Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[William Herrin]

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in 
> the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the 
> information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by 
> the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as 
> William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.

Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor?


>  legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald 
> Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can 
> explain that to me I will be thankful.
> Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless one in 
> old scriptures:

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to
do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter
argument.

You could probably have picked a better venue for it too, one whose
participants aren't presently being treated to an exhausting quantity
of whack-job conspiracy theories every time they turn on the news.
You'll find us predisposed to believe the peddler of a conspiracy
theory to be a fool.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

P.S. Ronald, I know you've been spoken to about ad hominem attacks.
You could have stopped after the first two paragraphs and the link.
Your screed and faux questions about what crooks you thought these
folks to be added exactly nothing to the conversation you hoped to
start.

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Elad Cohen]

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.


Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you 
are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect.

Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
facts and data?

Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own 
quotes right here in Nanog.

"If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are 
not the word of god and are not above law and justice.

To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy 
is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA 
(according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to 
AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each 
and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete 
a legacy netblock).

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html 
- "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."


Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
pressure" game.


I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based 
on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any 
network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but 
tomorrow it can be you.




From: NANOG  on behalf of William 
Herrin 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in 
> the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the 
> information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by 
> the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as 
> William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.

Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor?


>  legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald 
> Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can 
> explain that to me I will be thankful.
> Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless one in 
> old scriptures:

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to
do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter
argument.

You could probably have picked a better venue for it too, one whose
participants aren't presently being treated to an exhausting quantity
of whack-job conspiracy theories every time they turn on the news.
You'll find us predisposed to believe the peddler of a conspiracy
theory to be a fool.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

P.S. Ronald, I know you've been spoken to about ad hominem attacks.
You could have stopped after the first two paragraphs and the link.
Your screed and faux questions about what crooks you thought these
folks to be added exactly nothing to the conversation you hoped to
start.

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Matt Corallo]

For those curious, Johan indicated on Twitter this was a JunOS bug.

https://twitter.com/gustawsson/status/1328298914785730561

Matt

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 23:13, Matt Corallo  wrote:
> 
> Maybe? Never been an issue before. In this case the route does have a depref 
> community on Telia hence why one wouldn’t expect it via the same path, but 
> the other ghost route in question never had anything similar.
> 
> Matt
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 23:07, Olivier Benghozi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> One of the routing gears on the path don't like the large community inside 
>> those routes maybe ? :)
>> By the way we currently see 2620:6e:a002::/48 at LINX LON1 from Choopa and 
>> HE...
>> 
 Le 16 nov. 2020 à 04:44, Matt Corallo  a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Yea, I did try that on that test prefix but it just stuck around anyway.. I 
>>> don't care too much, its just some stale test prefix.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, I now see it again with 2620:6e:a002::/48, which, somewhat more 
>>> impressively, is now generating a routing loop Ashburn <-> NYC, and has 
>>> always been announced from other places has was dropped/re-announced as wel.
>>> 
>>> Must just be something with my particular prefixes, oh well.
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
 On 11/15/20 10:40 PM, Olivier Benghozi wrote:
 Probably a ghost route. Such thing happens :(
 https://labs.ripe.net/Members/romain_fontugne/bgp-zombies
 Their (nice) LG shows that it's still advertised from a router of theirs 
 in Frankfurt (iBGP next hop :::2.255.251.224 – so by the way they use 
 6PE).
 Your best option would probably be to re-advertise the exact same prefix, 
 then re-withdraw it, then yell at Telia's NOC if it fails...
 Some years ago we experienced something similar (it was a router of TI 
 Sparkle still advertising a prefix of us in Asia to their clients, that 
 they were previously receiving from our former transit GTT – we were 
 advertising it in Europe...).
> Le 16 nov. 2020 à 02:58, Matt Corallo  a écrit :
> 
> Has anyone else experienced issues where Telia won't withdraw (though 
> will happily accept an overriding) prefixes for the past week, at least?
> 
> eg 2620:6e:a003::/48 was a test prefix and should not now appear in any 
> DFZ, has not been announced for a few days at least, but shows up in 
> Telia's LG and RIPE RIS as transiting Telia. Telia's LG traceroute 
> doesn't of course, go anywhere, traces die immediately after a hop or 
> with a !N.
> 
> Wouldn't be a problem except that I needed to withdraw another route due 
> to a separate issue which wouldn't budge out of Telia's tables until it 
> was replaced with something else of higher pref.
> 
> Matt
>> 

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Tom Beecher]

I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to
this list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.

It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a
topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old
Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community.

As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter
conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here
too.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:

> 
> *If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a
> lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.*
> 
>
> Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that
> you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due
> respect.
>
> Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or
> with facts and data?
>
> Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to
> his own quotes right here in Nanog.
>
> "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband,
> are not the word of god and are not above law and justice.
>
> To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And
> AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that
> I was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored.
> And AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC
> policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed
> RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in
> contradiction to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage:
> https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on
> each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can
> just delete a legacy netblock).
>
>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html
> - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources
> are provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."
>
>
> Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions,
> approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and
> unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members),
> while writing lies to their community and playing a long with the
> "community pressure" game.
>
>
> I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not
> based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community
> pressure. Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad
> habits (like enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that
> today it is me but tomorrow it can be you.
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf of
> William Herrin 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org 
> *Subject:* Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies,
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over
> in the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the
> information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected
> by the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as
> William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.
>
> Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor?
>
>
> >  legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald
> Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can
> explain that to me I will be thankful.
> > Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless one
> in old scriptures:
>
> If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to
> do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter
> argument.
>
> You could probably have picked a better venue for it too, one whose
> participants aren't presently being treated to an exhausting quantity
> of whack-job conspiracy theories every time they turn on the news.
> You'll find us predisposed to believe the peddler of a conspiracy
> theory to be a fool.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
> P.S. Ronald, I know you've been spoken to about ad hominem attacks.
> You could have stopped after the first two paragraphs and the link.
> Your screed and faux questions about what crooks you thought these
> folks to be added exactly nothing to the conversation you hoped to
> start.
>

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Elad Cohen]

Tom,

Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to 
Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my full 
right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here by his 
filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any of his 
defamation messages.

"No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which is 
following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not 
written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, 
Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description 
(lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture.

Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like.



From: Tom Beecher 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.

It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a 
topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old 
Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community.

As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter 
conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.


Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you 
are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect.

Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
facts and data?

Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own 
quotes right here in Nanog.

"If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are 
not the word of god and are not above law and justice.

To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy 
is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA 
(according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to 
AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each 
and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete 
a legacy netblock).

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html 
- "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."


Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
pressure" game.


I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based 
on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any 
network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but 
tomorrow it can be you.




From: NANOG 
mailto:netstyle...@nanog.org>> on 
behalf of William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:
> Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in 
> the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the 
> information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by 
> the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as 
> William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.

Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor?


>  legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald 
> Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can 
> explain that to me I will be thankful.
> Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless on

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Mel Beckman]

I’ve done the simple thing: I’ve blocked all emails with the keyword AFRINIC in 
them. I’m not willing to let my inbox be swamped with another deluge of “pore 
spilling” (whatever that is) vitriol.

 -mel beckman

On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Elad Cohen  wrote:


Tom,

Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to 
Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my full 
right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here by his 
filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any of his 
defamation messages.

"No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which is 
following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not 
written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, 
Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description 
(lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture.

Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like.



From: Tom Beecher 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.

It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a 
topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old 
Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community.

As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter 
conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.


Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you 
are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect.

Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
facts and data?

Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own 
quotes right here in Nanog.

"If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are 
not the word of god and are not above law and justice.

To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy 
is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA 
(according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to 
AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each 
and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete 
a legacy netblock).

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html 
- "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."


Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
pressure" game.


I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based 
on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any 
network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but 
tomorrow it can be you.




From: NANOG 
mailto:netstyle...@nanog.org>> on 
behalf of William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:
> Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in 
> the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the 
> information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by 
> the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as 
> William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.

Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor?

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Elad Cohen]

"Pore-spilling" is the daily care of Ronald to his filthy smelly rotten pores.

Ronald, please feel free to explain more.

From: Mel Beckman 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 5:17 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: Tom Beecher ; nanog@nanog.org ; 
adm...@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

I’ve done the simple thing: I’ve blocked all emails with the keyword AFRINIC in 
them. I’m not willing to let my inbox be swamped with another deluge of “pore 
spilling” (whatever that is) vitriol.

 -mel beckman

On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Elad Cohen  wrote:


Tom,

Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to 
Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my full 
right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here by his 
filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any of his 
defamation messages.

"No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which is 
following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not 
written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, 
Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description 
(lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture.

Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like.



From: Tom Beecher 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM
To: Elad Cohen 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.

It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a 
topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old 
Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community.

As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter 
conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:

If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.


Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you 
are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect.

Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
facts and data?

Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own 
quotes right here in Nanog.

"If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are 
not the word of god and are not above law and justice.

To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy 
is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA 
(according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to 
AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each 
and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete 
a legacy netblock).

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html 
- "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."


Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
pressure" game.


I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based 
on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any 
network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but 
tomorrow it can be you.




From: NANOG 
mailto:netstyle...@nanog.org>> on 
behalf of William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen 
mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote:
> Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in 
> the same 

RE: Re[2]: Disney+ Geolocation (again)

[Brian Turnbow via NANOG]

Hi Mike,

You may want to add
technical operations services team 
techops-servi...@disneystreaming.com

We wrote to the  distribution address and they replied forwarding it to services

Brian

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:25 PM
To: Jeff Mansukhani 
Cc: Nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Disney+ Geolocation (again)

I updated our page.  :-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Jeff Mansukhani" mailto:j...@mansukhani.net>>
To: "Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>, 
Nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:49:40 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Disney+ Geolocation (again)

Specifically for Network Operators, you may email
techops-distribut...@disneystreaming.com
 for technical issues relating
to Disney+.  Hope this helps.

Thanks

J

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Paul Nash]

If you don’t have  coherent argument, take Trump’s approach with an incoherent 
ad-hominem attack.

I have been filling this issue with a lot of interest, and to date you have 
offered no evidence of anything, apart from your ability to spew vitriol.



> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Elad Cohen  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to 
> Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my 
> full right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here 
> by his filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any 
> of his defamation messages.
> 
> "No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which 
> is following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not 
> written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, 
> Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description 
> (lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture.
> 
> Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like.
> 
> 
> From: Tom Beecher 
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM
> To: Elad Cohen 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org 
> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
>  
> I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
> list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.
> 
> It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a 
> topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old 
> Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community. 
> 
> As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter 
> conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too. 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> 
> If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
> better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.
> 
> 
> Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that 
> you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due 
> respect.
> 
> Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
> facts and data?
> 
> Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his 
> own quotes right here in Nanog.
> 
> "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, 
> are not the word of god and are not above law and justice.
> 
> To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
> AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
> was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
> AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC 
> policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed 
> RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction 
> to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
> https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on 
> each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just 
> delete a legacy netblock).
> 
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html
>  - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
> provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."
> 
> 
> Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
> approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
> unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
> writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
> pressure" game.
> 
> 
> I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not 
> based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. 
> Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
> enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me 
> but tomorrow it can be you.
> 
> 
> 
> From: NANOG  on behalf of William 
> Herrin 
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
>  
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen  wrote:
> > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> > directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, 
> > and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over 
> > in the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the 
> > information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected 
> > by the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as 
> > William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community.
> 
> Ugh. I don't suppose I can graceful

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Rob McEwen]

On 11/16/2020 9:54 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:
I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post 
to this list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.



+1

Several months ago, Elad Cohen went on record claiming that I was 
secretly "Rob Shultz" from Spamhaus - an outrageous lie. (Spamhaus is 
actually my competitor... and I've only ever known a few people there - 
and not even that well.) What I had to do to (somewhat!) clear my name - 
so that the average person who doesn't know me could tell with a high 
degree of certainty that Elad Cohen lies about me weren't true - took 
away many hours out of my life and got me in trouble with maawg for 
discussing too many details about the people at maawg events whom I had 
interacted with (to show that me and this other Rob couldn't possibly be 
the same person). Note that I barely know "Rob Shultz", and hadn't even 
heard of "Rob Shultz" until AFTER I saw Cohen's accusation. I don't 
think that "Rob Shultz" is a bad person at all - from what little I know 
about him - but these accusations could potentially cause 
frustration/confusion in the niche market served by both invaluement (my 
company) and Spamhaus. The way Elad Cohen pushes ludicrous/unfounded 
conspiracy theories that are easily proven false - makes me question his 
mental heath. Ironically, at the same time, I'm actually somewhat of an 
*EXTREMIST* when it comes to free-speech and the free flow of ideas. I 
absolutely hate it when others shut down opposing ideas due to being 
"offended". But what makes this case DIFFERENT - is that I draw a line 
at slander/libel. I gave Elad Cohen every opportunity to prove his 
accusations - and he wasn't able to. And, again, what I had to explain 
about my meetings with people (aka "witnesses") at maawg - to prove that 
Elad was lying - caused me irreparable damage with maawg. His 
slander/libel is damaging to others. He doesn't add any value (at least, 
none that I can find) - he only harms other people in malicous ways.


--
Rob McEwen, invaluement

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Valerie Wittkop]

NANOG Staff member that is granted the privilege of reading the list and 
ensuring all folks adhere to the Usage Guidelines 
 of the list here…

Note this thread is not in the spirit of the guidelines for operational and 
technical content discussion.  +1’s, here-here’s, and the back and forth 
mudslinging are not the type of lively discussions this list is in existence 
for.

If you feel this message is in error, please reach out to adm...@nanog.org 
 to discuss. This message is being sent based on 
guideline 15: The Mailing List is not an appropriate platform to resolve 
personal issues, engage in disputes, or file complaints.


Cheers,

Valerie

Valerie Wittkop - NANOG Program Director
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Tel: +1 866 902 1336, ext 103

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Rob McEwen  wrote:
> 
> On 11/16/2020 9:54 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:
>> I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
>> list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> Several months ago, Elad Cohen went on record claiming that I was secretly 
> "Rob Shultz" from Spamhaus - an outrageous lie. (Spamhaus is actually my 
> competitor... and I've only ever known a few people there - and not even that 
> well.) What I had to do to (somewhat!) clear my name - so that the average 
> person who doesn't know me could tell with a high degree of certainty that 
> Elad Cohen lies about me weren't true - took away many hours out of my life 
> and got me in trouble with maawg for discussing too many details about the 
> people at maawg events whom I had interacted with (to show that me and this 
> other Rob couldn't possibly be the same person). Note that I barely know "Rob 
> Shultz", and hadn't even heard of "Rob Shultz" until AFTER I saw Cohen's 
> accusation. I don't think that "Rob Shultz" is a bad person at all - from 
> what little I know about him - but these accusations could potentially cause 
> frustration/confusion in the niche market served by both invaluement (my 
> company) and Spamhaus. The way Elad Cohen pushes ludicrous/unfounded 
> conspiracy theories that are easily proven false - makes me question his 
> mental heath. Ironically, at the same time, I'm actually somewhat of an 
> *EXTREMIST* when it comes to free-speech and the free flow of ideas. I 
> absolutely hate it when others shut down opposing ideas due to being 
> "offended". But what makes this case DIFFERENT - is that I draw a line at 
> slander/libel. I gave Elad Cohen every opportunity to prove his accusations - 
> and he wasn't able to. And, again, what I had to explain about my meetings 
> with people (aka "witnesses") at maawg - to prove that Elad was lying - 
> caused me irreparable damage with maawg. His slander/libel is damaging to 
> others. He doesn't add any value (at least, none that I can find) - he only 
> harms other people in malicous ways.
> 
> -- 
> Rob McEwen, invaluement
> 

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[James R Cutler]

DELIBERATE TOP POST

It would be helpful to the NANOG list if posters could try to follow posting 
guidelines and discuss technical (not personal) topics.

James R. Cutler
james.cut...@consultant.com
GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net



> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Elad Cohen  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to 
> Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my 
> full right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here 
> by his filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any 
> of his defamation messages.
> 
> "No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which 
> is following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not 
> written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, 
> Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description 
> (lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture.
> 
> Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like.
> 
> 
> From: Tom Beecher mailto:beec...@beecher.cc>>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM
> To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org   >; adm...@nanog.org  
> mailto:adm...@nanog.org>>
> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
>  
> I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this 
> list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed.
> 
> It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a 
> topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old 
> Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community. 
> 
> As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter 
> conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too. 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen  > wrote:
> 
> If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot 
> better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument.
> 
> 
> Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that 
> you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due 
> respect.
> 
> Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
> facts and data?
> 
> Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his 
> own quotes right here in Nanog.
> 
> "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, 
> are not the word of god and are not above law and justice.
> 
> To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And 
> AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I 
> was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And 
> AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC 
> policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed 
> RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction 
> to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: 
> https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource 
>  ), it have implications on 
> each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just 
> delete a legacy netblock).
> 
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html
>  
> 
>  - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are 
> provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership."
> 
> 
> Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, 
> approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and 
> unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while 
> writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community 
> pressure" game.
> 
> 
> I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not 
> based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. 
> Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like 
> enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me 
> but tomorrow it can be you.
> 
> 
> 
> From: NANOG  > on behalf of William Herrin  >
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org   >
> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
>  
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen  > wrote:
> > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me 
> > directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intent

Re: PeeringDB Satisfaction Survey open now til November 20th

[Steve McManus]

We're still looking for more responses to the PeeringDB survey. Most people 
took about 2-3 minutes to fill it in, so it's pretty short. Please give us your 
feedback if you have a moment:

 https://surveyhero.com/c/f7be5236  

-Steve

> On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steve McManus  wrote:
> 
> PeeringDB is a non-profit, freely available, user-maintained, database of 
> networks, and the go-to location for interconnection data. The database 
> facilitates the global interconnection of networks at Internet Exchange 
> Points (IXPs), data centers, and other interconnection facilities, and is the 
> first stop in making interconnection decisions.
> 
> We want input from network operators, exchange operators, facility providers, 
> content distributors and anyone who uses our interconnection database. This 
> year we are running an anonymous satisfaction survey in addition to the usual 
> feedback gathering we employ.
> 
> The survey will be available here: 
>  https://surveyhero.com/c/f7be5236  
> 
> until 23:59 UTC on 20 November 2020.
> 
> We would like your feedback to help us make PeeringDB more useful to everyone 
> involved in connecting networks.This survey will help us understand what is 
> important to you and how satisfied you are with what we are doing. We will 
> use your responses to focus our product roadmap on the improvements that will 
> make things better for you. If you have specific comments or suggestions, 
> we’d love you to leave them along with your ratings.
> 
> This is the first survey we are making available in multiple languages. In 
> this survey we are using the six UN languages for the questions. That said, 
> we’re happy with people providing free text comments in another whichever 
> language they are happiest expressing themselves.
> 
> We’ll share the results and the new product roadmap early in 2021.
> 
> Steve McManus on behalf of PeeringDB Product Committee

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[scott weeks]

On 11/15/20 8:57 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:

That's it...

-


I find it strange that you ignored the exact same message at AfNOG
sent several minutes earlier, yet try to save your 'reputation' here.
I also note that after Ronald's email at AfNOG there was exactly zero
discussion by anyone on that list.

scott

Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

[Kate Gerry]

An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's 
vendors.

PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received no 
response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on 
the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.

What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without 
passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.

—
Kate

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson  wrote:
> 
> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went 
> with Digital Realty Phoenix
>  
>  
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Kate 
> Gerry
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
> To: Matt Hoppes 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list 
> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>  
> Matt,
>  
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on 
> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join 
> Phoenix-IX.
>  
> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one 
> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net  but it is 
> only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and 
> footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>  
> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody 
> appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a 
> lack of response.
>  
> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard 
> anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those 
> have a local staff?
>  
> —
> Kate
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes  > wrote:
>  
> How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
> 
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> 
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any 
> one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor 
> 
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the 
> concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be 
> suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for 
> example).
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry   >> wrote:
>Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>back and forth to Phoenix.
>--
>Kate
> 
>On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett      >> 
> wrote:
> 
>Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
> 
> 
> 
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions  >
> >  
> >  
> >  >
>Midwest Internet Exchange  >
> >  
> >  >
>The Brothers WISP  >
> >  >
>
>*From:*"Kate Gerry" mailto:kge...@outlook.com 
> >>
>*To:*"Bill Woodcock" mailto:wo...@pch.net 
> >>
>*Cc:*nanog@nanog.org >
>*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
> 
>Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
> 
>Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
> 
>--
>Kate
> 
>On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kat

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Sabri Berisha]

- On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Matt Corallo na...@as397444.net wrote:

> Has anyone else experienced issues where Telia won't withdraw (though will
> happily accept an overriding) prefixes for the past week, at least?

I have seen issues like this in a network that I operated. In that particular
case, it was an internal ipv4 10/8 route which was withdrawn, along with a
few hundred other routes. The withdrawl was configured on a DC exit router,
in a Clos network with leaf, spine, and superspine. On the spine layer, I
observed that BGP withdrawls, although being received, were not processed
by the control plane. 

Further investigation and working with the TAC of the vendor, revealed that
on that particular platform, the BGP process would stop process withdrawls
in a very nasty race condition that was very difficult to reproduce.

This was the first (and so far only) time in my 20+ years of working with
BGP that I've observed such a weird bug. Since I operated the entire 
network, it was fairly easy to find the culprit. The why, took some more 
time.

If I were in your shoes, I'd ping Telia's NOC to see what's going on. I
would not be surprised if they'd be hitting a similar issue.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

[Neil Hanlon]

While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project without
passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation we don't
know all the details?

2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and whomever
else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to things this year
beyond their control which led them to be unable to work on the project and
unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious surely.

If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path
forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the
IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the
beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So:
Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.

--
Neil

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry  wrote:

> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
> Phoenix-IX's vendors.
>
> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have
> received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I
> feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
>
> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without
> passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.
>
> —
> Kate
>
> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson  wrote:
>
> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them,
> went with Digital Realty Phoenix
>
>
> *From:* NANOG  *On Behalf
> Of *Kate Gerry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes 
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org list 
> *Subject:* Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
> Matt,
>
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on
> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join
> Phoenix-IX.
>
> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one
> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net but it is only in a single
> facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on
> Phoenix-IX.
>
> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody
> appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in
> a lack of response.
>
> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't
> heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do
> those have a local staff?
>
> —
> Kate
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having
> any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include
> the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be
> suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for
> example).
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry  > wrote:
>Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>back and forth to Phoenix.
>--
>Kate
>
>On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett  mailto:na...@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>
>Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
>
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>Midwest Internet Exchange 
><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>The Brothers WISP 
><
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
>*From:*"Kate Gerry" mailto:kge...@outlook.com>>
>*To:*"Bill Woodcock" mailto:wo...@pch.net>>
>*Cc:*nanog@nanog.org 
>*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>
>Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
>
>Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
>
>--
>Kate
>
>  

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Matt Corallo]

See my latest response from this morning. Telia's "Head of Network Engineering & Architecture" confirmed on Twitter this 
was due to a (now-worked-around) bug in JunOS.


https://twitter.com/gustawsson/status/1328298914785730561

Matt

On 11/16/20 2:13 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:

- On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Matt Corallo na...@as397444.net wrote:


Has anyone else experienced issues where Telia won't withdraw (though will
happily accept an overriding) prefixes for the past week, at least?


I have seen issues like this in a network that I operated. In that particular
case, it was an internal ipv4 10/8 route which was withdrawn, along with a
few hundred other routes. The withdrawl was configured on a DC exit router,
in a Clos network with leaf, spine, and superspine. On the spine layer, I
observed that BGP withdrawls, although being received, were not processed
by the control plane.

Further investigation and working with the TAC of the vendor, revealed that
on that particular platform, the BGP process would stop process withdrawls
in a very nasty race condition that was very difficult to reproduce.

This was the first (and so far only) time in my 20+ years of working with
BGP that I've observed such a weird bug. Since I operated the entire
network, it was fairly easy to find the culprit. The why, took some more
time.

If I were in your shoes, I'd ping Telia's NOC to see what's going on. I
would not be surprised if they'd be hitting a similar issue.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

[Kate Gerry]

Great news! Paul is attempting to respond! His email, including NANOG bounce is 
included below.

Paul, thanks for reaching out!

—
Kate

##
> On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:32, Paul Emmons  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to blast everyone that posted,  But I guess I am still awaiting 
> moderator approval to post.
> 
> Your mail to 'NANOG' with the subject
> 
> Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
> Post to moderated list
> I swear everytime I try to do something about the IX it gets . . .  squashed.
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:03:58 -0700
> From: Paul Emmons  
> 
> To:   nanog@nanog.org 
> 
> Hello All!
> 
> I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.
> 
> There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects.  But that 
> hasn't worked out for the IX.  
> 
> I  have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and voip. 
>  Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.
> 
> I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help get 
> the project back up to where it needs to be.
> 
> If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have something 
> urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via the Phoenix-IX 
> Contacts
> 
> peer...@phoenix-ix.net 
> +1 602 688-6414
> 
> ~Paul Emmons


###

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:23, Neil Hanlon  wrote:
> 
> While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project without 
> passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation we don't know 
> all the details?
> 
> 2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and whomever else 
> may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to things this year beyond 
> their control which led them to be unable to work on the project and unable 
> to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious surely.
> 
> If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path 
> forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the IX... 
> maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the beginning of 
> this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_ them... Maybe this 
> can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So: Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG 
> community know how they/we can help.
> 
> --
> Neil
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry  > wrote:
> An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's 
> vendors.
> 
> PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received 
> no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like 
> I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.
> 
> What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without 
> passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.
> 
> —
> Kate
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson > > wrote:
>> 
>> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went 
>> with Digital Realty Phoenix
>>  
>>  
>> From: NANOG > > On Behalf Of Kate Gerry
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
>> To: Matt Hoppes > >
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org  list > >
>> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>>  
>> Matt,
>>  
>> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on 
>> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join 
>> Phoenix-IX.
>>  
>> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one 
>> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net  but it is 
>> only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and 
>> footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>>  
>> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody 
>> appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in 
>> a lack of response.
>>  
>> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard 
>> anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those 
>> have a local staff?
>>  
>> —
>> Kate
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes > > wrote:
>>  
>> How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
>> 
>> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>> 
>> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any 
>> one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor 
>> 
>> Disaster recovery and c

ATT Contact for DDoS?

[Sajan Parikh]

Trying to figure out whom to escalate to with ATT to help with a DDoS attack 
for a network, we are trying to help out.

RTBH is not sufficient because they are hitting a large swath of IPs out of the 
prefixes advertised, and the targets are moving.  The network AS itself is the 
attack target.

I'd heard of other operators working with their transit provider's 
Cybersecurity NOC to filter traffic outside of the US.

Does anyone have a good ATT contact for this?


Sajan Parikh

sa...@parikh.io

262.343.5973

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Sabri Berisha]

- On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Matt Corallo na...@as397444.net wrote:

Hi,

> See my latest response from this morning. Telia's "Head of Network 
> Engineering &
> Architecture" confirmed on Twitter this
> was due to a (now-worked-around) bug in JunOS.
> 
> https://twitter.com/gustawsson/status/1328298914785730561

Interesting. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, where I was a JTAC 
engineer,
policy was that once a PR was hit in the field, it would be marked public.

Also, in the case that I described it wasn't a Junos device. Makes me wonder 
how bugs
like that get introduced. One would expect that after 20+ years of writing BGP 
code,
handling a withdrawl would be easy-peasy.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 17:36:58 -0800, Sabri Berisha said:

> Also, in the case that I described it wasn't a Junos device. Makes me wonder 
> how bugs
> like that get introduced. One would expect that after 20+ years of writing 
> BGP code,
> handling a withdrawl would be easy-peasy.

Handling a withdrawal is easy.

Handling one correctly without race conditions when you're seeing withdrawals
and additions from multiple bgp sessions concurrently, while also maintaining
RIB and FIB consistency and keep forwarding customer packets is a little bit 
harder.


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Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:22:33 +, Elad Cohen said:

> Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
> facts and data?

OK.. I'll probably end up regretting this, but...

Is there any actual independently verifiable proof that legal proceeding have 
been started?


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Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Neil Hanlon]

Surely they can just put them in an array.

;)


On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 21:54 Valdis Klētnieks 
wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 17:36:58 -0800, Sabri Berisha said:
>
> > Also, in the case that I described it wasn't a Junos device. Makes me
> wonder how bugs
> > like that get introduced. One would expect that after 20+ years of
> writing BGP code,
> > handling a withdrawl would be easy-peasy.
>
> Handling a withdrawal is easy.
>
> Handling one correctly without race conditions when you're seeing
> withdrawals
> and additions from multiple bgp sessions concurrently, while also
> maintaining
> RIB and FIB consistency and keep forwarding customer packets is a little
> bit harder.
>

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

[Saku Ytti]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 03:40, Sabri Berisha  wrote:

Hey Sabri,

> Also, in the case that I described it wasn't a Junos device. Makes me wonder 
> how bugs
> like that get introduced. One would expect that after 20+ years of writing 
> BGP code,
> handling a withdrawl would be easy-peasy.

I don't think this is related to skill, that there was some hard
programming problem that DE couldn't solve. These are honest mistakes.
I've not experienced in my tenure the frequency of these bugs change
at all, NOS are as common now as they were in the 90s.

I put most of the blame on the market, we've modelled commercial
router market so that poor quality NOS is good for business and good
quality NOS is bad for business, I don't think this is in anyone's
formal business plan or that companies even realise they are not even
trying to make good NOS. I think it's emergent behaviour due to the
market and people follow that market demand unknowingly.
If we suddenly had one commercial NOS which is 100% bug free, many of
their customers would stop buying support, would rely on spare HW and
Internet forums for configuration help. Lot of us only need contracts
to deal with novel bugs all of us find on a regular basis, so good NOS
would immediately reduce revenue. For some reason Windows, macOS or
Linux almost never have novel bugs that the end user finds and when
those are found, it's big news. While we don't go a month without
hitting a novel bug in one of our NOS, and no one cares about it, it's
business as usual.

I also put a lot of blame on C, it was a terrific language when
compiling had to be fast. Basically macro assembler. Now the utility
of being 'close to HW' is gone, as the CPU does so much C compiler has
no control over, it's not really even executing the same code
as-written anymore. MSFT estimated >70% of their bugs are related to
memory safety. We could accomplish significant improvements in
software quality if we'd ditch C and allow the computer to do more
formal correctness checks at compile time and design languages which
lend towards this.


We constantly misattribute problems (like in this post) to config or
HW, while most common reasons for outages are pilot error and SW
defect, and very little engineering time is spent on those. And often
the time spent improving the two first increases the risk of the two
latter, reducing mean availability over time.


-- 
  ++ytti

Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!

[Mark Tinka]

I'm not generally into conspiracy, but as I keep trying to work out the 
issue I described in this thread, I came across this:


    https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

Might explain quite a lot, actually, (particularly at the FAQ section 
under "When did this start?") and why it feels like macOS has taken a 
huge dive (that I couldn't explain) since Mojave.


I still have High Sierra installed on my 2017 15-inch Mac, and will 
likely keep it that way forever... if for nothing else, but as a 
reference of what once was.


Staying away from Big Sur for as long as I can.

Mark.

Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!

[Saku Ytti]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 09:17, Mark Tinka  wrote:

> https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

I am not trying to make any argument, just wanted to add context.

-- 
  ++ytti

Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/17/20 09:26, Saku Ytti wrote:


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491
I am not trying to make any argument, just wanted to add context.


Yes, saw that too, and that post by Apple is also highlighted (and 
explained) in the same report.


The Gatekeeper OCSP checks remain unencrypted.

It still leave two glaring issues:

 * Apple are still not saying anything about their OS apps bypassing
   local firewalls and leaking our IP address and location past any
   VPN's we may be running on Big Sur.

 * The backdoor in iMessage's encryption that allows Apple and other
   "interested parties" to view our iMessage texts.

Mark.