ready to jump
 back anytime.

Then to suffice your requirement you could simply bind the
n key to a macro that does the above /and/ executes
search-next. Just an idea, did not try it myself. 

Andreas Herceg


Re: problem tagging collapsed messages

2007-02-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:34:15PM -0500, Javier Rojas wrote:
 The tag-thread feature (the killer feature of 1.5.13: ~() ) doesn't have
 a consistent behaviour too; tagging al threads with new messages on them
 (~(~N)) tags only the first message of the thread.

Maybe its tagging the start of the thread which just happens to be the
first message.

-- 
Chris.
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rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government
conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness.
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