Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
On 9/21/10 5:46 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: There is a trope among American entrepreneurs wherein one refers to a new, yet to be formally named company as NewCo or NewCorp. Not just entrepreneurs, but existing companies that go through naming and branding changes. They will use an obviously fake name to refer to the company before they formally announce the new name. NewNOG is not able to use the NANOG brand at this time, as it has not yet been acquired by the company. Whether the new company changes it's name to NANOG in the future is an academic exercise more than anything else. I would think that it would be better to have company name different than the activity of NANOG, but this is just my opinion. -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
I didn't get the chance to cruise through this as quickly as I wanted but I'll weigh in on at least part of it... Despite my status as a sapphire-button mandarin in the current nanog cabal I am not in general in favor of membership tiers or classifications. If membership is required and I'm ok with that case that has been been made for that, there should be two tiers at most, members and non-members. student membership is a question of fee schedule and not an issue of status, fellows are just another monkey on the bus. On 9/19/10 10:05 PM, Steve Feldman wrote: The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: http://www.newnog.org/docs/newnog-bylaws.pdf Please take a few minutes to review these and make any comments or suggestions. There will be a question on the ballot during the NANOG election next month to ratify these bylaws. Everyone eligible to vote in the NANOG election will also be eligible to vote on this. Thanks, Steve (for the NewNOG board) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Firstly, as a non-American I like the idea of codifying that there is a clear international remit for the organisation - as per Michael's previous mail. Secondly, are you completely wedded to the name NewNOG - while it's been a useful working title I'm coming to the opinion that as a long-term name it lacks meaning (or subverts meaning over time, which is arguably worse.) Remember that anything new will, with the passage of time, cease to be new. I hope that the intent is that this new organisation will be a long lived venture, living far beyond what anyone might reasonably refer to as 'New' :) Just my thoughts. Best regards, --Gar On 20/09/10 22:05, Daniel Golding wrote: Just as an FYI - a lot of the membership stuff got cribbed from IEEE (thanks, IEEE guys!), as they are a related group and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. That being said, there will be a few cases like this, where we'll need to clean up the verbiage. There is nothing actually implied here - I don't think anyone will be screening people's membership apps and demanding resumes. In regard to Rose's comment on management - agreed. That was my omission. - Dan On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, J Springer j...@jspringer.net wrote: The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: If these issues have been resolved and I missed them, apologies in advance. Would you elaborate on 5.1 Membership Qualifications: ... who by experience or education give evidence ... Is this gathered during the application process? Regarding 5.2.3 Life Member: ... must maintain qualifications for membership to remain in good standing. It's not a Life membership if that membership may be revoked and/or the application process has to be repeated even though dues have been paid. Perhaps it should be labeled differently. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyYXQIACgkQK36C50PvIR+65QCePewlhM5gNCKb6N5E1IgkRX0C bw4An3+t09CrNt1mnj2loKCP2HhH/Gs4 =oOAD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
On 21/09/10 12:46, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: [snip] Hi Gareth, There is a trope among American entrepreneurs wherein one refers to a new, yet to be formally named company as NewCo or NewCorp. This [snip] Thanks - that's not a convention I had come across, but very pleased to see that it is merely a placeholder :) Best regards, --Gar ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: If these issues have been resolved and I missed them, apologies in advance. Would you elaborate on 5.1 Membership Qualifications: ... who by experience or education give evidence ... Is this gathered during the application process? Regarding 5.2.3 Life Member: ... must maintain qualifications for membership to remain in good standing. It's not a Life membership if that membership may be revoked and/or the application process has to be repeated even though dues have been paid. Perhaps it should be labeled differently. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
Steve, overall good job. A few comments: 1. On life members, not sure you want to include that this is 10x membership in the bylaws since the fee here could change over time. 2. I think we do need a finance committee since you have this on most boards. 3. On legislation, I think if the government wants input on proposed laws and regulations, Nanog can give that even though we are not a lobbyist. 4. On membership, I think we should include management of these organizations not just technical staff. Also software and application vendors like those that do network management software should be OK as members. Rose Klimovich -Original Message- From: Steve Feldman [mailto:feld...@twincreeks.net] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:06 AM To: nanog-futures@nanog.org Subject: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: http://www.newnog.org/docs/newnog-bylaws.pdf Please take a few minutes to review these and make any comments or suggestions. There will be a question on the ballot during the NANOG election next month to ratify these bylaws. Everyone eligible to vote in the NANOG election will also be eligible to vote on this. Thanks, Steve (for the NewNOG board) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
Thanks for all the feedback received so far (and I'm sure there will be much more, which will also be very welcome). The membership section of this is a product of the Membership Working Group, chaired by Kris Foster. Everything else in the bylaws came from the Governance Working Group. I'll leave addressing the membership-related questions to them. On the other points: Rose Klimovich said: 3. On legislation, I think if the government wants input on proposed laws and regulations, Nanog can give that even though we are not a lobbyist. I'm assuming Rose was referring to the part of section 6 that says, No substantial part of the activities of the corporation shall be the carrying on of propaganda, or otherwise attempting to influence legislation, and the corporation shall not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distribution of statements) any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. That part came from NewNOG's attorney. I believe it is standard 501(c)3 boilerplate, as it looks very similar to what I've seen in the bylaws of other 501(c)3 organizations. My understanding is that there's a critical difference between giving advice, which is ok, and attempting to influence legislation, which is a disqualifier for 501(c)3 status. I don't believe answering questions when asked for advice would run afoul of that section -- indeed, it's arguably an important educational function. Handing out campaign contributions in an attempt to influence the Network Neutrality debate, for instance, would be. There are certainly some grey areas inbetween, which might require seeking legal advice, but I don't think this provision restricts us any more than any of the other 501(c)3 organizations that regularly have representatives testifying before Congress are restricted. Dan Golding says: I think there should be a codified budget and finance committee, to provide forward looking budgets as well as audit capability. I think these are important things to codify in the bylaws. That sounds reasonable. Should I use the following as the language for it, or would the current Working Group like the language to say something else? 9.5 Budget and Finance Committee The Budget and Finance Committee will be responsible, along with the Executive Director and Board of Directors, for NewNOG's budgeting and financial planning. 9.5.1 Budget and Finance Committee Membership and Selection The Budget and Finance Committee will consist of at least three members selected by the Board of Directors. Members of the Budget and Finance Committee may not serve concurrently on the Board of Directors. The chairperson of the Budget and Finance Committee will serve ex officio in a non-voting role on the Board of Directors, in order to facilitate communication between the two groups. Budget and Finance Committee members will serve a two-year term, with terms staggered such that as close to half as possible of the terms expire each year. No member will serve more than two consecutive terms, although additional terms may be served after a one-year interval. A Budget and Finance Committee member may be removed before the expiration of his or her term if at least five members of the Board of Directors vote for the removal. Michael Dillon wrote: Consider adding worldwide as follows: The purpose of NewNOG is to provide forums in the North American region for education and the sharing of knowledge for the worldwide Internet operations community. I think this helps clarify that although the focus for venues is on North America, that the focus of the work is not geographically restricted. We kept the same language there that's in the current NANOG Charter. It's certainly changable if there's a desire to do so, but I think the current language was the result of much negotiation five years ago when it was negotiated. Does anybody else have a strong desire to change that? Thanks, Steve On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Steve Feldman wrote: The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: http://www.newnog.org/docs/newnog-bylaws.pdf Please take a few minutes to review these and make any comments or suggestions. There will be a question on the ballot during the NANOG election next month to ratify these bylaws. Everyone eligible to vote in the NANOG election will also be eligible to vote on this. Thanks, Steve (for the NewNOG board) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures -- Steve Gibbard s...@gibbard.org +1 415 717-7842 (cell) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org
Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
Just as an FYI - a lot of the membership stuff got cribbed from IEEE (thanks, IEEE guys!), as they are a related group and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. That being said, there will be a few cases like this, where we'll need to clean up the verbiage. There is nothing actually implied here - I don't think anyone will be screening people's membership apps and demanding resumes. In regard to Rose's comment on management - agreed. That was my omission. - Dan On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, J Springer j...@jspringer.net wrote: The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: If these issues have been resolved and I missed them, apologies in advance. Would you elaborate on 5.1 Membership Qualifications: ... who by experience or education give evidence ... Is this gathered during the application process? Regarding 5.2.3 Life Member: ... must maintain qualifications for membership to remain in good standing. It's not a Life membership if that membership may be revoked and/or the application process has to be repeated even though dues have been paid. Perhaps it should be labeled differently. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
[Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG
The NewNOG governance working group, chaired by Steve Gibbard, has published a set of proposed bylaws for the corporation. These may be found at: http://www.newnog.org/docs/newnog-bylaws.pdf Please take a few minutes to review these and make any comments or suggestions. There will be a question on the ballot during the NANOG election next month to ratify these bylaws. Everyone eligible to vote in the NANOG election will also be eligible to vote on this. Thanks, Steve (for the NewNOG board) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
