Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Hi Rob, I agree this is a problem for one major reason: I never know, if someone replies to my post, without the CC to the list, whether the writer wants to take the conversation off the list, or if he just hit reply (instead of reply-to-all) out of habit. If the default is to reply to the list and CC to the originator, then it is obvious when a reply does not go to the list that the person that replied does not want his response made public! On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Rob Wultsch wrote: I was previously on a list where the reply-to was setup as it is on the mysql list, with the originator receiving a response rather than list. It ended up that that setting was the default, and had not been changed when the list was setup. Is there a good reason why the reply-to is setup as it is on this list? I forget to change the destination address for most every email I write, I would guess I am not alone, and I do not think that this is good for the list. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
I've seen this debate on a lot of lists. I firmly believe having a list munge reply-to is almost universally a very bad idea (the main exception being very small lists of people who know each other). Most email programs allow you to tell them the names of the lists you subscribe to, and/or can autodetect what the list name is from the appropriate headers, and give you an easy list-reply command. So you have your usual individual reply command, group reply / reply to all, and list reply. If you're annoyed by having to edit headers to reply to the list, then learn how to use your email program's list-reply command. Yes, sometimes someone accidentally replies to you and not the list. You write them back and ask, did you mean to send this just to me, or to the list? Mildly annoying, but either of you can send the message on to the list and the rest of the list members lose nothing. If you go the other way, though, the error case is that sometimes someone sends to the list a message they intended to be private. Not only does it increase list volume mostly with noise, but it occasionally leads to embarrassment, confusion, or breach of privacy. It makes all of the above more likely to happen accidentally, and when they do happen, there's no way to take it back. -- Cos -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
On 10/22/07, Ofer Inbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen this debate on a lot of lists. I firmly believe having a list munge reply-to is almost universally a very bad idea (the main exception being very small lists of people who know each other). Most email programs allow you to tell them the names of the lists you subscribe to, and/or can autodetect what the list name is from the appropriate headers, and give you an easy list-reply command. So you have your usual individual reply command, group reply / reply to all, and list reply. If you're annoyed by having to edit headers to reply to the list, then learn how to use your email program's list-reply command. Yes, sometimes someone accidentally replies to you and not the list. You write them back and ask, did you mean to send this just to me, or to the list? Mildly annoying, but either of you can send the message on to the list and the rest of the list members lose nothing. If you go the other way, though, the error case is that sometimes someone sends to the list a message they intended to be private. Not only does it increase list volume mostly with noise, but it occasionally leads to embarrassment, confusion, or breach of privacy. It makes all of the above more likely to happen accidentally, and when they do happen, there's no way to take it back. -- Cos Thank you for a well thought response. It sounds like a decent part of the list agrees with me, and a decent part disagree. However you are the first anti-munger to not refer to a FAQ which refers to unpersuasive arguments by a 3rd party. I would wager that on a up or down vote that the the mungers would have it, however the the support is not overwhelming, which it ought to be for a change like this to be made. Oh well. INSERT INTO `mysql_list` SET `forum`= 'RELIGION', `topic` = 'reply-to'; -- Rob Wultsch -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Some good advice, applying to both mailing lists and businesses: Always reply-to-all, unless there is a good reason not to. My 2 cents. Rob Wultsch schreef: I was previously on a list where the reply-to was setup as it is on the mysql list, with the originator receiving a response rather than list. It ended up that that setting was the default, and had not been changed when the list was setup. Is there a good reason why the reply-to is setup as it is on this list? I forget to change the destination address for most every email I write, I would guess I am not alone, and I do not think that this is good for the list. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
On 10/21/07, Rob Wultsch wrote: I was previously on a list where the reply-to was setup as it is on the mysql list, with the originator receiving a response rather than list. It ended up that that setting was the default, and had not been changed when the list was setup. Is there a good reason why the reply-to is setup as it is on this list? If you could explain why the answer in the FAQ doesn't satisfy you we might be of more assistance. I forget to change the destination address for most every email I write, I would guess I am not alone, and I do not think that this is good for the list. I believe it is excellent for the list as it raises the bar. Jochem -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
on 10/21/07 1:15 PM, Jochem van Dieten at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/21/07, Rob Wultsch wrote: I was previously on a list where the reply-to was setup as it is on the mysql list, with the originator receiving a response rather than list. It ended up that that setting was the default, and had not been changed when the list was setup. Is there a good reason why the reply-to is setup as it is on this list? If you could explain why the answer in the FAQ doesn't satisfy you we might be of more assistance. I forget to change the destination address for most every email I write, I would guess I am not alone, and I do not think that this is good for the list. I believe it is excellent for the list as it raises the bar. Jochem I think the issue is that when people reply to the originator by mistake and not the list, the list does not get the subsequent correspondence that is definitely useful to the rest of us. If someone asks a question and someone else answers it I think we should all see the response without fail so we can all learn from the response. It also makes for better searchable lists and averts redundant questions. My $2USD ** OOPS, what do you know. I have to resend this because I forgot to reply all. :-P Thanks Steffan --- T E L 6 0 2 . 7 9 3 . 0 0 1 4 | F A X 6 0 2 . 9 7 1 . 1 6 9 4 Steffan A. Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phoenix, Az http://www.ExecuChoice.net USA AIM : SteffanC ICQ : 57234309 YAHOO : Steffan_Cline MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GOOGLE: Steffan.Cline Lasso Partner Alliance Member --- -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Could you just summarize the reasons, Jochem? I'd like to know, too, because it certainly is annoying. I read the FAQ, but it provides no reason, only a reference to the pro and con treatises, which I'd rather not wade through unless necessary. (It would be nice if the FAQ had a brief explanation and a link for a more thorough explanation...) So, could you provide a one or two sentence reason why this is better? It's also this way on one other list I use. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 4:16 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list Is there a good reason why the reply-to is setup as it is on this list? If you could explain why the answer in the FAQ doesn't satisfy you we might be of more assistance. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
I whole heartedly agree... and I had to clear out Steffan's email address to avoid sending a copy to him, also. It's annoying enough to have to clean up messages to keep them from being too long. Rick -Original Message- From: Steffan A. Cline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 4:24 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list I believe it is excellent for the list as it raises the bar. Jochem I think the issue is that when people reply to the originator by mistake and not the list, the list does not get the subsequent correspondence that is definitely useful to the rest of us. If someone asks a question and someone else answers it I think we should all see the response without fail so we can all learn from the response. It also makes for better searchable lists and averts redundant questions. My $2USD ** OOPS, what do you know. I have to resend this because I forgot to reply all. :-P Thanks Steffan -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
I think I'm on the brink of having a law named after me: Xaprb's Law: as a mailing list ages, the probability of an argument over the Reply-to header configuration approaches one. By way of comparison, see Godwin's Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law Can we please just leave the list as it is and focus on MySQL? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Baron Schwartz wrote: I think I'm on the brink of having a law named after me: Xaprb's Law: as a mailing list ages, the probability of an argument over the Reply-to header configuration approaches one. By way of comparison, see Godwin's Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law Can we please just leave the list as it is and focus on MySQL? Are you some list-Nazi or something? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
sol beach wrote: PKB ¿Qué? PS: please don't top-post (how could i resist?) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
sol beach wrote: Pot, Kettle, Black (Usenet shorthand for 'Look at the pot calling the kettle black') http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=pkbstring=exact On 10/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sol beach wrote: PKB ¿Qué? PS: please don't top-post (how could i resist?) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Got it. You, um, *did* realise that that was a joke ... right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law PS: please don't top-post. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Peter Brawley wrote: What part of asking if someone is a Nazi do you think funny? PB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sol beach wrote: Pot, Kettle, Black (Usenet shorthand for 'Look at the pot calling the kettle black') http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=pkbstring=exact On 10/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sol beach wrote: PKB ¿Qué? PS: please don't top-post (how could i resist?) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Got it. You, um, *did* realise that that was a joke ... right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law PS: please don't top-post. The part where some people seem to not be paying *any attention at all* to the link to a full explanation of Godwin's Law (trust me--it's quite pertinent). This is becoming *really* funny, actually. While we're at it, what part of please don't top-post did you not understand? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
sol beach wrote: It is better to stay silent be thought a fool, rather than speaking removing all doubt. Sheesh! Lighten up. Do you understand what Godwin's Law is? I suspect you don't or you'd perhaps have some clue as to why i asked Baron if he was one. If you *do* know what Godwin's Law is but still don't get it then all bets are, indeed, off. You should stay with your day job as you'd never make it a comedian. Obviously not with certain crowds, no. I suspect that you are a minority of 1 which have found anything funny in either response. I'm finding the replies *exceptionally* amusing. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
the dont part :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Brawley wrote: What part of asking if someone is a Nazi do you think funny? PB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sol beach wrote: Pot, Kettle, Black (Usenet shorthand for 'Look at the pot calling the kettle black') http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=pkbstring=exact On 10/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sol beach wrote: PKB ¿Qué? PS: please don't top-post (how could i resist?) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Got it. You, um, *did* realise that that was a joke ... right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law PS: please don't top-post. The part where some people seem to not be paying *any attention at all* to the link to a full explanation of Godwin's Law (trust me--it's quite pertinent). This is becoming *really* funny, actually. While we're at it, what part of please don't top-post did you not understand? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
ProntoHost wrote: the dont part :) Finally: someone with a sense of humour. And nice use of the emoticon, bub. I should have used a few myself, it seems. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to is to originator rather than to list
Peter Brawley wrote: This is becoming *really* funny, actually. Nothing remotelt funny about implying someone is a Nazi. I wasn't implying anyone was a Nazi. Unfortunately, you still don't understand that. That's too bad, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Did you happen to check out the Godwin's Law page, btw? In any case, i was saying that the *responses* are really funny. I'll let the reviews of my own jokes speak for themselves (boy, are they!) I still think the responses are quite humorous. While we're at it, what part of please don't top-post did you not understand? I understand it entirely. I choose otherwise. Suit yourself. I thought it was worth bringing up, considering this thread was about list operation/protocol. And i couldn't resist phrasing it to you in that way. I guess I could have also asked, What part of Godwin's Law do you not understand? Or, What part about making a sarcastic joke about a sarcastic joke about hyperbole do you not understand? But that might have been too much. Just to re-cap: i wasn't implying that anyone was a Nazi. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
