Re: Reply / Return Address of this List
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] could actually tell me a reason why it is better this way? [/snip] Here is the answer; http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Interesting. I like the general tone of this is the only right thing, and we respect the opinion of anyone who differs, even though it makes them a blithering idiot. XD Also, one of the examples amusingly states you need to write down the address, delete the- Hold on. Copy/paste, anyone? The line near the end is the best: One day I accidentally sent a private, personal reply out over one of my own damn lists. Wherein it is once again proven that all 'logical, rational' decisions are merely subjective reactions to emotional trauma ,-). Also read this; http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html I've always been a fan of http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/ myself. However - it is clear, if nothing else in this thread is, that this is not likely to change anytime soon; that there are, in fact, valid technical and RFCish reasons for this being the case; that more importantly, the people who run the list are vehemently, if not rabidly, against the idea of arbitrarily screwing with message headers; and that this is not a position you can really find *too* much fault with, in the end. So can we stop flaming each other over mail practices and recommence flaming each other over dba practices instead? :D -- Rob Munsch Solutions For Progress IT -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reply / Return Address of this List
[snip] 1. Please always reply to the List. Who runs this list? Could it please be configured to send replies back to the list rather than the individual? It's really annoying to keep ending up with a personal address - it would make things so much easier, and is, to my knowledge, standard practice for mailing lists to have replies automatically go to the list itself. [/snip] This is an un-moderated list and this little battle has been fought. Just hit Reply-all or whatever your e-mail client allows. Many lists (many, many older lists especially) are set up just like this one. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes this battle has been fought before. But this is still a pain in the ass. Whilst the list is unmoderated, surely someone at MySQL has the capacity to make a change to the server configuration of whatever hosts the list? How many times has someone had their problem solved by someone who accidentally emailed them direct, rather than via the list. So the solution was never seen by anyone else and never made the archives. Hence the same question gets asked again... and again... I know I've accidentally emailed suggestions to people directly a number of times because of this (I, like many, many others pragmatically use MS outlook), and invariably the only reason I even find this out is when the person thanks me directly rather than through the list. Come on, let's move into the nineties and sort this out. Andy -Original Message- From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2006 13:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: Reply / Return Address of this List [snip] 1. Please always reply to the List. Who runs this list? Could it please be configured to send replies back to the list rather than the individual? It's really annoying to keep ending up with a personal address - it would make things so much easier, and is, to my knowledge, standard practice for mailing lists to have replies automatically go to the list itself. [/snip] This is an un-moderated list and this little battle has been fought. Just hit Reply-all or whatever your e-mail client allows. Many lists (many, many older lists especially) are set up just like this one. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[snip] Yes this battle has been fought before. But this is still a pain in the ass. [/snip] Once you get in the habit your ass will hurt a little less. I know that there are mysql-ites who 'monitor' the list, maybe they can ease your pain. [snip] How many times has someone had their problem solved by someone who accidentally emailed them direct, rather than via the list. So the solution was never seen by anyone else and never made the archives. Hence the same question gets asked again... and again... [/snip] ROFLMMFAO! You mean that people actually STFA? And they don't top post either! -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The battle has been fought before - and the list administrator has given his reasons why he has not made the requested change. The way the list currently behaves is not an accident or omission, but a deliberate decision. I do not recall the grounds for that decision - maybe RFCs or the behaviour of certain email clients (which probably does not include your own), or maybe the fact that an individual reply is often very difficult if the default is group reply but no the other way round. But before asking for a change, I suggest you go back into the archives and find out why the administrator decided as he did, and prepare a refutation for his argument at that time, not a general complaint that it doesn't suit your personal needs. Alec Andy Eastham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/04/2006 13:16 To mysql@lists.mysql.com cc Subject RE: Reply / Return Address of this List Yes this battle has been fought before. But this is still a pain in the ass. Whilst the list is unmoderated, surely someone at MySQL has the capacity to make a change to the server configuration of whatever hosts the list? How many times has someone had their problem solved by someone who accidentally emailed them direct, rather than via the list. So the solution was never seen by anyone else and never made the archives. Hence the same question gets asked again... and again... I know I've accidentally emailed suggestions to people directly a number of times because of this (I, like many, many others pragmatically use MS outlook), and invariably the only reason I even find this out is when the person thanks me directly rather than through the list. Come on, let's move into the nineties and sort this out. Andy -Original Message- From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2006 13:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: Reply / Return Address of this List [snip] 1. Please always reply to the List. Who runs this list? Could it please be configured to send replies back to the list rather than the individual? It's really annoying to keep ending up with a personal address - it would make things so much easier, and is, to my knowledge, standard practice for mailing lists to have replies automatically go to the list itself. [/snip] This is an un-moderated list and this little battle has been fought. Just hit Reply-all or whatever your e-mail client allows. Many lists (many, many older lists especially) are set up just like this one. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The battle has been fought before - and the list administrator has given his reasons why he has not made the requested change. The way the list currently behaves is not an accident or omission, but a deliberate decision. I do not recall the grounds for that decision - maybe RFCs or the behaviour of certain email clients (which probably does not include your own), or maybe the fact that an individual reply is often very difficult if the default is group reply but no the other way round. But I would have thought that 99% of replies should go to the list, and personal replies are the exception - as has been pointed out here, and many times on other lists, a public answer benefits many people. However, if the subject has been addressed and the decision made, then there's just no point in this topic. I guess those of us that don't like it, or don't like people inadvertently posting personal replies thanks to that decision, should simply find another list. -- Jason Teagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is rather a shame if the method of reply is all that it takes to turn you off the list. Personally the content of the list is far more important to me. There are forums if you want a web interface. Having been through this argument on another list recently, I can say there is no pleasing all of the people so we might as well get used to variety. Regards --- ** _/ ** David Logan *** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database *_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd _/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273 _/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665 *_/ ** ** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street, _/ ** Adelaide SA 5001 Australia invent --- -Original Message- From: Jason Teagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2006 10:09 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: Reply / Return Address of this List The battle has been fought before - and the list administrator has given his reasons why he has not made the requested change. The way the list currently behaves is not an accident or omission, but a deliberate decision. I do not recall the grounds for that decision - maybe RFCs or the behaviour of certain email clients (which probably does not include your own), or maybe the fact that an individual reply is often very difficult if the default is group reply but no the other way round. But I would have thought that 99% of replies should go to the list, and personal replies are the exception - as has been pointed out here, and many times on other lists, a public answer benefits many people. However, if the subject has been addressed and the decision made, then there's just no point in this topic. I guess those of us that don't like it, or don't like people inadvertently posting personal replies thanks to that decision, should simply find another list. -- Jason Teagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[snip] However, if the subject has been addressed and the decision made, then there's just no point in this topic. I guess those of us that don't like it, or don't like people inadvertently posting personal replies thanks to that decision, should simply find another list. [/snip] Either that or learn how to move their cursor 1 to the right before they click. Have you STFA for this? Again, Alec points out that there was probably good reason for setting it up like this. Again, I will point out that several are like this. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The battle has been fought before - and the list administrator has given his reasons why he has not made the requested change. The way the list currently behaves is not an accident or omission, but a deliberate decision. I do not recall the grounds for that decision - maybe RFCs or the behaviour of certain email clients (which probably does not include your own), or maybe the fact that an individual reply is often very difficult if the default is group reply but no the other way round. But before asking for a change, I suggest you go back into the archives and find out why the administrator decided as he did, and prepare a refutation for his argument at that time, not a general complaint that it doesn't suit your personal needs. Alec It's in the list FAQ http://lists.mysql.com/faq.php. Michael -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok, As expected, multiple flames were sent in my direction for suggesting that this list should behave in the way that a logical person would expect it to. I accept that this was probably done for a reason, and that other lists work this way (though I've never seen one), so maybe I'd feel better if someone could actually tell me a reason why it is better this way? Thanks, Andy -Original Message- From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2006 13:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: Reply / Return Address of this List [snip] However, if the subject has been addressed and the decision made, then there's just no point in this topic. I guess those of us that don't like it, or don't like people inadvertently posting personal replies thanks to that decision, should simply find another list. [/snip] Either that or learn how to move their cursor 1 to the right before they click. Have you STFA for this? Again, Alec points out that there was probably good reason for setting it up like this. Again, I will point out that several are like this. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[snip] I accept that this was probably done for a reason, and that other lists work this way (though I've never seen one), so maybe I'd feel better if someone could actually tell me a reason why it is better this way? [/snip] Here is the answer; http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Also read this; http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's in the list FAQ http://lists.mysql.com/faq.php. http://lists.mysql.com/faq.php#subjectprefix This answer lists popular e-mail clients and is only _slightly_ biassed :-D Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - tool for InterBase, Firebird, MySQL, NexusDB, Oracle MS SQL Server Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com My thoughts: http://blog.upscene.com/martijn/ Database development questions? Check the forum! http://www.databasedevelopmentforum.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
