Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

2012-09-18 Thread Jamie Paul Griffin 
[ Lewis Pike wrote on Mon 17.Sep'12 at 17:46:34 -0400 ]
 
> Unfortunately, I'm not on my own domain; just your standard DSL
> Internet service and this probably limits my options somewhat.
 
 I registered my domain with my ISP and have access to my DNS settings
 using a web interface they provide. I also run local DNS servers,
 mainly caching servers to help map local machines I use at home. 

 Your ISP may provide a similar service. There are other ways too, it's
 definitely worth investigating and it's an interesting subject, for me
 anyway. I've learned a lot by doing this.

> I have heard about Offlineimap but have yet to give it a go.  It
> doesn't take Gmail's IMAP implementation out of the equation, which
> others in the thread have suggested is the source of my original
> problems, but it is probably worth playing around with regardless.
> 

I have used offlineimap with Gmail and found it an excellent tool. I
also used it to sync my own local IMAP server which I know other people
do as well. 

I think mutt's IMAP capabilities are excellent. I chose to use local
servers, etc., because I wanted to learn about it all. I'm interested in
DNS and networks and so wanted to get stuck in and use the open source
tools available. It's also part of my degree course so it seemed like a
good way to incorporate my learning in a more practical way.

Managing servers and configuring them is time consuming. Some people
just don't want the hassle which is fair enough, especially if they've
been there and done that. But, if it's something you're interested in
then I personally recommend reading up on it and setting it all up. On
UNIX systems a lot of the networking software is already there. 

Jamie


> I really appreciate the feedback.  It's clear that there's more than
> one way to do it; consequently, I've been curious learn about other
> people's choices and why they like them.
> 
> -- Lewis

Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

2012-09-18 Thread Hratch Megerditchian 
How do I unsubscribe form mutt as I don't want to receive emails

Can you help

-Original Message-
From: owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org [mailto:owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org] On Behalf
Of Jamie Paul Griffin
Sent: 18 September 2012 13:47
To: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

[ Lewis Pike wrote on Mon 17.Sep'12 at 17:46:34 -0400 ]
 
> Unfortunately, I'm not on my own domain; just your standard DSL
> Internet service and this probably limits my options somewhat.
 
 I registered my domain with my ISP and have access to my DNS settings
 using a web interface they provide. I also run local DNS servers,
 mainly caching servers to help map local machines I use at home. 

 Your ISP may provide a similar service. There are other ways too, it's
 definitely worth investigating and it's an interesting subject, for me
 anyway. I've learned a lot by doing this.

> I have heard about Offlineimap but have yet to give it a go.  It
> doesn't take Gmail's IMAP implementation out of the equation, which
> others in the thread have suggested is the source of my original
> problems, but it is probably worth playing around with regardless.
> 

I have used offlineimap with Gmail and found it an excellent tool. I
also used it to sync my own local IMAP server which I know other people
do as well. 

I think mutt's IMAP capabilities are excellent. I chose to use local
servers, etc., because I wanted to learn about it all. I'm interested in
DNS and networks and so wanted to get stuck in and use the open source
tools available. It's also part of my degree course so it seemed like a
good way to incorporate my learning in a more practical way.

Managing servers and configuring them is time consuming. Some people
just don't want the hassle which is fair enough, especially if they've
been there and done that. But, if it's something you're interested in
then I personally recommend reading up on it and setting it all up. On
UNIX systems a lot of the networking software is already there. 

Jamie


> I really appreciate the feedback.  It's clear that there's more than
> one way to do it; consequently, I've been curious learn about other
> people's choices and why they like them.
> 
> -- Lewis


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Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

2012-09-18 Thread Arthur Dent 
> How do I unsubscribe form mutt as I don't want to receive emails
>
> Can you help

In the headers of every email from this list (including this one) you will
find the following text:

List-Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@mutt.org, body only "unsubscribe
mutt-users"

HTH

Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

2012-09-18 Thread Brandon McCaig 
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 04:52:41PM -0400, Lewis Pike wrote:
> I'm certainly not set on IMAP if something else can do the
> trick.  I'm also not opposed to storing my mails locally if
> need be.  Setting up my own SMTP and forwarding to that might
> be interesting exercise. With your particular setup is mutt
> updated on receipt of new emails in near-realtime or do you
> have to periodically poll for them?

I have briefly tried mutt+IMAP with G-mail, but haven't used it
enough to get comfortable with it. What I do know is that the
current setup that I have is unusable due to the size of my
G-mail mailbox. I started to setup OfflineIMAP, but I don't
remember if I ever started using it or not... I digress.

I have been using fetchmail + procmail to fetch and sort mail
(I've been using mbox mailboxes, somewhat arbitrarily). I use
mutt to read and manage mailboxes, and compose messages. I use
msmtp to send mail from mutt. :) I have a macro bound to G that
executes fetchmail to fetch new mail. Periodically (often
whenever I get a free moment to look at mutt) I manually type G.
I have found that it works sufficiently well for my current
needs, though there is certainly room for improvement.

All of my rc files are available in my public GitHub repo:

https://github.com/bamccaig/rc/
git://github.com/bamccaig/rc.git

.fetchmailrc
.muttrc
.msmtprc
[.netrc]
.procmailrc

In order to be able to track them publicly like that I keep
credentials (i.e., passwords) separately in a .netrc file. There
is a template in the repo that you can use if you're unfamiliar
with it. As a general rule, you want most of these files to have
restricted privileges (e.g., 0600) so nobody else on the system
can read [or write] them.

As always, if you spot something in that repo that shouldn't be
public then please let me know. :)

Regards,


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Re: "Mailbox closed" mutt behaviour

2012-09-18 Thread Lewis Pike 
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:29:24PM -0400, Brandon McCaig wrote:
> I have briefly tried mutt+IMAP with G-mail, but haven't used it
> enough to get comfortable with it. What I do know is that the
> current setup that I have is unusable due to the size of my G-mail
> mailbox. I started to setup OfflineIMAP, but I don't remember if I
> ever started using it or not... I digress.

I ran into a similar problem using mutt to access Gmail via IMAP.  The
large size of my inbox made access times extremely slow.  As a fix, I
set mutt's header_cache and message_cachedir variables in my .muttrc
file like so.

  set header_cache = "~/.mutt/cache/headers"
  set message_cachedir = "~/.mutt/cache/bodies"

This sped things up a bit but not enough to make things usable.  So
I've adapted the way I use my inbox and now I periodically delete any
messages in my inbox older than two weeks.  This keeps my inbox pretty
lean but still retains messages long enough that can usually preserve
the context of lengthy mailing list threads.

I've found that with Gmail at least, deleting messages from your inbox
doesn't actually erase anything.  A copy of every message is retained
and is accessible from the "[Gmail]/All Mail" IMAP folder.  I believe
messages need to be explicitly moved to [Gmail]/Trash before Gmail
will actually delete them.

This setup requires only a Gmail account and mutt it's pretty easy to
get up and running.  The fact that my connection to Gmail will time
out seemingly at random is frustrating, and so far this is really the
only major annoyance I've encountered.  Perhaps mutt has a
configuration setting that can keep the connection alive.  I will have
to poke around and see if I can make the problem disappear.

> I have been using fetchmail + procmail to fetch and sort mail (I've
> been using mbox mailboxes, somewhat arbitrarily). I use mutt to read
> and manage mailboxes, and compose messages. I use msmtp to send mail
> from mutt. :) I have a macro bound to G that executes fetchmail to
> fetch new mail. Periodically (often whenever I get a free moment to
> look at mutt) I manually type G.  I have found that it works
> sufficiently well for my current needs, though there is certainly
> room for improvement.
> 
> All of my rc files are available in my public GitHub repo:
> 
> https://github.com/bamccaig/rc/
> git://github.com/bamccaig/rc.git
> 
> .fetchmailrc
> .muttrc
> .msmtprc
> [.netrc]
> .procmailrc
> 
> In order to be able to track them publicly like that I keep
> credentials (i.e., passwords) separately in a .netrc file. There is
> a template in the repo that you can use if you're unfamiliar with
> it. As a general rule, you want most of these files to have
> restricted privileges (e.g., 0600) so nobody else on the system can
> read [or write] them.
> 
> As always, if you spot something in that repo that shouldn't be
> public then please let me know. :)

I also want to toy around with fetchmail, procmail, and the like,
mostly for my own curiosity.  Being able to poke around someone else's
setup will really help me in putting all the pieces together; this
is much appreciated!

-- Lewis

Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread Jim Graham 
I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I was
using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't remember),
and if I remeember correctly, not much else.

Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
of the very few that did).

Thanks,
   --jim

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Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread mutt 
m...@raf.org wrote:

> Jim Graham wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I was
> > using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
> > html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
> > as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't remember),
> > and if I remeember correctly, not much else.
> > 
> > Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
> > RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
> > of the very few that did).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> >--jim
> 
> hi jim,
> 
> it was probably text/richtext (not application/x-rtf).

oops. i mean text/enriched.

> the rfc is http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1523.txt
> eudora knew about it as well.
> 
> cheers,
> raf
>

Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread Jim Graham 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:32:59PM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote:
> m...@raf.org wrote:
> 
> > Jim Graham wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I was
> > > using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
> > > html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
> > > as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't remember),
> > > and if I remeember correctly, not much else.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
> > > RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
> > > of the very few that did).

> > it was probably text/richtext (not application/x-rtf).
> 
> oops. i mean text/enriched.
> 
> > the rfc is http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1523.txt

I thought I remembered it having an FLA like HTML, only different.  I
could be wrong, though...it's been a long time.  And I did stumble across
text/enriched, and either my little test was broken, or Mutt no longer
supports it.  Is it a dead RFC?

Thanks,
   --jim

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Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread mutt 
Jim Graham wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:32:59PM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote:
> > m...@raf.org wrote:
> > 
> > > Jim Graham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I was
> > > > using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
> > > > html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
> > > > as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't remember),
> > > > and if I remeember correctly, not much else.
> > > > 
> > > > Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
> > > > RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
> > > > of the very few that did).
> 
> > > it was probably text/richtext (not application/x-rtf).
> > 
> > oops. i mean text/enriched.
> > 
> > > the rfc is http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1523.txt
> 
> I thought I remembered it having an FLA like HTML, only different.  I
> could be wrong, though...it's been a long time.  And I did stumble across
> text/enriched, and either my little test was broken, or Mutt no longer
> supports it.  Is it a dead RFC?
> 
> Thanks,
>--jim

according to wikipedia (no citation):

 As of 2012, enriched text remained almost unknown in e-mail traffic,
 while HTML e-mail is widely used.

the latest rfc is rfc1896 from 1996 in the legacy stream.
it sounds deadish.

but my sister was using it with eudora3 until a few months ago
(believe it or not).

the last text/enriched email i have in my inbox was from 22 Apr 2009
(i started translated them automatically upon arrival to plain text
so i probably received some since then) and mutt definitely still
knows what it is and renders it sensibly.

at least my Mutt 1.5.21 (2010-09-15) on my ubuntu-11.04 system at home
can render it but my Mutt 1.5.20 (2009-06-14) on a debian-6.0 system
doesn't render it at all. that's odd. they have the same compile options
but different patches.

according to http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-5.html, mutt
supports text/enriched internally so it should always work.

cheers,
raf

Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread Hratch Megerditchian 
How do I unsubscribe from mutt as I don't want to receive any emails from
mutt

Can you help

-Original Message-
From: owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org [mailto:owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org] On Behalf
Of Jim Graham
Sent: 19 September 2012 07:39
To: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:32:59PM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote:
> m...@raf.org wrote:
> 
> > Jim Graham wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I was
> > > using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
> > > html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
> > > as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't remember),
> > > and if I remeember correctly, not much else.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
> > > RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
> > > of the very few that did).

> > it was probably text/richtext (not application/x-rtf).
> 
> oops. i mean text/enriched.
> 
> > the rfc is http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1523.txt

I thought I remembered it having an FLA like HTML, only different.  I
could be wrong, though...it's been a long time.  And I did stumble across
text/enriched, and either my little test was broken, or Mutt no longer
supports it.  Is it a dead RFC?

Thanks,
   --jim

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Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

2012-09-18 Thread Hratch Megerditchian 
How can I unsubscribe from mutt as I don't want to receive emails

Can you help

-Original Message-
From: owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org [mailto:owner-mutt-us...@mutt.org] On Behalf
Of m...@raf.org
Sent: 19 September 2012 08:55
To: mutt-users@mutt.org
Subject: Re: Old e-mail markup language RFC ?

Jim Graham wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:32:59PM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote:
> > m...@raf.org wrote:
> > 
> > > Jim Graham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'm not sure of the exact year, but somewhere around 1996--1997, I
was
> > > > using an e-mail markup language that was similar in some respects to
> > > > html, but it wasn't html.  It was limited to simple text markup such
> > > > as bold, simple colors, *maybe* italic and underline (don't
remember),
> > > > and if I remeember correctly, not much else.
> > > > 
> > > > Does anyone remember what that is (or was) called, and/or what the
> > > > RFC for it is?  I do remember that Mutt supported it (and it was one
> > > > of the very few that did).
> 
> > > it was probably text/richtext (not application/x-rtf).
> > 
> > oops. i mean text/enriched.
> > 
> > > the rfc is http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1523.txt
> 
> I thought I remembered it having an FLA like HTML, only different.  I
> could be wrong, though...it's been a long time.  And I did stumble across
> text/enriched, and either my little test was broken, or Mutt no longer
> supports it.  Is it a dead RFC?
> 
> Thanks,
>--jim

according to wikipedia (no citation):

 As of 2012, enriched text remained almost unknown in e-mail traffic,
 while HTML e-mail is widely used.

the latest rfc is rfc1896 from 1996 in the legacy stream.
it sounds deadish.

but my sister was using it with eudora3 until a few months ago
(believe it or not).

the last text/enriched email i have in my inbox was from 22 Apr 2009
(i started translated them automatically upon arrival to plain text
so i probably received some since then) and mutt definitely still
knows what it is and renders it sensibly.

at least my Mutt 1.5.21 (2010-09-15) on my ubuntu-11.04 system at home
can render it but my Mutt 1.5.20 (2009-06-14) on a debian-6.0 system
doesn't render it at all. that's odd. they have the same compile options
but different patches.

according to http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-5.html, mutt
supports text/enriched internally so it should always work.

cheers,
raf



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