Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Tom Beecher]

It's likely worth noting that this specific test was of IPAWS (Integrated
Public Alert and Warning System), a system designed to integrate the
Emergency Alert System, National Warning System, Wireless Emergency Alerts,
and NOAA Weather Alerts.

It's not intended to be cell phone only or replace anything; it's intended
to unify all the pre-existing methods together. This was just the first
time cell phones were included in a nationwide test.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:15 AM Naslund, Steve 
wrote:

> I agree 100% and also have noticed that severe weather systems tend to
> more severe in rural areas due to either open spaces (the plains) or trees
> (forested areas) doing more damage.  I can tell you from living the in
> Midwest that the storms in Iowa and Nebraska are way worse than the ones
> that hit Chicago.  A weather guy I know told me it has something to do with
> convective heat rising from major cities which is why you rarely see
> tornados hitting downtown Chicago and New York.  I have noticed that for
> some reason local weather alerts seem to be more reliable than the national
> level tests on cellular.  Don't know if it has to do with shear volume or
> what.  Also, like I said earlier in rural areas you are less likely to run
> into a bystander that knows what is going on.
>
> Steven Naslund
> Chicago IL
>
>
> >How quickly we forget.  Puerto Rico's catastrophe was only a year ago.
> >Per capita fatalities in rural areas are usually higher than cities after
> >a disaster.  Telecommunications are even more important in rural areas
> >because you have fewer disaster response resources than in cities.
> >Rural areas receive warnings later, have fewer emergency responders,
> fewer
> >advanced trauma hospitals. There are more neighbors helping neighbors in
> >cities, and more potential sources of help in densely populated areas.
> >
> >Telecommunication providers are less likely to spend money hardening
> >infrastructure in rural areas, because there is less business.  Its easy
> >to find alternative telecommunications in New York City. Its hard to find
> >backup telecommunications in Idaho.
> >
> >A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and
> >rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there
> >are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for
> >broadcasters, you end up with communication blackouts like in Puerto Rico
> >for months.
>
>

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Naslund, Steve]

I agree 100% and also have noticed that severe weather systems tend to more 
severe in rural areas due to either open spaces (the plains) or trees (forested 
areas) doing more damage.  I can tell you from living the in Midwest that the 
storms in Iowa and Nebraska are way worse than the ones that hit Chicago.  A 
weather guy I know told me it has something to do with convective heat rising 
from major cities which is why you rarely see tornados hitting downtown Chicago 
and New York.  I have noticed that for some reason local weather alerts seem to 
be more reliable than the national level tests on cellular.  Don't know if it 
has to do with shear volume or what.  Also, like I said earlier in rural areas 
you are less likely to run into a bystander that knows what is going on.

Steven Naslund 
Chicago IL


>How quickly we forget.  Puerto Rico's catastrophe was only a year ago. 
>Per capita fatalities in rural areas are usually higher than cities after 
>a disaster.  Telecommunications are even more important in rural areas 
>because you have fewer disaster response resources than in cities.
>Rural areas receive warnings later, have fewer emergency responders, fewer 
>advanced trauma hospitals. There are more neighbors helping neighbors in 
>cities, and more potential sources of help in densely populated areas.
>
>Telecommunication providers are less likely to spend money hardening
>infrastructure in rural areas, because there is less business.  Its easy 
>to find alternative telecommunications in New York City. Its hard to find 
>backup telecommunications in Idaho.
>
>A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and 
>rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there 
>are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for 
>broadcasters, you end up with communication blackouts like in Puerto Rico 
>for months.

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Naslund, Steve]

I am wondering if this seems common to most of you on here.  In my area it 
seems that all cellular sites have backup generators and battery backup.  Seems 
like the biggest issues we see are devices remote from the central offices that 
lose power and cause disruptions, like RSTs and SLCs.  During hurricane Katrina 
we saw a lot of active outside plant devices underwater and that caused lots of 
disruption even when the CO survived.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL

 >On October 8, 2018 at 16:37 s...@donelan.com (Sean Donelan) wrote:
 > A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and 
 > rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there 
 > are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for 
 > broadcasters, you end up with communication blackouts like in Puerto Rico 
 > for months.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Andy Brezinsky]

The challenging part for government is creating a public warning 
system inexpensive enough, its available to everyone, not just people 
who can afford private airplanes.


We could use the one that was already built for this: The NOAA All 
Hazards radio network (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/).  It uses 7 
nationwide frequencies and 1025 radio transmitters to cover 95% of the US.


It costs around $20 for a basic receiver.  A car could easily just 
listen to the 7 frequencies and wait for the alert tones.  If you want 
to get fancy you could overlay GPS to detect the county and use that to 
filter the alerts to the county you're currently in.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, Scott Weeks wrote:

--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth 

Yeah, this thread is getting somewhat removed from the
original question, so what the heck.  I’ve often thought
that vehicle radios should have a location-based weather
radio built in
---
This is coming.  See IETF's ipwave.


Your radio could pickup information that's being broadcast all the time. 
If your car has a builtin navigation systems (figuring out its location is 
the hard part for the radio -- cell phones already have geolocation 
builtin), HD radio stations send a lot of digital information in the 
subcarriers.


https://github.com/KYDronePilot/hdfm

hdfm displays weather and traffic maps received from iHeartRadio HD radio 
stations. It relies on nrsc5 to decode and dump the radio station data for 
it to process and display.



Likewise, SiriusXM satellite data services has advanced digital data 
weather feeds as part of its aviation packages. You could install it in 
your car instead of your airplane. If you can afford a private airplane, 
you can afford the SiriusXM aviation subscription cost.


The challenging part for government is creating a public warning system 
inexpensive enough, its available to everyone, not just people who can 
afford private airplanes.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:

Sure--I totally agree.  But we don't build smoke detectors into our
cell phones because that's not a very good use case.  And I'm not
aware of weather alerts being broadcast to cell phones without having
an app installed, and it's unreliable.  (Although some already have
AM/FM radios in them...)


Since 2011, WEA has been used for over 30,000 weather alerts including 
tsunami, tornado, extreme wind, hurricane & typhoons.  Unless you turn 
alerts off on your cell phone. iPhone 5 (iOS 6 and later) includes WEA.


https://www.weather.gov/wrn/wea

Weather alerts are the largest catagory of Wireless Emergency Alerts on 
cell  phones. However, WEA is only used for the most severe weather 
alerts.  WEA is built into most smart cell phones, and overcomes the 
congestion issues with text based Apps on cell phones.


And we come full circle.  No single warning system works for everything. 
That's why its important to have multiple warning systems or warning 
communication channels.




Amazon Alexa is ahead of Google Assistant with weather warnings.  Alexa 
won't proactively warn you about tornados. But if you ask "Alexa, What's 
the weather?" Alexa will tell you when there is a tornado warning in your
area at that moment. Google Assistant only tells you the forecast, not 
information about active tornado warnings in your area.


Siri and Cortana are very far behind both Amazon and Google.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

Related:

Handy - I have two little boxes I bought at radio shack many years
ago. One converts from the car lighter plug (or whatever they call it
these days) to a three-prong (5-15R, ok?), the other converts from a
regular 120V house plug to a "12V car lighter" which actually was very
handy once when a house guest forgot their phone wall charger but had
their car charger so I noticed was sitting in the yard with their car
running charging their phone and I said "I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT!"

I believe the key word is "inverter". I can't imagine they're much
more than $20 each.

With a long extension cord it means even w/o a generator you can run
or charge some small things off your car even if that was never the
plan.

-- 
-Barry Shein

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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Brian Kantor]

Many of those lightweight UPS units have a very small battery in
them and are really designed to 1) carry the computer across a power
flicker, or 2) provide a few minutes to shut down the computer in
a controlled manner.

Units with much bigger batteries to last a day are much more expensive
and much heavier.

If you're thinking of investing in one, download the manual and
take a look at the runtime-vs-load chart.  I believe you'll be
disappointed.  I was.
- Brian


On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 02:50:10PM -0400, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> 
> A good home investment people don't immediately think of (I'm sure
> some here have) is one of those inexpensive computer UPS's.  An
> off-the-shelf 1500VA is usually under $200 or thereabouts.
> 
> One can run anything off one, like a radio or lamp. Not a lot but I'd
> imagine 1500VA would keep a small radio and 6W LED 100W equivalent
> lumens running for 24 hours? Probably more. And it'll recharge phones,
> batteries, etc.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

A good home investment people don't immediately think of (I'm sure
some here have) is one of those inexpensive computer UPS's.  An
off-the-shelf 1500VA is usually under $200 or thereabouts.

One can run anything off one, like a radio or lamp. Not a lot but I'd
imagine 1500VA would keep a small radio and 6W LED 100W equivalent
lumens running for 24 hours? Probably more. And it'll recharge phones,
batteries, etc.

I run my big screen TV through one not so much for emergency backup
per se but more for when they bounce the power up and down
occasionally which I figure can't be good for it. But in a lengthy
power outage I've shut that TV off and used it for other things I
mention, there it was ready to go.

For example it wouldn't be a bad holiday gift for an elderly or stupid
person you know (OH DON'T REACT!) who wouldn't ever think of such a
thing.

Particularly if you set it up for them and showed them it's just
receptacles pointing out those backed up and those not and how you
should otherwise always leave it plugged and charging. Anything can be
plugged in tho probably not the fridge (i.e., only small things.) And
it can be carried around the house if needed (e.g., to the bedroom for
a light.)

-- 
-Barry Shein

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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG  said:
> And I'm not
> aware of weather alerts being broadcast to cell phones without having
> an app installed, and it's unreliable.

The same part of the phone that was used for the Presidential Alert can
also be used for weather alerts (it is used some around here, but don't
know how reliably).

> *wonders what smoke alarm coverage is*

Isn't that part of building code for all new houses for at least 10
years?  I think it is where I live.

> The only down-side I see to that is that my assistant products lose
> power immediately when the grid fails.  My smoke alarm is wired, but
> it has a battery backup.

So power your assistant from an UPS... maybe with a PoE splitter (since
low-voltage Cat5 is easier to run)?
-- 
Chris Adams 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Scott Weeks]

--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth 

Yeah, this thread is getting somewhat removed from the 
original question, so what the heck.  I’ve often thought 
that vehicle radios should have a location-based weather 
radio built in
---


This is coming.  See IETF's ipwave.

https://www.ietfjournal.org/vehicular-networks-are-expected-to-save-lives-but-carry-privacy-risks/

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ipwave/documents/

scott

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG]

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:19 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:
> A company already made a combination smoke alarm/weather radio.
> Halo Smart Labs went out of business earlier this year.
> https://www.smartthings.com/products/halo-smart-labs-halo-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-plus-weather-alerts

*click*
*buy*

Thanks for the link. :)


> A $120+ niche silicon valley product is great for the nerds. Whats the
> business case for everyone else?

I know plenty of non-nerds that live in tornado and hurricane-prone
locations in the US that could also use a nice fire alarm/CO detector
in their house.

> What's the business case for reaching 126 million households, with a
> product that is afforable or already part of something they already have.

Sure--I totally agree.  But we don't build smoke detectors into our
cell phones because that's not a very good use case.  And I'm not
aware of weather alerts being broadcast to cell phones without having
an app installed, and it's unreliable.  (Although some already have
AM/FM radios in them...)



> More people own Amazon smart speakers than NEST thermostats.  Amazon
> product people have told me there is no demand for emergency alerts in its
> Alexa product.
>
> Likewise, I've asked Google developers.  They said the same thing about
> adding emergency alerts to their Google assistant product.

Maybe so.  I never received a survey.  Sounds like they just aren't
interested in developing a 'boring' feature.

> Fewer than 5% of households buy weather radios.

That's...surprising to me.  Any chance the majority of those 5% are in
hurricane or tornado areas?

*wonders what smoke alarm coverage is*

> If you know that Google or Amazon plan to add emergency alerts to its
> smart assistant products, that would be great news.  But so far, their
> product people have been very clear, they see no business case for
> supporting government emergency alerts on their "smart" products.

The only down-side I see to that is that my assistant products lose
power immediately when the grid fails.  My smoke alarm is wired, but
it has a battery backup.

Thanks for the info.

-A

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Andy Ringsmuth]

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps I'm the only one who would spend more than $50 on a weather
>> alert device?
> 
> Fewer than 5% of households buy weather radios.
> 
> WEA can reach over 60% of households with cell phones. Its not 100%.
> 
> Yes, 5% of households are willing to spend $50 on a weather radio.  How to 
> reach more than 5%?
> 


I’ll chime in again as I’m the original poster for this whole thread (and no 
I’m not with the FCC or FEMA or anything else, just an average network guy like 
the rest of us).

My weather alert radio did not activate during this test last week. I don’t 
know if it was supposed to or not, but it certainly does go crazy any time 
there’s a weather warning issued and for the weekly tests.

Yeah, this thread is getting somewhat removed from the original question, so 
what the heck.  I’ve often thought that vehicle radios should have a 
location-based weather radio built in, just like the location-based regular 
weather radios you can buy. If I’m traveling in an unfamiliar city and the 
weather is looking dicey, I won’t have any idea what AM station to turn on. Or 
if I’m on some 2-lane highway in Nowhere, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. Heck, I 
submitted that idea to a couple aftermarket car stereo manufacturers years ago 
but was met with crickets.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:

Google solved these problems with ~$120 smoke alarm and a decent cell phone app.
If they released a new version with weather alerts, I wouldn't think
twice about dropping $200 on it.


A company already made a combination smoke alarm/weather radio.
Halo Smart Labs went out of business earlier this year.
https://www.smartthings.com/products/halo-smart-labs-halo-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-plus-weather-alerts

A $120+ niche silicon valley product is great for the nerds. Whats the 
business case for everyone else?


What's the business case for reaching 126 million households, with a 
product that is afforable or already part of something they already have.




So how is there no business case?  No disrespect intended, but you
failed to back up that statement.


More people own Amazon smart speakers than NEST thermostats.  Amazon 
product people have told me there is no demand for emergency alerts in its 
Alexa product.


Likewise, I've asked Google developers.  They said the same thing about 
adding emergency alerts to their Google assistant product.




Perhaps I'm the only one who would spend more than $50 on a weather
alert device?


Fewer than 5% of households buy weather radios.

WEA can reach over 60% of households with cell phones. Its not 100%.

Yes, 5% of households are willing to spend $50 on a weather radio.  How to 
reach more than 5%?



If you know that Google or Amazon plan to add emergency alerts to its 
smart assistant products, that would be great news.  But so far, their 
product people have been very clear, they see no business case for 
supporting government emergency alerts on their "smart" products.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG]

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:54 AM Sean Donelan  wrote:
> There is no business case for Amazon, Apple or Google to include emergency
> alerts as part of their smart speakers.

I have a $50 weather alert radio.
Does it have have batteries?  Are they charged?  Are they almost dead?
 When did I last hear an alert from it?
Does your smoke alarm have batteries?  Are they dead?  When did you
last test it?

Google solved these problems with ~$120 smoke alarm and a decent cell phone app.
If they released a new version with weather alerts, I wouldn't think
twice about dropping $200 on it.

So how is there no business case?  No disrespect intended, but you
failed to back up that statement.

Perhaps I'm the only one who would spend more than $50 on a weather
alert device?

-A

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

On October 8, 2018 at 16:37 s...@donelan.com (Sean Donelan) wrote:
 > A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and 
 > rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there 
 > are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for 
 > broadcasters, you end up with communication blackouts like in Puerto Rico 
 > for months.

Which is why it's more relevant to this list than some were grousing
since people here are often the ones keeping the infrastructure this
has to travel on running.

The US govt should pay us all to discuss this!

-- 
-Barry Shein

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RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:

I suppose since every life is precious one can measure the
effectiveness based on "land mass" but then one wonders if some sheep
out in a field in Idaho really care that the US was just invaded...put
better: You do what you can!


How quickly we forget.  Puerto Rico's catastrophe was only a year ago. 
Per capita fatalities in rural areas are usually higher than cities after 
a disaster.  Telecommunications are even more important in rural areas 
because you have fewer disaster response resources than in cities.
Rural areas receive warnings later, have fewer emergency responders, fewer 
advanced trauma hospitals. There are more neighbors helping neighbors in 
cities, and more potential sources of help in densely populated areas.


Telecommunication providers are less likely to spend money hardening
infrastructure in rural areas, because there is less business.  Its easy 
to find alternative telecommunications in New York City. Its hard to find 
backup telecommunications in Idaho.


A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and 
rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there 
are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for 
broadcasters, you end up with communication blackouts like in Puerto Rico 
for months.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Nate Metheny]

Just as a small point of contention, if you lose the bread basket and 
the agricultural industries, you might as well have never received an 
emergency alert in a city where the supplies and fresh food will run out 
and people will be fighting and killing each other for a Snickers bar.


No good saving millions of people if you can't feed more than thousands.

Just my $.02. :)

On 10/08/2018 12:42 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:

I suppose since every life is precious one can measure the
effectiveness based on "land mass" but then one wonders if some sheep
out in a field in Idaho really care that the US was just invaded...put
better: You do what you can!


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RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

On October 8, 2018 at 03:37 snasl...@medline.com (Naslund, Steve) wrote:

 > A few cases come to mind.  I also think there are lots of alerts
 > that will not send people screaming into the streets.  9/11 did not
 > really have that effect in most places and it took quite some time
 > for word to spread to people who did not have full time media
 > access.  You also have to account for non-urban areas (the majority
 > of our land mass).  In a lot of this country you might not see
 > anyone other than the ones you live with for many hours or days at
 > a time.

9/11 literally did send people out into the streets screaming.

Even nationwide skyscrapers were evacuated in some cities. In Chicago
Sears tower (and I believe the Amoco tower according to some
eyewitnesses) were evacuated at about 10AM. So was the IDS tower in
Minneapolis (57 stories, tallest in the city.)

The White House and Capitol building were evacuated a little earlier,
about 9:30AM. And the UN in NYC.

At about 10:45AM NYC mayor Rudi Giuliani ordered the total evacuation
of all of Lower Manhattan.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

The article below lists the evacuations of the Coca-Cola and BellSouth
buildings, CNN center in Atlanta. And several more in Los Angeles
(Citibank tower etc.)

Well, read the article, Detroit, the Grand Coulee Dam, etc.

  http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/11/news/ss-44625

I suppose one can go back to the phrase "most places", sure, MOST
places even in western Europe weren't bombed in WWII or even affected
physically (i.e., by ordnance of any sort.)

P.S. Over 80% of the US population is urban.

I suppose since every life is precious one can measure the
effectiveness based on "land mass" but then one wonders if some sheep
out in a field in Idaho really care that the US was just invaded...put
better: You do what you can!

-- 
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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:

Since there isn't infinite money to build a system that will reach *everybody*,
the only reasonable approach is to cobble together a set of overlapping systems
on existing technology that covers the most people while staying inside the
funding restrictions.


There is also the circular logic of budget cutting.

1. We don't need to fund outdoor sirens, becuase we have E.A.S. on 
radio/TV/cable.

2. We don't need E.A.S. because we have NOAA weather radio.
3. We don't need NWR because we have Wireless Emergencey Alerts.
4. We don't need WEA, because we have outdoor sirens.
5. Goto 1

There is no business case for Amazon, Apple or Google to include emergency 
alerts as part of their smart speakers.


The majority of cities did not repair/replace their outdoor civil defense 
sirens when they reached their 40-year lifespan in the 1990s.  Tornado 
Alley likely still has the most working outdoor sirens, but even in that 
part of the country a majority of cities saved money by not maintaining 
them. An average outdoor siren costs $25,000 installation, $1,000/year 
maintenance and only covers 1/2-mile radius -- outdoors. In most places, 
an outdoor siren won't wake you up indoors.


This year's federal budget proposed cutting 20% of NOAA weather readio 
transmitters to save money. Fewer than 5% of households buy weather 
radios.


Although FCC and FEMA help standardize national disaster response systems, 
such as 9-1-1, E.A.S. and W.E.A, essentially 100% use of those systems is 
for local disasters and emergencies. It makes sense for some national 
consistency for things like stop signs and emergency alerts and 9-1-1. 
People travel and work in other cities, and aren't ready for lots of local 
variations during emergencies.


Since 2011, EAS and WEA has been used for 33,000 local weather alerts and 
local emergencies and only 4 national tests (4 for EAS and 1 for WEA). 
FEMA only has about 15 people to maintain its national warning system 
24/7/365.


Giving the lack of disaster funding, you are more likely NOT to get any
warnings during a disaster than ever seeing any black helicopters flying 
over your house.


Alexa won't say a word.

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Naslund, Steve]

A few cases come to mind.  I also think there are lots of alerts that will not 
send people screaming into the streets.  9/11 did not really have that effect 
in most places and it took quite some time for word to spread to people who did 
not have full time media access.   You also have to account for non-urban areas 
(the majority of our land mass).  In a lot of this country you might not see 
anyone other than the ones you live with for many hours or days at a time.

Here is a few times I know I would not get an alert unless it came via cellular.

1.  2 AM when most people are sleeping.
2.  Riding in my car for an hour to / from work and listening to a podcast or 
music on my device.
3.  Out in the boat or at the beach.  Usually not listening to broadcast media.

Alerting cell phones should not be too high a bar to reach.  They certainly 
don't seem to have a problem getting notifications to you from every app you 
have.  It's pretty long overdue coming from companies that constantly brag 
about their super advanced high speed data networks.  It's pretty clear that 
they are not taking this real serious if you look at how long this executive 
order is taking to realize.  We are talking about years and years.  With more 
and more people cutting their cable and using Internet media vs broadcast 
media, alerting has actually gotten worse recently.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL

> I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one 
> wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't 
> personally get it.
> 
> Obviously edge cases are possible, you were deep in a cave with your 
> soccer team, but there must be mathematical modeling of that sort of 
> information dispersion.
> 
> It would have to account for other possible channels, word of mouth, 
> facebook, twitter,  posts or really any informatonal source you were 
> on on the internet (e.g., news sites), TV, radio, people screaming in 
> the streets, etc.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Randy Bush]

> So I tend not to be in a big rush to look at those alerts, actually I
> think I turned them off which in that case was an option.

i turned them off long ago.

i did get a presidential alert in november '16.  turned out to be a very
serious disaster.

randy

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

On October 7, 2018 at 15:49 fredbaker.i...@gmail.com (Fred Baker) wrote:
 > 
 > > On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
 > > 
 > > That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult 
 > > to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
 > > impaired excepted.)
 > 
 > Where I grew up, the “Civil Defense Warning” was used for air raids, nuclear 
 > defense, and tornado warnings. By regulation, it was tested monthly. When we 
 > heard it, which we did, the usual response was “they’re testing the siren 
 > again” and resumption of the barely-interrupted activity.

No doubt we'll get there with these presidential alerts, just give it
time :-)

I'll get "amber alerts" regionally and just about every time it's
nearly impossible that I could even with the best of intentions do a
thing in response. Some non-custodial parent absconded with two kids
50 miles from here in a black honda or toyota...ok gotcha I'll keep my
eyes peeled...no doubt a terrible and stressful event for those
involved but...

So I tend not to be in a big rush to look at those alerts, actually I
think I turned them off which in that case was an option.

-- 
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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Brian Kantor]

On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was
> difficult to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> impaired excepted.)

_Wired_ has an interesting history of the various networked and
standalone national alert systems that FEMA and its predecessors
have tried over the years, many of them of limited success:

https://www.wired.com/story/presidential-text-alert-fema-emergency-history/

- Brian

https://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/detail.cgi?d=2469

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Michael Thomas]

On 10/07/2018 03:49 PM, Fred Baker wrote:

On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:

That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult to 
ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
impaired excepted.)

Where I grew up, the “Civil Defense Warning” was used for air raids, nuclear 
defense, and tornado warnings. By regulation, it was tested monthly. When we 
heard it, which we did, the usual response was “they’re testing the siren 
again” and resumption of the barely-interrupted activity.


12pm every tuesday here in SF. It's not always very easy to understand 
given the echos though.


Mike

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Fred Baker]

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> 
> That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult to 
> ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> impaired excepted.)

Where I grew up, the “Civil Defense Warning” was used for air raids, nuclear 
defense, and tornado warnings. By regulation, it was tested monthly. When we 
heard it, which we did, the usual response was “they’re testing the siren 
again” and resumption of the barely-interrupted activity.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG]

Hopefully Google and Amazon product engineers are listening: EAS/NWS
alert messages could come over your various devices to help the
consumer...

The NEST Protect smoke alarms would particularly be useful for NWS
Alerts (i.e. they're loud and could broadcast "TORNADO!  SEEK SHELTER
IMMEDIATELY!")

Already having ~6 Nest Protects, and a few Home devices, I can't seem
myself ever needing to spend money on another one...unless version
next.0 included an internal antenna that could pick up NWS
alertsseems like a good source of new hardware revenue to me...

-A
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:25 PM  wrote:
>
>
> Re: EAS alert, people not being reached
>
> That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was
> difficult to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> impaired excepted.)
>
> I recall in NYC as a kid you were expected (maybe legally required,
> not sure) to head off the streets and to the nearest shelter. And
> people did. If you were a wise guy teen and didn't and a cop saw you
> you'd get an earful (don't ask me how I know this.)
>
> Some areas particularly near the shore have similar siren systems.
>
> Probably a bigger issue which isn't as apparent from a test is do
> people have any reasonable options even if they are completely aware
> that negotiations with the UFOs have collapsed and the death rays have
> started?
>
> In the days when nuclear attack was more likely we'd often say that
> it's all well and good to be alerted but seriously wtf are we supposed
> to do (duck and cover!)? Beyond "better than nothing!"?
>
> Granted for some proportion of the population a half-baked response is
> a lot better than none. If you're likely 2+ miles from a 1MT nuclear
> air burst just going into your cellars and away from windows (flying
> glass and debris) would probably save most of those lives and much
> injury at least from the initial blast.
>
> So, EAS alert may be better than nothing for many but some enumeration
> of why one might get one and what would be a reasonable reaction to
> each case would be useful.
>
> Otherwise it's just "ALERT! YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE!" Ok...
>
> Of course for many here it might mean "switch to alternate power
> source immediately".
>
> --
> -Barry Shein
>
> Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | 
> http://www.TheWorld.com
> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

Re: EAS alert, people not being reached

That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was
difficult to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
impaired excepted.)

I recall in NYC as a kid you were expected (maybe legally required,
not sure) to head off the streets and to the nearest shelter. And
people did. If you were a wise guy teen and didn't and a cop saw you
you'd get an earful (don't ask me how I know this.)

Some areas particularly near the shore have similar siren systems.

Probably a bigger issue which isn't as apparent from a test is do
people have any reasonable options even if they are completely aware
that negotiations with the UFOs have collapsed and the death rays have
started?

In the days when nuclear attack was more likely we'd often say that
it's all well and good to be alerted but seriously wtf are we supposed
to do (duck and cover!)? Beyond "better than nothing!"?

Granted for some proportion of the population a half-baked response is
a lot better than none. If you're likely 2+ miles from a 1MT nuclear
air burst just going into your cellars and away from windows (flying
glass and debris) would probably save most of those lives and much
injury at least from the initial blast.

So, EAS alert may be better than nothing for many but some enumeration
of why one might get one and what would be a reasonable reaction to
each case would be useful.

Otherwise it's just "ALERT! YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE!" Ok...

Of course for many here it might mean "switch to alternate power
source immediately".

-- 
-Barry Shein

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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:09:09 -0700, "Scott Weeks" said:
> Or some live where there is no cell coverage, don't
> watch TV, live where their neighbors are far away
> and no gov't folks are going to knock on doors
> because the driveway is long, locked at the front
> gate and there're dogs in the yard... :-)

Population density issues (you can only have so many people with long driveways
and neighbors far away per square mile) mean that these people are *way* down
the long tail. Right up there with people who live on tiny almost uninhabited
islands out in the middle of the ocean. :)

Since there isn't infinite money to build a system that will reach *everybody*,
the only reasonable approach is to cobble together a set of overlapping systems
on existing technology that covers the most people while staying inside the
funding restrictions.



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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Scott Weeks]

--- s...@donelan.com wrote:
From: Sean Donelan 

Sometimes people are asleep (disasters don't always 
happen at 2pm on a work day), live alone, are not 
constantly watching TV or checking social media.

Its unlikely any system will ever be able to reach 
everyone. 
---


Or some live where there is no cell coverage, don't 
watch TV, live where their neighbors are far away 
and no gov't folks are going to knock on doors 
because the driveway is long, locked at the front 
gate and there're dogs in the yard... :-)

scott

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Michael Thomas]

On 10/05/2018 04:47 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:

Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...

I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
personally get it.


What happens when people don't get warnings?

Gatlinburg, TN - 2016 Wildfires - 14 fatalities

Northern California - 2017 Wildfires - 44 fatalities

Yes, neighbors alerted neighbors, local emergency officials drove 
through the streets and knocked on doors, radio and television 
stations broke into programming. It took hours, and eventually about 
200,000 people were warned. But the wildfires moved faster than those 
other alerting methods.


Sometimes people are asleep (disasters don't always happen at 2pm on a 
work day), live alone, are not constantly watching TV or checking 
social media.


Its unlikely any system will ever be able to reach everyone. WEA 
reaches more people (about 70% of the national population), much 
faster (about 10-15 seconds), day and night (most people keep their 
mobile phones near them even while sleeping) than the existing warning 
systems. But they should still be used in combination, not exclusive.


Warning systems depend on communication service providers keeping 
their systems operating, i.e. cell towers with backup power, ISPs with 
diversity in their networks, etc.


If we ever get our earthquake early warning system, people definitely 
have incentive to pay attention since a minute before the incoming S 
waves ain't a lot of time, but could be a lifesaver.


Mike

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:

Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...

I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
personally get it.


What happens when people don't get warnings?

Gatlinburg, TN - 2016 Wildfires - 14 fatalities

Northern California - 2017 Wildfires - 44 fatalities

Yes, neighbors alerted neighbors, local emergency officials drove through 
the streets and knocked on doors, radio and television stations broke into 
programming. It took hours, and eventually about 200,000 people were 
warned. But the wildfires moved faster than those other alerting methods.


Sometimes people are asleep (disasters don't always happen at 2pm on a 
work day), live alone, are not constantly watching TV or checking social 
media.


Its unlikely any system will ever be able to reach everyone. WEA reaches 
more people (about 70% of the national population), much faster (about 
10-15 seconds), day and night (most people keep their mobile phones near 
them even while sleeping) than the existing warning systems. But they 
should still be used in combination, not exclusive.


Warning systems depend on communication service providers keeping their 
systems operating, i.e. cell towers with backup power, ISPs with 
diversity in their networks, etc.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[William Waites]

> I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
> wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
> personally get it.
> 
> Obviously edge cases are possible, you were deep in a cave with your
> soccer team, but there must be mathematical modeling of that sort of
> information dispersion.
> 
> It would have to account for other possible channels, word of mouth,
> facebook, twitter,  posts or really any informatonal source you were
> on on the internet (e.g., news sites), TV, radio, people screaming in
> the streets, etc.

You could do this, in principle, but you’d need a whole bunch of 
assumptions. What you want is a big graph of all people with weighted
edges. The weights are the effective bitrates, or the chance per unit
time that a message is sent and received along the edge (that’s going
to mean guessing at some plausible numbers for each medium).

We don’t have such a giant graph so we’d have to construct it and claim
that for these purposes it has the right properties and represents the
real world. You do this by saying, for each person, make a “word of 
mouth” edge to another randomly chosen person with a some probability.
And so on. There’s more guessing here about those probabilities, but
this has been studied quite a bit, at least for real networks where the
graph is available (e.g. twitter and facebook are favourites among
people who research social networks).

Once you’ve got this big graph of all the people and the chance of a
message going between any two of them pairwise, you write down a big
matrix, Q = [q_ij] which tells you that a message at person i has 
such and such a chance to go to person j in one time unit. You then
pick the people who got the initial message and make a vector x_0 = [x_i]
where the entries are 0 if they didn’t get it and 1/n if they did 
(n is the number of people who got it). Now you can say,

x(t) = exp(tQ) * x_0

and ask all the sorts of questions that you ask. That gives you the
chance at each time that each person is receiving the message. To
answer “what are the chances someone heard about it in one minute”,
sum up x*dt for all times from 0 to 1 minute, subtract out x_0 
(because they already got it) and add up the probabilities that are
left.

If Q is very big, this is expensive to compute (matrix exponentials
are expensive) but I think you could scale the whole thing down to a
representative sample population. It might be fun to do this a little
bit more seriously than a hastily written mailing list post but I think
it would always rely on a lot of guesses so would have to be taken with
a very big grain of salt. As well, this is just one way you could
model the process and there are a number of obvious criticisms
(memorylessness jumps right out).

Cheers,
-w

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[bzs]

Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...

I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
personally get it.

Obviously edge cases are possible, you were deep in a cave with your
soccer team, but there must be mathematical modeling of that sort of
information dispersion.

It would have to account for other possible channels, word of mouth,
facebook, twitter,  posts or really any informatonal source you were
on on the internet (e.g., news sites), TV, radio, people screaming in
the streets, etc.

-- 
-Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Sean Donelan]

Since I know network engineers are geeks, and can't stop themselves from 
looking...


On your iPhone (and android, and likely other cell phone OS), there are
detailed diagnostics logs. On your iPhone, look under

Settings->Privacy->Analytics->Analytics Data->awdd-

"awdd" means Apple Wireless Diagnostic Data.  In my iOS awdd file for 
October 3,there was something like this:


metriclogs {
  triggerTime: 1538590702067
  triggerId: 524356
  profileId: 174
  commCenterGSMCellBroadcastEvent {
   timestamp: 1538590702066
   message_id: 4370
   message_code: 0
   update_number: 0
   emergency_user_alert: false
  }
}

The trigger time is local time in milliseconds. That means my phone got
the cell broadcast at Wed Oct 03 2018 14:18:22, and displayed/alerted
on the phone 1 millisecond later.

Its usually a big file, so you'll need to scroll a long way. The entries
are in triggerTime order, which is the date/time, will help narrow down
where in the file.

That is the diagnostic data about the WEA Presidential Alert cell
broadcast message. The message_id 4370 is the GSM code for CMAS Alert
type Presidential. An Amber alert is code 4379 and other codes exist for
other messages.



If you didn't get an alert, you can look in the diagnostic file around 
that time for other things which might have prevented receiving an alert, 
e.g. no receiption, voice call in progress, roaming on carrier without 
WEA, etc.



In theory, Apple (iOS) and Alphabet (Android), and other manufacturers,
which collect diagnostic data analytics on handsets could create a 
nationwide report how well WEA performed based on actual data instead of 
anedoctal reports.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Dan Lowe]

My wife and I, both on AT iPhones in the greater Cleveland area, received 
nothing. A co-worker of mine in Virginia got an alert, another in Texas did 
not. I believe the co-workers are both on AT

I can't speak for the co-workers, but my wife and I do not have wifi calling 
enabled.

Dan


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 
> 2:20 EDT.
> 
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
> 
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the 
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office 
> full of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
> 
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
> 
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones 
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose 
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the 
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and 
> cell phones should only receive the message once."
> 
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Cooke, David]

Not received here but the BBC did apparently...

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45730367

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RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 12:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Ray Wong]

received 11:18am PDT T-Mobile SF bay area.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 5:32 PM james jones  wrote:

> i got it iPhone X on Xfinity Mobile
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:
>>
>> > Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or
>> wifi
>> > calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
>> irresponsible of
>> > the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
>>
>> Oddball corner case - I'm at home taking a sick day, and my Moto X4 on
>> Project
>> Fi *did* receive the alert text right at 2:18 but did *not* trigger the
>> amazingly loud and
>> annoying alert tone. Phone says it's set for wifi calling, but has a
>> tower in
>> sight too.
>>
>>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[james jones]

i got it iPhone X on Xfinity Mobile

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM  wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:
>
> > Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or
> wifi
> > calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
> irresponsible of
> > the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
>
> Oddball corner case - I'm at home taking a sick day, and my Moto X4 on
> Project
> Fi *did* receive the alert text right at 2:18 but did *not* trigger the
> amazingly loud and
> annoying alert tone. Phone says it's set for wifi calling, but has a tower
> in
> sight too.
>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:

> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or wifi
> calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and 
> irresponsible of
> the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)

Oddball corner case - I'm at home taking a sick day, and my Moto X4 on Project
Fi *did* receive the alert text right at 2:18 but did *not* trigger the 
amazingly loud and
annoying alert tone. Phone says it's set for wifi calling, but has a tower in
sight too.



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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Scott Weeks]

--- m...@maxh.me.uk wrote:
From: Max Harmony 

I got it, but not until 14.34. For a system that's 
supposed to be able to warn people of incoming 
nuclear attack, that seems unacceptably slow.
---

You mean like the one we got in Hawaii?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert

"BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK 
IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

Parents were putting their children into storm drains...

scott

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Fearghas Mckay]

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 14:52, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.

Got it on an iPhone using Project Fi at 2:18 on the dot in southern MA.

BTW the list member who was complaining about spamming the list - can I suggest 
you investigate procmail to solve your perceived problem on topics you are not 
interested in ?

f

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Scott Weeks]

--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth 

Interesting. That seems to be a gigantic hole in this 
entire process. 
-

Surprising given it's a gov't process.  Because, you 
know, those always go really well. ;)



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:: relating to the IPAWS National Test. Please e-mail us 
:: at fema-national-t...@fema.dhs.gov. 

I'm sure that will go well, too.  No doubt...


scott

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Bill Woodcock]

Received at roughly 12:15 Pacific time, AT / IOS / Berkeley CA.

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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Max Harmony]

I got it, but not until 14.34. For a system that's supposed to be able
to warn people of incoming nuclear attack, that seems unacceptably
slow.
Ar Mer, 3 Hyd 2018 am 14:52 Andy Ringsmuth  ysgrifennodd:
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Dennis Serkov]

+1

Dennis S

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Chris J. Ruschmann  wrote:
> 
> Can we stop spamming this list?
> 
> I don’t care if you received the alert or not. Contact the FCC or the 
> whitehouse.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Kain, Rebecca (.)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:33 AM
> To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
> 
> I got 1:19 and 1:21 (att then siruis)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
> 
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
> 
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
> 
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
> 
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
> 
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
> 
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Adrian Schmidt]

My son who has a Canadian line got it while in the Washington state area.
Adrian


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:44 PM Stan Barber  wrote:

> I got it on ATT IPhone I have and a Verizon Pixel as well.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:38 PM Ray Van Dolson  wrote:
>
>> Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off of both AT and VZW IP-based
>> metrocells get the alert message.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 12:53:57PM -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
>> >
>> > Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells
>> > and/or wifi calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely
>> > dumb and irresponsible of the cell phone carriers, so its likely the
>> > case :)
>> >
>> > In rural America where cell coverage may not exist but the customer
>> > may have PTMP wireless internet and is using a microcell and/or wifi
>> > calling over the internet, if they dont get the alert, that could be
>> > catastrophic. Something along the lines of the Santa Rosa, CA fires
>> > catastrophic.
>> >
>> > I wonder if that is the case.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Nathan Stratton]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM  wrote:

> Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
>
> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or
> wifi calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
> irresponsible of the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
>

Very possible, I have two phones on a AT micro-cells and both missed it.

-Nathan

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Fernandes, Paul (Volpe)]

Got it on both AT and Verizon iPhones in New England.

Sincerely,
Paul

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+paul.fernandes=dot@nanog.org] On Behalf 
Of Kenny Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Lee Brown]

I work underground so I'm in airplane mode with WiFi calling enabled.
Nothing on Verizon Android.

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Andy Ringsmuth]

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kevin Miller  wrote:
> 
> I cannot speak for AT, but my T-Mobile iPhones did not receive them either. 
>  I was told by support that if you enabled WiFi-calling, you may not receive 
> the alert.  If this is true, it seems to be a safety issue as WiFi calling 
> was enabled by default.


Interesting. That seems to be a gigantic hole in this entire process. I do have 
my iPhone set to WiFi Calling as AT’s signal has trouble reaching inside our 
building very well.

FEMA also notes:

A dedicated mailbox has been created for all questions relating to the IPAWS 
National Test. Please e-mail us at fema-national-t...@fema.dhs.gov. 

I e-mailed them with my results as well. Might be worth considering sending a 
report to that address yourself if you didn’t receive it. If our friend Kim 
lobs a rocket this way for some reason, I’d kinda like to know about it before 
the sky turns orange.  :-)


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Jason Wilson]

VZW and Fi phones both had positive activation.  Local small town Radio Station 
also had positive EAS activation in California.  No Weather Radio Activation.
 
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
> 
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
> 
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
> 
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
> 
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
> 
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Anthony Pardini]

ATT Android worked in Texas.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 2:31 PM Kenny Taylor  wrote:

> We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Udeme Ukutt]

VZW iPhone - received around 2.20pm EST.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:23 PM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Kevin Shymkiw]

Google Pixel2XL on VZW. Didn't receive anything

Kevin

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 13:34 Chaim Rieger  wrote:

> IPhone on vzw here. Received
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:23 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>
>> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
>> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
>> EDT.
>>
>> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>>
>> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
>> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
>> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>>
>> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>>
>> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
>> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
>> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
>> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
>> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
>> phones should only receive the message once."
>>
>> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>>
>>
>> 
>> Andy Ringsmuth
>> 5609 Harding Drive
>> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
>> (402) 304-0083
>> a...@andyring.com
>>
>>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Stan Barber]

I got it on ATT IPhone I have and a Verizon Pixel as well.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:38 PM Ray Van Dolson  wrote:

> Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off of both AT and VZW IP-based
> metrocells get the alert message.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 12:53:57PM -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
> >
> > Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells
> > and/or wifi calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely
> > dumb and irresponsible of the cell phone carriers, so its likely the
> > case :)
> >
> > In rural America where cell coverage may not exist but the customer
> > may have PTMP wireless internet and is using a microcell and/or wifi
> > calling over the internet, if they dont get the alert, that could be
> > catastrophic. Something along the lines of the Santa Rosa, CA fires
> > catastrophic.
> >
> > I wonder if that is the case.
> >
> > -Mike
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Brandon Martin]

Alert received on Sprint in the Indianapolis area.  I was on a phone 
call at the time [note that my handset doesn't do VoLTE - not sure if 
any Sprint handsets will at this time], and the alert was deferred until 
the call was terminated at approximately 14:30 EDT but was displayed 
immediately once that happened.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Ray Van Dolson]

Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off of both AT and VZW IP-based
metrocells get the alert message.

Ray

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 12:53:57PM -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
> 
> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells
> and/or wifi calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely
> dumb and irresponsible of the cell phone carriers, so its likely the
> case :)
> 
> In rural America where cell coverage may not exist but the customer
> may have PTMP wireless internet and is using a microcell and/or wifi
> calling over the internet, if they dont get the alert, that could be
> catastrophic. Something along the lines of the Santa Rosa, CA fires
> catastrophic.
> 
> I wonder if that is the case.
> 
> -Mike

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Geoff Mulligan]

Received on Android on Sprint here in Colorado

    Geoff Mulligan
    CTO IIoT @ Jabil


On 10/03/2018 01:23 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are 
T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland, CA.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:21 Andy Ringsmuth > wrote:


Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe
it was supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on
broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of
the sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an
office full of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30
minutes beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA
compatible cell phones that are switched on, within range of an
active cell tower, and whose wireless provider participates in WEA
should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell phones
will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only
receive the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com 

--
--
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie )
925-884-3728
robbie.io 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:21 PM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today?

AT Android in Virginia. I received it.

The Washington Post is reporting that, "A number of iPhone users on
AT’s network did not receive the notification until they had
rebooted their smartphones."

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems . Web: 

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Matthew Huff]

I received it on my iPhone XS Max running iOS 12.0 with AT, wifi calling 
off...


Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd 
Director of Operations   | Purchase, NY 10577
OTA Management LLC   | Phone: 914-460-4039


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Brian Kantor]

Alert was received on two Tracfone (Verizon?) Android in San Diego.

A few minutes later, cable (Spectrum/TimeWarner) music service was
interrupted by the alert tones, then a voice announcement began but
cut off mid-word and the music resumed less than 5 seconds into the
announcement.  No terminating alert tones were heard.

My AT (formerly PacBell) landline rang around that time but as I
never answer it, I don't know if it was related.  No message was
recorded.
- Brian

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Selphie Keller]

I did receive the alert on samsung devices:  note 8 (tmobile), note 3 (no
sim card/no service), and galaxy s6 (verizon)
~12:18 MDT (GMT-6)

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 13:55, Robbie Trencheny  wrote:

> I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are
> T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland, CA.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:21 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>
>> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
>> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
>> EDT.
>>
>> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>>
>> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
>> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
>> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>>
>> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>>
>> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
>> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
>> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
>> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
>> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
>> phones should only receive the message once."
>>
>> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>>
>>
>> 
>> Andy Ringsmuth
>> 5609 Harding Drive
>> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
>> (402) 304-0083
>> a...@andyring.com
>>
>> --
> --
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie )
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[mike . lyon]

Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.

Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or wifi 
calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and irresponsible of 
the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)

In rural America where cell coverage may not exist but the customer may have 
PTMP wireless internet and is using a microcell and/or wifi calling over the 
internet, if they dont get the alert, that could be catastrophic. Something 
along the lines of the Santa Rosa, CA fires catastrophic.

I wonder if that is the case.

-Mike

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 12:28, Chaim Rieger  wrote:
> 
> Asked co-workers that are on att and about half say they didn't get it. 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:26 Milt Aitken  wrote:
>> I got it on a Verizon Android.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
>> 
>> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
>> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
>> EDT.
>> 
>> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>> 
>> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
>> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
>> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>> 
>> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>> 
>> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
>> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones 
>> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose 
>> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the 
>> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell 
>> phones should only receive the message once."
>> 
>> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Ringsmuth
>> 5609 Harding Drive
>> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
>> (402) 304-0083
>> a...@andyring.com
>> 
>> 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Rodney Joffe]

Weirdly, I received 3. One of them is both French/English.

More weirdly i am in the air, on the way from Nanog Vancouver to Denver. We 
were still in Canada airspace, and my AT phone showed clearly “no service”. 
The phone was NOT on wi-fi.

Screen captures if anyone wants.

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
> 
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
> 
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
> 
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
> 
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
> 
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Chris J. Ruschmann]

Can we stop spamming this list?

I don’t care if you received the alert or not. Contact the FCC or the 
whitehouse.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Kain, Rebecca (.)
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:33 AM
To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

I got 1:19 and 1:21 (att then siruis)


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[James R Cutler]

Andy,

Received on iPhone 7/iOS 12 on Sprint in SE Michigan.

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
> 
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
> 
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
> 
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
> 
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
> 
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
> 
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 
> 

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Ryan Kearney via NANOG]

Awesome, I'm looking forward to hearing about all the locations a
nationwide test was and was not received in.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Kain, Rebecca (.)]

I got 1:19 and 1:21 (att then siruis)


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Kevin Miller]

I cannot speak for AT, but my T-Mobile iPhones did not receive them either. I 
was told by support that if you enabled WiFi-calling, you may not receive the 
alert. If this is true, it seems to be a safety issue as WiFi calling was 
enabled by default. 

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Cummings, Chris]

Yes, I received an alert on AT, iPhone X.


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-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says 
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.fema.gov%2femergency-alert-test=E,1,fr72hHe6gedphTpcUqBwvpTK0WFmRjf7FqlICQnIEFygbifiMG8spgvX2tJfj2gVu_Q8AYt5R6lOtqjxEEMXT5lY17sbIBJWi2Q0YGTIM8k4qqc,=1

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Anthony Johnson]

I have a Verizon iPhone 7 and did not receive the alert. I did get it on a
T-Mobile Pixel 2 though.



On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 14:23 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Robbie Trencheny]

I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are
T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland, CA.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:21 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
> --
--
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie )
925-884-3728
robbie.io

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Gary A Mumphrey]

We received it using the following platforms in Louisiana (Baton Rouge / New 
Orleans areas):

AT (including Cricket) and Sprint
iPhone and Android devices

~1:18 PM CDT

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Kenny Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[mark seiden]

my entire bus in san francisco got it.  the expressions were priceless.

t-mobile sent it earlier than other carriers -- i got it at x:18


On 10/3/18 11:52 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending 
> of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT 
> iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes 
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that 
> are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless 
> provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. 
> Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should 
> only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Chaim Rieger]

Asked co-workers that are on att and about half say they didn't get it.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:26 Milt Aitken  wrote:

> I got it on a Verizon Android.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>
>

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Benson Schliesser via NANOG]

Hi, Andy.

I don't have a helpful answer for you, because I'm at the NANOG meeting in
Canada right now and as far as I could tell none of the attendees' phones
alerted. But I am curious if perhaps your office has a micro-cell for AT,
or something like that, which might have caused different behavior versus
the public tower?

Cheers,
-Benson


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 12:22 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Ryan Hamel]

Confirmed Verizon - Android - Los Angeles.

-- 
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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Milt Aitken
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 12:24 PM
To: 'Andy Ringsmuth' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

I got it on a Verizon Android.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Nate Metheny]

Here in Santa Fe on Android / TMO no message was received.

On 10/03/2018 01:23 PM, Milt Aitken wrote:

I got it on a Verizon Android.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning at 
2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are switched on, within 
range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider participates in WEA should be 
capable of receiving the test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test 
message, and cell phones should only receive the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com



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Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Chaim Rieger]

IPhone on vzw here. Received

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:23 Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Kenny Taylor]

We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Jeremy Austin]

I received it. On AT, but not on AT Wifi Calling — I got it about :30
EDT, when I went outside within range of a 4G signal.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the
> sending of this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full
> of AT iPhones and not a single one of them alerted.
>
> FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test
>
> "Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes
> beginning at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones
> that are switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose
> wireless provider participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the
> test message. Some cell phones will not receive the test message, and cell
> phones should only receive the message once."
>
> My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.
>
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
>

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RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

[Milt Aitken]

I got it on a Verizon Android.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was 
supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20 EDT.

I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.

Message was heard on my desk radio at 1:21:35 p.m. CDT but as of the sending of 
this at 1:52 p.m. CDT, nothing on phones. I have an office full of AT iPhones 
and not a single one of them alerted.

FEMA says https://www.fema.gov/emergency-alert-test

"Cell towers will broadcast the WEA test for approximately 30 minutes beginning 
at 2:18 p.m. EDT. During this time, WEA compatible cell phones that are 
switched on, within range of an active cell tower, and whose wireless provider 
participates in WEA should be capable of receiving the test message. Some cell 
phones will not receive the test message, and cell phones should only receive 
the message once."

My wife, with a Sprint iPhone, received the test.



Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com