Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-16 Thread Bryan Socha
The best way as a isp/provider to keep google updated on your geo is:

1: support their self published geo feed:
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-google-self-published-geofeeds-02.html
2: If you qualify get setup on their peering portal http://peering.google
com   and you'll be able to provide them with your feed and see it's
processing status/errors/etc
3: wait a few weeks, it'll take awhile after first process to get all
around google.
4: keep your geofeed data accurate keeping it mind it can take a few weeks
for new blocks to populate around google.

Alternatively, you can try to support their feed and ask the noc to forward
a request to the geo team to pull it, it'll help but don't expect it perm
fixed.

This is only for the services where they might block based on location or
default to a specific language.   You're not going to alter things like
where on google maps you appear.

Bryan Socha
Network Engineer
DigitalOcean


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Fred Hollis  wrote:
> Honestly, I lost patience "the system learning the proper location of the
> IPv6 block". I have a very similar problem to the OP since 4-5 months,
> submitted this IP correction form multiple times... nothing changed.
> This is *very* annoying.
>
> Yes, my whois/SWIP is perfectly fine, every other geo ip database is showing
> correct location.
>

which block fred?

>
> On 06.05.2015 at 03:36 Matt Palmer wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 10:56:22AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>> In message <20150505210746.gh22...@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:

 On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:03:23PM -0400, Luan Nguyen wrote:
>
> There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
> But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct
> geolocation
> over time...


 That'd be quite a trick, given that the netblock practically can't be
 used
 at all with Google services.
>>>
>>>
>>> One would expect support.google.com to not be geo blocked just like
>>> postmaster@ should not be filtered.  That said they can always
>>> disable IPv6 temporarially (or just firewall off the IPv6 instance
>>> of support.google.com and have the browser fallback to IPv4) and
>>> reach support.google.com over IPv4 to lodge the complaint.
>>
>>
>> I was specifically responding to the suggestion that Google would
>> automagically "learn" the correct location of the netblock, presumably
>> based
>> on the characteristics of requests coming from the range.  Being
>> explicitly
>> told that a given netblock is in a given location (as effective, or
>> otherwise, as that may be) doesn't really fit the description of "systems
>> [learning] the correct geolocation over time".
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-06 Thread Fred Hollis
Honestly, I lost patience "the system learning the proper location of 
the IPv6 block". I have a very similar problem to the OP since 4-5 
months, submitted this IP correction form multiple times... nothing changed.

This is *very* annoying.

Yes, my whois/SWIP is perfectly fine, every other geo ip database is 
showing correct location.


On 06.05.2015 at 03:36 Matt Palmer wrote:

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 10:56:22AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:

In message <20150505210746.gh22...@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:

On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:03:23PM -0400, Luan Nguyen wrote:

There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct geolocation
over time...


That'd be quite a trick, given that the netblock practically can't be used
at all with Google services.


One would expect support.google.com to not be geo blocked just like
postmaster@ should not be filtered.  That said they can always
disable IPv6 temporarially (or just firewall off the IPv6 instance
of support.google.com and have the browser fallback to IPv4) and
reach support.google.com over IPv4 to lodge the complaint.


I was specifically responding to the suggestion that Google would
automagically "learn" the correct location of the netblock, presumably based
on the characteristics of requests coming from the range.  Being explicitly
told that a given netblock is in a given location (as effective, or
otherwise, as that may be) doesn't really fit the description of "systems
[learning] the correct geolocation over time".

- Matt



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 10:56:22AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
> In message <20150505210746.gh22...@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:
> > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:03:23PM -0400, Luan Nguyen wrote:
> > > There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
> > > But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct geolocation
> > > over time...
> > 
> > That'd be quite a trick, given that the netblock practically can't be used
> > at all with Google services.
> 
> One would expect support.google.com to not be geo blocked just like
> postmaster@ should not be filtered.  That said they can always
> disable IPv6 temporarially (or just firewall off the IPv6 instance
> of support.google.com and have the browser fallback to IPv4) and
> reach support.google.com over IPv4 to lodge the complaint.

I was specifically responding to the suggestion that Google would
automagically "learn" the correct location of the netblock, presumably based
on the characteristics of requests coming from the range.  Being explicitly
told that a given netblock is in a given location (as effective, or
otherwise, as that may be) doesn't really fit the description of "systems
[learning] the correct geolocation over time".

- Matt

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Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Mark Andrews

In message <20150505210746.gh22...@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:
> On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:03:23PM -0400, Luan Nguyen wrote:
> > There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
> > But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct geolocation
> > over time...
> 
> That'd be quite a trick, given that the netblock practically can't be used
> at all with Google services.
> 
> - Matt

One would expect support.google.com to not be geo blocked just like
postmaster@ should not be filtered.  That said they can always
disable IPv6 temporarially (or just firewall off the IPv6 instance
of support.google.com and have the browser fallback to IPv4) and
reach support.google.com over IPv4 to lodge the complaint.

Mark
-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Matt Palmer
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:03:23PM -0400, Luan Nguyen wrote:
> There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
> But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct geolocation
> over time...

That'd be quite a trick, given that the netblock practically can't be used
at all with Google services.

- Matt



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Luan Nguyen
There's a form here - https://support.google.com/websearch/contact/ip
But google is pretty smart, its systems will learn the correct geolocation
over time...

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Matthew Black 
wrote:

> Pedro Cavaca suggests:
> > https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, that looks like Google simply saves location data
> in a browser cookie.
>
> "A location helps Google find more relevant information when you use
> Search, Maps, and other Google products. Learn how Google saves location
> information on this computer."
>
>
> matthew black
> california state university, long beach
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+matthew.black=csulb@nanog.org] On
> Behalf Of Pedro Cavaca
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:41 PM
> To: John Levine
> Cc: NANOG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups
>
> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en
>
>
> On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> > But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> > possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> > the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> > up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> >
> > Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> > geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone know the
> > secret?  TIA
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
> > Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
> > http://jl.ly
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Pedro Cavaca
On 5 May 2015 at 16:22, Matthew Black  wrote:

> Pedro Cavaca suggests:
> > https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, that looks like Google simply saves location data
> in a browser cookie.
>
> "A location helps Google find more relevant information when you use
> Search, Maps, and other Google products. Learn how Google saves location
> information on this computer."
>

I don't see the text you quoted on the URL I provided.

I do see a "report the problem"  clickable, which was the point I was
trying to make on my original answer.



>
> matthew black
> california state university, long beach
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+matthew.black=csulb@nanog.org] On
> Behalf Of Pedro Cavaca
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:41 PM
> To: John Levine
> Cc: NANOG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups
>
> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en
>
>
> On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> > But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> > possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> > the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> > up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> >
> > Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> > geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone know the
> > secret?  TIA
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
> > Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
> > http://jl.ly
> >
> >
> >
>


RE: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-05-05 Thread Matthew Black
Pedro Cavaca suggests:
> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en

Correct me if I'm wrong, that looks like Google simply saves location data in a 
browser cookie.

"A location helps Google find more relevant information when you use Search, 
Maps, and other Google products. Learn how Google saves location information on 
this computer."


matthew black
california state university, long beach


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+matthew.black=csulb@nanog.org] On Behalf 
Of Pedro Cavaca
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:41 PM
To: John Levine
Cc: NANOG Mailing List
Subject: Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en


On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:

> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various 
> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that 
> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed 
> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
>
> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's 
> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone know the 
> secret?  TIA
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. 
> http://jl.ly
>
>
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Rob Seastrom

shawn wilson  writes:

> On Apr 8, 2015 7:19 AM, "Rob Seastrom" <[[r...@seastrom.com]]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Blair Trosper <[[blair.tros...@gmail.com]]> writes:
>>
>> > MaxMind (a great product)
>>
>> I've heard anecdotal accounts of MaxMind intentionally marking all
>> address blocks assigned to a VPN vendor as "open proxy" even when
>> advised repeatedly that the disputed addresses (a) had no VPN services
>> running on them either inbound or outbound, and (b) in fact were web
>> servers for the company's payment system, or mail servers for their
>> corporate email.
>>
>
> I would wonder if these apps didn't have issues that allowed web proxy to the
> world. Maybe MaxMind is doing something wrong or maybe they're seeing the
> result of malicious activities and classifying from that.

That was not the conclusion that one would draw from their replies.

-r



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Max Tulyev
On 04/08/15 14:56, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> That stated, properly providing a WHOIS entry for each prefix
> (inetnum/inet6num) is a good idea as that kind of indicates that that
> prefix is fixed in that location and not just moving around.

[skip]

> Do make sure though that you do not show any foreign address in the
> whois data (even if that is the correct entity that the prefix is
> registered under)

Seems that it is contrary to each other ;)

I thought to do something like automated whois query on tunnel
destination and put that (geo)data to each /48 inet6num tunnelled. But
as I don't believe it will help, so priority of that task is low and not
yet realized.


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Colin Johnston
Globalisation only works if network abuse and network contacts follow best 
practice and engage.
Else trade blocks and network country blocks are done and remain in place until 
certain countries ethically/practically do the right thing.

Colin

> On 8 Apr 2015, at 13:17, Tim Franklin  wrote:
> 
>> That all said: Restricting content based on location is complete and
>> utter nonsense in 2015. The world is global, people want to pay for
>> content and the content owners just don't allow people to pay for it.
> 
> Globalisation is for your corporate lords and masters to buy labour and raw 
> materials where they're cheap.
> 
> If mere peons try to buy goods and services in the same way, expect to be 
> crushed by the best legislation money can buy :(
> 
> Regards,
> Tim.



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Tim Franklin
> That all said: Restricting content based on location is complete and
> utter nonsense in 2015. The world is global, people want to pay for
> content and the content owners just don't allow people to pay for it.

Globalisation is for your corporate lords and masters to buy labour and raw 
materials where they're cheap.

If mere peons try to buy goods and services in the same way, expect to be 
crushed by the best legislation money can buy :(

Regards,
Tim.


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2015-04-08 13:31, Max Tulyev wrote:
> We operate IPv6 tunnel broker tb.netassist.ua, so /48 from our /32 is
> spread all around the world.
> Google change geo of our WHOLE /32 from time to time to another cute
> random place ;) One time Google decided we are in IRAN and block a lot
> of content as "not available in your country" o_O
> Unfortunately, there is no "magic button" to fix it, as well as no human
> contact in Google to discuss it. I'm still trying to find a good
> solution, but not found it.

Do check:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-google-self-published-geofeeds-02
That draft also contains folks to kick who wrote it.

Or more details on how SixXS uses that:
https://www.sixxs.net/faq/misc/?faq=geolocation


It is a hard problem unfortunately as there are a variety of reasons why
content owners perform Geolocation (language detection / Content
restrictions etc).

For most organizations "Geolocation" all comes down to "IP Protection"
(Stupid Property aka "Content", not Internet Protocol). Hence, if you
have a /32 IPv6 assigned to the Ukraine (which is already considered a
shady country by most unfortunately for you) and then start offering VPN
services, you'll likely just end up blocked in most of these "IP
protecting networks" as folks just think you are trying to circumvent
their great and awesome IP Protection strategies.


That stated, properly providing a WHOIS entry for each prefix
(inetnum/inet6num) is a good idea as that kind of indicates that that
prefix is fixed in that location and not just moving around.



As for Google, well, they have the method described above, but as they
are primarily a HTTP company, they could just detect Language setting by
the HTTP Accept-Language header. For YouTube etc they are in the same
boat as everybody else: IP Protection. (property not network).


In the end, having a prefix per country/region is the correct way to go.

Do make sure though that you do not show any foreign address in the
whois data (even if that is the correct entity that the prefix is
registered under) otherwise that whole prefix will suddenly be blocked
by for instance Netflix as "it is foreign"... Though Netflix always
considers VPNs as a bad thing, ignoring the fact that for some folks
that is the only real way to get a reasonable Internet experience.

That all said: Restricting content based on location is complete and
utter nonsense in 2015. The world is global, people want to pay for
content and the content owners just don't allow people to pay for it.

We all know what the end result of that is ;)

Greets,
 Jeroen



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 8, 2015 7:19 AM, "Rob Seastrom"  wrote:
>
>
> Blair Trosper  writes:
>
> > MaxMind (a great product)
>
> I've heard anecdotal accounts of MaxMind intentionally marking all
> address blocks assigned to a VPN vendor as "open proxy" even when
> advised repeatedly that the disputed addresses (a) had no VPN services
> running on them either inbound or outbound, and (b) in fact were web
> servers for the company's payment system, or mail servers for their
> corporate email.
>

I would wonder if these apps didn't have issues that allowed web proxy to
the world. Maybe MaxMind is doing something wrong or maybe they're seeing
the result of malicious activities and classifying from that.


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Max Tulyev
We operate IPv6 tunnel broker tb.netassist.ua, so /48 from our /32 is
spread all around the world.
Google change geo of our WHOLE /32 from time to time to another cute
random place ;) One time Google decided we are in IRAN and block a lot
of content as "not available in your country" o_O
Unfortunately, there is no "magic button" to fix it, as well as no human
contact in Google to discuss it. I'm still trying to find a good
solution, but not found it.

On 04/08/15 01:26, John Levine wrote:
> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> 
> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
> know the secret?  TIA
> 
> Regards,
> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> Dummies",
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
> 
> 
> 



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-08 Thread Rob Seastrom

Blair Trosper  writes:

> MaxMind (a great product)

I've heard anecdotal accounts of MaxMind intentionally marking all
address blocks assigned to a VPN vendor as "open proxy" even when
advised repeatedly that the disputed addresses (a) had no VPN services
running on them either inbound or outbound, and (b) in fact were web
servers for the company's payment system, or mail servers for their
corporate email.

Kind of reminiscent of dealing with certain RBLs for whom "personal
beef" was enough reason to list an address.  So, folks might want to
temper the "great product" comment with this anti-endorsement.

-r



Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Josh Reynolds

maxmind is the company that does it for speedtest.net

So if you've ever wondered why your IP blocks still show up as coming 
from your upstream and not you, well, that's why.


/hard_learned_trade_secret

On 04/07/2015 03:17 PM, Blair Trosper wrote:

No, Google has their own internal system.  Doubt MaxMind will help out.

This discussions and others like it may lead you in the right direction:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/fkyem9xUKOQ

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn 
wrote:


You might try here: https://www.maxmind.com/en/correction

-A

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Fred Hollis  wrote:

Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well
(both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this, please
contact me as well.


On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:

A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.

Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
know the secret?  TIA

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.

http://jl.ly






Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
"We'll investigate your report and, if necessary, pass the details on
to our engineering team. Updates to IP addresses may take more than a
month. We won't follow up with you individually but we'll do our best
to resolve the issue."

'more than a month' > 3wks.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:24 PM, John R. Levine  wrote:
>> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en
>
>
> He says he sent in the IP update three weeks ago, nothing happened.  Any
> other suggestions?
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:
>>
>>> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
>>> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
>>> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
>>> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
>>> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
>>>
>>> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
>>> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
>>> know the secret?  TIA
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>>> Dummies",
>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread John R. Levine

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en


He says he sent in the IP update three weeks ago, nothing happened.  Any 
other suggestions?





On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:


A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.

Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
know the secret?  TIA

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly







Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Blair Trosper
It wouldn't hurt to correct it with MaxMind (a great product), but you'd
probably have better results dealing with Google directly.   If you have
Google Apps, you've got support, and that would be one way to go about
getting it addressed.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn 
wrote:

> I figure they all collaborate.  I updated one of our IPs with MaxMind
> and a few weeks later Google was fixed.
>
> Of course that could be because half the staff here carry tiny
> GPS-enabled Google location reporting devices in their pocket too...
>
> -A
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Blair Trosper 
> wrote:
> > No, Google has their own internal system.  Doubt MaxMind will help out.
> >
> > This discussions and others like it may lead you in the right direction:
> > https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/fkyem9xUKOQ
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> You might try here: https://www.maxmind.com/en/correction
> >>
> >> -A
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Fred Hollis 
> wrote:
> >> > Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as
> well
> >> > (both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this,
> >> > please
> >> > contact me as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> >> >> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> >> >> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear
> that
> >> >> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is
> screwed
> >> >> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> >> >>
> >> >> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> >> >> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
> >> >> know the secret?  TIA
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet
> for
> >> >> Dummies",
> >> >> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
> >> >> http://jl.ly
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
I figure they all collaborate.  I updated one of our IPs with MaxMind
and a few weeks later Google was fixed.

Of course that could be because half the staff here carry tiny
GPS-enabled Google location reporting devices in their pocket too...

-A

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Blair Trosper  wrote:
> No, Google has their own internal system.  Doubt MaxMind will help out.
>
> This discussions and others like it may lead you in the right direction:
> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/fkyem9xUKOQ
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn 
> wrote:
>>
>> You might try here: https://www.maxmind.com/en/correction
>>
>> -A
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Fred Hollis  wrote:
>> > Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well
>> > (both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this,
>> > please
>> > contact me as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
>> >> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
>> >> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
>> >> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
>> >> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
>> >>
>> >> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
>> >> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
>> >> know the secret?  TIA
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>> >> Dummies",
>> >> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
>> >> http://jl.ly
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Blair Trosper
No, Google has their own internal system.  Doubt MaxMind will help out.

This discussions and others like it may lead you in the right direction:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/fkyem9xUKOQ

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn 
wrote:

> You might try here: https://www.maxmind.com/en/correction
>
> -A
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Fred Hollis  wrote:
> > Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well
> > (both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this, please
> > contact me as well.
> >
> >
> > On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:
> >>
> >> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> >> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> >> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> >> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> >> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> >>
> >> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> >> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
> >> know the secret?  TIA
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
> >> Dummies",
> >> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
> http://jl.ly
> >>
> >>
> >
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
You might try here: https://www.maxmind.com/en/correction

-A

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Fred Hollis  wrote:
> Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well
> (both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this, please
> contact me as well.
>
>
> On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:
>>
>> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
>> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
>> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
>> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
>> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
>>
>> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
>> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
>> know the secret?  TIA
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>> Dummies",
>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>>
>>
>


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Arzhel Younsi
The list on http://nanog.peeringdb.com/index.php/GeoIP is useful,
especially if several GeoIP databases return incorrect locations.

-- 
Arzhel

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015, at 10:42, Fred Hollis wrote:
> Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well 
> (both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this, 
> please contact me as well.
> 
> On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:
> > A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> > But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> > possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> > the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> > up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
> >
> > Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> > geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
> > know the secret?  TIA
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> > Dummies",
> > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
> >
> >


Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Fred Hollis
Thanks for sending this to the list: We have the very same issue as well 
(both IPv4+IPv6). If someone knows the magic button to solve this, 
please contact me as well.


On 08.04.2015 at 00:26 John Levine wrote:

A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.

Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
know the secret?  TIA

Regards,
John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly




Re: Fixing Google geolocation screwups

2015-04-07 Thread Pedro Cavaca
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/873?hl=en


On 7 April 2015 at 23:26, John Levine  wrote:

> A friend of mine lives in Alabama and has business service from at&t.
> But Google thinks he's in France.  We've checked for various
> possibilities of VPNs and proxies and such, and it's pretty clear that
> the Goog's geolocation for addresses around 99.106.185.0/24 is screwed
> up.  Bing and other services correctly find him in Alabama.
>
> Poking around I see lots of advice about how to use Google's
> geolocation data, but nothing on how to update it.  Anyone
> know the secret?  TIA
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
> Dummies",
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>
>
>