Re: ICMP Vulnerability

2005-04-13 Thread Alexei Roudnev

Too much noice on too small problem. The only use of this - BOT wars in IRC
world (mopre likely, with a very low success rate).


- Original Message - 
From: Alex Bligh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Hannigan, Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: nanog@merit.edu; Alex Bligh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: ICMP Vulnerability





 --On 12 April 2005 11:57 -0400 Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-=20050412-icmp.shtml

 Actually
  http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20050412-icmp.shtml


 Alex



Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 23:42 -0300, Doug Barton wrote:

 This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following
 one (1) IPv4 /8 block to AfriNIC:
 
 41/8   AfriNIC

Would you (read: IANA) also be so kind and give them a nice chunk out
of:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments

I guess and am most likely wrong, that many ISP's will be starting out
there and buying their equipment now, which, if they are able to get
IPv6 too at the same time would give a nice incentive to check out the
hardware that does IPv6, bringing Africa directly into the 21st
century :)

If I divided the list correctly, though based on continent, not on RIR
region, there should be a number of IPv6 ISP's already as per:
http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/all/?continent=africa

Btw, is there going to be an LACNIC-alike system for transfering
RIPE/ARIN resources to AfriNIC?

Greets,
 Jeroen



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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Doug Barton
Jeroen Massar wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 23:42 -0300, Doug Barton wrote:

This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following
one (1) IPv4 /8 block to AfriNIC:
41/8   AfriNIC

Would you (read: IANA) also be so kind and give them a nice chunk out
of:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments
There is already a /23 in 2001::/16 that has AfriNIC's name on it, you'll be 
hearing more about that tomorr... errr... later today. Allocations of larger 
IPv6 blocks are still handled on a case by case basis until there is a 
global IPv6 allocation policy developed in the manner described by the new 
ASO MOU. A new draft of such a policy will be discussed at ARIN's meeting in 
Orlando next week.

Btw, is there going to be an LACNIC-alike system for transfering
RIPE/ARIN resources to AfriNIC?
I wouldn't characterize it exactly that way, but resources that have been 
held in trust and/or managed by the other RIRs in anticipation of an African 
RIR will be transferred. The details of those arrangements are primarily 
administrative matters, and while ICANN is happy to assist if necessary, we 
have confidence that the RIRs will work this out in due time.

Regards,
Doug
--
Doug Barton
General Manager, The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Michael . Dillon

 ...and hilarity ensued. Not.
 
 http://www.icannwatch.org/articles/05/04/11/132201.shtml

 Sigh.  I am certainly not happy to see this and I must confess dismay 
 that the subject rears its ugly head.  My life has been better since 
 i stopped paying attention to these people hoping that they would 
 sink beneath the surface of the sea.
 
 I looked at the Cave Bear blog and saw nothing there that offered any 
 kind of concise clear picture of WHAT their proposed allocation 
 policy was and why it was bad. 

This is all a tempest in a teapot and it is all caused by
a poor choice of headings and seems to be a knee jerk 
reaction to several possible ways in which the heading
can be misunderstood. The heading in question is 
IP4 Global Allocation Policy. But the truth of the
matter is found in the first clause:

Whereas, the ASO Address Council has forwarded a codification of 
existing global policies for allocation of IPv4 address blocks 
from IANA to the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), affirming 
that the Policy had been approved in accordance with the policy 
development process adopted and specified by the ASO MOU.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with IPv4 allocations to
IP network operators or end users, both of which are 
governed by REGIONAL policies created and administered
by the REGIONAL Internet Registries.

I think it is a good think that ICANN has accepted a policy which
treats all regions evenly and a policy which was created, bottom
up, by the regional groups themselves.

ICANN is not perfect but it is hard to see anything
wrong with this particular action.

--Michael Dillon



Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:14:05AM +0200,
 Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
 a message of 49 lines which said:

 Btw, is there going to be an LACNIC-alike system for transfering
 RIPE/ARIN resources to AfriNIC?

AFAIK, all inetnums belonging to Africa in the RIPE-NCC database have
already been transferred (I don't know for ARIN):

% whois -h whois.ripe.net 217.64.96.0 
% This is the RIPE Whois query server #2.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/copyright.html

inetnum:  217.64.96.0 - 217.64.111.255
org:  ORG-AFNC1-RIPE
netname:  AFRINIC-NET-TRANSFERRED-20050223
descr:This network has been transferred to AFRINIC
remarks:  These IP addresses are assigned in the AFRINIC region.
remarks:  Authoritative registration information for this network
remarks:  is available for query and modification in
remarks:  the AFRINIC whois database: whois.afrinic.net or
remarks:  web site: http://www.afrinic.net
remarks:  The routing registry information (route(6) objects)
remarks:  may be published in any Routing Registry, including
remarks:  RIPE Whois Database
country:  EU # country is really somewhere in African Region
admin-c:  AFRI-RIPE
tech-c:   AFRI-RIPE
status:   ALLOCATED PA
mnt-by:   RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-routes:   RIPE-NCC-RPSL-MNT
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20050223
source:   RIPE


New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)


BetaNews:

New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Outage_Hits_Comcast_Subscribers/1113367699

- ferg

--
Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ferg's tech blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/fergdawg/


Re: Hotmail-- Again??

2005-04-13 Thread Matthew Black

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:18:41 +0530
 Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 4/12/05, Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. After given a numeric SMTP error response code between 500 and 599
   (also known as a permanent non-delivery response), the sender 
must
   not attempt to retransmit that message to that recipient.

Microsoft Outlook doesn't follow this rule. Outlook perpetually retries
sending messages which encounter an SMTP permanent error between
500 and 599. How interesting that their on-line e-mail service has
rules that prevent use of the parent company's own products.  8-)
Outlook is not an MTA and it is not going to connect to MSN/Hotmail's
servers to deliver mail.
And Hotmail is run by a rather different group of people than those
that code Outlook.

You missed the point of my message. I am fully aware that Outlook
is an MUA and Hotmail does not let their free customers use MUAs.
Paid Hotmail customers are permitted to use their own MUA.
The point of my original post is that Microsoft owns an on-line
e-mail portal that follows RFC-[2]821 (or is it [2]822) by requiring
connecting systems to obey the 5xx response codes as permanent
failures and never attempt redelivery of the errant message.
Microsoft Outlook and Exchange do NOT understand that 5xx error codes
are permanent and will attempt redelivery, indefintely in the case of
Outlook.
matthew black
california state university, long beach


Comcast Contact

2005-04-13 Thread Ross Hosman
Could someone from Comcast please email me off list.

Ross Hosman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Eric A. Hall


I thought you were doing these on a blog now


On 4/12/2005 8:25 PM, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
 
 ...and hilarity ensued. Not.
 
 http://www.icannwatch.org/articles/05/04/11/132201.shtml
 
 - ferg
 
 --
 Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ferg's tech blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/fergdawg/
 

-- 
Eric A. Hallhttp://www.ehsco.com/
Internet Core Protocols  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocati on

2005-04-13 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)


I am.

- ferg

-- Eric A. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I thought you were doing these on a blog now

-- 
Eric A. Hallhttp://www.ehsco.com/
Internet Core Protocols  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/



Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Dave Crocker

  This is all a tempest in a teapot and it is all caused by a poor choice of
  headings and seems to be a knee jerk reaction to several possible ways in
  which the heading can be misunderstood.


Auerbach complains about ICANN.

He challenges process rather than outcomes.

He even cites the absence of protracted, public dialogue as 'proof' that input
is being ignored.

The input turns out to be markedly minimal, where he comprises 25% of it.

An anti-ICANN website publishes it.

Why is it anyone thinks this sort of icann-bashing-as-usual, is somehow
significant and worthy of burdening nanog?


  d/
  ---
  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  +1.408.246.8253
  dcrocker  a t ...
  WE'VE MOVED to:  www.bbiw.net




RE: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Hannigan, Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Gordon Cook
 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:22 PM
 To: nanog@merit.edu
 Subject: Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP
 Allocation
 
 
 
 ...and hilarity ensued. Not.
 
 http://www.icannwatch.org/articles/05/04/11/132201.shtml
 
 - ferg
 
 
 Sigh.  I am certainly not happy to see this and I must confess dismay 
 that the subject rears its ugly head.  My life has been better since 
 i stopped paying attention to these people hoping that they would 
 sink beneath the surface of the sea.

[ SNIP ]

I'm paying attention and when I saw that announcement
I contacted an ARIN AC ASO rep and asked for some detail.
The explanation I received was that this was documenting
some existing practice which seems to be line up with the
meeting notes and other comments I've read.

Is there an operational problem with what happened? 

-M
 


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Randy Bush

 Why is it anyone thinks this sort of icann-bashing-as-usual, is somehow
 significant and worthy of burdening nanog?

we should return to fergie's endless news items?

procmail is your friend

randy



Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Irwin Lazar

During the first outage this week I used Bluetooth DUN via my Treo to
dial-up from home and check Comcast's customer support web page.  There was
a note on the network health page stating that Internet access was down
for all cable modem subscribers.

Uh no, it wasn't down - just their DNS was down (which I suppose to most is
the same as the Internet being down).  Of course, none of Comcast's
subscribers could actually get to that page unless they had an alternative
service or could manually modify their DNS settings to point elsewhere. (I'm
reminded of Less Nessmen's famous broadcast announcing that WKRP was off the
air).



Irwin



 From: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:15:50 GMT
 To: nanog@merit.edu
 Subject: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
 
 
 
 BetaNews:
 
 New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
 http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Outage_Hits_Comcast_Subscribers/1113367699
 
 - ferg
 
 --
 Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ferg's tech blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/fergdawg/



Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Peter John Hill
Dear Comcast,
Let me inform you of an exciting new concept... Anycast DNS... It is  
not difficult... Get with the freaking program...

Peter
On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:

BetaNews:
New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Outage_Hits_Comcast_Subscribers/ 
1113367699

- ferg
--
Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ferg's tech blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/fergdawg/



Re: Comcast Contact

2005-04-13 Thread Scott Grayban

On Wednesday April 13 2005 08:04, Ross Hosman wrote:
 Could someone from Comcast please email me off list.
 
 Ross Hosman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

http://www.nanog.org/email.html

Follow directions..


-- 
Scott Grayban
Security/Abuse Engineer
FCT Enterprises -- www.fctsupport.com


Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Brandon Ross
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Peter John Hill wrote:
Let me inform you of an exciting new concept... Anycast DNS... It is not 
difficult... Get with the freaking program...
I attempted to get DNS deployed under anycast when I worked there.  As you 
can see, I don't work there any more.  Draw your own conclusions.

--
Brandon Ross  AIM:  BrandonNRoss
Director, Network Engineering ICQ:  2269442
InternapYahoo:  BrandonNRoss


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Eric A. Hall


On 4/13/2005 6:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ICANN is not perfect but it is hard to see anything
 wrong with this particular action.

what's got to be wrong about it? ICANNwatch is the unelected opposition
party to ICANN's unelected majority party. Whatever ICANN does, ICANNwatch
finds somebody who opposes it or comes out and opposes it themselves if
they must, cause that's what opposition parties do. Being right or wrong
or in the service of the community has nothing to do with it.


-- 
Eric A. Hallhttp://www.ehsco.com/
Internet Core Protocols  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/


Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread John Palmer

Thank you for that information. I can leave 41/8 in my router bogon list
and hopefully eliminate the Nigerian 419 problem somewhat.

- Original Message - 
From: Doug Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 21:42
Subject: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)



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 Greetings,

 This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following
 one (1) IPv4 /8 block to AfriNIC:

 41/8   AfriNIC

 For a full list of IANA IPv4 allocations please see:

 http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

 This is the first allocation to AfriNIC after their recent recognition as
a
 Regional Internet Registry. The ICANN staff would like to offer its
 congratulations to AfriNIC for this significant achievement.

 - --
 Doug Barton
 General Manager, The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Meuse

On 4/13/05, John Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Thank you for that information. I can leave 41/8 in my router bogon list
 and hopefully eliminate the Nigerian 419 problem somewhat.


Personally, I believe we should give them the chance to fail before we
cut them off from the rest of the world. I don't think the majority of
419 email comes from addresses actually sourced in Nigeria.

-Steve


Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:24:13 PDT, Dave Crocker said:

(citing out of order to make a point...)

 The input turns out to be markedly minimal, where he comprises 25% of it.

Whether Karl is in fact right or a raving net.loon, there is indeed something 
very
wrong with the process if he's 25% of the input.

 He even cites the absence of protracted, public dialogue as 'proof' that 
 input 
 is being ignored.

Exactly.  This is the Internet, remember?  Even a mostly-obvious statement like
ISPs should prevent their customers from leaking rfc1918-sourced addresses 
will
start a flamefest.  So the *lack* of a flame-fest regarding *any* action taken
by ICANN should tell you something about the perception of ICANN - even the
majority of net.loons have learned it's not worth the effort



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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Gary E. Miller

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Yo Steve!

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Steve Meuse wrote:

 Personally, I believe we should give them the chance to fail before we
 cut them off from the rest of the world. I don't think the majority of
 419 email comes from addresses actually sourced in Nigeria.

Yeah, but the only thing I get from Nigeria is 419s. YMMV.  So much so
that my users demanded I block Nigerian IPs.  Still, I'll wait until
41/8 is abused before I block it.

RGDS
GARY
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676

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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Scott Weeks



 This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following
 one (1) IPv4 /8 block to AfriNIC:

 41/8   AfriNIC


To those suggesting a block of 41/8 to stop the Nigerian 419 problem or
any other percieved problem:

C'mon Africa != Nigeria.  It's an entire friggin' continent with 53 other
countries besides Nigeria.  How does that saying go?  I encourage my
competitors to do this.  (Oh yeah, don't forget to block all Chinese IP
addresses while you're at it.  That's only one country... 8-)  Do you
REALLY think blocking 41/8 will stop those emails?

AfriNIC just received final recognition as the 5th RIR by ICANN a few days
ago after 8 years of hard work.  Give 'em a break!  See www.afrinic.net

scott



Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-13 Thread Dean Anderson

Thanks for the clarification. I agree, it is very unusual to transfer a
trademark without transferring the product it identifies. I didn't know it 
was impossible.

Since you are an expert on the subject, I would like to have your opinion
regarding how ISC can claim a trademark on BIND, assuming no transfer ever
took place. Or if you think it cannot reasonably make such a claim.

--Dean


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www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service
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RE: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

2005-04-13 Thread Neil J. McRae

I'd prefer it if you gave an opinion on how this was
operationally relevant? 


 
 Thanks for the clarification. I agree, it is very unusual to 
 transfer a trademark without transferring the product it 
 identifies. I didn't know it was impossible.
 
 Since you are an expert on the subject, I would like to have 
 your opinion regarding how ISC can claim a trademark on BIND, 
 assuming no transfer ever took place. Or if you think it 
 cannot reasonably make such a claim.
 



Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Doug Barton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether Karl is in fact right or a raving net.loon, there is indeed something 
very
wrong with the process if he's 25% of the input.
It may be useful to keep in mind that this is the tail end of a long process 
that we're talking about here. There was already a lot of discussion about 
this in the RIR regional forums when the policy was being developed, so far 
from being symptomatic of a problem I think that the lack of controversy 
here is a good sign that the system works.

FWIW,
Doug
--
If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough


Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread John Palmer

You do know that I was joking, don't you??
Sorry, I didn't know that NANOG has a humor filter on it.

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 16:26
Subject: Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)





  This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following
  one (1) IPv4 /8 block to AfriNIC:
 
  41/8   AfriNIC


 To those suggesting a block of 41/8 to stop the Nigerian 419 problem or
 any other percieved problem:

 C'mon Africa != Nigeria.  It's an entire friggin' continent with 53 other
 countries besides Nigeria.  How does that saying go?  I encourage my
 competitors to do this.  (Oh yeah, don't forget to block all Chinese IP
 addresses while you're at it.  That's only one country... 8-)  Do you
 REALLY think blocking 41/8 will stop those emails?

 AfriNIC just received final recognition as the 5th RIR by ICANN a few days
 ago after 8 years of hard work.  Give 'em a break!  See www.afrinic.net

 scott







Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Scott Weeks



On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, John Palmer wrote:

:  To those suggesting a block of 41/8 to stop the Nigerian 419 problem or
:  any other percieved problem:

: You do know that I was joking, don't you??
: Sorry, I didn't know that NANOG has a humor filter on it.


You weren't the only one suggesting it and I was worried there were more
lurking that might consider it.  Also, there was no smiley face...  :)

scott



Re: Auerbach Accuses ICANN Board of Dereliction of Duty on IP Allocation

2005-04-13 Thread Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
Not so.  The idea of an opposition party suggests the editors of ICW have 
some desire to be in control.  Not at all.

Further, we run a slash server.  Most of the content is contributed.  We 
don't have to go hunt for it.

If ICANN ran decent discussion boards, it would put us out o business. 
One can only hope and dream.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Eric A. Hall wrote:

On 4/13/2005 6:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ICANN is not perfect but it is hard to see anything
wrong with this particular action.
what's got to be wrong about it? ICANNwatch is the unelected opposition
party to ICANN's unelected majority party. Whatever ICANN does, ICANNwatch
finds somebody who opposes it or comes out and opposes it themselves if
they must, cause that's what opposition parties do. Being right or wrong
or in the service of the community has nothing to do with it.

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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Richard Cox

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:38:44 UTC Steve Meuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/13/05, John Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank you for that information. I can leave 41/8 in my router bogon
 list and hopefully eliminate the Nigerian 419 problem somewhat.

 Personally, I believe we should give them the chance to fail before we
 cut them off from the rest of the world. I don't think the majority of
 419 email comes from addresses actually sourced in Nigeria.

The largest part (90%) does originate in Nigeria.  The remainder comes
from countries adjacent to Nigeria such as Togo, Senegal, etc (~6%) or
from the Netherlands (~4%)

Unfortunately, the traffic originating in Nigeria comes out on satellite
connections which have established IP ranges assigned to the Satellite
operator and configured as part of his ASN.  In other words, they will
mostly match the location of the Satellite downlink - UK, Denmark, or
Israel etc.  Typically less than 10% of the traffic from Nigeria uses
IPs assigned on the basis of the network actually being in Nigeria.

The 419 scammers are so used now to port 25 on their own IP addresses
being blocked (either by their own ISP or by the recipient network)
that they have all but given up on direct mailing.  Their main methods
are to send through Webmail on a network that doesn't take subscription
security sufficiently seriously (Tiscali, Microsoft Hotmail, etc) or to
use a compromised server such one running PHPNuke webmail.

Leaving 41/8 as a bogon, or otherwise filtering it, will make less than
1% overall difference in the volume of 419-style spam that you receive.
Just for completeness, the lottery style scams, which are another form
of Advance Fee Fraud, also originate in Nigeria even though they may
claim to be from people in the UK or in other parts of the EEC.

Just to keep this on topic I will relate the tale of a systems engineer
who I called, to point out the volume of 419 mail coming through their
mailservers.  I can't look at that now, he said, the current load on
our smarthosts is so high that the mail is backing up - and I have to
get this proposal for four new servers finished for the Board tonight

Then it suddenly dawned on him why his mail load had become so high ...

-- 
Richard Cox


where 419 scams come from (was: Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8))

2005-04-13 Thread Steven Champeon

on Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 02:38:44PM -0600, Steve Meuse wrote:
 
 On 4/13/05, John Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Thank you for that information. I can leave 41/8 in my router bogon list
  and hopefully eliminate the Nigerian 419 problem somewhat.
 
 Personally, I believe we should give them the chance to fail before we
 cut them off from the rest of the world. I don't think the majority of
 419 email comes from addresses actually sourced in Nigeria.

I can't speak to the whole world's perceptions, but for 419/aff mail
seen here, the vast majority comes from IPs assigned to the following
ISO country codes:

(africa|AR|BF|BG|BJ|BW|CI|DK|ES|GH|IL|KE|KR|LB|LV|ML|MR|NG|NL|RW|SN|TG|ZA|ZW)

Where 'africa' means IP space delegated to africa-online.com
(216.104.192/20).

Also see quite a bit from BR, the occasional one or two from space in
the US, satellite connections, and some from FR. I know this because I
use the Received: and various X-Originating-IP format headers (usually
originating via some compromised or unmonitored webmail software) to
extract the injection IP and reject messages if the source matches the
ISO codes above in a crossref of IP to ISO code or other keyword.

I used to see quite a bit from Australia, but bigpond seems to have
cleaned up its act significantly.

Steve

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Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Randy Bush

 The largest part (90%) does originate in Nigeria.  The remainder comes
 from countries adjacent to Nigeria such as Togo, Senegal, etc (~6%) or
 from the Netherlands (~4%)

would love to see the cite for this, please

randy



Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Meuse

On 4/13/05, Richard Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The largest part (90%) does originate in Nigeria.  The remainder comes
 from countries adjacent to Nigeria such as Togo, Senegal, etc (~6%) or
 from the Netherlands (~4%)


So we should spank the rest of the *continent* for one countries issues? 


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-Steve


Re: New IANA IPv4 allocation to AfriNIC (41/8)

2005-04-13 Thread Dan Hollis

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
  The largest part (90%) does originate in Nigeria.  The remainder comes
  from countries adjacent to Nigeria such as Togo, Senegal, etc (~6%) or
  from the Netherlands (~4%)
 would love to see the cite for this, please
 randy

I have a collected archive of nearly 1000 nigerian scam emails if anyone 
would like to do an analysis.

From what I recall a large % of origin IP (where origin IP is 
identifiable) are registered directly to Lagos.

-Dan




Today's tech news highlights

2005-04-13 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)


For your perusal:

 Fed Panel Approves Tyco's Sale of Undersea Cable To India's Tata
 Microsoft Worm Cleaner Goes Rootkit Hunting
 Standards and specs: Naturally occurring standards
 Senators pledge action on data brokers
 Anti-spyware group collapses
 Florida Wins First Injunction Against Spammers
 Yahoo offers free hosting to small businesses
 One-Third Of Large Enterprises Favor Managed VoIP
 New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
 GM MasterCard warns of security theft
 Phishy behaviour or harmless spin?
 Telstra BigPond disconnecting Trojan-infected customers
 Sanswire to launch  Stratellite Airships
 

Articles  links available via:
 http://spaces.msn.com/members/fergdawg/

Cheers,

- ferg

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Re: Comcast Contact

2005-04-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

On 4/13/05, Ross Hosman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Could someone from Comcast please email me off list.
 
 Ross Hosman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you have an AS, get yourself an inoc-dba phone. Easiest way to
contact network operators that I know of.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


NOC-DBA Phone (was Re: Comcast Contact)

2005-04-13 Thread Jeffrey I. Schiller

I have one, and its cool. However the time I *really* needed it was
because I couldn't reach a particular AS... and of course neither could
my INOC-DBA phone (sigh...).

-Jeff

On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 23:12, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
 On 4/13/05, Ross Hosman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Could someone from Comcast please email me off list.
  
  Ross Hosman
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 If you have an AS, get yourself an inoc-dba phone. Easiest way to
 contact network operators that I know of.
-- 
=
Jeffrey I. Schiller
MIT Network Manager
Information Services and Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
77 Massachusetts Avenue  Room W92-190
Cambridge, MA 02139-4307
617.253.0161 - Voice
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Re: INOC-DBA Phone (was Re: Comcast Contact)

2005-04-13 Thread Bill Woodcock

  On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote:
 I have one, and its cool. However the time I *really* needed it was
 because I couldn't reach a particular AS... and of course neither could
 my INOC-DBA phone (sigh...).

There are several ways around that...  Probably the easiest is to have 
your INOC-DBA phone number ring not only the SIP phone on your NOC desk, 
but a couple of commercial gateways like Vonage and BroadVoice and so 
forth, which would not, under most circumstances, all be affected by the 
same outage.  One hopes.  They would then ring PSTN numbers for you.

Another way around the problem, which has been the most common one 
historically, is to put the INOC-DBA phones on different DSL/cable 
providers' lines run into your NOC, as well as on your own network.  Three 
phones, reached through three ASNs, and _something_ should ring.

A third way, which only a few ISPs have done, is to run a separate 
infrastructure out to a few exchanges, just to support those VoIP calls.  
That probably only makes sense if you're doing it anyway, for broader VoIP 
peering.

-Bill



Re: Router choice for medium size hosting provider

2005-04-13 Thread Bill Stewart

Cisco's web site has a Miercom report
http://www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/products/ps5854/c1244/cdccont_0900aecd8017382b.pdf
that tested a bidirectional UDP flow between two 10/100 ports, with
big IP packets,
firewall and NAT running and logging turned on, and they got 130 Mbps.  

Your mileage may vary, depending on what a 50 Mbps fibre link is and
what hardware and protocols you're using to support it (ATM?  51 Mbps
SONET channel on OC3?  Some kind of fiber Ethernet device?), and if
you're using only 10/100 Mbps Ethernet cards, you'll want to enable
full duplex if you can.  Presumably a real application is much faster,
if you don't need all the firewalling and NAT services.

 Thanks; Bill

Note that this isn't my regular email account - It's still experimental so far.
And Google probably logs and indexes everything you send it.