Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 08:46:34AM -0700, Peter Jaques wrote: > Ok, does anyone know of a mailing list where i might be able to ask such > questions? Obviously this is annoying you all. Just to respond to Claus's > questions: > > > 2. I don't see your problem > the problem is that the return-path is getting set to be the very first > sending address, ie mugwort@localhost. this makes the mailing list software > reject the message, since that address is not subscribed. Headers 'Received from' is NOT for replying and so on. In my message you'd see the same headers, but all mailers should reply to me correctly. e.g. to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to dennis@localhost If you've the software, that relying on Received from's you need to change it urgent! (IMHO) -- Dennis Melentyev C/C++ programmer @ Mebius-KB, Kiev, Ukraine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000, Peter Jaques wrote: > Ok, does anyone know of a mailing list where i might be able to ask such > questions? Obviously this is annoying you all. Just to respond to Claus's > questions: news:comp.mail.sendmail > > 2. I don't see your problem > the problem is that the return-path is getting set to be the very first > sending address, ie mugwort@localhost. this makes the mailing list software > reject the message, since that address is not subscribed. The e-mail you quoted didn't contain a Return-Path: header at all. According to the "From " line, the Return-Path: header should be fine (as I explained before). You can see what sendmail does by using: sendmail -bt ? /tryflags es /try esmtp mugworth /try esmtp mugworth@localhost etc...
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
Ok, does anyone know of a mailing list where i might be able to ask such questions? Obviously this is annoying you all. Just to respond to Claus's questions: > 2. I don't see your problem the problem is that the return-path is getting set to be the very first sending address, ie mugwort@localhost. this makes the mailing list software reject the message, since that address is not subscribed. thanks for the suggestions re sendmail.cf & lookout. i'll check on those. take care peter -- Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000, Peter Jaques wrote: > here are the headers from a message i sent from mutt to my other account: > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 4 17:06:04 2000 That's what you want right? > Received: (from mugwort@localhost) > by sol.A (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28485; > Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > if you see the lowest "received" header, it says (from mugwort@localhost), > & later (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]). if i send a similar message from > outlook, there's no trace of the local account. This is where the problem > lies-- the remote MTA is picking "mugwort@localhost" rather than > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". can y'all think of any way to hide the local address? > an outgoing mail filter/procmail recipe or somesuch? is that possible with > mutt? > > i'm sorry if this is off-topic for mutt; but i suspect the solution will > lie in mutt's config, e.g. with some mail-out filter, if such is possible. It is a sendmail configuration "problem", or better: a problem what you want to achieve... It says (from mugwort@localhost) because that's your account. What do you care about this header? It is used for tracing/troubleshooting only. So: 1. it's off-topic for mutt 2. I don't see your problem 3. If you have to hide something, edit the Received: header definition... (see cf/README and doc/op/op.me in your sendmail distribution). 4. LookOut probably uses SMTP to submit e-mails, so sendmail can't find out who's talking to it unless identd is running (which of course isn't...)
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
here are the headers from a message i sent from mutt to my other account: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 4 17:06:04 2000 Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [207.181.194.98]) by occs.cs.oberlin.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA19065 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA50502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.A (207-172-166-28.s28.tnt1.sfrn.ca.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.166.28]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA97826; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mugwort@localhost) by sol.A (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28485; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:04:08 -0700 From: Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [kl] Just wondering ... Message-ID: <20001004170408.A28441@sol> if you see the lowest "received" header, it says (from mugwort@localhost), & later (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]). if i send a similar message from outlook, there's no trace of the local account. This is where the problem lies-- the remote MTA is picking "mugwort@localhost" rather than "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". can y'all think of any way to hide the local address? an outgoing mail filter/procmail recipe or somesuch? is that possible with mutt? i'm sorry if this is off-topic for mutt; but i suspect the solution will lie in mutt's config, e.g. with some mail-out filter, if such is possible. thanks in advance... peter On 4 Oct 00, 7:12AM, Claus Assmann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 04, 2000, Peter Jaques wrote: > > it does; i used to get all the "x-authentication-warning"s, till i changed > > my sendmail.cf. & sendmail IS honoring the -f; it correctly sets the > > "From " header. it just doesn't set "Return-path" right. > > This is somewhat off-topic for mutt... > > The Return-Path: header is set by the receiving MTA (based on the > envelope sender). You can't set the former (but the latter). If > your e-mail address is rewritten (masquerading, genericstable, > CNAME, ...), then the receiving system may use a different address > then the one you specified with -f. -- Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000, Peter Jaques wrote: > it does; i used to get all the "x-authentication-warning"s, till i changed > my sendmail.cf. & sendmail IS honoring the -f; it correctly sets the > "From " header. it just doesn't set "Return-path" right. This is somewhat off-topic for mutt... The Return-Path: header is set by the receiving MTA (based on the envelope sender). You can't set the former (but the latter). If your e-mail address is rewritten (masquerading, genericstable, CNAME, ...), then the receiving system may use a different address then the one you specified with -f.
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 04 Oct 2000: > it does; i used to get all the "x-authentication-warning"s, till i changed > my sendmail.cf. & sendmail IS honoring the -f; it correctly sets the > "From " header. it just doesn't set "Return-path" right. That doesn't make sense. The "From " and "Return-Path" are the same thing just in different guises, it is the envelope sender information (which is what's specified with -f). In mbox folder format, the return-path (evenlope sender) is recorded in the "From " header (it's not really a header, actually, more as just the message separator). Some MTAs will also include the value in a Return-Path header. However, while the mail is in transit (after it has been sent but before it has been processed by recipient) the envelope sender is in fact not specified in the headers, it travels "outside" of the actual mail message data. Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / "I don't know how you do it, but it's lifting me" -- The Corrs
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
it does; i used to get all the "x-authentication-warning"s, till i changed my sendmail.cf. & sendmail IS honoring the -f; it correctly sets the "From " header. it just doesn't set "Return-path" right. peter On 3 Oct 00, 2:23PM, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > If you're passing -f to sendmail (either manually or via $envelop_from), > and sendmail isn't honoring it, I'd suggest you check your sendmail > configuration to make sure it allows users to make use of -f. I don't know > what you'd check, I don't use sendmail. -- Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
Peter Jaques [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > hi kids... on one of the mailing lists i'm subscribed to, none of my > messages get through. the problem is that i'm subscribed as > [EMAIL PROTECTED], but mutt & sendmail set my Return-Path to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], which doesn't even exist (mugwort is my local username on > the freebsd box; dnai is my isp). their maillist software requires that the > return-path be the same as my subscription address. > > i have in .muttrc these relevant lines: > >set envelope_from=yes > >set [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > i've also tried: > >my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oem -oi' > >my_hdr Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > is there any way to do this, or am i doomed to actually go to yahoo to use > this mailing list?? If you're passing -f to sendmail (either manually or via $envelop_from), and sendmail isn't honoring it, I'd suggest you check your sendmail configuration to make sure it allows users to make use of -f. I don't know what you'd check, I don't use sendmail. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win PGP signature
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
Using a large mallet, Peter Jaques whacked out: > i've tried that & all the other things i mentioned in my previous post. Puzzling ... +suresh > > peter > > On 3 Oct 00, 11:19AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > Peter Jaques proclaimed on mutt-users that: > > > > > >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oem -oi' > > > > /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -oi -oem -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In newer (1.2.x) mutts, set envelope_from should do. > > > > -- > > Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis > > mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI > > The New England Journal of Medicine reports that 9 out of 10 doctors agree > > that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot. > > -- > Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques > klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI Creditor, n.: A man who has a better memory than a debtor.
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
i've tried that & all the other things i mentioned in my previous post. peter On 3 Oct 00, 11:19AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Peter Jaques proclaimed on mutt-users that: > > > >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oem -oi' > > /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -oi -oem -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In newer (1.2.x) mutts, set envelope_from should do. > > -- > Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis > mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI > The New England Journal of Medicine reports that 9 out of 10 doctors agree > that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot. -- Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners
Re: mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
Peter Jaques proclaimed on mutt-users that: > >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oem -oi' /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -oi -oem -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] In newer (1.2.x) mutts, set envelope_from should do. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + Wallopus Malletus Indigenensis mallet @ cluestick.org + Lumber Cartel of India, tinlcI The New England Journal of Medicine reports that 9 out of 10 doctors agree that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot.
mutt/sendmail mailing list problem
hi kids... on one of the mailing lists i'm subscribed to, none of my messages get through. the problem is that i'm subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but mutt & sendmail set my Return-Path to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which doesn't even exist (mugwort is my local username on the freebsd box; dnai is my isp). their maillist software requires that the return-path be the same as my subscription address. i have in .muttrc these relevant lines: >set envelope_from=yes >set [EMAIL PROTECTED] i've also tried: >my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oem -oi' >my_hdr Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is there any way to do this, or am i doomed to actually go to yahoo to use this mailing list?? thanks peter -- Peter Jaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques klezmer&balkan&turkish clarinet; free food&shelter; books to prisoners PGP signature
