RE: Death of MySQL popularity?
-Original Message- From: vegiv...@gmail.com [mailto:vegiv...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Johan De Meersman Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM To: jcbo...@yahoo.com Cc: MySQL Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity? You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-) Subscription means roughly commercial support. The (1) subscript means Features only available in Commercial Editions, and is noted *only* for Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager. I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go payware, though. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the @mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations? http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterprise-software-deve lopment-will-be-assimilated/ http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-mysql-classic-ed ition/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
I think Jorge Bruehe already has weighed in. That is about as direct as you are likely to hear unless you have Larry Ellison on facebook. - michael dykman On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: vegiv...@gmail.com [mailto:vegiv...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Johan De Meersman Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM To: jcbo...@yahoo.com Cc: MySQL Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity? You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-) Subscription means roughly commercial support. The (1) subscript means Features only available in Commercial Editions, and is noted *only* for Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager. I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go payware, though. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the @mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations? http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterprise-software-deve lopment-will-be-assimilated/ http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-mysql-classic-ed ition/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=mdyk...@gmail.com -- - michael dykman - mdyk...@gmail.com May the Source be with you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
I was a MySQL Sales Engineer up til a few weeks ago. I spent 6+ year at MySQL. MySQL Classic never ever had InnoDB in it. Actually, the reason for the existence of MySQL Classic was just that: MySQL without InnoDB for OEMs. If you wanted a non-GPL MySQL, you had to pay for it. And if MySQL wanted a non-GPL InnoDB (in the old days, before Oracle), MySQL had to pay for it. So for the customers that only embedded MyISAM, they could get by by not having InnoDB included, which would lower the cost for MySQL, as there was no InnoDB licence to pay. Note in the above that this is OEM / Embedded only. For MySQL Enterprise customers InnoDB was always included. Why? Because this was a GPL distribution, using a GPL InnoDB, so no need for a InnoDB licence. Simple as that. In the old scheme then, when I was around, MySQL came in a few different shapes: - MySQL Embedded / OEM -- With or without InnoDB. Two different prices (MySQL Classic being the low end then). Commercial icence. - MySQL Enterprise -- The supported MySQL version. Different flavours mainly using different SLAs and different MySQL Enterprise Monitor functionalities. GPL Licence. - MySQL Community Edition - The good old GPL downloadable version. GPL Licence. /Karlsson Michael Dykman skrev 2010-11-08 22:47: I think Jorge Bruehe already has weighed in. That is about as direct as you are likely to hear unless you have Larry Ellison on facebook. - michael dykman On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Daevid Vincentdae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: vegiv...@gmail.com [mailto:vegiv...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Johan De Meersman Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM To: jcbo...@yahoo.com Cc: MySQL Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity? You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-) Subscription means roughly commercial support. The (1) subscript means Features only available in Commercial Editions, and is noted *only* for Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager. I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go payware, though. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the @mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations? http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterprise-software-deve lopment-will-be-assimilated/ http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-mysql-classic-ed ition/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=mdyk...@gmail.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-) Subscription means roughly commercial support. The (1) subscript means Features only available in Commercial Editions, and is noted *only* for Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager. I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go payware, though. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=vegiv...@tuxera.be -- Bier met grenadyn Is als mosterd by den wyn Sy die't drinkt, is eene kwezel Hy die't drinkt, is ras een ezel
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
And here's the answer to that, too: MySQL Workbench is available in two editions, the GPL “Community Edition” and the commercial “Standard Edition”. The MySQL Workbench Community Edition can be downloaded from the MySQL Developer Site http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/. MySQL Workbench Standard Edition can be purchased online at http://shop.mysql.com Honestly, would a little googling kill you ? On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Johan De Meersman vegiv...@tuxera.bewrote: You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-) Subscription means roughly commercial support. The (1) subscript means Features only available in Commercial Editions, and is noted *only* for Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager. I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go payware, though. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=vegiv...@tuxera.be -- Bier met grenadyn Is als mosterd by den wyn Sy die't drinkt, is eene kwezel Hy die't drinkt, is ras een ezel -- Bier met grenadyn Is als mosterd by den wyn Sy die't drinkt, is eene kwezel Hy die't drinkt, is ras een ezel
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
Hi! Christoph Boget wrote: http://www.mysql.com/products/ So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? [[...]] Totally wrong. Classic is the name of a configuration for commercial customers (typically: for use in embedded applications) that refers to the pre-InnoDB times. It is available for years already, always without InnoDB. Classic is totally different from community. I am not aware of any upcoming changes in the community edition, neither in features nor in availability. Don't panic! (Douglas Adams) Joerg -- Joerg Bruehe, MySQL Build Team, joerg.bru...@oracle.com ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG, Komturstrasse 18a, D-12099 Berlin Geschaeftsfuehrer: Juergen Kunz, Marcel v.d. Molen, Alexander v.d. Ven Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRA 95603 -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.com wrote: I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... Even though all the info you provided is extremely exaggerated...switching all my databases to PostgreSQL has been the best thing I've done in years. It's IMO far superior but I'm not trying to start a debate or flame war. It just works amazing and the SQL structure far exceeds what MySQL did for me. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
On the other hand, they've only with this release managed to implement live log shipping, among other things :-) Both are bound to have pros and cons. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Carlos Mennens carlosw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Christoph Boget christoph.bo...@gmail.com wrote: I think it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres... Even though all the info you provided is extremely exaggerated...switching all my databases to PostgreSQL has been the best thing I've done in years. It's IMO far superior but I'm not trying to start a debate or flame war. It just works amazing and the SQL structure far exceeds what MySQL did for me. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=vegiv...@tuxera.be -- Bier met grenadyn Is als mosterd by den wyn Sy die't drinkt, is eene kwezel Hy die't drinkt, is ras een ezel
