Re: [mythtv-users] Potential IPTV additions for Myth

2006-01-26 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 26 January 2006 14:46, Robert Johnston wrote:
> On 1/26/06, Dave Bixler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > An awesome idea if I must say so -- that is if I completely understand
> > what you're proposing :).
>
> I'm proposing that, for those people who have an IPTV television
> provider.

You're also proposing the same thing you've been proposing for quite a while 
now.  Seems to be rather less productive than actually working on code.

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Re: [mythtv-users] [Bulk] Re: Broadcast flag and a kick in the teeth

2006-01-26 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 26 January 2006 13:05, Raphael Pooser wrote:
> Stan Zaske wrote:


Keep this crap off my lists.

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Re: [mythtv-users] mysql +qt +mythtv +Suse 10.0

2006-01-23 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 23 January 2006 12:26, Art Fore wrote:
> I have been try to get MythTV operating for a few weeks now with no
> success. After scouring the internet I finall found the following:
>
> When I execute mythtvbackend to start it, after starting mysql, I get:
>
> QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
> QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7
> 2006-01-23 00:31:56.984 New DB connection, total: 1
> 2006-01-23 00:31:56.985 Unable to connect to database!
> 2006-01-23 00:31:56.985 No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
> 2006-01-23 00:31:56.986 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
>
>
> I do a "rpm -qa | grep -i qt" and get:
>
> qt3-postgresql-3.3.4-28
> qt3-3.3.4-28.3
> qt3-mysql-3.3.5-22

Note the version numbers.

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV.org Wiki

2006-01-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 19 January 2006 21:22, Steve Adeff wrote:
> I just want to emphasize the fact that the official MythTV.org wiki is up
> at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
> The site still has a lot of room to grow, adding hardware setup, work on
> the User Manual, etc. It also has a lot of good information there. So do a
> search there before coming here, add information when you solve problems,
> and help build the knowledge contained there.

An additional note - I'll be adding an "official" link from the main 
mythtv.org website as soon as 0.19's released (ie., one week-ish)

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Re: [mythtv-users] LiveTV related ideas/comments

2006-01-18 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 17:07, Ross Campbell wrote:
> > The Watch Recordings menu seems a little clunky with
> > respect to this new LiveTV, however.  What do you guys think of having a
> > LiveTV
> > program group?
>
> DISCLAIMER: I'm not running SVN, but I've followed this discussion and the
> questions/flames/etc about it closely. I *THINK* I understand how this
> works...

You don't.

> The enhancement I'd like to see to LiveTV based on my understanding of how
> it will work for 0.19 is the ability to set a minimum time threshold for
> keeping LiveTV recordings when changing channels.
>
> For me, I'd set that to something like 10 minutes. This would ensure that
> anyone who uses mythtv to channel surf "old school" style won't fill up the
> recordings menu with 15 second snippets of garbage.

Short recordings (< 2 minutes) are auto-expired almost immediately.  No 
'LiveTV' recordings are shown in the recordings menu _at all_ unless you 
specifically select the LiveTV group.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:23, Mudit Wahal wrote:
> On 1/14/06, Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Kevin,
> > >
> > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
> > > koolaid on others.
> > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384
> > >
> > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent
> >
> > dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some
> > dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the
> > iolink because no muss. no fuss.  that is fine with me.  all i know is
> > you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work.  either that
> > or you made a mistake when buying hardware.  or you didn't research
> > enough.
>
> [Sorry guys, I've to change my tone so the koolaid gang can
> understand. Seems like that's the only language they understand]
>
> dude, I think you have no idea how it works (myth backend and frontend
> and uPnP streaming etc). Just be happy with your crappy 480i tv out
> from your god given pvr 350 and shut up. You were dumb enough not to
> figure how to get a decent tv without hand holding.
> Just because you are happy with a noisy jet engine in your living room
> with a crappy svideo out, doesnt mean entire word has to suffer the
> same misery along with you. Just because you made some dumb decision
> doesnt mean others dont have enough intelligence to figure out a
> better and easier way to do thing.

That's enough of that.  Anyone continuing to act like a 2 year old gets 
removed from the list.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Revised MythTV Subversion ebuilds f or Gentoo available

2006-01-11 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 14:08, Trey Boudreau wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 01:46:28PM -0500, Preston Crow wrote:
> > Yup, that's why I haven't updated it, even though I've made few fixes,
> > such as supporting new plugins and fixing mythfrontend-svn to build the
> > frontend only instead of the backend only (oops).
>
> How about adding them as a patch in Trac.  Perhaps we can get them
> rolled into the tree under contrib or some such?

I don't think packaging stuff belongs in upstream sources, so it'll get 
rejected.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Revised MythTV Subversion ebuilds f or Gentoo available

2006-01-11 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 13:46, Preston Crow wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:43 -0800, Scott Alfter wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Chad wrote:
> > > On 1/10/06, Scott Alfter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> The MythTV Subversion ebuild I obtained from Gentoo Bugzilla won't
> > >> build MythTV with FireWire support because the dependencies are
> > >> incorrect/outdated. I don't know if someone else has put up an updated
> > >> ebuild somewhere else already, but here's what I'm now using:
> > >>
> > >> http://alfter.us/files/mythtv-svn-ebuilds.tar.bz2
> > >
> > > Excellent.  If you reply to that bug report and attach your fix, it
> > > will be more centralized.
> >
> > I considered doing that, but the bug-wranglers apparently have their
> > panties in a bunch over continued activity on a bug that's marked
> > RESOLVED WONTFIX.
>
> Yup, that's why I haven't updated it, even though I've made few fixes,
> such as supporting new plugins and fixing mythfrontend-svn to build the
> frontend only instead of the backend only (oops).

Please don't do that - the "frontend-only" build only works as a porting aid.  
It's not meant for Linux.  Random things won't work.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Import existing video file?

2006-01-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 09 January 2006 17:12, David Abrahams wrote:
> Brad DerManouelian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Jan 8, 2006, at 6:35 PM, David Abrahams wrote:
> >> I have an existing video recording in a format already supported by
> >> MythTV playback.  How can I add it to my backend's list of recordings?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Dave
> >
> > Drop it in your mythvideo directory and go to Utilities/Setup>Video
> > Manager (assuming you are auto-scanning your videos directory). It
> > will scan the folder and add it to your videos list.
>
> I don't think the video manager is what I want.  First of all, it's
> apparently only designed for using an external player, not for playing
> within the MythTV frontend.  Secondly, the video manager seems
> completely messed up when you are running multiple frontends, since
> they are recorded in the global backend database but only referenced
> relative to the frontend's local filesystem.

For multiple frontend machines, use a common fileserver for everywhere.

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Re: [mythtv-users] mythtv svn: livetv buffers and recordings forced to live in the same directory...mythweb recorded programs page goes way down performancewise if you channel surf too often

2006-01-07 Thread Isaac Richards
On Saturday 07 January 2006 20:34, Michael Freeman wrote:
> the frontend can hide livetv recordings if you tell it to keep them
> separate.
> why can't mythweb follow the same rule?

Because nobody's written that yet?

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV Book

2006-01-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 02 January 2006 23:04, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 02 January 2006 19:20, Terry Dawson wrote:
> > Is anyone working on a book for MythTV?
>
> Yup.

There's also this:

 http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4861670179/

I can't read a word of it, but it looks cool sitting on my book shelf.  =)  I 
didn't find out about it until a few months ago, myself.

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV Book

2006-01-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 08:33, Steve Adeff wrote:
> And while I'm at it, where is mythtv.info moving to?

Moving to wiki.mythtv.org.  Not sure of the status of the transition, but I 
thought it was pretty close to complete.

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Re: [mythtv-users] ivtv 0.4.1 changes

2005-12-22 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 22 December 2005 14:00, Bryan Halter wrote:
> I was looking at the changelog for IVTV today as the new stable came out
> a few days ago and noticed:
>
>   - Input numbering for PVR150/500 cards have changed, this will
> require users to reconfigure apps that use these cards.
> 0="Tuner" 1="Composite 0" 2="Composite 1" 3="S-Video 0" 4="S-Video 1"
>
> Does this mean I can't go to 0.4.1 until MythTV 0.19?

No, you just have to re-run mythtv-setup.  Input names are probed, not 
hardcoded.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Commercial Flagging, what are the best

2005-12-21 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 17:58, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> Isaac Richards wrote:
> >On Wednesday 21 December 2005 17:39, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> >>Boleslaw Ciesielski wrote:
> >>>Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> >>>>In looking further, recent SVN changes have the skeleton for XDS
> >>>>parsing but nothing is done with the data.  My PVR-150 is putting
> >>>>data into /dev/vbi so I think my backend is set up for capturing.
> >>>>This may be my Christmas project to see if I can properly decode the
> >>>>XDS V-chip information at least in debugging output to see what it
> >>>> says.
> >>>
> >>>The following patch against the vbi utility (from ivtv) will let you
> >>>do some quick testing outside of myth.
> >>
> >>Thanks.  That's helpful.  Looks like section of code in Myth pulls the
> >>XDS data from the ITVT MPEG and my version of the drivers 0.3.7 weren't
> >>supporting embedding that.  I'm updating to 0.4 and I'll see how that
> >>goes.  It seems straightforward enough with the information you sent.
> >>I'll post my progress.
> >
> >ivtv doesn't support embedded vbi (at least for ntsc) on the 150/500.
>
> Well, that will make this process much harder :)
>
> I'll try it out on my MBE with my two BTTV cards.  They seem to be
> dumping data to /dev/vbi also.

That should work.

> BTW, does Myth read the /dev/vbi output from a PVR-150?

Nope, it needs to have the data in the mpeg stream.  myth would have to remux 
things, otherwise, and that's slightly more complicated.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Commercial Flagging, what are the best

2005-12-21 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 17:39, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> Boleslaw Ciesielski wrote:
> > Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> >> In looking further, recent SVN changes have the skeleton for XDS
> >> parsing but nothing is done with the data.  My PVR-150 is putting
> >> data into /dev/vbi so I think my backend is set up for capturing.
> >> This may be my Christmas project to see if I can properly decode the
> >> XDS V-chip information at least in debugging output to see what it says.
> >
> > The following patch against the vbi utility (from ivtv) will let you
> > do some quick testing outside of myth.
>
> Thanks.  That's helpful.  Looks like section of code in Myth pulls the
> XDS data from the ITVT MPEG and my version of the drivers 0.3.7 weren't
> supporting embedding that.  I'm updating to 0.4 and I'll see how that
> goes.  It seems straightforward enough with the information you sent.
> I'll post my progress.

ivtv doesn't support embedded vbi (at least for ntsc) on the 150/500.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Announcement: New debian repository

2005-12-21 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 17:32, casey dunn wrote:
> apt-get fails under Dapper due to libasound 2 < 1.0.10 (ubuntu packages
> 1.0.9).  I haven't taken the time to find why the dependency isn't ment and
> won't till tomarow but, thought I'd pass along the info anyway.

Could just use the packages that are in multiverse..

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Choppy hd live tv playback with HD3000

2005-12-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 19 December 2005 21:40, Boleslaw Ciesielski wrote:
> Brandon Beattie wrote:
> > If you want to use IDCT hardware acceleration (Also known as XvMC
> > Hardware decoding), see the same setup->tv-settings->playback->page 1.
>
> Is IDCT really the same as XvMC? I thought IDCT (inverse discrete cosine
> transform) was part of the calculations in the MPEG2 decompression
> algorithm (and JPEG as well). XvMC is "motion compensation" which I
> thought had to do with deinterlacing.
>
> What is really the relationship between them?

XvMC can include both MC and IDCT accel.

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Re: Nvidia dropped xv hardware scaling? WAS: (Re: [mythtv-users] Video card recommendation for 24" LCD (1920x1200))

2005-12-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 19 December 2005 20:32, Alex wrote:
> On 12/19/05, Andy Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well that is starnge. This msg specifically stated
> > that 6600 no longer support xv hardware scaling:
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00205.html
> >
> > Anyone knows what's the real scope here?
>
> That states the overlay has gone away.  I do know the Window Vista
> eliminates the overlay programming model in lieu of compositing.  Other
> graphics hardware will loose the overlay function in the future.
>
> I don't know what the XV structure requires, but HW scaling is not limited
> to overlay support.  It can be in a different place in the pipe.

Right.  The biggest thing that doesn't work anymore on newer cards is xawtv in 
overlay mode, but anything that wants to do stuff with the video 
(deinterlace, etc) runs in capture mode, not overlay.  

Hardware scaling works fine, and it's worked fine each time this has come up 
on this list, with people pasting the same completely wrong information from 
that mailing list post. =)

Color control adjustments (brightness/contrast/etc) are nonexistant currently 
on the newer cards, but since those can be done in other ways, I'd assume 
they'll be back eventually.

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Re: Nvidia dropped xv hardware scaling? WAS: (Re: [mythtv-users] Video card recommendation for 24" LCD (1920x1200))

2005-12-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 19 December 2005 20:18, Andy Leung wrote:
> Well that is starnge. This msg specifically stated
> that 6600 no longer support xv hardware scaling:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00205.html

Where does that state that hardware scaling is not supported?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Program Finder- Idea for improvement

2005-12-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 19 December 2005 13:19, Bob Wiegand wrote:
> Daniel Walton wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005, Steve Adeff wrote:
> >>I tried using the Program Finder today. I went to the first letter of the
> >>program name and spent the next 45 seconds scrolling...
> >
> > Even if you hold down "PgDown"?  It scrolls by pretty quickly for me.
> >
> > Daniel
>
> My remote doesn't have a page down. I also find the Program Finder
> very slow to use.

3 + 9 work as page up/down in that context, and quite a few other areas where 
the numbers aren't being used otherwise.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 15 December 2005 15:15, Adam Greenbaum wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 13:51 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 December 2005 13:49, Adam Greenbaum wrote:
> > > I haven't tried it yet but does the new live-tv pseudo recording code
> > > have an upper disk usage limit in the same way as the ring-buffer code
> > > used to? I can imagine this is going to cause problems for many users
> > > if not.
> >
> > Why would it cause problems?
>
> Well, as Jay mentioned it would stop df from being any use, resulting in
> never knowing how much space is actually free on the disk. This is more
> troublesome than the old method because you could always rely on the
> upper limit of the ring buffer in the past (This is obviously only
> relevant for non-dedicated myth partitions though).
> Are the live-tv recordings deleted once you leave live-tv or do they
> remain until they auto expire?

Ok, so, why aren't people bitching that df is useless because disk is always 
full unless they manually delete scheduled recordings?  This is exactly the 
same situation.

I mean, seriously come up with a valid reason why this would cause problems.  
Nobody has, yet.  Just mindless whining is all I've seen so far.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 15 December 2005 13:49, Adam Greenbaum wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 17:30 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > Both of which are absolutely no different than normal operation of Myth,
> > which will "fill up" your disk anyway.
>
> I haven't tried it yet but does the new live-tv pseudo recording code
> have an upper disk usage limit in the same way as the ring-buffer code
> used to? I can imagine this is going to cause problems for many users if
> not.

Why would it cause problems?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Multiple questions from a mythtv newbie...

2005-12-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 21:08, Dewey Smolka wrote:
> > 3.  MythWeb
> >
> > Perhaps I just can't do this, or perhaps I just don't know better, but is
> > there a way to create playlists (through MythWeb, or through MythMusic)? 
> > I can play a directory, or a individual song, but I can't seem to find a
> > way to create a playlist of multiple songs, and either stream them to
> > another system (say through MythWeb) or have them play through
> > MythMusic...
>
> It would be nice to set up playlists through MythWeb, but I'm not sure
> it's possible at the moment -- mainly because MW is geared towards the
> backend TV functions, while MythMusic is a frontend module.
>
> The easiest way to set up a playlist is to start Listen to Music and
> then pressing '3' inside the Music module. This will let you set up
> the active list, which will remain until you change it again. Saving
> and managing multiple playlists is still a mystery to me (and I've
> been using MythMusic for a year and a half).

Heh.  All you do is hit 'select', 'menu', or 'info' on the 'Active Play Queue' 
item in that tree, and that'll let you save the playlist.  'menu' or 'info' 
on a playlist name will let you delete/rename it or copy the entries over 
back to the active queue for editing (as opposed to just selecting the 
playlist and having it in the queue).  Playlists can contain other playlists, 
etc.  You can move items around by hitting 'select' on an item in the active 
queue and then using the up/down arrows to rearrange things.  'select' again 
deselects the item.

All that's on the 'Edit playlists' screen from pressing '3' on the playback 
screen.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:18, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 05:01:27PM -0500, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > I don't see how that's any different than just autoexpiring things,
> > though. As long as the backend is running and the user has not
> > individually disabled autoexpire for every recorded program, the disk
> > will never be completely full.
>
> If I correctly apprehend the issue, I see two potential problems, of
> differing import:
>
> 1)  If the disk is full of live recordings which will conviently expire
> to get out of the way of more important stuff, then you'll never know
> how much free space you really have.  Myth could, I suppose, do the
> math internally for it's own display, but being able to use something
> as lightweight as df(1) has it's advantages.  (cron scripts, for
> example).
>
> 2) depending on how far in advance the programs are expired, and what
> OS/filesystem is in play, the delete itself may take a notable amount
> of processor horsepower, increasing the minimum requirements of the
> system.

Both of which are absolutely no different than normal operation of Myth, which 
will "fill up" your disk anyway.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:15, Joseph A. Caputo wrote:
> Sounds to me like maybe this isn't a dedicated Myth box and/or he
> doesn't have a separate disk/partition for Myth recordings.  In which
> case, I say either bump up the amount of free space for Myth to honor,
> or get another disk.

Right - and as long as the backend is running, it will autoexpire things if 
_anything_ else wants the disk space.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:08, Dag Nygren wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 December 2005 16:57, Jeff Simpson wrote:
> > > > If there is no reason, please consider giving us an hourly resolution
> > > > in the "Keep LiveTV on disk" setup. I cannot afford keeping 24G extra
> > > > free space on my disk, at least not all the time.
> > >
> > > You shouldn't need to, I'm pretty sure. The older live shows should be
> > > automatically
> > > set to auto-expire if more important recordings come along. The disk
> > > will be technically full, but should never run into a problem of being
> > > too full, since the
> > > programs recorded live will expire to make more room.
> >
> > Yup.
>
> OK, Thanks for confirming that. Wonder why it didn't work for me though.
>
> Will it throw out  LiveTV first or are my shows marked "autoexpire" at the
> same level?

LiveTV stuff gets auto-expired before anything else, of course.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Please explain

2005-12-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 16:57, Jeff Simpson wrote:
> > If there is no reason, please consider giving us an hourly resolution
> > in the "Keep LiveTV on disk" setup. I cannot afford keeping 24G extra
> > free space on my disk, at least not all the time.
>
> You shouldn't need to, I'm pretty sure. The older live shows should be
> automatically
> set to auto-expire if more important recordings come along. The disk will
> be technically full, but should never run into a problem of being too full,
> since the
> programs recorded live will expire to make more room.

Yup.

> I think maybe there should be an option for how much liveTV to keep on
> disk, either
> as a number of hours or as an amount of free space to keep (and when to
> delete liveTV
> vs when to delete commanded recordings).

I don't see how that's any different than just autoexpiring things, though.  
As long as the backend is running and the user has not individually disabled 
autoexpire for every recorded program, the disk will never be completely 
full.

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Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!

2005-12-13 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:12, Tom Lichti wrote:
> Isaac Richards wrote:
> > On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote:
> >> Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> >>> Matt Mossholder wrote:
> >>>> 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have
> >>>> certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in
> >>>> the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where
> >>>> I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to
> >>>> use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is
> >>>> encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania
> >>>> Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable
> >>>> with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the
> >>>> guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and
> >>>> then just copying  over the HD channels from the existing source and
> >>>> marking the originals as invisible
> >>>
> >>> Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that
> >>> has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources.
> >>> Should work fine.
> >>
> >> I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is
> >> nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4
> >> sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected
> >> them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to
> >> what you want.
> >
> > You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> Good, so I did something right for a change! He should be able to then
> modify his channel listing so he only sees the available channels for
> each tuner, I would assume.

Need two sources for that, as Kevin said.

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Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!

2005-12-13 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote:
> Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> > Matt Mossholder wrote:
> >> 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have
> >> certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in
> >> the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where
> >> I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to
> >> use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is
> >> encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania
> >> Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable
> >> with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the
> >> guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and
> >> then just copying  over the HD channels from the existing source and
> >> marking the originals as invisible
> >
> > Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that
> > has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources.
> > Should work fine.
>
> I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is
> nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4
> sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected
> them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to
> what you want.

You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Anybody working on Nokia 770 front end?

2005-12-13 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 03:04, Kalle Pokki wrote:
> Isaac Richards wrote:
> >On Monday 12 December 2005 13:50, Mike Frisch wrote:
> >>Is anybody working on a port of the MythTV front end to a Nokia 770?
> >
> >I'm considering it.  Well, not a frontend port, but more of a smart remote
> >application.  The thing doesn't really have the CPU to display normally
> >recorded video from Myth.
>
> Do you plan to include scheduling recordings, browsing the EPG and stuff
> like that in the desing? Through the web browser or as a real hildon
> application?

Hadn't decided what all I'd want it to do, yet.  Most likely scheduling, 
playback file selection, control during playback, music control, etc.  Real 
app, not a web-browser, even though gtk is yucky. =)

I'm not entirely sure about spending a bunch of time on something that's going 
to be tied to a single device, though.

> I have been thinking of using the 770 as a smart remote for the mvpmc,
> as I don't have a frontend computer near the TV. It would be great if
> the scheduling functionality was done directly with myth itself. I think
> I could also find some time to contribute to this.
>
> The 770 is actually capable to display MPEG-4 video, as it has
> DSP-accelerated decoder for it. You just have to transcode to
> low-resolution MPEG-4 first. The device comes with a pre-installed
> trailer of the Ice Age, which looks pretty good. I wouldn't watch a
> movie through the small screen, but for previews it should be ok.
> Perhaps one could be fit a whole movie to a 512 MB memory card and watch
> it on the road.

Heh.  I think your definition of 'pretty good' is a lot different than mine.  
The trailer on the 770 is 352x208 at 15fps, with 8kbps mp3 audio.  Even so, 
it plays rather jerkily, and there's a lot of tearing during playback, and 
quite a few visible compression artifacts.  Also, that trailer is animated 
content from a good source.  Regular TV won't compress nearly as nicely.

That's in the 'completely not worth it to spend any time on it' quality range, 
for me.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Anybody working on Nokia 770 front end?

2005-12-12 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 12 December 2005 13:50, Mike Frisch wrote:
> Is anybody working on a port of the MythTV front end to a Nokia 770?

I'm considering it.  Well, not a frontend port, but more of a smart remote 
application.  The thing doesn't really have the CPU to display normally 
recorded video from Myth.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Touchscreen

2005-12-12 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 12 December 2005 09:56, Tom Lichti wrote:
> Peter Osterberg wrote:
> > True but that is a one way solution. I want to see music lists etc, I
> > want two way communication in the SAME device.
> >
> > I can come up with lots of solutions. This one would be really cool
> > and that is why I want it.
> > All other HTPC projects I've seen support this. I think it is sad that
> > Myth lacks mouse support since Myth i superiour when it comes to
> > everything else.
>
> Check the commits list, someone just added a patch to support mouse
> gestures. Might do what you want.

Note, the patch that's in trac does _not_ work with the current UI code.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Myth/Debian distribution

2005-12-08 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 08 December 2005 21:06, Mike Robinson wrote:
> Mike Robinson wrote:
> > I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then
> > I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
> >
> > http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README
> >
> > Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it
> > be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
> > site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
> > distribution.
>
> Okay, so I found this one:
>
> http://www.slash32.com/ubuntu-myth.html
>
> All of the Myth source seems to come from the Ubuntu.com respositories.
>   Does anyone have any experience with the Ubuntu/Myth source?  Care to
> share?

I develop Myth on Ubuntu (dapper/amd64).  I don't use the Myth packages that 
are in multiverse, of course. =)

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Re: [mythtv-users] External TV Tuner Card recommendations for Laptops

2005-12-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Saturday 03 December 2005 04:55 pm, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> Brandon Sherman wrote:
> > That link goes to a video converter, not TV tuner.  It won't work.
> >
> > Did you mean to link to this? http://www.plextor.com/english/products/
> > TV100U.htm
> > I'm not sure of the support status on this, however.
>
> The ConvertX *is* the supported device and you are correct that it is
> not a TV tuner.  You need an external tuning source like a cable box,
> satellite system, or VCR to provide the tuning and feed the video/audio
> to the ConvertX.

The Plextor TV402U has a tuner in it.

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Re: [mythtv-users] NuppelVideo container format

2005-11-27 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 27 November 2005 04:35 pm, Brian Edmonds wrote:
> On 11/27/05, Tom Lichti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Depends on the driver for this imaginary PVR card. I don't know of any
> > that will record to DivX directly.
>
> The Plextor ConvertX does DivX in hardware.  Unfortunately MythTV only
> supports it in MPEG4 mode.

Uh, divx is mpeg4.  The convertx doesn't support _any_ file format in 
hardware, it just handles video codecs.  It's up to whatever is doing the 
recording to save it into a container format.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Running Mythtv-setup without X

2005-11-25 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 25 November 2005 11:33 am, Andrew Wilson wrote:
> . Unless your master backend is a capture-less low power always-on
> system running on embedded hardware with only 32MB Ram and no possible
> VGA/TV display.  I've not even started looking at this, but it should
> certainly be possible.

Being a 'backend' means having capture cards.

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A26

2005-11-22 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 21 November 2005 11:43 pm, Cecil Watson wrote:
> My humble apologies for including a SVN version in R5A22.  It was a
> mistake.  This has been rectified alnog with a few other small fixes. 

Thanks! =)

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Re: AW: [mythtv-users] MythGame and SNES emulator woes

2005-11-22 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 22 November 2005 03:12 am, Jochen Kühner wrote:
> I also prefer you to use the svn version. You can use other emulators, too.
> Like mupen64 for n64 or emulators for sega consoles.
>
> I don't know if the svn version of mythgame works with myth 0.18, but I
> think it should.

It does not.

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Re: [mythtv-users] How to record LiveTV?

2005-11-21 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 21 November 2005 03:20 am, ffrr wrote:
> Steve Adeff wrote:
> >On Monday 21 November 2005 00:02, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> >>There's nothing there about why one should not use such a feature.  Now
> >>myth has the basic tech working, I think more effort should go into
> >>making it user friendly.
> >>
> >>The myth interface is pretty hard to sell when a family member says "on
> >>the video I used to just press record - here Ive got to spend ages
> >>navigating obscure menus, can you put the video back and remove that
> >>thing"
> >>
> >>BillK
> >
> >and then they go buy a Tivo because if your watching live tv and hit
> > record it automatically sets a manual record for the program your
> > watching using the buffer to make sure you get the whole thing.
>
> Probably one of the biggest features myth is missing.  I'm sure it is
> coming...

Been in SVN for over a week now, actually.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Opinion on mATX mobo (Asus A8N-VM CSM)?

2005-11-20 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 20 November 2005 07:18 am, Bertrand wrote:
> Asus A8N-VM CSM
>
> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=210&model=766&modelmenu=1
>
> Thoughts?

AFAICT, driver support's not there/iffy yet, check the nvnews forums.  I've 
been lookin at this board myself to upgrade my current production myth box.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: libmyth-0.18.1-114.rhfc4.at VLD fails an my Via ...

2005-11-20 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 20 November 2005 06:53 am, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> last night I found 113 and 114 SRPMs on an archive site somewhere,
> unpacked them, applied patches and then diffed them looking for any
> mention of XvMC - sure enough, I found one :
>
> diff -r 113/mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libavcodec/parser.c
> 114/mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libavcodec/parser.c
> 814c814,818
> < { CODEC_ID_MPEG1VIDEO, CODEC_ID_MPEG2VIDEO },
> ---
>
>  > { CODEC_ID_MPEG1VIDEO,
>  >   CODEC_ID_MPEG2VIDEO,
>  >   CODEC_ID_MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC,
>  >   CODEC_ID_MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC_VLD,
>  > },
>
> I unpacked a 115, hacked its patch to undo this change, rebuilt
> overnight, installed and tested this morning - result - SUCCESS :-) !
>
> I have probably not so much fixed a bug as disabled some code that was
> enabled in 114, but it works for me - I now have h/w accelerated MPEG2
> on libmyth-*115* so I am happy.
>
> Thanks for the help, Axel.
>
> Should I let someone know about this somehow, or will you feedback to them
> ?

Looks to be an atrpms problem - this code is how it should be in the 
release-18-fixes branch.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Latest version of ivtv fails to change channel in MythTV

2005-11-19 Thread Isaac Richards
On Saturday 19 November 2005 12:54 pm, Nick Rosier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> MythTV (svn) in combination with ivtv  0.4.1 (svn 2997) fails to set
> channels for my PVR-150. The 350 works fine. Myth gives these errors:
>
> 2005-11-19 18:12:00.183 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on
> card when setting channel 2

Try to delete and resetup the card - I think the ivtv people may have renamed 
the inputs on the 150/500.

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Re: [mythtv-users] 42" Plasma Deal

2005-11-16 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 07:31 am, Hugues Belanger wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have access to a great Deal on Used Plasma Screen. I've inspected all
> the units and except of very minor dings an scratches the are in perfect
> condition.
> These units have now stand but do have a wall mount bracket.

Where do I send the bill for advertising on my list?

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Re: [mythtv-users] 18.1 frontend on OS X (localhost:6543 regardless of mysql.txt) *solved*

2005-11-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 14 November 2005 08:32 pm, James Howison wrote:
> To re-confirm I changed the hostname for the MasterServerIP back to
> quahog and the behaviour returned to the original frustrations.  Can
> anyone confirm that the MasterServerIP ought to have NULL as
> hostname?  If that is the case then I'll investigate mythtv-setup on
> Knoppmyth R5A22 and see if it is erroneously setting it to the
> hostname of the backend.

Yes, MasterServerIP+Port should have NULL there.

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Re: [mythtv-users] patch to mute joystick events while mythgame is exec'ing a rom?

2005-11-13 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 13 November 2005 02:37 am, Jesse Guardiani wrote:
> On Sunday 13 November 2005 12:00 am, Jesse Guardiani wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Last night I recompiled MythTV-0.18.1 with joystick
> > support so I could use my wireless X-Box controller
> > as a remote when I'm not playing games.
> >
> > I soon realized that this causes a problem:
> > When a ROM is executing (snes9x in this case), MythTV
> > continues to read joystick events. So when the ROM is
> > exited all of the events that have been queued up are
> > played back. Usually this means that additional ROMs
> > are executed. Exiting them brings on more. And it just
> > continues until all of the joystick events are consumed.
> >
> > I've been reading the code, and it looks like a Mute
> > Event can be sent. Does anyone have a patch that sends
> > a joystick mute event from MythGame before a ROM is
> > executed?
>
> I *think* I've solved this bug with the attached patch.
> The only problem is that MythTV doesn't install the
> mythtv/jsmenuevent.h header by default, so anyone wanting
> to give this patch a try will need to copy the header from
> the source tar.gz to the proper place on their system before
> compiling.
>
> I'll try to remember to submit a bug report on this in
> the morning.

No need - this is what myth_system() is for (it'll also block lirc events) in 
libmyth/util.h, and mythgame was switched to use it a while back in SVN.

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Re: [mythtv-users] NVidia 6200, 6600 and XVideo

2005-11-10 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 10 November 2005 11:28 pm, Peter Zelezny wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has the whole story on the Xvideo
> issue with NVidia's 6200 or 6600[GT] cards?
>
> I've been getting mixed messages, some say it simply will
> not work:
>
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00205.html
>
> while others say Xv works fine for them. Can someone give
> a more confident answer on this?

Works fine, as long as you don't need the overlay for anything.  Hardware 
scaling, colorspace conversion, and display are all still present.  Just no 
hardware overlay (which myth doesn't use).  The email you link to is wrong - 
really, the only things that don't work are xawtv in overlay mode and 
adjusting the picture controls.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 11:46 pm, Steve Adeff wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 November 2005 21:19, Donavan Stanley wrote:
> > On 11/8/05, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > your right, i'd rather not argue with the ignorant.
> >
> > And yet you're on a mailing list for a piece of software largely written
> > by this "idiot".
>
> not idiot, just ignorant in this case. I'm no idiot, yet I'm ignorant to
> coding, so I don't try to. But I can help in other areas, so I do try. My
> issue with Isaac is that he refuses to believe that the grammar of the
> svn.mythtv.org page may be incorrect.

You didn't change any grammar on the page, except for the section title I 
mentioned before.  You moved a couple paragraphs, and incidentally added 
wrong info (for the 'Before submitting Bugs' section, the 'TicketHowTo' page 
has the correct info).  

Check the diff:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/WikiStart?action=diff&version=17&old_version=16

Please tell me what grammar you changed?  I can't find anything.  Maybe your 
definition of grammar is different from the rest of the English speaking 
world?

> so I won't get into that except to 
> emphasize the fact that this would not be the first F/OSS project I've tried 
> to involve myself in only to find that the developers have very little use 
> for improving the user experience.

Maybe it's you? =)  All I did was revert what I felt were bad changes to my 
_main_ svn page, after it was clear that you wouldn't change things.  I'd be 
perfectly happy with them on another page of the wiki.  For that, I get 
called 'ignorant'.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-08 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 06:53 pm, Steve Adeff wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 November 2005 18:02, R. Geoffrey Newbury wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:12:18 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > >> Just to let folks know I modified the http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ page
> > >> to include information on how to checkout a specific revision and
> > >> which is the last revision before live tv was broken.
> > >
> > >That doesn't belong on the main page.  If people are going to use svn,
> > > they can do the minimal amount of reading of the svn docs that they
> > > would need to do to figure out how to get a specific revision.
> > >
> > >Isaac
> >
> > Must...
> > control..urge..to..write..more...
>
> please do!
>
> I also see the grammar changes were reverted, nice to know all good deeds
> go punsihed around here.

Oh get off it.  The only 'grammar' change was 'Wanting to help out' to 'Want 
to help out'.  I'd say either one's right, depending on if you're dropping 
'Are you' or 'Do you' from the sentence.

I said I didn't want the extra clutter on the main page, and you didn't seem 
to agree, so I just reverted things rather than argue.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-08 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 03:26 pm, Steve Adeff wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 November 2005 15:12, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > That doesn't belong on the main page.  If people are going to use svn,
> > they can do the minimal amount of reading of the svn docs that they would
> > need to do to figure out how to get a specific revision.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> but they don't.

Adding extra clutter to the front page isn't going to magically transform 
those people into people who read docs. =)

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-08 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 03:02 pm, Steve Adeff wrote:
> On Monday 07 November 2005 22:44, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> > Atif Khan wrote:
> > > Thanks for clarifying. I just subscribed to the list.
> > > I did try to compile the subversion stable release, but I was running
> > > into problems with it compiling on gcc 4.0.1. Is there a version out
> > > there that compiles with gcc4?
> >
> > Well, the last fix to release-0-18-fixes was "gcc 4.0.1 compile fixes"...
> >
> > http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ for instructions on downloading "the stable
> > 0.18.2 branch."
> >
> > Mike
>
> Just to let folks know I modified the http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ page to
> include information on how to checkout a specific revision and which is the
> last revision before live tv was broken.

That doesn't belong on the main page.  If people are going to use svn, they 
can do the minimal amount of reading of the svn docs that they would need to 
do to figure out how to get a specific revision.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-07 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 07 November 2005 11:14 am, Atif Khan wrote:
> That's not really helpful :(
>
> What am I missing?

Multiple postings to this list today, my original post to botthe dev and users 
lists saying that live-tv will be broken for a while, two useless bugs in 
trac, a couple posts to the dev list, the commit log of the checkin that 
disabled live-tv, etc.

Since you're using svn, you're expected to be _READING_ at least the dev and 
commits/trac list.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Watch TV button in frontend does not do anything

2005-11-07 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 07 November 2005 11:07 am, Atif Khan wrote:
> I compiled and installed MythTV from scratch on Mandriva 2006 (x86_64).
> Everything works fine when I launch the frontend except for "Watch TV"
> option on the first screen. When I click on it, nothing happens. Nothing is
> printed in the logs either for the frontend or backend. But if I launch
> "mythtv" from console (not the frontend), it works fine. I can change the
> channels, skip, forward etc.

People need to learn how to read.

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythWeb: some recordings show air dates of 12/31/69

2005-11-05 Thread Isaac Richards
On Saturday 05 November 2005 02:58 pm, Daniel Segel wrote:
> I figured this one out already: the progstart and progend fields in the
> recorded table were set to 00:00:00 for some recordings. I did an update
> and set them equal to the starttime and endtime values and everything is
> OK again.
>
> Both sets of fields seem to have the same data. Anybody know why there
> are two fields holding the same values in the recorded table?

Original start/end times of the program, and what was actually recorded.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Frontend for home theater

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 08:18 pm, Michael Tiller wrote:
> At work we just got a $700 computer projector that looks fantastic. I
> hooked my laptop up to it while watching a widescreen DVD and it even seems
> to support the widescreen format quite nicely.
>
> So, I'm thinking about getting one of these for my basement. My plan would
> be to mount it on the ceiling and project it against a wall. I'd also like
> to hook a very simple MythTV frontend up to it. My plan would be to have
> only a DVD reader, small hardrive (if necessary), network and video card in
> it (i.e. no tuner cards and no direct live TV feed to the projector...only
> live TV from a backend over the network).

http://www.mythtv.org/basement/6-Projector/1-screen_mounted.jpg

That's my production mythtv setup.  Panasonic PT-AE700U projector, homemade 
screen.

> Here are a few questions:
>
> 1) Any comments on why this might be a bad idea? :-) It sure looks
> attractive to me.

The biggest negative is that it's really not the best use of bulb life to be 
doing stuff like listening to music for hours.

> 2) Any special issues with video cards? When I hooked my laptop up the
> projector we have at work, it seemed like my laptop was putting out a
> special resolution on the output port and that the projector was matching
> it. The widescreen version looked great. Will all video cards+X.conf be
> able to provide the optimal widescreen resolution or is this a special
> feature to look for?

Most digital projectors these days have vga and hdmi/dvi input, and fairly 
standard resolutions.  I've had no problems displaying 1280x720 on mine.

> 4) I've got a fairly nice 5.1 receiver plus speakers. Anything special I
> need to hook that up to a computer? If I play a DVD, will it send a
> pro-logic encoded signal over normal "line out" or do I need to have a
> sound card that can split it up locally and then send out all the signals
> separately? I may just skip the 5.1 for now use simulated surround sound.

I don't do DVD playback on mine (still prefer to use a standalone dvd 
changer), but you can pass through the audio with a digital out..

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 10:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:06:32 -0500
> From: Isaac Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> You got 'burned' because you didn't even _look_ at the capture card
> list after setting up any of your cards.  All the device paths that have
> been setup are on that list.  They're also in the input connections list. 
> You didn't notice, is all.
>
> I -did- look.  I failed to notice what was going on, especially since
> there are lots of 0's that are correct---just not those /dev/video0's.

There's nothing on that page besides the pathnames + device types.  Slightly 
difficult to miss.

> As I've said before, you're too close to realize that there's a whole
> lot of information whizzing by in this interface, and that -you-, as an
> expert, know exactly where to direct your attention to avoid problems.
> On the other hand, I, as nonexpert, did not.

Then why are you still arguing, if you think my opinion's not valid?

> Ok, I'll dare.  In some cases (if you wanted to setup the analog + hd
> parts of a hdX000, which doesn't quite work right yet), duplicate paths
> could be right.  I see no reason to disallow this.
>
> Okay, then do you see no reason to have it put up a big fat warning
> saying, "You're probably doing the wrong thing!  Are you sure?"  That
> was my original suggestion, if you'll recall.  That -one- check would
> have saved me a week of work, and (as it turns out) the list several
> 10's of K of messages talking about the whole thing.

I don't recall your original suggestion.  It was buried in a 10kb email that 
could have been stated in 2 sentences.  I stopped reading after the first 
couple pages.

> So far, though, you say that (in some future situation which doesn't
> even work yet) this should be allowed.  Meanwhile, people right now
> have been screwed by the current situation.  Seems to me that you
> should make the common mistake difficult, at the risk of making the
> unlikely future action require one additional keystroke.

This is the very first time I've ever heard of someone assigning multiple 
capture cards in the setup program to the same physical device.

The "common" error at that stage of setup is assigning the wrong type of card.  
Lots of people say their ivtv card is using the bttv drivers.

> And I've gotten confirmation from a couple dozen people that you're off
> your rocker.  Goes both ways.
>
> Sure does.  Let's trade more numbers.  It's fun.
>
> Sure, there are useability problems.
>
> It's good to hear some public acknowledgment of that.
>
> Your attitude is getting in the way of
> me responding to them, or even caring about what you're bringing up. 
> If you want to fix them, learn how to act on a public mailing list.
>
> Fine.  Don't publicly insult people if you want to appear reasonable.
> Yet every single piece of mail you've sent me so far as been insulting.

I believe you started off this thread by this:

"How could this happen?  Because mythtv-setup is the absolute -mother-
of all usability screwups."  and you continued in that vein.

Considering that I *wrote* much of mythtv-setup, do you think that that's any 
way to make me think you're _not_ just your standard slashdot troll?

> Learn how to
> reply to emails properly - your quoting is horrendous.
>
> Please explain.

That's funny.  Look at your emails in the pipermail archives.  Can you tell 
who wrote what?  It's rather difficult.  Hell, just look at the completely 
random amount of indentation you've put in this reply.  You reset the subject 
line every email, too.

>   Learn how to state a
> problem _succinctly_.  Do that, and everybody'll get along just fine.
>
> The succint statements got flamey responses.

The 'flamey' statements got 'flamey' responses.  The long ones didn't get any, 
because I, at least, didn't bother to read them.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Breaking Live-TV

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 10:00 pm, Chad wrote:
> On 11/4/05, Isaac Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In about a half hour, I'll be checking in code that completely disables
> > Live TV.  This is so I can work on #340:
> >
> > http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/340
> >
> > The 'Live-TV' menu item will simply not respond to hitting it.  If you
> > want to see how things are progressing, just remove the 'return;' at line
> > 243 of programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp.  That will reenable livetv, but
> > it'll be really quite broken. =)
>
> That looks like quite the tast to undertake!  Would this be a
> milestone that jumps us lightyears ahead to a ver 1.0?

Heh.  0.19 should be released shortly after things stabilize again.

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:04:50 -0400
> From: Greg Estabrooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Currently, MythTV's configuration system looks like the "Bad Example"
> > section of any book on user interface design.  Class, let's review:
>
>  Then get to it, or try to encourage those who have the ability to
> do the work. But to do that would require a less "YOU SUCK, EVERYTHING
> YOU DO SUCKS" position. And while I understand that may not be your intent
> it is how your posts come off.
>
> It's certainly not my intent, and I appreciate your comments and those
> of some private posters who are trying to set me right on this score.
>
> But consider how this started:  I got burned -really- badly (days of
> lost work) because of a bad UI.  So I posted the reasons it was a
> problem.  And then I posted a list of -other- UI problems that I'd
> written a week earlier, before I even knew I was about to be
> victimized by -more- bad UI :)

You got 'burned' because you didn't even _look_ at the capture card list after 
setting up any of your cards.  All the device paths that have been setup are 
on that list.  They're also in the input connections list.  You didn't 
notice, is all.

> Now consider the reaction:
>
> The -public- reaction was predominantly negative, mostly consisting of
> thinly veiled "you're an idiot" sorts of responses, and often eliding
> the most serious of the bugs and instead attacking the trivial ones.
> (E.g., no one yet has dared to argue that the UI -shouldn't- be
> checking for duplicate devnames in the Capture Cards menu, presumably
> because it's an indefensible position.)

Ok, I'll dare.  In some cases (if you wanted to setup the analog + hd parts of 
a hdX000, which doesn't quite work right yet), duplicate paths could be 
right.  I see no reason to disallow this.

> The -private- reaction was overwhelmingly positive, and extremely
> disturbing.  I'm currently sitting on messages from at least half a
> dozen people who have -all- said in their messages that they are
> AFRAID TO SPEAK UP because they don't want the sort of public
> vilification that I've just endured.  Either they don't want to deal
> with being the victims of a flamefest, or they're afraid of not being
> listened to when they want help later; their reasons vary, but they're
> all depressing.

And I've gotten confirmation from a couple dozen people that you're off your 
rocker.  Goes both ways.

Sure, there are useability problems.  Your attitude is getting in the way of 
me responding to them, or even caring about what you're bringing up.  If you 
want to fix them, learn how to act on a public mailing list.  Learn how to 
reply to emails properly - your quoting is horrendous.  Learn how to state a 
problem _succinctly_.  Do that, and everybody'll get along just fine.

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[mythtv-users] Breaking Live-TV

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
In about a half hour, I'll be checking in code that completely disables Live 
TV.  This is so I can work on #340:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/340

The 'Live-TV' menu item will simply not respond to hitting it.  If you want to 
see how things are progressing, just remove the 'return;' at line 243 of 
programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp.  That will reenable livetv, but it'll be 
really quite broken. =)

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:44 pm, ffrr wrote:
> Greg Estabrooks wrote:
> > A Clear Mythbug should be entered into trac. Preferrably a bug that
> > exists in latest SVN. Noone wants to waste time trying to track down a
> > described bug to find out that it was infact fixed months ago :)
>
> Can I venture something here?  Advice, strongly given here, is to only
> use 18.1, i.e. a released version.  Those who have not, like Knoppmyth,
> and the PLF rpms, have been taken to task for it.  How, then, can users
> report bugs?  There is NO way for them to know what's in the latest
> SVN.Wouldn't a developer be aware of, or be easily able to check,
> whether a reported bug had yet been fixed since the last release?

Nono - *Users* can use SVN.  That's encouraged, as long as they know what 
they're getting in to.  It's when people release packages that don't even 
acknowledge the fact that it's a SVN checkout that I get really annoyed.  
Then a user is using SVN without even knowing it, and that's a really bad 
thing.

> I know you said 'preferably' but I'm afraid this will seldom be the case
> for the great majority of users. Or am I wrong, and is everyone running
> late SVN builds?

In my experience, the people that report the best bugs are using current SVN 
builds.  It's not that big of a deal if someone repots something that's 
already been fixed, it just saves us a lot of time if the reporter checks to 
see if it's been fixed first.

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV Installer Usability: An Analysis

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:33:41AM -0500, Dewey Smolka wrote:
> > One of these is that the ring buffer is not a standard recording, so
> > that when you change channels, for example, the ring buffer is erased
> > and restarted.
>
> I know the question has been asked before, but it begs repeating: WHY?

It was much simpler to implement that way.

> Why do you need to delete a buffer and then recreate it when you could
> simply stop sending data to the buffer until a new signal comes in and
> then continue from where you left off?

Because the video format can change when you change channels, and restarting 
the buffer made handling this easier.

> This behavior would suggest 
> that the code implimenting the buffer is too tightly integrated into
> the tuner code and should be refactored as a separate module.

It suggests no such thing, really.  The buffer's got nothing to do with the 
'tuner code'.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Using the remote to enter program searches

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 07:55 pm, Daniel Segel wrote:
> I know how to cycle through the letters using the 0-9 number keys (a la
> cell phone texting), but how do you correct an entry? I'd like a
> delete-right or delete-left function. Do I need to map one of my remote
> keys to the backspace key, or is it already there somewhere?

The 'X' on 1 acts as a backspace.

If you're using SVN, though, hit select on the text entry.  You'll get a 
spiffy pop-up keyboard. =)

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 06:14 pm, Josh Burks wrote:
> On 11/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:45:55 -0600
> > From: Josh Burks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > On 11/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: 
> >
> > Maybe you should ask for your money back... :)
> >
> > Maybe I should ask for my -time- back.  Pity I spent all this money
> > on this pile o' hardware over here...
> >
> > Seriously:  You're apparently making the same "it was free, so you
> > have no right to complain" argument that a lot of people have made
> > about various problems in F/OSS and elsewhere.  That denigrates the
> > real problems that real people are having, not to mention insulting
> > all the time, sweat, and tears that real people have already spent
> > in building the system so far, -and- likewise the effort that the
> > users have spent on getting the results to work.
> >
> > Sorry, but yours is a bogus argument, and you should know it.
> > I'm trying to make this a better system.  One way to do this is to
> > complain, because otherwise problems can lurk for a long time without
> > getting fixed.  Not only does it raise the chances that somebody with
> > commit privs will actually be willing to check in fixes, it raises the
> > chances that somebody -else- who's also pissed-off about the state of
> > the world will go and spend the time hacking to fix it, now that they
> > know they're not the only one, that a fix would improve the lives of
> > -lots- of people, and that their fix will be accepted into the tree.
>
> Maybe you should take your complaints to the -dev list if you REALLY
> want them fixed. I haven't seen a single post from you over there yet.
> This is a users list. I like to read the posts to see if I can help
> with others problems, but wading through you novels about KnoppMyth's
> useablity and Mythtv in general is getting old fast.

He should only post on the dev list if he wants starts contributing in a 
useful manner.  The users list is for random bitching, the dev list is for 
people who want to help.

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 06:43 pm, R. Geoffrey Newbury wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:01:42 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote:
> >On Friday 04 November 2005 04:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Have you ever used _anything_ with a remote control before?  I guarantee
> > that there's not a "Press the 'Guide' button to bring up the program
> > guide" message burned in to your TV from it being displayed all the time.
> >
> >Did you even bother to read the mythtv howto?  It lists all the commands:
> >http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html
>
> Sorry Isaac but that page makes NO mention of the keys working in
> mythtv-setup...
> and it never occurred to me that the remote would work *during setup*.
> Silly of me...Some reflection would have lead me to the realization that
> the built-in lirc stuff would be available.  But...
> I still haven't got my remote working properly (nothing to do with myth..
> its a lirc_imon thing...) so I cannot use the remote at all. I am forced
> to use the keyboard.

'M'enu and 'I'nfo are pretty much global keybindings, just like the arrows and 
number keys.  The entire myth UI is meant to be useable with a remote, 
including the setup app.  That's the entire point of the whole application.

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Re: [mythtv-users] manual scheduling -> "no upcoming recordings"

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 04:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:07:41 -0400
> From: Greg Estabrooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > (for example) that there's no way to DELETE a single card from
>
>  I'm pretty sure that you can just Highlight the card and hit Menu (M).
> Then pick delete.
>
> Such a pity, then that the UI gave me NO CLUE WHATSOEVER
> that it was possible to type letters when sitting on entries,
> or what those letters might do.
>
> Are there other commands besides M?  Where are they documented?
> Why are they not documented RIGHT ON THAT VERY SCREEN?  I mean,
> there's plenty o' real estate just sitting there blank...
>
> Are there other places where typing letters would work?  Where?
>
> [Typing a ? while sitting on an entry did nothing.  Surely I'm not
> expected to just type every possible character, with and without every
> possible modifier, to figure out if there are any other easter eggs in
> this particular screen.  And then there are all the -other- screens...]

Have you ever used _anything_ with a remote control before?  I guarantee that 
there's not a "Press the 'Guide' button to bring up the program guide" 
message burned in to your TV from it being displayed all the time.

Did you even bother to read the mythtv howto?  It lists all the commands: 
http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html

Seriously, this is just getting laughable.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: MythTV Installer Usability: An Analysis

2005-11-04 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 04 November 2005 01:09 pm, R. Geoffrey Newbury wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:33:41 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:36:58 GMT
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >:? Dude, you've describe nothing about "MyhtTV Installer" in this
> >: thread.
> >
> >Issues w/ KnoppMyth should be posted KnoppMyth forum and NOT on the
> > MythTV mailing list.
>
> Lets see: using Fedora Core 4,
>
> >the various issues of:
> > badly-done mythtv-setup forms (and poor error checking);

Argueable.

> > incorrect initial SQL database population for two-machine setups;

knoppmyth bug, since they chose to use a random svn checkout.

> > invisible text cursors in network address boxes,

Likely due to whatever Qt theme is the default one in knoppmyth. 

> and
>
> > the installer's ambiguous wording in remote choices;

mythtv-setup doesn't have do anything with the remote.

> are ALL mythtv-setup problems. I've never tried Knoppmyht so I'm not
> suffering from repressed memories

So, no.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 07:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Isaac Richards writes:
> > On Thursday 03 November 2005 02:28 pm, Jim Reith wrote:
> >> I'm assuming you're not the original poster. My point was that
> >> whomever complained about KnoppMyth here should have looked to the
> >> forum that supports it and that is monitored by the distro packager
> >> before complaining in the general list.
> >
> > Judging by the official answers in that thread you linked to, people
> > should be asking questions on this list.
> >
> > Isaac
>
> All this excitement over a little mistake.  Isaac, I truly appreciate what
> you've started with MythTV.  It is _the way_ I watch TV.  However, I don't
> appreciate your tone in this thread.  

My tone is entirely because of the responses I've received up to this point.

> I didn't just pull random version of 
> SVN to use with my latest release.  Following the directions on
> svn.mythtv.org, I did the following:
>
> svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv
>
> Was I wrong in my zeal to try and include the latest "stable" release with
> of MythTV with KnoppMyth?

You did _not_ do that for the version you've included in R5A22.  That's a 
fact, not something that can be argued.  If you had, the protocol version 
would be 15, not 18.

> In packaging MythTV for KnoppMyth, there _are_ no additional dependencies
> other than what it needs (Thanks to Matt for the original diffs).  MythTV
> in KnoppMyth is _no_ different than MythTV in any other distro.  We simply
> try to make everything easy to install (Linux, MythTV, NFS, Samba, Apache,
> Xine, MPlayer, nuv2disc, etc...).  One can install KnoppMyth, remove the
> packaged debs and compile MythTV from source if one chooses.
>
> Now for giggles, I tried the following a few minutes ago:
>
> svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
>
> Then in a different directory:
>
> svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv
>
> Low and behold, they both checked out the _same_ version (7689).  Perhaps
> that is the root of the problem?

The revision number (7689) is for the repository as a whole, not a specific 
branch.  Check the header in libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h for the actual vesion 
number.  This can be confusing for someone who's never used svn before.

I just checked, and the posted instructions for how to grab the 
release-0-18-fixes branch work perfectly.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Selling my PVR-250 (TV Tuner)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 06:57 pm, Sam Krupa wrote:
> My family got fed-up with the slow channel changing of MythTV, so I
> was forced to sell my PVR-250 card )-:
>
> Here is a link to the eBay auction:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31&i
>tem=8718488287
>
> It is selling for $100 off the retail price.
>
> Thanks!

My advertising fee for this list is fairly high.  Where should I send the 
bill?

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 02:28 pm, Jim Reith wrote:
> I'm assuming you're not the original poster. My point was that
> whomever complained about KnoppMyth here should have looked to the
> forum that supports it and that is monitored by the distro packager
> before complaining in the general list.

Judging by the official answers in that thread you linked to, people should be 
asking questions on this list.

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 02:05 pm, Jim Reith wrote:
> At 01:51 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> >On 03 Nov 2005 09:39:30 -0800, Jim Reith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > At 11:04 AM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> > > >The version of ivtv distributed has absolutely nothing to do
> >
> > with the version
> >
> > > >of mythtv in the distribution.
> > >
> > > yes it does. It has everything to do with it. It was a package deal.
> > > There was a need for people to have a turnkey ivtv 4.0 solution and
> > > someone took the time to put the package together in a usable form.
> > > it fits a need and it is appreciated by those of us using it.
> >
> >Wait - you have to have the SVN version of MythTV to use IVTV 4.0?
>
> not specifically to my understanding but there were interdependencies

There are _no_ interdependencies between ivtv 4 and mythtv.  Myth doesn't care 
what version of ivtv you use (as long as it's not pre-1.0).

> in the packages put together and a lot of the problems people were
> having on the ivtv-dev list were what caused the release to be put
> together. Lots had changed from R5A16 to 22 and so it was felt that
> we wanted a more recent starting point to work from and people wanted
> to use the autodetect features of ivtv 4.0 for all the cards
> supported since ivtv 2.0 in R5A16 (pvr-150/500 for example)

And again, there's nothing there that requires using the SVN version of Myth.

Why do you keep using the newer version of ivtv as an excuse for this?  It has 
absolutely nothing to do with the version of mythtv in the distro.

> And as I said before, KnoppMyth problems should be vetted in the
> mysettopbox.tv forums at least initially

I'm not signing up for a crappy forum.

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 12:39 pm, Jim Reith wrote:
> At 11:04 AM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> >On Thursday 03 November 2005 10:54 am, Jim Reith wrote:
> > > >People need to stop distributing SVN versions.  The people who do
> > > > don't ever think what they're doing will break people's
> > > > multi-computer setups. It's also pretty idiotic to pick a random
> > > > checkout date and release as if it were stable.  This is _not_
> > > > 0.18.2, or anything related to it.
> > > >
> > > >As far as I'm concerned, nobody should use KnoppMyth until they revert
> > > > to using a stable release, or at _least_ a checkout from the
> > > > release-0-18-fixes branch..
> > >
> > > but it is perfectly acceptable for those of us using single machines
> > > and it does resolve the problem with needing to move to the Stable
> > > ivtv 4.0 branch that many of us need
> >
> >The version of ivtv distributed has absolutely nothing to do with the
> > version of mythtv in the distribution.
>
> yes it does. It has everything to do with it. It was a package deal.

Uhh, that's just too ignorant to respond to.  They're not tied together in any 
way.  The knoppmyth packager could easily have used myth 0.18 instead of an 
unstable, untested, partially broken SVN checkout.

> There was a need for people to have a turnkey ivtv 4.0 solution and
> someone took the time to put the package together in a usable form.
> it fits a need and it is appreciated by those of us using it. It was
> stable for what it was intended. Just because people are using mixed
> environments and not updating all of the systems in a cluster isn't a
> reason for the maintainer to reverse the solution. If all machines
> were upgraded the protocol issue goes away. 18.2 or 19.0 isn't on the
> horizon. Something better that 2.0 has been needed for a while.

"All machines" simply can't be upgraded.  There's nothing to upgrade _to_.  
Current SVN is using protocol version 19, not the version 18 that knoppmyth 
decided to use.  0.19, when it is released, will be using at least version 
20.

There is _no_ notice of what particular date/revision the version of mythtv in 
knoppmyth is in the changelog of knoppmyth or the release announcement.  
Whoever decided to package up a SVN version of 0.19 did so right in the 
middle of the big DVB rewrite.  This was an extremely ignorant thing to do.

> besides, you always have the option of using any one of several other
> distributions or rolling your own. That's the whole point of "your
> mileage may vary"
>
> > > it just needs the caveat stated somewhere visible
> >
> >No, it needs to be fixed ASAFP.
>
> go for it. This is open source. Dive in and make it so. Don't put
> demands on others.

Sure.  I can pretty easily fix this by putting up a big "DO NOT USE KNOPPMYTH 
R5A22, IT WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED" posting on the main page of the mythtv 
website.  I don't particularly want to do that, but I will if this doesn't 
get resolved relatively quickly.

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 10:54 am, Jim Reith wrote:
> >People need to stop distributing SVN versions.  The people who do don't
> > ever think what they're doing will break people's multi-computer setups. 
> > It's also pretty idiotic to pick a random checkout date and release as if
> > it were stable.  This is _not_ 0.18.2, or anything related to it.
> >
> >As far as I'm concerned, nobody should use KnoppMyth until they revert to
> >using a stable release, or at _least_ a checkout from the
> > release-0-18-fixes branch..
>
> but it is perfectly acceptable for those of us using single machines
> and it does resolve the problem with needing to move to the Stable
> ivtv 4.0 branch that many of us need

The version of ivtv distributed has absolutely nothing to do with the version 
of mythtv in the distribution.

> it just needs the caveat stated somewhere visible

No, it needs to be fixed ASAFP.

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Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth R5A22 seriously broken (was: RE: Mythtv -0.18.1 using protocol 15)

2005-11-03 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 03 November 2005 10:13 am, Michael Bochynski wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:24 +, fred bloggs wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I've had an install of Mythtv on gentoo for a few months, and it has been
> > working fine - and happily works with a frontend from another gentoo
> > install.
> >
> > However, last night I was trying to get a Knoppmyth frontend and also
> > winMyth to work, and when they connect to my backend I get the error:
> >
> > MainServer::HandleVersion - Client speaks protocol version 18 but we
> > speak 15!
> >
> > The backend is version  0.18.1.20050510-1, the gentoo install is version
> > mythtv-0.18.1-r1, and the tarball is called mythtv-0.18.1.tar.bz2 - so I
> > am pretty sure I am running 0.18.1:)
> >
> > Looking at problems people have had with protocol errors the protocol
> > number seems to track the release number, so why is my 0.18,1 install
> > using an old protocol - 15, and how can I get it to use 18?
> >
> > thanks
>
> I had the same problem. It turns out that the Knoppmyth R5A22 has Mythtv
> 0.18.2svn, which supposedly uses protocol 18.

People need to stop distributing SVN versions.  The people who do don't ever 
think what they're doing will break people's multi-computer setups.  It's 
also pretty idiotic to pick a random checkout date and release as if it were 
stable.  This is _not_ 0.18.2, or anything related to it.

As far as I'm concerned, nobody should use KnoppMyth until they revert to 
using a stable release, or at _least_ a checkout from the release-0-18-fixes 
branch..

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Re: [mythtv-users] Cannot scan with PVR500 in setup and :: data:: Column 3 out of range: error

2005-10-20 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:44 pm, Simpson, Richard wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Johnston
> >
> > No, the PVR-500 *IS NOT* a V4L card, it is an IVTV card.
>
> Ivtv is an opensource driver for the Hauppage PVR 150/250/350/500 and a few
> other cards. Video for linux (V4L2)provides the standard API utilized by
> IVTV. See http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q1

It provides _part_ of it.  You cannot read data like a standard v4l card.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Starting to think I should use Kaffeine instead of Mythtv

2005-10-18 Thread Isaac Richards


Why do people bother responding to this kind of crap?  If someone is being so 
ignorant as to threaten to use another software package just to get some 
attention, let them.  Seems like a good scheme to get a lot of replies, but I 
think it's pretty idiotic.

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Re: [mythtv-users] seperate frontend settings for different machines?

2005-10-12 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 12 October 2005 09:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:48:03PM -0400, Steve Adeff wrote:
> > I just got myth compiled on my laptop to use as a frontend and I'm
> > noticing that its using the same settings as the frontend on my backend.
> > is this supposed to happen?
>
> It's optional.
>
> Go to "Utilities/Setup", "Setup", "General", and on page 2 check the
> option to "Use custom identifier for frontend preferences" and specify a
> unique name for the machine.

Or, you could just give your machines unique hostnames.

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Re: [mythtv-users] (SOLVED) Video lasts for only 1 second on live TV

2005-10-12 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 12 October 2005 10:40 pm, Shawn wrote:
> Nick wrote:
> > On 12/10/05, Alberto Alonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I hate when this happens.
> >>
> >> After reviewing the error messages that were displayed over and
> >> over again I've been doing google searches on many keywork
> >> combinations. Eventually I stumbled into this solution:
> >>
> >> Change tuner input from Television to Tuner 0
> >
> > Is this a knoppmyth 'feature' or ivtv? Every time I've used ivtv
> > with a tuner it's been 'Tuner 0'
>
> It really has nothing to do with Knoppmyth, but rather the default
> MythTV settings while using a Hardware MPEG-2 card.  By default
> "Television" is selected, so most people just "Next" right through it.

For PVR cards, the default is 'S-Video 0', or whatever is the first probed 
input on the card.  It is not 'Television'.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Channel Hopping

2005-10-07 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 07 October 2005 11:34 pm, Tim Sailer wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 09:21:55AM -0400, Fred Squires wrote:
> > On 10/6/05, James Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Lee wrote:
> > > >> There was a recent lengthy (and somewhat heated) thread in the dev
> > > >> list about this. The technical reason for the delay is because the
> > > >> system has to do the following things when changing a channel on
> > > >> "Live TV":
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) Tune the channel.
> > > >> 2) Start encoding the feed.
> > > >> 3) Store the file.
> > > >> 4) Decode the file.
> > > >>
> > > >> Each of these steps takes a little time. If you don't do them, you
> > > >> lost the ability to pause or rewind Live TV, which is one of the
> > > >> sexy things about a PVR.
> >
> > My question is, why delete the ringbuffer at all when changing channels?
> > Just tune to the new channel and continue writing to the same buffer as
> > before. That might make changing channels faster and you'd be able to
> > skip back to something from before the channel change. It would also make
> > accidental channel changes less costly.
>
> My thought on this is why reuse the same ringbuffer? If you change
> channels, why not start another buffer, and delete the old one in another
> process/thread? Big buffers take time to delete if you are using
> ext2/3 filesystems. Maybe the others would make it faster...

Please people, at least try and read the threads from the last 8 or 9 times 
this has come up.  The ringbuffer file is not deleted on a channel change.

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Re: [mythtv-users] New MythMusic Theme - 4 bins

2005-10-06 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 06 October 2005 09:24 am, John Erickson wrote:
> On 10/2/05, Nick Parkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have designed a new layout for MythMusic which uses
> > 4 bins on the screen. This design is orientated
> > towards people with large mp3 collections of complete
> > albums for ease of manipulation.
>
> For some definitions of "large mp3 collections" this works.  However,
> I'd be terrified to scroll through my artist listing without any
> breakdown on letters.  Some form of jump to letter, in line searching
> (T9 style search via regex), or tree breakdown based on letters would
> be needed (along with page up/down).

Meaning, pretty much what the existing playlist editor does? =)  Scrolling 
through a single list of thousands of items, even with pageup/pagedown just 
doesn't work.

Personally, I don't really see what this 'new interface' brings except for 
clutter on screen.  The playlist editor interface can do all this in a much 
cleaner manner.

> Something else I'd really like to see is better schema support for
> multiple artists per track.  Right now all of the data for a track is
> a single line in the database.  I'd like to see artists in their own
> table and a many to many between them and the rest of the track data
> (along with an album table and a one to many from the tracks to the
> album, but anyway..).

This would be good.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: torrentocracy problem

2005-09-28 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 28 September 2005 12:58 pm, Adam Prentice wrote:
> Ashu,
>
>   What linux distribution are you using?   I'm on FC3 and have got
> torrentocracy to compile and install, however it doesn't work for me.   The
> start and stop torrent buttons are non functional on my system.

Please discuss non-official plugins with their respective authors.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Desperate to rebuild WAF

2005-09-26 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 26 September 2005 11:52 am, Bill Omer wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Does anyone know where I might be able to download a copy, or someone
> > who might be able to burn a copy (I'll furnish a dvd-r)? Thanks.
>
> I feel your pain.  My WAF has dropped too because of the same type of
> problem.
>
> This might be what you are looking:

Ok, since there's aparently too many idiots on this list, anyone continuing 
this thead or similar will be banned from posting.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Desperate to rebuild WAF

2005-09-26 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 26 September 2005 07:57 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, the WAF has just plummeted when I failed to record the season opener
> of Desperate Houswives last night. I had been meaning to get rid of the
> channel listings for the dish network channels we don't receive, but I
> hadn't yet and it bit me. It picked one of the non-functioning channels and
> recorded garbage.
>
> Does anyone know where I might be able to download a copy, or someone who
> might be able to burn a copy (I'll furnish a dvd-r)? Thanks.

This is not the place to ask for this crap.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Turning Timestretch On and Off

2005-09-25 Thread Isaac Richards
On Sunday 25 September 2005 03:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone out there use Timestretch much? I have been using it a bit
> lately and I quite like it. I just wish there was an easy way to toggle it
> on and off.
>
> >From what I have found, the only way to turn it on is to press 'A' and
> > then
>
> press the right arrow until it reaches the speed at which you want to
> watch. It increments in 0.05x steps which means if you want to watch at
> 1.7x for example it takes 15 keystrokes! Then to go back to normal speed
> you have to do the same. I have recently found that the up and down arrows
> adjust it by 0.25, but even though that helps, the process of turning
> timestrecth on and off requires you to press two different keys.
>
> If you could just toggle it on and off, it would be really useful for
> watching some sports where there is brief periods of activity, which you
> want to watch in real time, with breaks in between which you want to skip
> through quickly (like cricket here in Australia, and I imagine possibly
> Baseball in the US). By using timestretch, you could still follow the flow
> of the commentary but quickly pass over the lulls in play.
>
> Anyone know if you can toggle it on and off?

Use the osd menu?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Error while starting to record. WAF has hit rock bottom.

2005-09-24 Thread Isaac Richards
On Saturday 24 September 2005 07:14 pm, Moasat wrote:
> I've got this error twice now.  The first time was the season premiere of
> ER - not a good thing to miss in this household.  A portion of the log file
> follows...  And please, no jokes about the show it was trying to record. 
> It wasn't for *me*.  :)  I'm running svn version from last Tuesday with the
> new ThreadedFileWriter code.  I needed the Live TV fix from rev 7281. 
> Maybe something in 7278 has caused this to fail?  Just a guess.

It's an artifact of the filename changes.

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Re: [mythtv-users] VBI subtitles with ivtv cards?

2005-09-22 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 22 September 2005 04:29 pm, Joseph A. Caputo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please 'scuse my ignorance, but while going through the commit history
> for the week that I was on vacation in August, I saw some changes in
> SVN related to VBI & subtitles w/ivtv-driven cards.  Does this mean
> that subtitles are now working/supported for these cards (assuming I
> have a recent enough version of ivtv)?  If so, is there anything
> special I need to do besides enable it in the backend setup? (Note: I'm
> using regular TV-out, not a PVR-350).

Only change was the ioctls enabling them are right now.  Someone still needs 
to write a ivtv-format vbi parser.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Setting up slave backend system

2005-09-20 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 12:22 pm, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 11:04 -0500, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> > Greg Woods wrote:
> > >>I expected to see the SBE capture cards defined in the MBE system in
> > >> the status page or in the setup on the MBE.
> > >
> > >This means you have to run mythtv-setup on the machine that has the card
> > >to set up capture cards.
> >
> > Why is this confusing?
>
> I too expected to see all the available capture cards in mythtv-setup no
> matter which host I ran it on. Now that I understand more about how it
> works (that is, some things are stored in the central database and some
> are stored locally), it's not so confusing any more. But when I was
> first trying to set up an SBE that had previously been a tuner-less
> front-end-only system, it was confusing.

Everything's stored in the same central database.  Cards don't show up on the 
master because it requires local access to the card to probe the various 
available settings & inputs.

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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV MythTV parts list

2005-09-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 05:45 pm, Brandon Beattie wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:25:23PM +0100, Nick wrote:
> > On 14/09/05, Brian McEntire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Video Card: MSI FX5200-TD128LF Geforce FX5200 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X
> >
> > you're watching. I think a 5200-based card would be fine for HDTV -
>
> Just to help spread the word, stay away from the NVidia 6xxx and 7xxx
> series video cards -- they do not support XV Video Overlay anymore.
> NVidia only supports VMR overlay on the 6xxx and 7xxx (newer) cards
> which is to replace XV Video Overlay, but there's no support for it
> under XFree or Xorg (And I can't find any information on XFree or Xorg
> going to at it yet).  What this means is you'll get tearing when
> watching video and performance playback will be far less than perfect.

Not true at all.

Xv is not _just_ the video overlay.  If you're getting tearing, turn on the 
'Sync to VBlank' options in the XVideo settings in the nvidia-settings app.

Myth uses the 'video texture adapter' by default on these newer boards, and 
the only thing missing is support for adjusting the contrast/brightness/etc 
through Xv.  No tearing, performance is exactly the same as with older 
hardware, and there's no colorkey to show up at odd times. =)  

I have a 6600gt in my dev box, and it has absolutely no problem playing HD 
video.

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Re: [mythtv-users] 18.1 dvb channel scan

2005-09-14 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 04:23 am, ffrr wrote:
> John Pullan wrote:
> >>The way I do it is to create a channels.conf using tzap (need that for
> >>other apps like xine based Kaffeine anyway).  Then import the
> >>channels.conf into myth (it's one of the scan options)
> >
> >Only in svn.
>
> I don't know about that.  It's in the 18.1 version I got from the
> Mandriva rpms from the plf repository

Those idiots are distributing a cvs checkout from the 0.19 branch and 
labelling it 0.18.1.  It's not the actual 0.18.1 release, or from the 0.18.2 
branch.  I asked them to stop 
( https://plf.zarb.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65 ) a couple months ago, but 
apparently they haven't listened yet.

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Re: [mythtv-users] OT: Two Avermedia M179 Tuner Cards for Sale

2005-09-13 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 02:58 pm, Walt Howd wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, but I have two working Avermedia M179s for
> sale. I am replacing them with a PVR-500 and Promise PCI IDE card to attach
> more drives. Both cards are in fine working condition and have been in my
> system for about a year. IVTV supports these cards and they work much like
> a PVR-250. (Hardware encoding, etc)
>
> If anyone is interested in one or both cards, I'd be happy to help you out
> at a reasonable price. E-mail me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I need to start charging people that use this list inappropriately.  This is 
not where to get free advertising.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows

2005-09-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 09 September 2005 03:51 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 15:48 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > That's why I have a projector. =)
>
> Yeah, I've often said my next TV will be a projector.  Do you have yours
> in a "home theatre" (i.e. no windows, etc.)?  I know I have heard people
> say they did the projector thing and went back to the tube, mainly for
> brightness/windows/daylight issues.

http://www.mythtv.org/basement/6-Projector/

The pictures are from just after I finished finishing the basement last 
December.  Pardon the crappy camera. =)

> What res. does yours go to?  I figure if I'm buying one I'd buy the full
> HDTV res. but then those get pretty pricey.

It's 1280x720 - Panasonic AE700U.  I figure by the time the bulb burns out 
(should last at least another year and a half), projectors that do 1920x1080 
will be cheap enough to consider replacing it with.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows

2005-09-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 09 September 2005 03:41 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> > Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they
> > start buying newer tvs.  Digital's the way to go.
>
> True.  But until picture quality and prices start becoming reasonable
> that's not going to terribly soon.  Even given those, there is always
> adoption rates.  It will be a while still.
>
> Maybe if digital starts getting put into something other than huge TVs
> it will happen quicker, but I really have no desire to give up the space
> a 52" TV takes.

That's why I have a projector. =)

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Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows

2005-09-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 09 September 2005 03:13 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:18 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > Last I checked, DirectFB was pretty lacking in the hardware support area,
> > too.
>
> But what really matters for display hardware support in the Myth context
> other than good TV-Out?  But that is something that is hamstringed by
> the vendors more than the developers of OSS.  Most unfortunately.

Well, unless you want the UI to be slow, hardware accelerated alpha blending 
(ie., XRENDER, OpenGL, etc) is a plus.

Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start 
buying newer tvs.  Digital's the way to go.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows

2005-09-09 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 09 September 2005 01:25 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:16 -0300, Kyle Kelly wrote:
> > I seem to remember reading somewhere that qt4 has support for installing
> > without the gui functionality, and that this could possibly be used to
> > make mythbackend not require X when it is eventually ported to qt4.
>
> Well there is that too.  The Gnu folks got this right a long time ago
> when they separated glib and gtk.
>
> But that is not really what I mean.  What I am saying is that X is way
> too big a hammer for the job.  DirectFB is much better suited at the
> kind of space that Myth is in -- the STB.  But that would take QT being
> able to run on DirectFB which AFAIK it does not.  :-(  QT-Embedded (or
> whatever it is) is too far in the other direction.  It does not have
> hardware acceleration (and other video card) suport that DirectFB has.

Last I checked, DirectFB was pretty lacking in the hardware support area, too.

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Re: [mythtv-users] frustrating comments about sample rates (what not to do)

2005-08-29 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 29 August 2005 06:03 pm, Larry Symms wrote:
> I know the difference, the problem is, the user who doesn't go digging
> through code would have no indication that changing the sample rate for
> recording profiles of an mpeg device would have negative effects, which
> aren't immediately obvious.  Why would I change the rate you ask?  The
> default alsamixer settings for my audio card (which uses the Via Envy24
> chipset) sets "multi track rate locking" to on, so I set the alsamixer
> multi track sample rate to 44.1kHz so that it would work with TV and
> music.  I changed the recording profile rates to 44.1kHz and didn't
> realize there was a problem for a few weeks because this only happens
> when watching recordings as they're recording or buffered live TV which
> I do very rarely.

Why is there a problem?  The sampling rate is always read from the file, not 
the database, on playback.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?

2005-08-25 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 25 August 2005 10:34 pm, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 8/25/05, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 8/25/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > NOTE: For some silly reason mythfrontend keeps its shutdown command in
> > > the mythbackend mysql database. This is completely silly since should
> > > the backend not be online then you cannot shutdown the frontend.
> > > Silly, really silly...
> >
> > You do realize that ALL settings are stored in the database and that
> > mysql and mythbackend are different things right?
>
> OK, thanks for the history lesson. My bad language. Yes. Sorry. I do
> understand that mysql and the backend are different things.
>
> Now, more to the point, when the backend doesn't come up the frontend
> cannot find it's command to shut down cleanly. Sorry for considering
> that a mistake.

If the mysql database isn't there, the frontend can't even start, let alone 
shut down properly.  Guess that's a problem, too.

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Re: [mythtv-users] New NVidia drivers, 7676.. not much changed.

2005-08-24 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:07 pm, Todd Ignasiak wrote:
> I noticed that Nvidia posted a new driver version, 7676, a week or so ago.
>
> I downloaded the AMD64 version, hoping to get reliable XvMC operation,
> but it didn't have any noticeable improvements on my system.
>
>
> XvMC still fails to initialize.I didn't bother messing with it any
> more, but I assume it's still the same behavior as 7667, where you
> have to try initializing it 20+ times, then finally you get lucky and
> it works.  After that it works every time.

What do you need XvMC for on an amd64 system?  I can pretty easily decode, 
deinterlace, and display three 1080i streams simultaneously with pure 
software decoding on my dev system.  Might be able to do four with a little 
tweaking, if I cared to.  Granted, it's a dual-core 4400+, but that's similar 
enough to two 3500+ chips that I can't imagine 1080i not playing smoothly in 
software on almost any xp 64.

On this machine, one 1080i stream doesn't even trip the powernowd thresholds, 
so the cpu stays downclocked/volted to it's minimum level - at that point, 
I'd rather keep load on the CPU and off of the video card so the videocard 
doesn't start adding more heat to the system.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Myth having problems communicating across master/slave backends

2005-08-23 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 23 August 2005 06:12 pm, Nick wrote:
> On 8/23/05, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anybody have any ideas?  I know it's a long post, but I didn't
> > want to leave out any pertinent info.
>
> Are you sure you have the SBE configured correctly? I don't think it
> should work on its own (without communicating with the SBE), as it
> should be using the MBE Database to store/retrieve data. mysqld should
> not be running on the SBE

true.

> nor should any capture cards be defined in 
> the SBE setup. This should all be done when the SBE has connected to
> the MBE, and mythtvsetup is run on the MBE to add the capture cards
> available on the SBE machine.

false.

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Re: [mythtv-users] This is dumb

2005-08-22 Thread Isaac Richards
On Monday 22 August 2005 10:28 pm, Todd Bailey wrote:
> every reboot I have to do:
> # modprobe ivtv
>
> in order to "watch tv"  via myth.
>
> any ideas or is this s.o.p. for this app?

Wait a minute.  You're telling me that you have to *load the driver* for your 
tv card before you can use it?  That's just crazy talk!

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Re: [mythtv-users] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use

2005-08-18 Thread Isaac Richards
On Friday 19 August 2005 01:59 am, 赵亚伟 wrote:
> Yes,I have enter /usr/libexec.
> Here I do like this.
> But I get that result. What does it mean??

It means that you need to stop spamming this list with the same question, or 
you will be removed.

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Re: [mythtv-users] transcoded nuv/mpeg4: really mpeg4?

2005-08-18 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 18 August 2005 01:44 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:35 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote:
> > Ogg's the same as AVI, unless they've fixed it recently.
>
> Hrm.  I dunno.  Probably not.  :-(
>
> Mastroka?  :-)  Anything else?

Heh, dunno. =)

> > It's part of the nuv container.
>
> Is being able to store timestamps the only thing (assuming one were not
> interested in the other NUV features) that prevents a simple container
> conversion or am I again simplifying it too much and should stop beating
> a dead horse?

That's the biggest thing preventing AVI and similar containers, yes.

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Re: [mythtv-users] transcoded nuv/mpeg4: really mpeg4?

2005-08-18 Thread Isaac Richards
On Thursday 18 August 2005 01:30 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> I don't know much about OGG either, but would NUV re-contain into an OGG
> container any better?

Ogg's the same as AVI, unless they've fixed it recently.

> > There are also additional constructs for dealing with
> > skipping individual frames (for exact frame-level cuts during a transcode
> > without reencoding), and other various things that make it rather ideal
> > for dealing with stuff recorded from a tuner card.
>
> Are those in the MPEG4 stream or the NUV container?  They probably could
> be dropped assuming OGG were better suited to re-containing (i.e. if it
> has timestamps, etc.)

It's part of the nuv container.

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