Re: [mythtv-users] Nvidia 8174 driver released
On 12/7/05, David Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny - tried it and had TERRIBLE playback (Jittery playback). Not using XVMC, just XV on a AMD64 with 5700.interested to see if anyone else tried it? For now - I've moved back to the 7676 build (which works flawlessly on my setup). David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Campbell Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:20 AM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: [mythtv-users] Nvidia 8174 driver released Haven't tried it yet, but for those so inclined... http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8174.html -Ross Linux Display Driver - IA32 Version: 1.0-8174 Operating System: Linux IA32 Release Date: December 5, 2005 Release Highlights Fixed GeForce 7800 GTX clocking problem that affected 3D performance. Added support for NVIDIA SLI. Please see the README for details. Added a new utility 'nvidia-xconfig', which is a commandline tool for updating X configuration files. Added support for new GeForce 6100, GeForce 6150 and GeForce 7800 GTX 512. Added manpages for 'nvidia-xconfig', 'nvidia-settings', and 'nvidia-installer'. Made UseEdidFreqs on by default; the NVIDIA X driver will use the valid HorizSync and VertRefresh frequency ranges from the EDID whenever possible. Added support for Stereo Digital Flat Panels such as the SeeReal and Sharp3D DFPs. Added HTML version of the README. Added support for static Rotation; see the Rotate X config option in the README. Improved stability on 64-bit Linux 2.6 kernels. Fixed driver installation when SELinux is enabled. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/list Would be nice to know if they've fixed interlaced Xv output, I don't think this worked since release 6629 (over a year ago). ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Multiple channels at the same time, with one DVB card ?
On 9/20/05, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By same multiplex, does that mean 4.1 4.2 4.3... but not 4.1 5.1 6.1...? Thanks! By the same multiplex it effectively means transmitted on the same frequency. I don't believe there's any limitation on whether channel 4.1 or 4.2 (for example) have to be transmitted on the same multiplex or may be transmitted on different multiplexes. I would suspect that the specs were written such that this sort of organisational detail is up to the network that runs the multiplex(es). Whilst it's a stated wish that Myth should be able to handle multiple channels simultaneously from a single multiplex, I don't think anybody is actively working on this feature (they can correct me if i'm wrong!). Likewise, whether or not the current DVB re-write will make this goal easier / harder is a question for the current DVB devs. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] frontend crash during UK dvb-t playback - only at adverts
On 9/20/05, Alan Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all – I now have a stable dvb-t myth setup running on an up-to-date fedora core system, using the hauppage nova-t. only major problem thus far is: watching certain UK channels, the frontend crashes when the commercial break begins – happens both with recordings and livetv. channels identified so far are channel4, e4/e4+1 and abc1. I suspect the reason is that these channels broadcast in a variety of aspect ratios, and switch over at the start of the adverts, causing a break in the signal of some kind – i.e. main broadcast is in 16:9, channel ident may be in low-res 4:3, followed by ad in 16:9. this often causes a broken keyframe (?) which the system struggles to recover from, manifesting itself in a green frame, a period of scrambled or non-existent audio, and quite often, the complete and sudden death of the frontend. rest of the programme and other channels are fine. anyone else seeing this behaviour or anything similar? let me know if there's any debug info that'd help… I've been running 0.18 since it was released on DVB-T in the UK with a (version 909) Nova-T. It's quite normal for the adverts and the actual programme to be in different aspect ratios, at most I see the odd green frame / short garbled video but very rarely. You don't say what version of Myth you're running. The current SVN head is undergoing a major DVB re-write so i'd use the 0.18-fixes branch for a production system until that all settles down. Have a look in the logs to see if there's anything useful, otherwise try and get a backtrace (see the user guide for instructions). Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV and Apple Cinema Display 23
On 9/12/05, Barry Hee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just installed an 23 Apple LCD monitor on my Fedora Core 4 system with latest kernel and the image is vertically compressed although width is correct. The vertical height is similar to watching a DVD with aspect 1:2.35. My recordings are DVB 16:9 and display okay on a 4:3 monitor. Any idea why this happens? regards Barry Have you set the DISPLAYSIZE attributes in your X configuration such that X knows that the attached display is 16:9 (or whatever the aspect ratio this display has)? Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: MythTV and Apple Cinema Display 23
On 9/12/05, Barry Hee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't need to fiddle the X configuration as Fedora Core 4 supports all Apple monitors including the 23 out the box. I just select it from the System Settimgs/Display/Hardware with a resolution of 1920 x 1200. The desktop is fine but when I am running Myth the image is 'squished' vertically not hortizontally. Barry FC4 may well provide a valid modeline for the monitor out of the box what the symptoms you're seeing are because X-server does not know the aspect ratio of the display. i.e. it doesn't know whether the display is a 1920x1200 display with a 4:3 aspect ratio or a 16:9 aspect ratio. Unless X is able to tell Myth / Mplayer / etc what the aspect ratio is each of these programs will fall back to some default (Myth assumes a 4:3 display, whilst it appears that VLC assumes a 16:9 display). I don't run FC so I have no idea what the default for this display is, but it definitely sounds like you've got a modeline but no info on the physical dimensions of the display. Also, check the archives for info on how to set DISPLAYSIZE such that the X is working as 100dpi. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Off Topic - DVB-T, Muxes and reception...
On 9/8/05, Jules Gosnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all muxes are being transmitted from the same transmitter, why should one bundle of channels feel like it is coming from the moon ? Are muxes simply s/w abstractions or do they correspond somehow to physical divisions in the h/w - i.e. is my problem mux maybe being pumped out at a lower power than all the others etc... 1. Not all muxes are transmitted with the same power. There's a website somewhere that tells you the power of each mux for each transmitter (should be linked from the freeview website). 2. The sensitivity of your aerial is not constant across all frequencies. You can buy aerials that give you excellent reception for certain frequency bands (you'll need to figure out which one is best or your transmitter) or you can get a 'wideband' aerial that will give you average reception over a frequency range that should cover any transmitter (this is what most standard retailers will sell you). Chances are that what you are reporting is due to '2' above. The 'bad' mux is almost certainly on the highest or lowest frequency of the six muxes for your transmitter, and you'll almost certainly be using a 'wideband' aerial. My suggestion would be to either buy a higher gain 'wideband' aerial or (probably better) buy an aerial that matches your required frequencies. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Off Topic - DVB-T, Muxes and reception...
Just a quick follow-up to my earlier post. You can see the gain for different aerial groups on the follwoing graph http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/Articles/img/fig%201, Obviously, higher gain is better. The power of the different muxes is given on this page: http://.dtt-tx-info.org/change_tx.htm As you can see, muxes C and D are transmitted at half power compared to the rest. And since mux D is at the highest frequency i'd guess that the one you're having problems with, right? (Mux D shows TMF, The Hits, Ftn, etc). Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Best deal on premade lirc receivers?
I bought my pre-made receiver from here: http://www.zapway.de/e_index1.htm They're small / simple and well made. Delivery was quick (to the UK) and reasonably priced. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Methods for perfecting NVidia TV Output (was 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200)
If your TV has a SCART socket then i'd highly recommend soldering up your own VGA to SCART convertor. Then you can use an interlaced modeline to output a legal PAL/NTSC signal from vid card (i'm using an Nvidia MX440). The output quality is as good as you'll get short of going to DVI (which my TV doesn't support). I'm using DVB-T in the UK and the image quality I get is better than the output from Sony set-top-box. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Methods for perfecting NVidia TV Output (was 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200)
On 8/26/05, Mark J. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On August 26, 2005 06:18 am, Louie Ilievski wrote: This sounds like a really good idea to me. My big question: If I have an interlaced signal recorded, why would I want to de-interlace to send it my TV? Wouldn't an interlaced signal be closer to the original?? Mark You're quite right, you don't want to de-interlace unless you're displaying on a non-interlaced display. The method I proposed (and use) sends the original (un-scaled, un-filtered, interlaced) signal straight back to the TV. That's the primary reason the result looks so good. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Methods for perfecting NVidia TV Output (was 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200)
On 8/26/05, Justin Hornsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does this trick work with newer nvidia cards (and drivers of course) or is it just older ones? I've read that some recent nvidia drivers didn't output interlaced signals properly (if at all). And - most of all - will it work with Via Unichrome? Justin. It'll work with any video card / driver combination that can output the required VGA signal, i.e. if it can accept the following modeline: ModeLine 720x576pali 13.875 720 744 800 888 576 581 585 625 -hsync -vsync interlace Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Methods for perfecting NVidia TV Output (was 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200)
On 8/26/05, Craig Tinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there I'm in the UK too - with a sony skybox and a mx440 going to an *old* Sanyo widescreen CRT TV (which I *wish* I could figure out how to get a proper modeline to work with that TV!) Can you buy convertors like you describe? or do you *have* to solder them together? I'm not much use with a soldering iron so would prefer to buy one if possible If I *have* to solder one - is there anywhere I can look for *easy* instructions on what will be needed? Thanks Craig I'm afraid you have to solder it, nobody sells them because there's a theoretical possibility they can damage your TV, although i've never heard of that actually happening and it's been working fine for me for over a year. I managed to put one together or around £10 of parts. It's easiest if you can salvage a VGA cable from an old / dead monitor and half a scart cable. I've never soldered anything before in my life but didn't have a problem, so it can't be that hard. I pretty much followed this guide http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html although I had to put power on a few other pins so the TV recognised that a signal was present and was widescreen (google for a scart pin-out and you find this information). If you're anywhere near the Bath area i'd be happy to demonstrate the results. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Methods for perfecting NVidia TV Output (was 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200)
On 8/26/05, Mats Cedergren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 aug 2005, at 19.34, Justin Hornsby wrote: I have a barebone case with an integrated nVidia Geforce 4 MX. Everything worked fine using my own VGA to SCART convertor for a while, but nVidia driver version 6629 was the last one to work with interlaced output. Every version I have tried since then does not work (using PAL 720x576). The problem is that 6629 does not compile on newer kernels (like 2.6.1x used in Fedora Core 4). Mats I didn't know that. I'm still using a 2.4 kernel and old Nvidia driver (6067 I think). I'm working on the if it ain't broke then don't fix it principle. Thanks for the heads-up, i'll make sure to check that out if I ever need to upgrade. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Nuv file screen size
On 7/26/05, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I view a recorded show I have to change view to zoom 16:9. This way it fills the whole TV screen without stretching or distortion. When I transfer this .nuv file onto my windows box and burn to DVD the picture has a black border around it , making the movie/show too small to see properly. It is being recorded with a visionplus DVB-T card (PAL standard-Australia). The resoloution of the file seems to be 720xsomething. Should I be changing something so that it is recorded in an easier to view format for PAL. Maybe this cannot be changed ? I first problem (display not defaulting to the correct aspect ratio) is probably because you need to add some DisplaySize settings to your Xorg / Xfree86 config file to let Myth know that your display is 16:9 / 4:3. Search the archives for more details, it's been covered many times. Sorry but I can't help with the second problem, i've never tried writing DVB-T recordings to a DVD (yet). It's probably worth noting that the DVB-T transmission has a resolution that's perfectly suited for display on a PAL TV (at least it is here in the UK, I can't believe it would be different in Aus or set-top-boxes would have to scale the image before displaying it), so that's unlikely to be the source of the problem. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Aopen XCcube as frontend
On 7/20/05, David Maher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone out there set up an Aopen XCcube as a myth front end? I am in the process of doing this with FC4 and would appreciate any tips for the remote etc. Regards David I'm also using an nforce2 based xcCube as a combined frontend / backend. Using a homebuilt VGA - SCART converter for TV-out, 2 DVB-T cards (one PCI, one USB 2.0) with an XP 2400+ cpu. For a remote i'm using a small serial based receiver bought from Zapway (http://www.zapway.de) which works perfectly. No real problems, I originally installed from a Knoppmyth CD but now it's pretty much standard Debian. The only slight annoyance is the inability to disable the PC speaker at startup... But then i'm being fussy. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Perplexing one - On screens with lots of black playback judder s
On 7/6/05, Barker Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a weird one, I admit it. I have no idea what it could be. Any suggestions much welcomed. Ok, When I am watching TV be it live or recorded and the scene changes to a mostly black scene, the video and audio judder. It is only a blackish scene which does this.. Normally during advert breaks; My system: Latest svn, (used to do it on 0.18 too) Latest nvidia drivers, complete removal and reinstall just to make sure (nforce 2, ie mx4) FC3 Sempron 2600 Nova-T uk dvb Spdif reroute of all sound to an optical decoder AC3 passthrough is not checked nor is sync with audio I'm glad it's not just me, yes I see this too. This is also with UK DVB (TS mode), in fact i've only seen it for one program (Nip Tuck) but it does for every episode at all 'fades to black' for advert breaks plus other dark scenes. One thing I haven't checked that may be of interest is whether mplayer displays this behaviour or not. Thomas, just out of interest, do you have 'use video as timebase' checked or not? This setting could be related and is probably worth testing. I can probably supply a short mpeg file that demonstrates this behaviour if required. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Program time/length not correct
On 7/1/05, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just changd to TS recording on my DVB-T VisionPlus card as sound was dropping out occasionally. HAs fixed the sound issue but now some channels dont report the correct time of the recording. I am using knoppmyth R5A12 which i think is .16 It looks like R5A12 used MythTV 0.17. What you're reporting a known bug that was fixed way back in April. I suggest you upgrade to 0.18.1 if you want this fixed. Plus, 0.18 fixed a lot of DVB related bugs so it's probably worth your time upgrading. In future please only reports bugs that you've verified are still relevant with the latest release (or even better, latest CVS / SVN). Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Program time/length not correct
On 6/30/05, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason on 2 free to air channels the whole program records but the skip ahead time only says 2 minutes or so. I have tried running the mysql fixes but nothing has changed yet ? Any ideas ? What build are you running? Is this DVB, if so are you recording in TS or PS mode? There was a problem with TS recordings a while ago that resulted in this behaviour but you'll need to provide more information. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] uc: Singal monitoring - How?
On 6/28/05, Barker Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I singal monitor my DVB-T uk signal while trying out different aerial configurations? Not really a Myth question but You can use tzap to tune to a channel from the command-line (e.g. tzap BBC ONE) assuming you've got a channels.conf file sorted out (and if not, create one using 'scan' from the same linux-dvb toolset). Whilst tzap runs it will provide you with signal to noise ratio information (snr) and an uncorrected bit error rate (ber) information about once a second. Just mess about with the aerial until you find how to maximise snr whilst minimizing ber (hopefully to zero). Stephen Williams p.s. I know quite a few people at QinetiQ, which site do you work at? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Configuring the idle DVB channel? Mythtv-setup problem?
When a DVB card is not in use (e.g. for recording or liveTV) and the DVB on demand option is not used, both of my DVB cards tune to channel 3. What i'd prefer is for them to tune to channel 1 (since the mux associated with channel 1 has complete guide data, whilst the mux associated with channel 3 does not!). So the question is, how do I configure this? I've tried changing the 'starting channel' option in the 'input connections' section of the mythtv-setup (which would logically seem to be the option to change) but this does not have the desired effect. Any help / suggestions would be appreciated. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Configuring the idle DVB channel? Mythtv-setup problem?
On 6/2/05, Mudit Wahal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This helps on a single HD3000 tuner using DVB drivers. mysql -D mythconverg -e update cardinput set startchan='11_1' Thanks for the input. As a work-around this is much appreciated! However, having to directly manipulate the database seems to imply that there's something lacking from the GUI, unless we're both failing to spot where to set this. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Configuring the idle DVB channel? Mythtv-setup problem?
Run mythtvsetup then choose Input -- Select input connection -- change Starting channel in the setup page. The problem with this is that it gets reset each time you change the channel to the currently tuned one. As my original positing said, i've already tried this and it doesn't appear to make a difference to the channel that's tuned when the card is idle. This setting only seems to affect which channel is tuned on next entry to livetv. This seems to be related to the channel crawling feature that's been muted, i.e the DVB code would when mythtv was idle tune to each of the channels and attempt to update the EPG. However it's not bubbled to the top of the list yet. Indeed it does seem related, although i'm only looking for the basic functionality of being able to specify a single channel that will be used when the card is idle. I think the consensus seems to be that this currently requires a manual database tweak rather than being configurable through any GUI (would be nuice if you could confirm this, I was half expecting to need to change a hard-coded value in the source). If there is a work-around then i'll happily use that until the channel crawling functionality becomes a reality. Steve p.s. a big thank-you to all the DVB devs, the improvements since I started using mythtv (0.14) have been highly appreciated! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: tv programs that run long
On 5/31/05, Jit V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that someone was working on PDC (programme delivery control, or something like that). Anyway... not sure if this is an international standard, but in the UK the broadcasts contain extra information which can be picked up by PDC enabled video recorders and allows them to determine when a programme has started or ended, allowing them to adjust recording times etc automatically. I'd love to see this on mythtv :) A while ago whilst flicking through the UK DVB specs (as you do) I remember seeing a DVB equivalent of PDC. Basically it's a flag which is set if the programme is currently being aired. Again, I don't know whether this is UK specific or even whether the broadcasters use this to indicate programmes that are over running Has anybody got any information or looked into this? Could a nice addition to (already much improved!) myth DVB support. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG data from DVB(-T)
On 5/31/05, James Stembridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/30/05, Dirk Aust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might be right, but nevertheless, scanning around all DVB-EGP enabled channels would also be a good idea, isn't it? In the UK at least there's no need, afaik the full EPG is broadcast on all 6 multiplexes. Whilst EPG data is broadcast on all multiplexes in the UK it's not all the same. For example, some multiplexes only transmit a couple of days worth of data rather than the full 8 days. If you're using the OTA guide data in the UK (as I am) then i'd suggest using the multiplex containing BBC ONE as your source for data, it's your best bet for complete information. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mythepg compile issues
You're trying to compile with XRANDR enabled, but you don'r have it installed. You'll need to 'make clean' and re-configure with the '--disable-xrandr' switch before 'qmake maythtv.pro; make'. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] DVB - Recording from 'part time' channels
I reported the problem with failed recordings from part-time channels two weeks ago. Just to let you know that there's already an open bug report (no. 261) for this: http://www.mythtv.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=261 Feel free to add any more detail (e.g. the problem with following recordings on the same channel). Just trying to avoid duplicates. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] OT: System failed to shutdown
I know this isn't strictly a Myth problem but I don't know where else to post this. This morning I woke up to find my Myth box had not powered off correctly, it was supposed to shutdown after finishing a recording roughly 9 hours earlier. As far I could tell, everything had happened except cutting power to the box. The final messages in the syslog at the time I expected shutdown to take place were: Mar 23 23:41:40 mythtv kernel: Kernel log daemon terminating. Mar 23 23:41:40 mythtv exiting on signal 15 At this point it should have restarted to allow the new nvram-wakeup setting to take effect before halting. Obviously, the system was left in a state where the wakeup setting had not taken effect so without manual intervention all further recordings would be missed, not good! Has anybody ever seen this happen before, or have any ideas why it might happen? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] DVB EIT/EPG
Having restarted a few times things seemed to have improved, maybe there was something a little screwy about that inital run. One recurring issue i'm still having is that a few channels (e.g. channel 5, BBC Three, The Hits, Sky News) are only getting guide data for up to 3 days ahead instead of the expected 7/8 days. I know guide data should be available further ahead (tv_grab_dvb received it, as does my set-top-box). I presume this has something to do with the mux that the guide data is coming from, i.e. maybe some muxes only transmit abbreviated guide data, whilst others (e.g. BBC) transmit the full data? If this is the case, how can I set which mux is being used to get guide data? Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] DVB EIT/EPG
I have a system with two DVB-T (uk) receivers which i've just upgraded to 0.17 from 0.16. I have a few questions regarding program guide data (EPG). I've tried enabing the in-built guide grabber (by uncommenting the DVB_USING_EIT setting) but i'm having a few problems. Firstly, it only appears to be getting guide data when i'm watching / recording and not when the system is idle, is this correct / expected? Secondly, I only appear to be getting guide data for the mux/transport i'm tuned to, even though in the UK (Freeview) the guide data for all muxes are sent on every mux, is this correct / expected? The result is that i'd have to sit there watching a channel for each mux in turn to fully update the guide, not ideal! Previously i've been using tv_grab_dvb with great success to get my guide data (the system has no internet connection), is it possible to still use this tool until the wrinkles with the internal guide grabber have been sorted? ... or have the database changes made current versions of tv_grab_dvb unusable? Thank in advance for any help! Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] DVB EIT/EPG
Check that you haven't got on demand set for your card. It isn't. Secondly, I only appear to be getting guide data for the mux/transport i'm tuned to, even though in the UK (Freeview) the guide data for all muxes are sent on every mux, is this correct / expected? Not quite true, some mux's are better than others for EIT data. mux one seems to have everything most of the time. That's what I expected. I left it on live-tv on BBC1 for half an hour, even then I had no guide data for (example) Channel-5. Flicking over to channel 5 manually resulted in guide data being built up for that channel. The result is that i'd have to sit there watching a channel for each mux in turn to fully update the guide, not ideal! Taylor was considering doing this auto magically, but it shouldn't be needed in the UK. Agreed, I didn't think it should be required. Previously i've been using tv_grab_dvb with great success to get my guide data (the system has no internet connection), is it possible to still use this tool until the wrinkles with the internal guide grabber have been sorted? ... or have the database changes made current versions of tv_grab_dvb unusable? It should be ok, but you need to switch of the OTA guide setting and fill in the xmltvid. Ok, so it's possible, but a setup hassle. Thanks for the response, i'll play about some more and see if I can sort this out. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is Mplayer going away? Anyone seen their WWW site recently?
Sorry, but as a patent attorney I assume she gets a salary? Makes a profit for the company she works for? She therefore has a vested interest, and that would make her biased, as her livelyhood depends on the need for patent attorneys. Contrary to popular belief and propaganda, patent attorneys are people just like you and me, many of them therefore have a conscience and a degree of professional integrity. It may surprise you to learn that most of them are interested in encouraging innovation, as indeed is the European Patent Office (who, if you want to did deeper, you will discover they often find in favour of 'the little guy' as a matter of principle and fairness over and above the strict interpretation of the law). Neither the EPO nor european patent attorneys want a system like that being run in America, fact. Great, so we define the specificity of a law after it is created in the all out land grab that ensues. Patent law is based on case precedent, welcome to reality. Your last sentence is nonsensical. One of the EPO's public statements is that this is intended to harmonise European patent law. Clearly you misread it then, as I said, the intention is to stop certain countries in the EU from using loopholes to get software patents (which the EPO does not want). Stopping these countries would be described as harmonisation to me. Then why won't they explicitly exclude pure software patents in unequivocal terms? The language is convoluted, but the upshot is that as long as software has a technical effect it can be patented. Like to explain technical effect for me. People are still trying to get clarification on this. As I said, european patent law is based on precedent. The limits of 'Technical effect' have been determined through case history, this is why you need to talk somebody who's well informed in that area, i.e. a patent attorney. MythWeb and MythBrowser: BT have a USP on the hyperlink. Well, no. They tried to play that card but failed. MythMusic MythStream: Franhoefer et al have patents on MP3 encoding decoding. Not in the EU they don't. We don't have software patents remember. They have copyright on their own software implementation, nothing more. MythPhone: Voice compression codecs. MythTV: The ability to pause and buffer TV, then catch up. MythNews: I think RSS is based on RDF which is covered by an EP. Samba file shares: Good ol' MS have patents on CIFS. WishTV: Might be covered if the automated suggestions from other viewers gets developed. Ditto, ditto, ditto. This might be different in America, but their patent system is fundamentally different. Feel free to try and convince me that big business is the one to structure the legal framework we all have to live with, but I'm a tough sell. I'm not trying to do that, and that's not the way it works in the EPO. Who will determine the rulings are the EPO judges who have a very good track record for upholding common-sense, fairness and protection of 'the little guy'. I'm not trying to say this situation is perfect, it's clearly not. Do try to understand that software patents are starting to be forced through in the EU right now due to inconsistencies in laws that were never intended to cover this subject! The EPO (like you) wants to stop that from happening, like it or not this is the basis for the CIID. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is Mplayer going away? Anyone seen their WWW site recently?
No offence, but DUH!!! Of course a patent attorney is going to say that this law is all hunky-dory, it's his future bread and butter!!! Well, actually no. Her firm does not take work of this kind and as such is unbiassed in this matter. On the other hand they are fully informed as to what is going on, and why. And yes, I have looked at both sides of the argument, read Groklaw, etc, have you? The ambiguous wording of the CIID opens the back door for pure software patents, and there is a whole saga going on with the European Parliament at loggerheads with the European Commission over amendments and procedure. The CIID may well be ambiguously worded, but that's no different to any other bit of law. The exisitance of a truely unambiguous piece of law is a myth. It's final meaning will only be defined following a set of test cases. The European Patent Office has no intention of changing how software is currently treated, test cases will quickly confirm this position. I suggest you head over to www.groklaw.net for a thorough and informative view of what's going on. It may (debatably) be biased the other way, but at least you'd have both sides of the argument. Really! Would you ask a fox to guard the chicken coop? You're right, Groklaw is biased the other way. Personally I consider a patent attorney with no personnel or financial involvement in this area to be about as unbiassed and well informed as you'll find. Wrong! Tell _no_ material impact to all the small and medium business (the ones that usually drive innovation) that will be driven out of business by this law. Innovation through litigation? Don't believe everything you read at Groklaw. The purpose of this directive is to _stop_ some countries in the EU that have been pushing software patents through the back doors and loop holes that currently exist. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is Mplayer going away? Anyone seen their WWW site recently?
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:36:29 -0500, john roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to download the latest version of Mplayer and I found: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html They seem to be dealing with legal issues. :( -John -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users No, they're not having legal issues. There just making some misguided protest about a subject they clearly don't understand. The software patents directive is a non-issue blown out of all proportion. My partner is a eurpoean patent attorney so knows what's really going on here, i've also spoken to people in her firm about this. This directive does nothing more than to set into law how patenting of software is _currently_ handled. The laws which have been applied up till this point were not designed with software in mind, this is what is being but right. Quite simply, the directive is deisgned to maintain the current status quo with regards to patenting of soatware, the whole point behind it is that the law is clarrified whilst having _no_ material impact. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] How I got great quality TV-out on my nVidia MX4000
Someone else here wrote, that RGB is *too* sharp for MPEG2 video, meaning that you see the artifacts then. Thomas I expect it depends on where you got the MPEG2 video from. Using a VGA - SCART converter in the UK with DVB-T I get an amazing image which rarely has any visible artifacts. But then the DVB-T MPEG stream was encoded with the intention of it being displayed on a TV with RGB inputs, so that's hardly surprising. If your MPEG stream is being encoded by a PVR-xxx card then it may well be a completely different story, I doubt the quality of the encoding is comparable. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] How I got great quality TV-out on my nVidia MX4000
Of course, the way to get 'optimal' TV-out from your Nvidia (or other) card is not to use it's TV-out facilities at all and build a VGA - SCART converter for SDTVs (see http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html for example). This is only true of home-built converters, commercial converters perform scan conversion which lowers the image quality. Then (with the correct modeline) you _can_ just send the originally broadcast, interlaced, stream straight to your TV. You are also keeping the RGB signals seperate, not mixing them all together as you do with S-video. No deinterlacing or scaling is required so you're not losing image quality their either, or wasting CPU power. Oh course, this does rely on you being able to capture the original interlaced signal (i'm capturing a DVB MPEG stream, no encoder required). If you're encoding hardware has already thrown that information away and mixed the odd/even fields then you've already lost the image quality. Using a VGA - SCART converter in this case would still give you better colour definition / sharpness, and if you're encoding at the native resolution then no scaling is required. I've built one of these and the result is _much_ better than the TV-out from by Nvidia card. The image quality is even higher than from my Sony DVB set-top-box. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] How I got great quality TV-out on my nVidia MX4000
Stephen Williams wrote: Of course, the way to get 'optimal' TV-out from your Nvidia (or other) card is not to use it's TV-out facilities at all and build a VGA - SCART converter for SDTVs (see http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html for example). This is only true of home-built converters, commercial converters perform scan conversion which lowers the image quality. Anyone knows, if this little hardware can be bought ready-to-use (built) anywhere? Maybe even in Germany? I had a look around at the time I was first comptemplating this route but wasn't able to find any equivalent system for sale commercially. The reason being that there is a possibility (well, a theoretical one anyway) that you can damage your TV through use of out-of-spec modelines, therefore noboddy sells these commercially. I find that my TV simply won't lock onto the sync signals if you send an out-of-spec signal. You just end up looking at colourful garbage if you're modeline is wrong (or when you're not in X, i.e. booting). I've yet to hear of any cases where TVs have been damaged in this way. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Tearing in playback
You don't state what your video card is, but I had a similar problem using an MX440 with a VGA - SCART adaptor. The MX440 has two video out ports (I was using one to my TV thought the VGA - SCART and one to a standard monitor), it tunrs out the refresh of the two displays were not in sync (even though they could be, both were are at 50Hz) and the driver arbitrarily chose which refresh signal to report back to X / Myth / Xine / whatever else might be interested. It just happened that Myth was syncing to the monitor refresh and not the TV refresh, thereby tearing the image on the TV. If you have a similar setup then try disabling all over video outputs except the TV and see if that fixes things. If not, then try running Myth with verbose messages enabled and see which sync method it's actually using. If you don't have an Nvidia card then you probably want to make sure you're using the OpenGL sync method. Steve On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:30:19 +1100, William Uther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using a DVB-T capture card - MPEG2 input. I'm using a VGA-SCART adaptor cable to display the video. (I've finally managed to get Xv to work with interlaced output so this is running at reasonable speed now.) I'm getting tearing of the image during playback. Myth should be syncing the frame update to occur during the vertical refresh, right? Does anyone know how this is supposed to happen, and how I figure out why it isn't happening? Thanks, Will :-} -- Dr William UtherNational ICT Australia Phone: +61 2 9385 6357 School of Computer Science and Engineering Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of New South Wales Web: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/Sydney, Australia ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TV Output
The modeline I supplied is for use with homebrew VGA to SCART converters, these only work by getting the video card to output a signal which is within the spec expected by your TV. Commercial converters (such the Key Digital converter) are scan converters, these scale and interpolate whatever VGA signal you send them into a normal TV signal. As such it really shouldn't matter what resolution you send them (well, they'll work but some resolutions will produce better results I suppose), check to manual to see what the valid modes are. Since you're using a scan converter you won't be getting as high a quality image as is possible from a homebrew converter, this is because of the scaling and interpolation it's performing. Steve I don't suppose you have a simliar spec for a progressive PAL image do you? (I have the Key Digital VGA to Component adapter) I generated one based off a Powerstrip mode to get 1024x576 which gives an awesome picture, but I'm not sure whether it's entirely in spec as the TV's input identifier is flashing in the corner, which apart from being really annoying probably means that the signal is not entirely in spec. (The TV's a Panasonic 36PD30 if it makes any difference) Thanks. J ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] scheduled mythfilldatabase errors. manual mythfilldatabase runs fine
What version of MythTV are you using? 0.16 had a problem where if mythfilldatabase was reading results from xml passed via a file or pipe (e.g. if you're using tv_grab_dvb) rather than getting the data directly it always returned an error code on completion, regardless of the actual result. This has been fixed in CVS for a while now, I don't remember the exact date. If you're getting good guide data but always seeing the same error code then this is probably what's going on. Either upgrade to CVS to get the correct result status or just ignore it until 0.17 turns up, it's harmless. Steve On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:56:11 +1000, David Whyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have setup Myth to run mythfilldatabase daily. It seems to error out everyday with the following error shown in the MythWeb Backend Status page Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2005-01-03 21:13 and ended on 2005-01-03 21:13. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 32512. There's guide data until 2005-01-10 06:00 (7 days). When I run it manually from a terminal it runs fine. I am on FC2 using the AT packages. Myth is running as a startup service. Thanks in advance, Whytey -- GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TV Output
Glad to hear you're making progress. The image really should be centred, the signal is as close to spec as possible. Are you sure that you haven't set Myth to recentre the image? You might have done that for you're previous S-video out and haven't reverted it... Assuming that's not the case you have two options (1) use Myth config options to offset the display X and Y to centre the picture or (2) mess with the modeline slightly to alter the front/back porch lengths for both horizontal and vertical, just make sure you keep the sync widths the same. Option 1 would fix Myth put would still mean that other programs, e.g. Mplayer/Xine/Ogle are off-centre. Option 2 requires a bit of experimentation put would result in all programs being centred. Steve On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:00:27 +, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you noticed, Nvidia restrict some of the values in their modelines to multiples of 8. Taking that into account this is the closest possible modeline for 720x576 to the PAL spec: ModeLine 720x576pali 13.875 720 744 808 888 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace If that doesn't give you a stable image then you have a different problem. Thanks for that - the horizontal values there are the same ones that I wound up but the vertical ones are slightly different. I did get a stable image in the end actually. It was a hardware problem after all - it helps if you connect the generated composite sync to the right pin on the SCART connector ;-) The image is a bit high and too far to the right at the moment but other than that it looks excellent and fills the screen nicely unlike the S-Video output. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TV Output
The strange thing now is that already video playback is OK the bottom and right of the menus seems to be chopped off. I have both the GUI and the default playback size set for 720x576 at the moment. That's to be expected. You'll need to setup Myth to scale the GUI such that it fits on your particular TV, this is take into account how much you TV overscans the image. The amount of overscan varies from TV to TV, and depending on how well alligned the gun is on your particular 'set may not be equal top/bottom left/right. It's always going to a manual tuning exercise to get it looking just right your own 'set. The other wierd thing is that the OSD text doesn't look right at all. It was fine with the S-Video corruption but now looks like is being subject to some horrid scaling that is causing bits of it to be lost or something. Odd, not sure about this one. Personally the OSD looks fine on my system, maybe its to do with the font you're using? Hopefully somebody else can try and explain this... Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TV Output
I have a very similar setup, DVB-T to a widescreen TV via a Geforce MX. I agree, the native TV out of the vid card is a little disappointing. Instead, quite a few people on this list (me included) are using home-built VGA - SCART converters. Don't bother trying to buy one of these since they will all of the retail versions use scan conversion which really lowers the quality. Take a look at the following sites for details: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/ http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/index.php http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html Personally I went for the last site listed. This will give you RGB output to the TV, you can just output the raw interlaced DVB-T signal (no de-interlacing required) and each horizontal line of pixels generated by your vid card will map natively to a scan line on the TV. The image quality is fantastic, noticeably crisper than my Sony set-top-box using RGB output. You might be able to tweak the S-video output a little but it'll never come close. Steve On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:21:47 GMT, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My newly built Myth box is outputting DVB-T recordings to a widescreen TV over S-Video from a GeForce 4 MX card but the output quality seems to be somewhat lacking. I using this modeline at the moment, which I found on the mailing list: ModeLine 720x576x50 27.1 720 736 880 896 576 578 579 606 The 720x576 resolution matches most UK DVB transmissions, although some are 704x576 instead. I also have these options set: Option TVOverScan 1.0 Option TVStandard PAL-I Option ConnectedMonitor TV Option TVOutFormat SVIDEO Option NoLogo true Note that overscan is turned up to the maximum value. I'm using the ATrpms 0.16 build of Myth and the 6629 NVidia drivers. The first problem is that although the image reaches the right side of the screen it doesn't quite meat the left edge, and there are large gaps at the top and bottom. The second problem is that the picture just isn't as crisp and clear as the output from my set top box. That is using RGB so will be a little better, but my DVD player uses S-Video and does better than the Myth box. Finally there are strange motion artefacts, with are particularly noticeable on credits, especially horizontally scrolling ones but vertically scrolling ones also show it. Is this perhaps a frame sync issue? Do the ATrpms builds have OpenGL sync support turned on or not? Thanks for any help people can offer, Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TV Output
Sure, damage to the TV is possible, but not very likely! Just make sure that you wire it all up correctly, it's a very simple circuit. Until you're into X you'll be outputting a signal well outside of PAL/NTSC spec (I believe the horizontal rate of your graphics card is roughly double that of PAL/NTSC). What you'll most likely see is two squashed images side-by-side on your TV before you get to X, or maybe just garbage is the TV fails to sync to anything. Again, it's _possible_ this could damage your TV, but i've never heard of this happening. If it's a modern TV it may not display anything and just stay blank until it receives an in-spec signal, YMMV. Steve On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:55:21 +, Steve Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Take a look at the following sites for details: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/ http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/index.php http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html Personally I went for the last site listed. This will give you RGB output to the TV, you can just output the raw interlaced DVB-T signal (no de-interlacing required) and each horizontal line of pixels generated by your vid card will map natively to a scan line on the TV. I was looking at the nexusuk circuit, but the sput.nl one looks the same anyway. Time to pay Maplins a visit I think... Could someone with more experience tell me something - I am cautious of building a VGA - SCART converter, but perhaps I do not need to be. It has always concerned me that I might send a signal that is WAY out of range down the wire (frequency, voltage etc), and damage some aspect of the TV. Is this possible? The TV is a reasonably recent 32 widescreen. How does the TV handle the text-mode signal? Does it sync well enough to be displayed before X kicks in, or is the boot-sequence hidden? Is there a site where I can read-up on this type of issue? Many thanks for any answers. Regards, Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Myth install WITHOUT the internet..
Knopmyth might be worth a look, it'll contain everything you need including all dependencies on a single CD. ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
