Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-16 Thread Oscilloclock
By "noise canceling", my crazy idea was something like this:

Attach a microphone on the transformer, apply a band-width filter at 900Hz, 
phase delay 180 degrees and output the amplified out-of-phase signal via a 
transducer or speaker mounted on the chassis.

Complete overkill, but could it possibly reduce a bit of the noise if the 
placement were just right?

Aaron 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-15 Thread yendor3


Even when the laminations and windings are tight, magnetostriction
can produce a lot of sound. A 'varnished' transformer can be potted in
'rubber' to absorb the vibrations. Mounting requirements and wire
sizes are design issues.

John K 

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 The 900 Hz noise of which Morris is mentioning is 'most likely' being

 caused by physical vibration of the lamination's within one or more
of 
 the transformers, and there is not much that can be done about it, if
I 
 am correct. But I'll wait and see along with the rest of us as to
what 
 Morris has to say about it. Ira.

 On 7/15/2014 6:21 AM, Oscilloclock wrote:
 > Morris that is truly awesome. I admit to having no clue how this
could work after all, and to having to go back and re-read your "Saga
of the Sperry part 3" article - and I suspect I'll do so several times
more before I "get it"!
 >
 > Would a simple noise-canceling unit tuned to the transformer
frequency help to reduce the noise?
 >
 > Well done so far.
 >
 > Aaron
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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-15 Thread Instrument Resources of America
The 900 Hz noise of which Morris is mentioning is 'most likely' being 
caused by physical vibration of the lamination's within one or more of 
the transformers, and there is not much that can be done about it, if I 
am correct. But I'll wait and see along with the rest of us as to what 
Morris has to say about it.   Ira.



On 7/15/2014 6:21 AM, Oscilloclock wrote:

Morris that is truly awesome. I admit to having no clue how this could work after all, and to 
having to go back and re-read your "Saga of the Sperry part 3" article - and I suspect 
I'll do so several times more before I "get it"!

Would a simple noise-canceling unit tuned to the transformer frequency help to 
reduce the noise?

Well done so far.

Aaron



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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-15 Thread Morris Odell


Thanks Tom,

The E1T clock is at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5I_L4KY4Qo

The video doesn't show it well but there's a little IN-17 nixie on the 
front that displays the number of satellites seen by the internal GPS 
receiver. It was a nice technical challenge but to be honest I don't think 
it succeeds as a clock. We humans are over-experienced to recognise 
traditional clockfaces and digital displays without actively thinking about 
them. The E1T is too alien. Non-nerds don't recognise it instantly as a 
clock as they do all the others I've made and even when it's explained 
people don't see it as a practical clock. 

Thanks for the offer of the transformer varnish etc. I've got a couple of 
other avenues to try (not work related :-) but I might get back to you.

Cheers,

Morris




On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:30:16 PM UTC+10, celephicus wrote:
>
> Hi Morris,
>
> Yes I do, I follow you achievments with interest, where can I see pics of 
> the E1T clock?
>
> Your display sounds complex, a thee phase scanning yoke! Why not just have 
> an X-Y vector display and drive that directly by the micro?
>
> I do have a mate with a vacuum chamber (actually a commercial pressure 
> cooker with a vacuum pump) and I can get hold of some transformer varnish 
> as well. Want to give it a go? You have to bake it afterwards to get the 
> varnish to go off. Lot of work for a one off.
>
> In your profession I would have thought that you would have access to a 
> lab with some sinister apparatus for preparation of "specimens" shall we 
> say...? 
>
>
> Tom Harris >
>
>
> On 15 July 2014 13:01, Morris Odell > 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tom,
>>
>> No it's a static yoke which is 3 phase delta wound and excited with 
>> suitable waveforms generated by a micro. It's the original 900 Hz radar 
>> power tranny that's the culprit.
>>
>> BTW you may remember me as the fellow who once bought a E1T chassis from 
>> you for experimentation. That ended up as a the learning experience nice 6 
>> digit clock too!
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:18:43 PM UTC+10, celephicus wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Morris. The last display like this I saw had a rotating yoke 
>>> with slip rings, so if yours has one the power transformer must be a real 
>>> howler. It sounds like 400Hz too. 
>>>
>>> Can't wait to see it completed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Harris 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 July 2014 19:02, Morris Odell  wrote:
>>>
  Hi all,

 I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down 
 on the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power 
 transformer is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing 
 material especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).

 The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs

 Morris




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RE: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-15 Thread Tidak Ada
Would a slight focus variation during scanning the hours hands be an option?
Is there no transformer business available who can help you?
 
eric

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Thanks for the comment. It's hard to make the hands much thicker. It's
radially scanned from the centre out so adding more scan lines makes the
hand wider at the tip than at the base - the opposite of what's desirable.
At the moment it's just 2 lines. I do increase the intensity for the minute
and hour hands as much as I can compared to the second hand by increasing
the time the dots making up the lines  are presented on the screen and it
looks pretty good "in the flesh". 

Morris

On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:06:44 PM UTC+10, Tidak Ada wrote: 

Amazing!
Idea: Is it possible to give the hours hand a broader line?
 
I cannot wait to see extended technical information!
 
eric

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Hi all,


I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down on
the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power transformer
is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing material
especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).

The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs>
v=tL3840bE9Cs

Morris












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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-15 Thread yendor3


The hand could be several lines starting short getting longer then
shorter again?

Centrifuging could help with potting - ie bucket on a rope :-))

 

Maybe it is an excuse to try some active noise cancelling
experiments?

Or, maybe you have had your fun and I'll give you two bob for it.

John K 

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Thanks for the comment. It's hard to make the hands much thicker. It's
radially scanned from the centre out so adding more scan lines makes
the hand wider at the tip than at the base - the opposite of what's
desirable. At the moment it's just 2 lines. I do increase the
intensity for the minute and hour hands as much as I can compared to
the second hand by increasing the time the dots making up the lines
 are presented on the screen and it looks pretty good "in the flesh".
 Morris

On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:06:44 PM UTC+10, Tidak Ada wrote: 
Amazing! Idea: Is it possible to give the hours hand a broader line? 
  I cannot wait to see extended technical information!    eric 

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Hi all,

I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside
down on the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power
transformer is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound
absorbing material especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to
my clocks :-). 

The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs [1] 

Morris 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-14 Thread Tom Harris
Hi Morris,

Yes I do, I follow you achievments with interest, where can I see pics of
the E1T clock?

Your display sounds complex, a thee phase scanning yoke! Why not just have
an X-Y vector display and drive that directly by the micro?

I do have a mate with a vacuum chamber (actually a commercial pressure
cooker with a vacuum pump) and I can get hold of some transformer varnish
as well. Want to give it a go? You have to bake it afterwards to get the
varnish to go off. Lot of work for a one off.

In your profession I would have thought that you would have access to a lab
with some sinister apparatus for preparation of "specimens" shall we
say...?


Tom Harris 


On 15 July 2014 13:01, Morris Odell  wrote:

> Thanks Tom,
>
> No it's a static yoke which is 3 phase delta wound and excited with
> suitable waveforms generated by a micro. It's the original 900 Hz radar
> power tranny that's the culprit.
>
> BTW you may remember me as the fellow who once bought a E1T chassis from
> you for experimentation. That ended up as a the learning experience nice 6
> digit clock too!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:18:43 PM UTC+10, celephicus wrote:
>
>> Very nice Morris. The last display like this I saw had a rotating yoke
>> with slip rings, so if yours has one the power transformer must be a real
>> howler. It sounds like 400Hz too.
>>
>> Can't wait to see it completed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Harris 
>>
>>
>> On 14 July 2014 19:02, Morris Odell  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down
>>> on the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power
>>> transformer is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing
>>> material especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).
>>>
>>> The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs
>>>
>>> Morris
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-14 Thread Morris Odell
Thanks Tom,

No it's a static yoke which is 3 phase delta wound and excited with 
suitable waveforms generated by a micro. It's the original 900 Hz radar 
power tranny that's the culprit.

BTW you may remember me as the fellow who once bought a E1T chassis from 
you for experimentation. That ended up as a the learning experience nice 6 
digit clock too!

Cheers, 

On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:18:43 PM UTC+10, celephicus wrote:
>
> Very nice Morris. The last display like this I saw had a rotating yoke 
> with slip rings, so if yours has one the power transformer must be a real 
> howler. It sounds like 400Hz too. 
>
> Can't wait to see it completed.
>
>
>
> Tom Harris >
>
>
> On 14 July 2014 19:02, Morris Odell > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down on 
>> the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power transformer 
>> is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing material 
>> especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).
>>
>> The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs
>>
>> Morris
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-14 Thread Morris Odell
Thanks for the comment. It's hard to make the hands much thicker. It's 
radially scanned from the centre out so adding more scan lines makes the 
hand wider at the tip than at the base - the opposite of what's desirable. 
At the moment it's just 2 lines. I do increase the intensity for the minute 
and hour hands as much as I can compared to the second hand by increasing 
the time the dots making up the lines  are presented on the screen and it 
looks pretty good "in the flesh".

Morris

On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:06:44 PM UTC+10, Tidak Ada wrote:
>
>  Amazing!
> Idea: Is it possible to give the hours hand a broader line?
>  
> I cannot wait to see extended technical information!
>  
> eric
>
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> *Sent:* maandag 14 juli 2014 11:03
> *To:* neoni...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!
>
>  Hi all,
>
> I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down on 
> the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power transformer 
> is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing material 
> especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).
>
> The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs
>
> Morris
>
>
>
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RE: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-14 Thread Tidak Ada
Amazing!
Idea: Is it possible to give the hours hand a broader line?
 
I cannot wait to see extended technical information!
 
eric

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Subject: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!



Hi all,


I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down on
the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power transformer
is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing material
especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).

The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs

Morris










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Re: [neonixie-l] Sperry radar clock now working!

2014-07-14 Thread Tom Harris
Very nice Morris. The last display like this I saw had a rotating yoke with
slip rings, so if yours has one the power transformer must be a real
howler. It sounds like 400Hz too.

Can't wait to see it completed.



Tom Harris 


On 14 July 2014 19:02, Morris Odell  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've got the clock displaying time now. The video shows it upside down on
> the bench so it's at a few minutes past 12. That howling power transformer
> is a distraction, I'll have to wrap it in some sound absorbing material
> especially as I like to add Westminster chimes to my clocks :-).
>
> The next step is to put it all together and tidy it up!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3840bE9Cs
>
> Morris
>
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