Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:01:12PM -0500, Cooper T53 wrote: - other? roxterm And why? It has almost the same features that gnome-terminal but it is lighter. With limited machine I use xterm. -- Gérard
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
* Cooper T53 ana...@gmx.net [2009-10-07 21:01 -0500]: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? Currently using GNOME Terminal because it works fine for me; not as much because I prefer it above all others. While using KDE, I've happily used Konsole. rxvt and rxvt-unicode have served me well also. Though, xterm or rxvt-unicode would be more serviceable now for Unicode support. And why? It just works. :-) And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Dark background, light text. Usually light gray on black. I'm currently using the Rxvt color scheme for GNOME Terminal. Was previously using Tango but found to be too... subdued. The Rxvt color scheme has a crisp appearance to me. Linux console would be my second choice of color scheme. I've used a similar color schema when using Konsole as well. Also, I've gone back to a solid background, no transparency. While transparency looks neat, eventually I find it not as good for readability. I use konsole, its pretty slow compared to others, but with all the extra set of features + bells and whistles included, tabbing, and more importantly my mutt color settings just look so w0W in konsole, and like wise the fixed/smooth font is so readable... Tabs are a feature for which I've never found much use in a terminal. However, I am a religious user of GNU screen.
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:30:47AM -0400, James Michael Fultz wrote: Dark background, light text. Usually light gray on black. I'm currently using the Rxvt color scheme for GNOME Terminal. Was previously using Tango but found to be too... subdued. The Rxvt color scheme has a crisp appearance to me. Linux console would be my second choice of color scheme. I've used a similar color schema when using Konsole as well. How to set bg/fg for xterm so that the color is the exact same with which for console(the real console, not x terminal)? I find console has the beautiful font displaying and soft seeing fg/bg effect, don't know how to set it for xterm to the same. (I have to use x terminal for Chinese showing.) -- Hi, Wu, Yue
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
Le 08/10/09 à 04:09, Cooper T53 téléscripta : Here's a quÑ–ck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã?²is one) - konsole - other? At first it was rxvt-unicode (flexible, light, utf-8 enabled...). But now it's terminator[1] mamimized, borderless and with extreme_tabs :) And why? It's based on vte so it's as light (heavy?) and feature-full as gnome-terminal plus it as an amazing splitting/tabbing facility: you can cut a terminal in two, either horizontally or vertically, as deeply as you want and you can even add tabs to the new sub terminal (with extreme_tabs on). It's also possible to drag and drop terminal from tabs to tabs. There is also a zooming/maximize feature that is very handy. Simultaneous typing to arbitrary groups of terminals is also nice. Using wide screens I like to be able to have two term side by side and with terminator it's easy to do this in one single window, allowing you to easily resize them. Now I just have to open one terminator window by screen :) But sometimes I get some troubles with extreme tags (I think): some times when closing multiple terms from a tab, the last terms of the tab are hidden under a tab wide grey area and are no more accessible for closing/working, I have to close the window (the other tabs are not affected). (I will have to test a bit more before reporting a bug.) But as terminator is so confortable/flexible I stick to it. :) And while I am at it, dark background or light background? White on black, no transparency, Tango theme and Inconsolata as font. Ref: [1]- http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/ Cheers, Baptiste -- Baptiste Grenier HealthGrid Systems Administrator PGP: 0x069112E2Mobile: +33 628 822 270 http://healthgrid.org (Tel|Fax): +33 (0) 473 405 (155|002) 36 rue Charles de Montesquieu - 63430 Pont du Château - France pgpt7XEohGxTe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:01:12PM -0500, Cooper T53 wrote: Here's a qu??ck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried t??²is one) - konsole - other? uxterm And why? It's much faster compared to e.g. gnome-terminal and is unicode-aware. And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Light. Like pen on paper and in books. Maybe its ugly to someone's taste, but you can see it here: http://landau.phys.spbu.ru/~kirr/mutt-lightbg.png Kirill
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:01:12PM -0500, Cooper T53 wrote: Here's a qu??ck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? xterm only Light and fast. Serves my needs Black on white for me. Getting old and white on black is hard for my eyes.
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
* Wu, Yue vano...@gmail.com [2009-10-08 16:31 +0800]: How to set bg/fg for xterm so that the color is the exact same with which for console(the real console, not x terminal)? I find console has the beautiful font displaying and soft seeing fg/bg effect, don't know how to set it for xterm to the same. (I have to use x terminal for Chinese showing.) Edit or create an '~/.Xresources' with appropriate resource settings (in this case, XTerm*color0 - XTerm*color15). I'd have to dig up the color scheme to match the Linux console, but some searching of the Web should find it. OK, here you go, drawn from GNOME Terminal's preferences. XTerm*color0: rgb:00/00/00 XTerm*color1: rgb:AA/00/00 XTerm*color2: rgb:00/AA/00 XTerm*color3: rgb:AA/55/00 XTerm*color4: rgb:00/00/AA XTerm*color5: rgb:AA/00/AA XTerm*color6: rgb:00/AA/AA XTerm*color7: rgb:AA/AA/AA XTerm*color8: rgb:55/55/55 XTerm*color9: rgb:FF/55/55 XTerm*color10: rgb:55/FF/55 XTerm*color11: rgb:FF/FF/55 XTerm*color12: rgb:55/55/FF XTerm*color13: rgb:FF/55/FF XTerm*color14: rgb:55/FF/FF XTerm*color15: rgb:FF/FF/FF
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
Quoting Cooper T53 (ana...@gmx.net): Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - gnome terminal I prefer xterm, from my Debian days where i didn't use any 'desktop environment' like the Gnome- or KDE suite. But as i am now an Ubuntu user, i switched to Gnome terminal 'because it's part of the system i'm working with'. I did tweak Gnome terminal to behave like xterm. No menus, no scrollbars, just a plain terminal with xterm color-scheme, white text on black background. I do kinda like the tabs feature of gnome-terminal at special occasions. -Sndr. -- | When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds. | 4096R/6D40 - 1A20 B9AA 87D4 84C7 FBD6 F3A9 9442 20CC 6CD2
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
Cooper T53 ana...@gmx.net wrote: Here's a quÑck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã²is one) - konsole - other? fbpad (uses linux framebuffer). It uses libfreetype for handling truetype fonts. http://repo.or.cz/w/fbpad.git And why? Since I use linux framebuffer only and fbcon has limitations. http://litcave.berlios.de And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Light background. Ali
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On 08Oct2009 03:30, James Michael Fultz croo...@gmail.com wrote: | * Cooper T53 ana...@gmx.net [2009-10-07 21:01 -0500]: | Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? | | Currently using GNOME Terminal because it works fine for me; not as much | because I prefer it above all others. While using KDE, I've happily | used Konsole. In a former life without my usual desktop I was using Konsole and moved to gnome-terminal purely because Konsole ignored Shift-Return, a typing error I make quite often. Gnome-terminal took it as plain Return and my stress level reduced. | Also, I've gone back to a solid background, no transparency. While | transparency looks neat, eventually I find it not as good for | readability. I like my eye candy, though I do ensure the transparency dims the background to about 75% of its basic brightness, and the background is usually a darkish image with low features, such as a space nebula or something like that. | I use konsole, its pretty slow compared to others, but with | all the extra set of features + bells and whistles included, | tabbing, and more importantly my mutt color settings just | look so w0W in konsole, and like wise the fixed/smooth font | is so readable... | | Tabs are a feature for which I've never found much use in a terminal. With plenty of screen space and easy window sizing/positioning I prefer lots of terminals (and desktops) to lots of tabs. But on a MacBook Air with small screen and lousy window positioning I just make a full screen terminal and use lots of tabs with descriptive title bars. | However, I am a religious user of GNU screen. I probably use it less than you, except for long running things that I expect to detach from. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ TeX: When you pronounce it correctly to your computer, the terminal may become slightly moist. - D. E. Knuth.
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Thu 08 Oct 2009 at 02:14:32 PDT Michael wrote: Black on white for me. Getting old and white on black is hard for my eyes. Good to know I'm not the only one! I read somewhere that when your eyes get older, they have more difficulty picking out the subtle differences between light shapes on a dark background. I know that's true for me. When I was younger, I did all my programming with the lights out and a black background to my screens. If I try that now, I find I have a hard time focusing and keeping track of which line I'm on. No such problems when I use a light background.
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
* On 08 Oct 2009, Charlie Kester wrote: On Thu 08 Oct 2009 at 02:14:32 PDT Michael wrote: Black on white for me. Getting old and white on black is hard for my eyes. Good to know I'm not the only one! I read somewhere that when your eyes get older, they have more difficulty picking out the subtle differences between light shapes on a dark background. I know that's true for me. When I was younger, I did all my programming with the lights out and a black background to my screens. If I try that now, I find I have a hard time focusing and keeping track of which line I'm on. No such problems when I use a light background. I certainly like my books printed dark on light, but screens are a different matter: light emission, not light reflection. I find that I can get more legible contrast from light text on dark background than from dark on light, after taking into account the range of ANSI colors that I want to read (which generally aren't part of book-reading, either.) I use #b8b8d8 on #282840 for mutt. High contrast is very hard on my eyes whether it's b-w or w-b. -- -D.d...@uchicago.eduNSITUniversity of Chicago
Terminal for mutt (Poll)
Here's a quÑck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã²is one) - konsole - other? And why? And while I am at it, dark background or light background? I use konsole, its pretty slow compared to others, but with all the extra set of features + bells and whistles included, tabbing, and more importantly my mutt color settings just look so w0W in konsole, and like wise the fixed/smooth font is so readable... -- __ _The Lotus 78 (John Players Special) [ ]_.--'_'._ Notice the greater rake on the main bodywork `( o )_Lotus__(o)Z and the extension through to the rear wing.
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:01:12PM -0500, Cooper T53 wrote: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã²is one) - konsole - other? And why? And while I am at it, dark background or light background? xterm, since it's fast, slick, and no-nonsense (for me. May not hold for others). And, I always prefer a dark background since I believe it's easier on my eyes. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wednesday, October 7 at 09:01 PM, quoth Cooper T53: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? I *prefer* xterm-unicode, but I typically use Apple's Terminal.app. And why? Xterm is blazing fast, full-featured, and very compatible with just about everything. Apple's Terminal.app, on the other hand, (when sufficiently customized to resemble Xterm) is less of a pain on OSX, has a nicer scroll bar, and works better with the copy/paste stuff. It used to be painfully slow, but it's gotten much better. And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Dark. ~Kyle - -- Anger is never without Reason, but seldom with a good One. -- Benjamin Franklin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJKzVWMAAoJECuveozR/AWeVB4QAI4om2o6zqwas6V4f+oC4E1A TkypD2ll99BD3i2JO+Xc6zJyMGWxIky5yySpX6WsoqYytYw1CITtZhqHRCtVJRRa KfkOg+h62fgRM/vtYPM8Zg4r8QXy6vLy289gVvaNQNtHgI0n6FIK8H0/uYamvF81 nZnBwmYPKdA7QlUnrRZyZhzKNBaoMUcds0RpfM7n3KGf36w55QoEBs8dhodjVJ1p Fa7INBzt0+gP9YJqkmwmxoe9mdE6aYlY3xgF9KtPtfuggcA+/zGy35ga+mjxVRQ4 X7eeE/FcJQ47cppbDBjfG911zi/nykhfEp7DKEE2eOUB4cyf8C5+ptYfLXtUz8AI p1cDr8AxthIt9U0VCahZg2VAt7EsqOcpLJndXzO9G9JAALJ8YTA+cObR3JYYKbaQ x/fA1H7Brfd+fJnxRXI2rEl0iqFlqHkldIe0KG8JuIIBq3+z1aSyNPpk7huxZddN R5emCHNiW9E2kNFesZg5XncG4/7qbsHKKc5S9cP8SblT4txuCfJ4dpWcJV6g5t2B 6nTpuqpmTYCISqGbIJ6DhTKO/KdIhH1pLPCZDNkDYDwmi556ildNdlP9j0iRRttS 8JIiEoETDc2hSq4V9G7N141tU+lc8K09sMQ5f7qACP1j9UVTSTgwE/LnexM5NOta Vy9iB6y0GL+GAky+ayJ9 =d1AU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On 07Oct2009 21:59, Kyle Wheeler kyle-m...@memoryhole.net wrote: | On Wednesday, October 7 at 09:01 PM, quoth Cooper T53: | Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? | | I *prefer* xterm-unicode, but I typically use Apple's Terminal.app. I prefer rxvt-unicode, but I typically use Apple's Terminal.app. | And why? | | Xterm is blazing fast, full-featured, and very compatible with just | about everything. Apple's Terminal.app, on the other hand, (when | sufficiently customized to resemble Xterm) is less of a pain on OSX, | has a nicer scroll bar, and works better with the copy/paste stuff. It | used to be painfully slow, but it's gotten much better. rxvt-unicode is pretty flexible about looking for other fonts if the default font lacks coverage for certain characters and lets you run a urxvtd to manage all the terminal windows, and use urxvtc to request a fresh terminal; lighter on the process list. I confess I've never used xterm-unicode; I have found xterm itself very fast, much faster that iTerm and maybe Terminal even under X11 on a Mac. So's rxvt-unicode on a Mac. I'd like to be using iTerm instead of Terminal (better tab support, tab labelling, cut/paste lets me skip the annoying cmd-C step). But iTerm has big performance issues with lots of (even several) terminals or long terminal histories; I suspect some of this may be memory footprint and the lack of RAM in this MacBook Air - it gets very stupid when it starts to page. | And while I am at it, dark background or light background? | | Dark. Dark. -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Mac OS X. Because making Unix user-friendly is easier than debugging Windows. - Mike Dawson, Macintosh Systems Administrator and Consultation. mdaw...@mac.com http://herowars.onestop.net
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On Wed 07 Oct 2009 at 19:01:12 PDT Cooper T53 wrote: Here's a quÑck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã²is one) - konsole - other? On my Mac, I use iTerm. I started using it back when Apple's terminal.app didn't have tabs, and haven't seen any reason to change. On my FreeBSD machine, I use the xfce terminal. I used to use xterm, but a while ago I was setting up a new machine and just didn't feel like going through the usual rigamarole to set the xterm font to the one I like. I've since switched the window manager on that machine to musca, but I'm still using the xfce terminal. It's reasonably lighweight and does what I want. And why? And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Light background. I'm 58, and my old eyes have trouble resolving light text on a dark background. Especially if I'm reading a lot of text for a long period of time. You didn't ask, but all of my books have black text on white paper too. ;-)
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
On 2009-10-07, Cooper T53 ana...@gmx.net wrote: Here's a quÑck poll: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? - a/e/x/wterm - rxvt - rxvt-unicode - mrxvt - gnome terminal - xfce terminal (haven't tried tã²is one) - konsole - other? And why? xterm on Linux at work. It's there; it just works. I've used xterm with mutt on HP-UX and Solaris, too. Until I started using Linux, I built xterm myself on those systems so I'd have an up to date version with color. rxvt on Cygwin and Windows XP at home. When I started using Cygwin it was the only terminal available that didn't require X. I've just stuck with it. And while I am at it, dark background or light background? Dark background. Black or very close. Light gray normal text. It doesn't seem as glaring or as harsh as black on white. Especially in a dark room. Some degree of habit, too. All the computers and terminals I used at first had only light text on dark backgrounds. I just like it. Regards, Gary
Re: Terminal for mutt (Poll)
* Cooper T53 schrieb am Mittwoch, den 07. Oktober 2009: Which terminal do you prefer for mutt? xterm and Gnome Terminal. And why? xterm is fast and very powerfull. And the Gnome Terminal has nice features like clickable links. And while I am at it, dark background or light background? ,[ .Xressources ]- | | xterm*background: AntiqueWhite | xterm*foreground: black ` Andreas
