Re: save-hook II
Martin Keseg - Sun Slovakia - SE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > btw which manual do you using ? http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ ? I use the manual that comes with Mutt: /opt/mutt/doc/mutt/manual.txt. It might be /usr/local/lib/mutt/manual.txt on your system, or wherever. -- David DeSimone | "The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid." -- Gilbert K. Chesterson UX WTEC Engineer |PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: save-hook II
David DeSimone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Mikko Hänninen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The problem here is that the default behaviour for mutt for the save > > command (using the user's username from the email address) can not be > > re-established in any way once you have specified a default save-hook > > (save-hook . +folder, or using ~A, or whatever). > > Is that true? The manual lists the following expando: > > %O (_O_riginal save folder) Where mutt would formerly have stashed > the message: list name or recipient name if no list > > It seems like a rule like this could be made to work: > > save-hook . =%O > Hi, yes this is exactly what I need. You can define for example this: folder-hook . 'save-hook .* =%O' folder-hook +work 'save-hook .* =work-done' so if you are in folder =work every save will be have default filename set to =work-done btw which manual do you using ? http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ ? -- Keso be smart, don't be retard!
Re: save-hook II
David DeSimone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, 27 Sep 1999: > save-hook . =%O Without trying that out, if it works, it's exactly what I was after. Thanks. :) Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / No computers were harmed during the creation of this email.
Re: save-hook II
Mikko Hänninen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem here is that the default behaviour for mutt for the save > command (using the user's username from the email address) can not be > re-established in any way once you have specified a default save-hook > (save-hook . +folder, or using ~A, or whatever). Is that true? The manual lists the following expando: %O (_O_riginal save folder) Where mutt would formerly have stashed the message: list name or recipient name if no list It seems like a rule like this could be made to work: save-hook . =%O -- David DeSimone | "The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid." -- Gilbert K. Chesterson UX WTEC Engineer |PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: save-hook II
David DeSimone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, 27 Sep 1999: > For instance, perhaps I am reading mail in my mutt-users folder. Then > something jogs my memory, and I realize I need to send mail to my friend > Joe. Are you saying that, just because I am viewing mail in my > mutt-users folder, that my letter to Joe should be saved there instead > of my usual Fcc? No, I'm not saying that. The question was about save-hooks, not fcc-hooks. Then again, I can see there being a need to save a FCC to a different folder than the default when sending mail related to mails in a specific folder, but that can probably be accomplished with properly crafted send-hooks. It would be quite impossible for mutt to determine whether mail sent while viewing a specific folder was "related" to that folder or not. > You see, it shouldn't matter what folder you're in. You should be able > to construct a send-hook that triggers on real information, such as whom > the letter is two, or from, or Cc'd to. Correct, for send-hooks. > If you're in your mutt-users folder, and the > mail that you now send is related to that mailing list, then that > address probably appears in the headers, and so you should be able to > construct an fcc-hook or save-hook that does what you want. Ahh, but I can see more complex issues for constructing save-hooks than that. You see, procmail and other mail filtering tools allow for a very complex methods of filtering. Mostly these are header-based, but they can also be based on filtering programs or other rules based on program output. Therefore it's entirely possible that Mutt can't reproduce the rule why a given message was sorted to a particular folder. And so you can't have a simple save-hook that could follow the same rule. Thus, you need folder-specific save-hooks for messages in that folder. Currently the only way to do that is with setting a save-hook from a folder-hook, but that has the drawback that you can't undo it. Admittedly this is a rare case, so it can be argued that the need for such functionality is not worth adding. Mutt doesn't allow for "undoing" of hooks. That's fine, I can appreciate that it would be too complex to try to keep record of different states. You can only "re-do" hooks. The problem here is that the default behaviour for mutt for the save command (using the user's username from the email address) can not be re-established in any way once you have specified a default save-hook (save-hook . +folder, or using ~A, or whatever). The only way to avoid that is never to establish a default save hook, but this limits you so that you don't have a complete freedom to define save-hooks which behave exactly like you'd want. Maybe then the desired solution would be to have a "magic save-hook" that re-establishes the default behaviour? Or is such a thing already possible, if "save-hook ~l =%B" works? All that would be required is to have a %-variable which could be substituted for the username, and it would be possible to use "save-hook . =%u" to restore the default behaviour (using %u in this example). Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / Today is the last day of your life so far.
Re: save-hook II
Mikko Hänninen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've asked this before. Since nobody has answered, I think it means > it can't be done. Once you've established a default save hook, you > can't get rid of it, you can only change it (?). I think that's right. > The proper solution would probably be to have a pattern-matching > operator which could be used to match folders. Then there would be > even no need to set save-hooks from from folder-hooks. I feel the need to take issue with this. The reason that Mutt doesn't work this way is that the Mutt designers didn't expect that you would need to be able to do this. And in thinking about it, I can't determine why you need to do this, either. For instance, perhaps I am reading mail in my mutt-users folder. Then something jogs my memory, and I realize I need to send mail to my friend Joe. Are you saying that, just because I am viewing mail in my mutt-users folder, that my letter to Joe should be saved there instead of my usual Fcc? Why? The letter has nothing to do with Mutt. I just happened to be looking at that folder when I sent the message. You see, it shouldn't matter what folder you're in. You should be able to construct a send-hook that triggers on real information, such as whom the letter is two, or from, or Cc'd to. That should determine what its disposition should be. If you're in your mutt-users folder, and the mail that you now send is related to that mailing list, then that address probably appears in the headers, and so you should be able to construct an fcc-hook or save-hook that does what you want. Anyway, that's how I see it. -- David DeSimone | "The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid." -- Gilbert K. Chesterson UX WTEC Engineer |PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: save-hook II
Martin Keseg - Sun Slovakia - SE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Mon, 27 Sep 1999: > yes, this is simple, but I want to keep "default" behavior, which is save mail to > folder with name "=from.who". I've asked this before. Since nobody has answered, I think it means it can't be done. Once you've established a default save hook, you can't get rid of it, you can only change it (?). The proper solution would probably be to have a pattern-matching operator which could be used to match folders. Then there would be even no need to set save-hooks from from folder-hooks. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / "I have an inferiority complex, but it isn't a very good one."
Re: save-hook II
Staffan Hamala ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Martin Keseg - Sun Slovakia - SE wrote: > > > I define one save-hook (folder-hook +work 'save-hook .* =work-done') and when I > > change to another mailbox save-hook is still =work-done. I find, that I can > > You have to set a default for mutt to change back after you've visited a > folder with a special folder hook. > An example from my muttrc: > > folder-hook . 'save-hook . =saved-mail' > folder-hook =FIXNEED$ 'save-hook . =fixed' > > This makes 's' save mails into the folder saved-mail in all folders except > the FIXNEED folder. > > /Staffan yes, this is simple, but I want to keep "default" behavior, which is save mail to folder with name "=from.who". -- Keso be smart, don't be retard!
Re: save-hook II
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Martin Keseg - Sun Slovakia - SE wrote: > I define one save-hook (folder-hook +work 'save-hook .* =work-done') and when I > change to another mailbox save-hook is still =work-done. I find, that I can You have to set a default for mutt to change back after you've visited a folder with a special folder hook. An example from my muttrc: folder-hook . 'save-hook . =saved-mail' folder-hook =FIXNEED$ 'save-hook . =fixed' This makes 's' save mails into the folder saved-mail in all folders except the FIXNEED folder. /Staffan
save-hook II
hi I have still probl. with save hook. I define one save-hook (folder-hook +work 'save-hook .* =work-done') and when I change to another mailbox save-hook is still =work-done. I find, that I can define save-hook to ~f or ~F but it's not good. Example: if From adress is "Mutt Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ~f offers save to "Mutt Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" and ~F offers Mutt Users and I need set save-hook to mutt-users. -- Keso be smart, don't be retard!
