Re: users are always the last to know :-)
Hi Walt, On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 13:19, Walt Weaver wrote: Well, forgive me for being a bit skeptical and cynical but this sounds like spin to me. As a 17-year Oracle DBA I have never seen Oracle do anything that can remotely be called benevolent. Larry Ellison buys companies, guts them, chews them up and spits them in the gutter. I doubt he'll ever buy a company just because he's caught up in the groovy sunshine world that's Open Source. And, as an employee of a company that's very, very heavily committed to MySQL (we're just about completely moved off of Oracle and are using InnoDB) this whole thing leaves us rather worried. You'll forgive me for not joining in the speculations. Please don't misread our lack of expressive detail as us sitting on our hands: either in the past, presently, or at any point in the future. Even for an open source company, operating in the real world means that not everything is always public. I do appreciate that you have questions beyond the answers given so far. At this precise moment in time, I hope you can run on the trust you have given MySQL and its developers upto now? Thanks. Regards, Arjen. On 10/7/05, Arjen Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hassan, On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 08:25, Hassan Schroeder wrote: FYI, from the Silicon Valley Business Journal: See Kaj's response in the announce list (http://lists.mysql.com/announce/322) and the official MySQL AB response (http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/news/article_968.html). Other related posts on http://www.planetmysql.org/ Have a nice weekend! Regards, Arjen. Oracle buys Finnish open source company Oracle Corp. said Friday it has bought Innobase OY, a software company based in Finland, for an undisclosed price. Innobase makes open source database software. Its product, InnoDB, runs on the MySQL database system, also an open source software system. Oracle said it has long supported open source software, which is freely available to anyone who wants to build on it or improve it, and said it plans to add more to open source systems in the future. Redwood Shores-based Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) said it plans to negotiate to extend the deal between Innobase and MySQL when it needs to be renewed next year. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/10/03/daily52.html?hbx=e_du -- Arjen Lentz, Community Relations Manager MySQL AB, www.mysql.com MySQL Users Conference 2006 (Santa Clara CA, 24-27 April) Call for Papers deadline 7 Nov 2005: http://www.mysqluc.com/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
users are always the last to know :-)
FYI, from the Silicon Valley Business Journal: Oracle buys Finnish open source company Oracle Corp. said Friday it has bought Innobase OY, a software company based in Finland, for an undisclosed price. Innobase makes open source database software. Its product, InnoDB, runs on the MySQL database system, also an open source software system. Oracle said it has long supported open source software, which is freely available to anyone who wants to build on it or improve it, and said it plans to add more to open source systems in the future. Redwood Shores-based Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) said it plans to negotiate to extend the deal between Innobase and MySQL when it needs to be renewed next year. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/10/03/daily52.html?hbx=e_du -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users are always the last to know :-)
Interesting On 10/7/05, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, from the Silicon Valley Business Journal: Oracle buys Finnish open source company Oracle Corp. said Friday it has bought Innobase OY, a software company based in Finland, for an undisclosed price. Innobase makes open source database software. Its product, InnoDB, runs on the MySQL database system, also an open source software system. Oracle said it has long supported open source software, which is freely available to anyone who wants to build on it or improve it, and said it plans to add more to open source systems in the future. Redwood Shores-based Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) said it plans to negotiate to extend the deal between Innobase and MySQL when it needs to be renewed next year. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/10/03/daily52.html?hbx=e_du -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users are always the last to know :-)
Hi Hassan, On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 08:25, Hassan Schroeder wrote: FYI, from the Silicon Valley Business Journal: See Kaj's response in the announce list (http://lists.mysql.com/announce/322) and the official MySQL AB response (http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/news/article_968.html). Other related posts on http://www.planetmysql.org/ Have a nice weekend! Regards, Arjen. Oracle buys Finnish open source company Oracle Corp. said Friday it has bought Innobase OY, a software company based in Finland, for an undisclosed price. Innobase makes open source database software. Its product, InnoDB, runs on the MySQL database system, also an open source software system. Oracle said it has long supported open source software, which is freely available to anyone who wants to build on it or improve it, and said it plans to add more to open source systems in the future. Redwood Shores-based Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) said it plans to negotiate to extend the deal between Innobase and MySQL when it needs to be renewed next year. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/10/03/daily52.html?hbx=e_du -- Arjen Lentz, Community Relations Manager MySQL AB, www.mysql.com MySQL Users Conference 2006 (Santa Clara CA, 24-27 April) Call for Papers deadline 7 Nov 2005: http://www.mysqluc.com/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users are always the last to know :-)
Well, forgive me for being a bit skeptical and cynical but this sounds like spin to me. As a 17-year Oracle DBA I have never seen Oracle do anything that can remotely be called benevolent. Larry Ellison buys companies, guts them, chews them up and spits them in the gutter. I doubt he'll ever buy a company just because he's caught up in the groovy sunshine world that's Open Source. And, as an employee of a company that's very, very heavily committed to MySQL (we're just about completely moved off of Oracle and are using InnoDB) this whole thing leaves us rather worried. Thanks, --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana On 10/7/05, Arjen Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hassan, On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 08:25, Hassan Schroeder wrote: FYI, from the Silicon Valley Business Journal: See Kaj's response in the announce list (http://lists.mysql.com/announce/322) and the official MySQL AB response (http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/news/article_968.html). Other related posts on http://www.planetmysql.org/ Have a nice weekend! Regards, Arjen. Oracle buys Finnish open source company Oracle Corp. said Friday it has bought Innobase OY, a software company based in Finland, for an undisclosed price. Innobase makes open source database software. Its product, InnoDB, runs on the MySQL database system, also an open source software system. Oracle said it has long supported open source software, which is freely available to anyone who wants to build on it or improve it, and said it plans to add more to open source systems in the future. Redwood Shores-based Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL) said it plans to negotiate to extend the deal between Innobase and MySQL when it needs to be renewed next year. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/10/03/daily52.html?hbx=e_du -- Arjen Lentz, Community Relations Manager MySQL AB, www.mysql.com http://www.mysql.com MySQL Users Conference 2006 (Santa Clara CA, 24-27 April) Call for Papers deadline 7 Nov 2005: http://www.mysqluc.com/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users are always the last to know :-)
Walt Weaver wrote: Well, forgive me for being a bit skeptical and cynical but this sounds like spin to me. As a 17-year Oracle DBA I have never seen Oracle do anything that can remotely be called benevolent. Larry Ellison buys companies, guts them, chews them up and spits them in the gutter. I doubt he'll ever buy a company just because he's caught up in the groovy sunshine world that's Open Source. And, as an employee of a company that's very, very heavily committed to MySQL (we're just about completely moved off of Oracle and are using InnoDB) this whole thing leaves us rather worried. Remember that InnoDB is open source and GPLed. That means that even if Oracle were to start doing something evil, there's nothing stopping you, the MySQL team, or anyone else starting a fork that remained open source and carried on from the last available open source version. I don't personally think there's anything to worry about. -- Jasper Bryant-Greene Freelance web developer http://jasper.bryant-greene.name/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users are always the last to know :-)
On Oct 7, 2005, at 11:46 PM, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote: Walt Weaver wrote: Well, forgive me for being a bit skeptical and cynical but this sounds like spin to me. As a 17-year Oracle DBA I have never seen Oracle do anything that can remotely be called benevolent. Larry Ellison buys companies, guts them, chews them up and spits them in the gutter. I doubt he'll ever buy a company just because he's caught up in the groovy sunshine world that's Open Source. And, as an employee of a company that's very, very heavily committed to MySQL (we're just about completely moved off of Oracle and are using InnoDB) this whole thing leaves us rather worried. Remember that InnoDB is open source and GPLed. That means that even if Oracle were to start doing something evil, there's nothing stopping you, the MySQL team, or anyone else starting a fork that remained open source and carried on from the last available open source version. Of course that's technically true, but is it realistic? Are there non-MySQL AB forks of either myisam or innodb? It just doesn't seem that it's as easy for outsiders to pick up and run with this as it is with other OSS projects. Even within MySQL AB, how deep is the InnoDB knowledge? We have paid support, and when it gets to an InnoDB specific issue the question goes to an InnoDB OY employee fairly quickly. Before we even discuss someone forking InnoDB, would MySQL AB be able to support current InnoDB using customers if Oracle were to make Heikki et. al. unavailable? This is very worrisome to people whose business rides on InnoDB/MySQL and can't be covered with PR and spin. It would be nice to hear that MySQL has worked out the inclusion of whatever InnoDB becomes beyond the current contract expiration next year, but at a minimum they have to explain how they will support current InnoDB use when the people that largely did it aren't necessarily available. --Ware -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
