Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Monday 17 October 2005 12:39, Kevin Kuphal wrote: > Steve Adeff wrote: > >Yea, its even a internal conflict for me, I really do want to make sure I > > get my shows recorded, but the desire to see what new fixes, bugs and > > features have been added is a pretty a big desire as well > > I've found that keeping up with SVN and compiling from source make my > transitions to new releases a non-issue because I am basically always > running the new version. I keep a close eye on the commit and dev lists > so I can watch for a commit storm and avoid updating until things have > calmed down. I seem to upgrade SVN about once a month when it appears > things have been calm for a week or two. SVN is remarkably stable for a > project with this high level of change day to day. Because of this, I > pretty much never run apt-get/yum for updates once I have the system > working. > > Kevin good to know, I plan on compiling from source/SVN as well, so this is good news =) Steve now I just need to find an IR receiver... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Steve Adeff wrote: Yea, its even a internal conflict for me, I really do want to make sure I get my shows recorded, but the desire to see what new fixes, bugs and features have been added is a pretty a big desire as well I've found that keeping up with SVN and compiling from source make my transitions to new releases a non-issue because I am basically always running the new version. I keep a close eye on the commit and dev lists so I can watch for a commit storm and avoid updating until things have calmed down. I seem to upgrade SVN about once a month when it appears things have been calm for a week or two. SVN is remarkably stable for a project with this high level of change day to day. Because of this, I pretty much never run apt-get/yum for updates once I have the system working. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Chris Trown wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Tom Hines wrote: Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my system is borked. I can't play any video files -- no recordings or other. I get one second of audio and a blank screen. I see no error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. My system locks up with X taking up 99% cpu. I have to kill X to get back to mythtv. I tried running mplayer and xine from the command line and I get the same symptom. Mythbackend seems to be recording away as usual, though. I just can't watch any recordings. Too bad, I really want to watch the latest nip-tuck. Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. Good advice. However, there are times when it's necessary. Security being a good reason. Running a system with vulnerable binaries is asking for trouble. Yes, even if you are behind a firewall. On machines where I care about not "bork"ing the system, I do a "yum check-update" first and see what yum is going to install. If something might break the application on the system, I use more caution. No one can convince me that security fixes fall into the *necessary* category on my MythTV system that sits behind my hardware firewall with no accessibility to the outside world. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Monday 17 October 2005 11:08, Tom Lichti wrote: > I've done an apt-get upgrade of my (rarely used) slave backend, and one > frontend, and they both still work. I use Myth from source though, not > rpms. I still haven't worked up the nerve to do my main combined > front/backend (see next sentence!) same here, I've got myth compiled from source, which may aleviate upgrade problems with it, but until one encounters a problem... > I'm surprised, yet not really, that this is so common... :) My wife > asked me yesterday why I didn't just give up and go back to regular > cable? My response was "Are you insane?" :) I think she would (secretly) > miss it as much as I would...now if I could only stop tinkering... > > Tom Yea, its even a internal conflict for me, I really do want to make sure I get my shows recorded, but the desire to see what new fixes, bugs and features have been added is a pretty a big desire as well Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Kevin Kuphal wrote: Tom Hines wrote: Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my system is borked. I can't play any video files -- no recordings or other. I get one second of audio and a blank screen. I see no error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. My system locks up with X taking up 99% cpu. I have to kill X to get back to mythtv. I tried running mplayer and xine from the command line and I get the same symptom. Mythbackend seems to be recording away as usual, though. I just can't watch any recordings. Too bad, I really want to watch the latest nip-tuck. Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. Good advice. However, there are times when it's necessary. Security being a good reason. Running a system with vulnerable binaries is asking for trouble. Yes, even if you are behind a firewall. On machines where I care about not "bork"ing the system, I do a "yum check-update" first and see what yum is going to install. If something might break the application on the system, I use more caution. Chris... -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -- Benjamin Franklin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Steve Adeff wrote: What sources do you have active? I find having Stable normally active with Testing and Unstable available but commented out lets me safely update and if I want to be bleeding edge I will enable Testing then Unstable in that order. I also find for some apps its better to enable Unstable source and build using Stable's dev packages using apt-get build. Sometimes though they will require new versions of other packages you have, at which point it takes some I've done an apt-get upgrade of my (rarely used) slave backend, and one frontend, and they both still work. I use Myth from source though, not rpms. I still haven't worked up the nerve to do my main combined front/backend (see next sentence!) more manual lovin' to get to work. But like you and the others have said, for a "my wife needs to watch desperate housewives tonight" system, just leave it ;-) I'm surprised, yet not really, that this is so common... :) My wife asked me yesterday why I didn't just give up and go back to regular cable? My response was "Are you insane?" :) I think she would (secretly) miss it as much as I would...now if I could only stop tinkering... Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Sunday 16 October 2005 16:44, Tom Hines wrote: > On 10/15/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I > > think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix > > it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such > > as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade > > every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. > > Good advice -- which I had followed until this. I started out wanting > to install Xine, so that I could play DVDs including menu. Then I > remembered that I could never transcode anything, or rip DVDs from > Myth either. And XvMC mpeg2 hw decoding never worked for my PVR-250 > either. Then I saw all these updates to MythTV and in a moment of > greed/weakness thought that these would all be magically fixed. Oh > well, live and learn. > > The irony is that my best hope for getting my Tomvo back up and > running is to do an apt-get upgrade every day until it just works. At > least, that's all I can think of. > > On 10/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" > > related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), > > although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork > > to the US Supreme Court. > > I'd always assumed it was the latter. > > Tom What sources do you have active? I find having Stable normally active with Testing and Unstable available but commented out lets me safely update and if I want to be bleeding edge I will enable Testing then Unstable in that order. I also find for some apps its better to enable Unstable source and build using Stable's dev packages using apt-get build. Sometimes though they will require new versions of other packages you have, at which point it takes some more manual lovin' to get to work. But like you and the others have said, for a "my wife needs to watch desperate housewives tonight" system, just leave it ;-) Steve Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On 10/15/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I > think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix > it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such > as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade > every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. Good advice -- which I had followed until this. I started out wanting to install Xine, so that I could play DVDs including menu. Then I remembered that I could never transcode anything, or rip DVDs from Myth either. And XvMC mpeg2 hw decoding never worked for my PVR-250 either. Then I saw all these updates to MythTV and in a moment of greed/weakness thought that these would all be magically fixed. Oh well, live and learn. The irony is that my best hope for getting my Tomvo back up and running is to do an apt-get upgrade every day until it just works. At least, that's all I can think of. On 10/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" > related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), > although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork > to the US Supreme Court. I'd always assumed it was the latter. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
As to the etymology of the word, don't laugh... but I had always thought I had invented it myself. :) Or rather, my daughter. Seriously, though, I had never heard it used before I started saying it. Many years ago when my youngest daughter was around 2 years old and still trying to master this whole "talking" thing, she would say something "bork" instead of "broke." My wife and I thought it was cute so we started saying it too (I know, I know: way to reinforce a bad habit) and I've said it ever since. A few years back I heard/read somebody else use it and thought "Hey! That's my daughter's word!" :) And yes, my daughter is all grown up now and says "broke" like she's supposed to. However her mom and dad still can't get away from saying "bork." :) Back on topic, I'll just say that apt-get has become more troublesome lately for me, so I've gone back to yum (still using atrpms.net repositories as well as others) and things seem to be working much better. A few things about yum I don't care for (like its speed, refreshing its pkg lists at every invocation) but it does seem more reliable than apt-get lately. That said, doing a wholesale upgrade to a dedicated system like a Myth box is probably a bad idea unless you understand exactly what is going to be upgraded... and likely "borked." David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 08:08:08PM -0500, Kevin Kuphal wrote: Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my system is borked. I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork to the US Supreme Court. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Sunday 16 October 2005 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" > related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), > although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork > to the US Supreme Court. considering people used this term FAAAR before Robert Bork, I would ignore the talking heads and politico's who know not of the outside of politics world and go with the reason people went with before and consider it an homage to The Swedish Chef. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Sunday 16 October 2005 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" > related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), > although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork > to the US Supreme Court. considering people used this term FAAAR before Robert Bork, I would ignore the talking heads and politico's who know not of the outside of politics world and go wih ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Sunday 16 October 2005 04:21, Michael Stevens wrote: > I'm having some similar issues, because recently Debian standardised on GCC > 4.0, which seems to have issues compiling mythtv. If this is the case, then > you may need to downgrade to debian stable. If you were already running > debian stable - well - I guess I'm on the wrong track! export CC="gcc-3.3" will have debian use gcc 3.3 which is how I compiled MythTV from SVN on my Debian system with no issues. Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 08:08:08PM -0500, Kevin Kuphal wrote: > >Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my > >system is borked. I'd love to know the etymology of that word. Wikipedia says "possibly" related to the Swedish Chef (which was the first thing I thought of), although it could be an homage to the failed nomination of Robert Bork to the US Supreme Court. > Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I > think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix > it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such > as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade > every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. Debian recently switched from XFree86 to XOrg. I updated one of my front-end machines and it was such a hassle I left the other one alone. The problem is pretty deep in the lib dependencies - to get from one version of X to the other basically required uninstalling MythTV and then reinstalling again. FWIW, I *never* *EVER* do "apt-get upgrade". It's just too dangerous to allow an automated tool make that many changes without knowing in advance what's going to happen. As maligned as it is, I prefer to use dselect to view the impact of upgrades so I can hold back changes that would cause applications to be uninstalled due to missing dependencies (which often happens on testing/unstable because the apps and libraries don't get committed together). I still use apt-get to install individual packages. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
I'm having some similar issues, because recently Debian standardised on GCC 4.0, which seems to have issues compiling mythtv. If this is the case, then you may need to downgrade to debian stable. If you were already running debian stable - well - I guess I'm on the wrong track! On 10/15/05, Tom Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now mysystem is borked. I can't play any video files -- no recordings orother. I get one second of audio and a blank screen. I see no errormessages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. My system locks up with X taking up 99% cpu. I have to kill X to getback to mythtv. I tried running mplayer and xine from the commandline and I get the same symptom. Mythbackend seems to be recordingaway as usual, though. I just can't watch any recordings. Too bad, I really want to watch the latest nip-tuck.Oh, and the latest mythtv from ATRPMS doesn't seem to be compiled withXvMC. I don't see the option "Use XvMC VLD (PVR-x50 only)" anymore.Any ideas? Thanks,Tommythtv-0.18.1-114.rhfc3.atVia Epia M10KHaupauge PVR-250Fedora Core 3ATRPMs___mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.orghttp://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Tom Hines wrote: Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my system is borked. I can't play any video files -- no recordings or other. I get one second of audio and a blank screen. I see no error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. My system locks up with X taking up 99% cpu. I have to kill X to get back to mythtv. I tried running mplayer and xine from the command line and I get the same symptom. Mythbackend seems to be recording away as usual, though. I just can't watch any recordings. Too bad, I really want to watch the latest nip-tuck. Word to the wise (and I'm sure this doesn't help you much now), but I think you're much better off keeping to the "if it ain't broke dont' fix it" philosophy with the underlying components that MythTV relies on such as the OS, QT, drivers, etc. Unless you had some reason to upgrade every component in your system at once, I'd say, leave well enough alone. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] apt-get upgrade = borked mythtv
Hello. I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today and now my system is borked. I can't play any video files -- no recordings or other. I get one second of audio and a blank screen. I see no error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log. My system locks up with X taking up 99% cpu. I have to kill X to get back to mythtv. I tried running mplayer and xine from the command line and I get the same symptom. Mythbackend seems to be recording away as usual, though. I just can't watch any recordings. Too bad, I really want to watch the latest nip-tuck. Oh, and the latest mythtv from ATRPMS doesn't seem to be compiled with XvMC. I don't see the option "Use XvMC VLD (PVR-x50 only)" anymore. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom mythtv-0.18.1-114.rhfc3.at Via Epia M10K Haupauge PVR-250 Fedora Core 3 ATRPMs ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
