Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
thanks steve. this is certainly a step forward in nanog's evolution, and one i hope and presume will be positive. hard work for you, but really it's mostly just business. we did it with arin, and that has worked out. and, despite the undoubted ton of blah blah that will come on the list(s), you know that the large core of the community supports your efforts, and some can even be called upon to help with the work. and, of course, a jillion thanks to betty, carol, sue, larry, david, et alia at merit who have provided such great support over the years and have helped hatch the egg. randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
[Nanog-futures] Merit's Position on NANOG Evolution
Title: Sig The issue of Merit's position on the creation of an independent organization has come up, so allow me to state it directly. Merit was not consulted, this was a decision made by community leaders and presented to Merit. We at Merit do not think it is a good idea. We have always tried to support and act in accordance with the will of the community. Therefore, we will support this transition to the best of our ability. Sincerely, Don -- Donald J. Welch, Ph.D. President and CEO Merit Network, Inc. www.merit.edu 734-527-5701 Connecting Organizations Building Community Hands-on Network Security: Practical Tools and Methods Apr 27, 2010 - Apr 29, 2010 http://www.merit.edu/events/archive/specialevents/securitytools2010/ 2010 Merit Member Conference May 26, 2010 - May 27, 2010 http://www.merit.edu/events/mmc/ NANOG49 June 13, 2010 - June 16, 2010 http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/ ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] More information about this morning's announcement?
On 15 April 2010 01:32, Steve Gibbard s...@gibbard.org wrote: I'm wondering if there's any more information available about the efforts to separate NANOG from Merit (as announced by Steve Feldman this morning in mail to the main NANOG list). I think this was needed. NANOG can quite easily be an independent organisation.. Merit have done a fantastic job so far and continue to do so, however it is time for NANOG to evolve to the next stage. What I would like to know - is there anyway that I may assist prior to, during and after the changeover? This *I* also includes my colleagues in the industry. :-) Regards Denesh ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: Randy Bush expunged (ra...@psg.com): thanks steve. this is certainly a step forward in nanog's evolution, and one i hope and presume will be positive. hard work for you, but really it's mostly just business. we did it with arin, and that has worked out. and, despite the undoubted ton of blah blah that will come on the list(s), you know that the large core of the community supports your efforts, and some can even be called upon to help with the work. I'll second that. I'll admit to my jaw dropping when I read the announcement, but I think it's the direction we need to go (and maybe even long overdue). Merit has done a great job, but I think the nature of the relationship has needed to change. Any specifics that required the nature of the relationship to change? /vijay -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
vijay gill expunged (vg...@vijaygill.com): I'll second that. I'll admit to my jaw dropping when I read the announcement, but I think it's the direction we need to go (and maybe even long overdue). Merit has done a great job, but I think the nature of the relationship has needed to change. Any specifics that required the nature of the relationship to change? Although Merit worked hard in recent years to take more of a community approach, in the end, Merit has final say on all things Nanog. In my personal opinion, that needs to change. Are we an independent community based organization, or a community based organization that has parental supervision? -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: vijay gill expunged (vg...@vijaygill.com): I'll second that. I'll admit to my jaw dropping when I read the announcement, but I think it's the direction we need to go (and maybe even long overdue). Merit has done a great job, but I think the nature of the relationship has needed to change. Any specifics that required the nature of the relationship to change? Although Merit worked hard in recent years to take more of a community approach, in the end, Merit has final say on all things Nanog. In my personal opinion, that needs to change. Are we an independent community based organization, or a community based organization that has parental supervision? What were some specific issues. /vijay -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, vijay gill vg...@vijaygill.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: vijay gill expunged (vg...@vijaygill.com): I'll second that. I'll admit to my jaw dropping when I read the announcement, but I think it's the direction we need to go (and maybe even long overdue). Merit has done a great job, but I think the nature of the relationship has needed to change. Any specifics that required the nature of the relationship to change? Although Merit worked hard in recent years to take more of a community approach, in the end, Merit has final say on all things Nanog. In my personal opinion, that needs to change. Are we an independent community based organization, or a community based organization that has parental supervision? What were some specific issues. +1 -- Martin Hannigan mar...@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
vijay gill expunged (vg...@vijaygill.com): What were some specific issues. It's not my intention to re-hash that last four years of community meetings (maybe you some show up more frequently?) :) -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Steve Meuse sme...@mara.org wrote: vijay gill expunged (vg...@vijaygill.com): What were some specific issues. It's not my intention to re-hash that last four years of community meetings (maybe you some show up more frequently?) :) I have been to a few and I read the notes. Still not quite sure what problem this is hoping to solve. /vijay -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] [NANOG-announce] The Evolution of NANOG
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, vijay gill wrote: I have been to a few and I read the notes. Still not quite sure what problem this is hoping to solve. As I said, I wasn't privvy to most of the discussions surrounding this. I don't really know what's being proposed, or what's transpired between the Austin NANOG (when I last discussed this with some of the people involved) and now. The catalyst for some of the discussion in Austin was that Merit had laid off some of the staff members involved in running the NANOG organization and producing the conferences. There was a lot of apprehension among some who had been previously very happy with the job Merit was doing of running NANOG about what this meant, and whether Merit would remain committed to NANOG and its open governance process. That's the end of what I know. What follows is speculation. The NANOG meetings, at least, are probably big enough that they do need professional coordination, no matter who owns them. It seems conceivable that NANOG Inc. could be an Ann Arbor based organization, hire the organizing staff that Merit has laid off, and continue with the meeting staff status quo. Or it could have different staff, be outsourced to some other industry organization, or contracted out to one of the many conference organizing companies. I'm interested in seeing which direction the Steering Committee wants to go on this, or if they've gotten that far yet. -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Merit's Position on NANOG Evolution
On 4/15/10 7:47 AM, Don Welch wrote: The issue of Merit's position on the creation of an independent organization has come up, so allow me to state it directly. Merit was not consulted, this was a decision made by community leaders and presented to Merit. We at Merit do not think it is a good idea. We have always tried to support and act in accordance with the will of the community. Therefore, we will support this transition to the best of our ability. Then I would ask this question of the community leaders: What was broken that the separation from Merit is intended to fix? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
