RE: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)
Wow! One statement about unrest in a country and the flames hit the ceiling. I've travelled to over twenty countries (incl, one of the two listed below), many others hostile...and the news about them are very often not too far off the mark. I'm not trying to dissuade people from attending the conference, just be aware...of course, if anyone wants to waste anymore bw on this, I'll have to turn on my deny flames statement. Denis -Original Message- From: Bill Woodcock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/28/2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG) Poyerd, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From multiple news sources. Please correct me if I'm wrong, your message happened to come out as I hear about possible issues in Nepal. Oh, come on, don't be a nitwit. Whois says you're in _Arlington, Virginia, in the United States_. Now which do you think is safer, staying at home, or going to Nepal for the same period of time? Let me guess; you have a television, you think Thailand is full of prostitutes, you think Russia is full of gangsters, and you've never actually been to any of those three countries. Am I right? Free clue: go look at the numbers. You have my abject apologies, of course, if you're actually Canadian. For everybody else, yes, I know I'm being grouchy. I just find this kind of behavior incredibly offensive; this kind of reality-defying jingoism is one of the most embarassing things about being identified as an American while travelling. Happy Thanksgiving. -Bill
RE: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Gordon Cook wrote: In 99 and 2000 there was an internet cafe in Namche. It depended for connection to the outside world on a microwave link on towers between Lukla and Jiri. In January 2001 the Maoists blew up the repeater towers leaving namche and the everest region without internet and telecom of any kind. For all of 2001 and most of 2002 Tsering went back and forth between namche and kathmandu, picking the brains of the ISPs and trying to reestablish internet and bring local phone services to the the towns of the Solu Khumbu. Finally with VSat and radio telephones and a PBX and copper wire, he brought up a small asset based telecom/internet system in the solu khumbu on october 19, 2002. he doesn't have a web site up yet. But by the Sanog meeting he should have an excellent site up. I spent several hours with him every day from november 3 through november 7th. His plans are fascinating and testimony to both his creativeness and that of the Nepali ISPs who are helping him. i intend to assist him in a number of ways as well. If he does all he is setting out to do, he will put a floor of economic and political stability underneath the everest region. That region will be connected to the rest of the world as never before and there will be a web based repository of the region's history and culture and detailed information on all treking and climbing activities. I am much inspired by what i have seen and heard. This story is a reminder to us all, to contribute (or talk our employers into contributing) time, money, personnel, or expertise to Geek Corps (www.geekcorps.org). Bring the internet to a third world country, and you greatly improve that country's economic outlook, and with that comes political and economic stability -- and another market for your company's product. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bill Woodcock wrote: For everybody else, yes, I know I'm being grouchy.I just find this kind of behavior incredibly offensive; this kind of reality-defying jingoism is one of the most embarassing things about being identified as an American while travelling.Happy Thanksgiving. Just to add on what Bill said, I've been to Nepal for a month, I think it's the most beautiful place I've ever seen so far anywhere in the world (and yet so much remains to be seen). Also, the people there are nice, helpful, peaceful (yes, I know they have inner turmoil right now) and the whole mentality is way different than any of us have been brought up upon. Even if it weren't for SANOG, it is a place well worth visiting, IMHO. I may be way off, but the way I see it, there is so much to see in this world, and such a short life, why not use it... enjoy SANOG, --Ariel -Bill -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
FYI: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)
This is an FYI only... The first meeting of the South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG) will take place alongside ITConference2003 (http://www.itconference.org.np/) in Kathmandu, Nepal on 23rd-27th January 2003. Its aimed at ISPs and Network Operators in the South Asia region, basically encompassing the Indian subcontinent and neighbouring countries. SANOG doesn't quite yet have a website, but hopefully this isn't too far off. This is the first attempt to create such an operators group in this part of Asia; if anyone is interested in supporting this new NOG, please feel free to contact Gaurab Raj Upadhaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] who is organising the event. philip --
