Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Peter Darley wrote: Indeed, it has the component input that I'm using. Oh. I saw TV out and was thinking NTSC/PAL and thought the limitation was on your card's defined sizes for modes it would scale to NTSC/PAL. Since you're using component output, using a size much larger than 720x480/576 makes sense. But, I was hoping there was a VGA or DVI connection available on the TV so you could totally circumvent the TV out circuitry. It's a DigiMatrix box, and someone said that it should be able to do 1920x1080 (1080i), but I have not been able to get this to work, and the refrence for Mr. Winischhoffer's SiS driver at: http:// www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart1.shtml#24 seems to say that tv-out only goes up to 1280x1024. I would love to hear that I'm wrong about this however, and any pointers toward getting a higher resolution tv out would be grand! :) It does have 1280x720, so I guess I'll try that. Definitely a better choice than 1280x1024. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
I have had great results, maybe it is not for everyone. I am not having they issues you talk about with the font I have chosen and the DPI am using. You are right for how the screen is going to laid out. I am right for what it looks like across the room. You are further right that myth will have trouble keeping HUGE fonts in small rectangles...if you don't pick good font. I choose tall narrow fonts and life is good. I can see it, and text doesn't spill everywhere. Just trying give other people multiple ways to do things...one will work best for them. Todd - Original Message - From: "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion about mythtv" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size Todd wrote: Although the FAQ is technically correct; think of the use-case. "Monitor Size" for X is generally with your face 2 feet from the screen. What is the "Monitor Size" when you are 30 feet away (to your eye)? Here is what the "Monitor" section of my XFree86-4 looks like: ~~ # Little Text # DisplaySize 400 300 # DisplaySize 360 270 # DisplaySize 320 240 # DisplaySize 280 210 # DisplaySize 240 180 DisplaySize 200 150 # DisplaySize 160 120 # DisplaySize 120 90 # DisplaySize 80 60 # DisplaySize 40 30 # HUGE Text I just uncomment out different lines until it is "just right". Each TV in my house used a different line to be just right. It is a balancing act, I would be amazed at any system that work at 40x30!...be somewhere between both ends will be just right for you. Note that when you do this, it is completely impossible for your text/graphics to line up properly when using a theme that was created correctly. Normally, a program calculates the appropriate position of graphic elements (in pixels = dots) relative to fonts (specified in points = 1/72 inch) based on the DPI (Dots Per Inch) specified by the windowing system. However, this requires run-time calculations. Myth's "theming engine" allows the creation of themes that combine text and graphical elements, but since the themes are simple XML (text) files, there is no ability to do calculations. Therefore, all themes are supposed to be created to use a fixed DPI--100 DPI--so that graphics and fonts line up appropriately on any /properly-configured/ Myth system. Now you know why the "technically correct" FAQ is completely correct--it's correct by specification--and using DisplaySize (which is used by X to calculate DPI) to adjust font sizes is incorrect. And, now you know why the little arrows in your playback box, etc. are in the wrong places... If you were to adjust your DisplaySize and then adjust all your themes for the resulting DPI, it would be just as "correct" as using 100DPI with the provided themes. However, that approach takes much more time and is likely to result in much bigger font problems when re-displaying Myth screens (i.e. mythtv-setup) on other systems on your network (which may not be using 100DPI, but are likely to be close enough to 100DPI that it will still be readable--especially on a monitor 2 feet in front of your eyes). So, please don't tell people to simply adjust their DisplaySize to fix font size problems. The /only/ correct way to adjust font size is to edit the font names and font sizes in the theme. (Editing font names is required when the specified font is not installed on your system. If Myth requests a non-existant font, X font substitution will select another font as a replacement and often the font metrics are very different from the requested font, so to take the unknown element out of the system, you must ensure the theme requests an installed font.) Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Michael, Indeed, it has the component input that I'm using. It's a DigiMatrix box, and someone said that it should be able to do 1920x1080 (1080i), but I have not been able to get this to work, and the refrence for Mr. Winischhoffer's SiS driver at: http:// www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart1.shtml#24 seems to say that tv-out only goes up to 1280x1024. I would love to hear that I'm wrong about this however, and any pointers toward getting a higher resolution tv out would be grand! :) It does have 1280x720, so I guess I'll try that. Thanks, Peter Darley On Oct 25, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote: Peter Darley wrote: I have a question about this: My video card will only go up to 1280x1024 on tv out, but I'm displaying it on a 16:9 aspect tv. Right now I have DispaySize=400 225, which tells xine etc that the screen isn't really 4:3. Would it work to set it to 462 260, being that 260 = 1024*2.54, and 462 = 260*(16/9)? I got this because the 1024 px height is the 'real' hight of the display, and then the width is relative to that. Does your 16:9 TV have any inputs besides the S-Video/Composite/ SCART connection you're using? You would be much better off using a proper 16:9 ratio in X and using 100 DPI on both axes. If you use anything besides 100 DPI square pixels (i.e. 100 DPI in both the horizontal and vertical planes), some of your graphic elements are likely to be misaligned. (See my other post in the thread.) I.e. the approach you're using will give you a calculated DPI of 70x100. That will result in proper vertical alignment of text/graphics (which is probably more important than horizontal alignment--because of arrows next to selected items, etc.) but will result in horizontal alignment problems. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Peter Darley wrote: I have a question about this: My video card will only go up to 1280x1024 on tv out, but I'm displaying it on a 16:9 aspect tv. Right now I have DispaySize=400 225, which tells xine etc that the screen isn't really 4:3. Would it work to set it to 462 260, being that 260 = 1024*2.54, and 462 = 260*(16/9)? I got this because the 1024 px height is the 'real' hight of the display, and then the width is relative to that. Does your 16:9 TV have any inputs besides the S-Video/Composite/SCART connection you're using? You would be much better off using a proper 16:9 ratio in X and using 100 DPI on both axes. If you use anything besides 100 DPI square pixels (i.e. 100 DPI in both the horizontal and vertical planes), some of your graphic elements are likely to be misaligned. (See my other post in the thread.) I.e. the approach you're using will give you a calculated DPI of 70x100. That will result in proper vertical alignment of text/graphics (which is probably more important than horizontal alignment--because of arrows next to selected items, etc.) but will result in horizontal alignment problems. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Todd wrote: Although the FAQ is technically correct; think of the use-case. "Monitor Size" for X is generally with your face 2 feet from the screen. What is the "Monitor Size" when you are 30 feet away (to your eye)? Here is what the "Monitor" section of my XFree86-4 looks like: ~~ # Little Text # DisplaySize 400 300 # DisplaySize 360 270 # DisplaySize 320 240 # DisplaySize 280 210 # DisplaySize 240 180 DisplaySize 200 150 # DisplaySize 160 120 # DisplaySize 120 90 # DisplaySize 80 60 # DisplaySize 40 30 # HUGE Text I just uncomment out different lines until it is "just right". Each TV in my house used a different line to be just right. It is a balancing act, I would be amazed at any system that work at 40x30!...be somewhere between both ends will be just right for you. Note that when you do this, it is completely impossible for your text/graphics to line up properly when using a theme that was created correctly. Normally, a program calculates the appropriate position of graphic elements (in pixels = dots) relative to fonts (specified in points = 1/72 inch) based on the DPI (Dots Per Inch) specified by the windowing system. However, this requires run-time calculations. Myth's "theming engine" allows the creation of themes that combine text and graphical elements, but since the themes are simple XML (text) files, there is no ability to do calculations. Therefore, all themes are supposed to be created to use a fixed DPI--100 DPI--so that graphics and fonts line up appropriately on any /properly-configured/ Myth system. Now you know why the "technically correct" FAQ is completely correct--it's correct by specification--and using DisplaySize (which is used by X to calculate DPI) to adjust font sizes is incorrect. And, now you know why the little arrows in your playback box, etc. are in the wrong places... If you were to adjust your DisplaySize and then adjust all your themes for the resulting DPI, it would be just as "correct" as using 100DPI with the provided themes. However, that approach takes much more time and is likely to result in much bigger font problems when re-displaying Myth screens (i.e. mythtv-setup) on other systems on your network (which may not be using 100DPI, but are likely to be close enough to 100DPI that it will still be readable--especially on a monitor 2 feet in front of your eyes). So, please don't tell people to simply adjust their DisplaySize to fix font size problems. The /only/ correct way to adjust font size is to edit the font names and font sizes in the theme. (Editing font names is required when the specified font is not installed on your system. If Myth requests a non-existant font, X font substitution will select another font as a replacement and often the font metrics are very different from the requested font, so to take the unknown element out of the system, you must ensure the theme requests an installed font.) Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Asher, I have a question about this: My video card will only go up to 1280x1024 on tv out, but I'm displaying it on a 16:9 aspect tv. Right now I have DispaySize=400 225, which tells xine etc that the screen isn't really 4:3. Would it work to set it to 462 260, being that 260 = 1024*2.54, and 462 = 260*(16/9)? I got this because the 1024 px height is the 'real' hight of the display, and then the width is relative to that. Of course, it occures to me that I could just try it and see what happens, but I've written this now, so if someone has some feedback before I have a chance to try this I would appreciate it. On Oct 25, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Asher Schaffer wrote: On 10/25/05, James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay here's a stupid question -- how do you change the size of the font in the Program Guide? in Settings->Appearance->Font Size seems to only change the font-size of the menus... I thought it might auto-adjust if i changed the # of channels and # of 30 mins timeslots to show, but even reduced to 2 and 2, there's big boxes with small text in them still. (almost too small to read) James First thing to do is make sure you are running at 100dpi. There is some info here: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf1473/MythFAQ.html#q23 you can also search this list for many discussions about font size. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Although the FAQ is technically correct; think of the use-case. "Monitor Size" for X is generally with your face 2 feet from the screen. What is the "Monitor Size" when you are 30 feet away (to your eye)? Here is what the "Monitor" section of my XFree86-4 looks like: ~~ # Little Text # DisplaySize 400 300 # DisplaySize 360 270 # DisplaySize 320 240 # DisplaySize 280 210 # DisplaySize 240 180 DisplaySize 200 150 # DisplaySize 160 120 # DisplaySize 120 90 # DisplaySize 80 60 # DisplaySize 40 30 # HUGE Text I just uncomment out different lines until it is "just right". Each TV in my house used a different line to be just right. It is a balancing act, I would be amazed at any system that work at 40x30!...be somewhere between both ends will be just right for you. Hope that helps, Todd - Original Message - From: "James Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion about mythtv" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size Thanks, this was exactly the problem. Sorry I didn't figure this one out on my own :) James On Tuesday 25 October 2005 12:44 pm, Asher Schaffer wrote: On 10/25/05, James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay here's a stupid question -- how do you change the size of the font > in the Program Guide? in Settings->Appearance->Font Size seems to > only > change the font-size of the menus... I thought it might auto-adjust > if > i changed the # of channels and # of 30 mins timeslots to show, but > even > reduced to 2 and 2, there's big boxes with small text in them still. > (almost too small to read) > > James First thing to do is make sure you are running at 100dpi. There is some info here: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf1473/MythFAQ.html#q23 you can also search this list for many discussions about font size. -- James Grant Lightbox Technologies Inc. http://www.lightbox.org 613-294-3670 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
Thanks, this was exactly the problem. Sorry I didn't figure this one out on my own :) James On Tuesday 25 October 2005 12:44 pm, Asher Schaffer wrote: > On 10/25/05, James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay here's a stupid question -- how do you change the size of the font > > in the Program Guide? in Settings->Appearance->Font Size seems to only > > change the font-size of the menus... I thought it might auto-adjust if > > i changed the # of channels and # of 30 mins timeslots to show, but even > > reduced to 2 and 2, there's big boxes with small text in them still. > > (almost too small to read) > > > > James > > First thing to do is make sure you are running at 100dpi. > > There is some info here: > http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf1473/MythFAQ.html#q23 > > you can also search this list for many discussions about font size. -- James Grant Lightbox Technologies Inc. http://www.lightbox.org 613-294-3670 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] program guide font size
On 10/25/05, James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay here's a stupid question -- how do you change the size of the font in the > Program Guide? in Settings->Appearance->Font Size seems to only change the > font-size of the menus... I thought it might auto-adjust if i changed the # > of channels and # of 30 mins timeslots to show, but even reduced to 2 and 2, > there's big boxes with small text in them still. (almost too small to read) > > James First thing to do is make sure you are running at 100dpi. There is some info here: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf1473/MythFAQ.html#q23 you can also search this list for many discussions about font size. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] program guide font size
Okay here's a stupid question -- how do you change the size of the font in the Program Guide? in Settings->Appearance->Font Size seems to only change the font-size of the menus... I thought it might auto-adjust if i changed the # of channels and # of 30 mins timeslots to show, but even reduced to 2 and 2, there's big boxes with small text in them still. (almost too small to read) James -- James Grant Lightbox Technologies Inc. http://www.lightbox.org 613-294-3670 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
