Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
James, Thank you very much. I am quite shure that there are no one capable on the list to answer those questions ... Every action ... an reaction ... The questions are those below and i am looking forward to hear from a specialist from the list ... Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited or FINITE space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE FINITUDE Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? How is doing that division on IPV¨6 ??? who are responsible for that decisions ? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , WHO IS WHO in that new way of Control. Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:59:17 + From: jwm.art@gmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die Hi Eduardo, I didn't respond because I am not knowledgeable about these things. What Rob says seems about right to me, I have absolutely nothing to add, and I don't think he's being as cynical and unserious about it as you acuse him of being. I used to respond post more frequently on the list but so many times it can feel like emails go unread.. It's easy to assume they land straight in the spam/trash because of saying the wrong thing/attitude/etc too many times. But maybe its true, who knows!?!? :-) James. On 30 October 2013 16:05, Eduardo Valle wrote: James, thank you very much for not even tried to answer... Chutney is good as Curry too Sometimes confirmation is necessary ... At least after one week the post from Firefox was available ... And this one also after one week retention ... The questions are still around ... Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited or FINITE space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE FINITUDE Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , TELL WHO IS WHO in that new Control. Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:40:37 + From: jwm.art@gmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die On 30 October 2013 00:32, Eduardo Valle wrote: Try to avoid despair ... You didnt understand or You are again being CYNIC ? I hope not ... As I hope that too from the others Members of the list ... But it is prove ... As Far as i know everybody was work to do ... Sounds like good advice to me: try to avoid despair. Worth taking that kind of advice, because in this day and age (as well as many other days and ages), despair is always lurking round the corner ready to rear its ugly turtle head. Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE LIMITS Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , TELL WHO IS WHO in that new Control. Is the interview with Firefox CENSORED by the list , because it was in portuguese or because it was questioning the so called Open and free praticsed by The Google Imperium ? I got both the emails about it. I used google translate to read it. There wasn't anything of which I was unaware or if there was, it was nothing which surprised or shocked me. Then I forgot about it. Sorry. Or was I too busy at work in a factory and then got home and tried programming or chilli chutney making or moving house or something. James. Funny the approval of the last message took very long, compared to others ... Very funny ! > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:02:36 -0700 &g
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
James, thank you very much for not even tried to answer... Chutney is good as Curry too Sometimes confirmation is necessary ... At least after one week the post from Firefox was available ... And this one also after one week retention ... The questions are still around ... Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited or FINITE space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE FINITUDE Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , TELL WHO IS WHO in that new Control. Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:40:37 + From: jwm.art@gmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die On 30 October 2013 00:32, Eduardo Valle wrote: Try to avoid despair ... You didnt understand or You are again being CYNIC ? I hope not ... As I hope that too from the others Members of the list ... But it is prove ... As Far as i know everybody was work to do ... Sounds like good advice to me: try to avoid despair. Worth taking that kind of advice, because in this day and age (as well as many other days and ages), despair is always lurking round the corner ready to rear its ugly turtle head. Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE LIMITS Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , TELL WHO IS WHO in that new Control. Is the interview with Firefox CENSORED by the list , because it was in portuguese or because it was questioning the so called Open and free praticsed by The Google Imperium ? I got both the emails about it. I used google translate to read it. There wasn't anything of which I was unaware or if there was, it was nothing which surprised or shocked me. Then I forgot about it. Sorry. Or was I too busy at work in a factory and then got home and tried programming or chilli chutney making or moving house or something. James. Funny the approval of the last message took very long, compared to others ... Very funny ! > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:02:36 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, > Intel)) must Die > > On 24/10/13 06:39 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Rob , first let me say you are a very good selector , nice links. > > Thank you. > > > But your kind of "funny ironic" answers ... some might say is CYNIC and > > we know that some persons fell confortable in that situation ... > > I try to avoid despair. > > > And the worst is the silence of the others members of the list, that is > > also syntomatic ... > > I imagine they have other work to do. > > > 1) Try to say to a British citizen in the 21st century that only 30% of > > the population has access to internet ?And that access is very expensive > > ??? So, be a little more serious on that subject , IT IS AN ABSURD !! No > > matter if it is "free" or not, because thats another discussion. But > > worst is a president that blame the others to appear as a "rebel" ... > > > > http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2003/30.html > > Breadth and depth are separate issues. > > I agree that access to the network is important. I was struck by an > Indian activist's response I once heard to a British radical's dismissal > of the idea of access to the network for (e.g.) subsistence farmers. > Information such as weather reports is difficult to access in a timely > and efficient manner through other means. > > So, to be clear, I agree that the network needs to be (re)distributed > more evenly as a moral imperative (although we need to be very wary of > the consequences of that for surveillance and market overreach). > > But the abi
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
Try to avoid despair ... You didnt understand or You are again being CYNIC ? I hope not ... As I hope that too from the others Members of the list ... But it is prove ... As Far as i know everybody was work to do ... Do You think a British Citizen Will accept a country without a aerospatial program, i mean to very clear to You, Brasil is one of the countries without even a sattelite ... And remember G8 or G7 or G20 there are more than 200 countries in the World ... IPV6 is provisional Yes or no , If there is an exponential grow of the net there Will be no space, because i hope also that You as a specialist knows that the Internet is a space with a limited space ... ARE THE SPECIALISTS AVOIDING THAT SUBJECT ABOUT THE LIMITS Are the specialists AVOIDING in saying Who is going to Control each knowledge domain ??? WHO ARE THEY ??? NAMES , AGAIN NAMES , TELL WHO IS WHO in that new Control. Is the interview with Firefox CENSORED by the list , because it was in portuguese or because it was questioning the so called Open and free praticsed by The Google Imperium ? Funny the approval of the last message took very long, compared to others ... Very funny ! > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:02:36 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, > Intel)) must Die > > On 24/10/13 06:39 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Rob , first let me say you are a very good selector , nice links. > > Thank you. > > > But your kind of "funny ironic" answers ... some might say is CYNIC and > > we know that some persons fell confortable in that situation ... > > I try to avoid despair. > > > And the worst is the silence of the others members of the list, that is > > also syntomatic ... > > I imagine they have other work to do. > > > 1) Try to say to a British citizen in the 21st century that only 30% of > > the population has access to internet ?And that access is very expensive > > ??? So, be a little more serious on that subject , IT IS AN ABSURD !! No > > matter if it is "free" or not, because thats another discussion. But > > worst is a president that blame the others to appear as a "rebel" ... > > > > http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2003/30.html > > Breadth and depth are separate issues. > > I agree that access to the network is important. I was struck by an > Indian activist's response I once heard to a British radical's dismissal > of the idea of access to the network for (e.g.) subsistence farmers. > Information such as weather reports is difficult to access in a timely > and efficient manner through other means. > > So, to be clear, I agree that the network needs to be (re)distributed > more evenly as a moral imperative (although we need to be very wary of > the consequences of that for surveillance and market overreach). > > But the ability to use that access flexibly and efficiently (or > "freely") is important if winning that access is not to be a hollow victory. > > > 2) Tell a British citizen that his aerospatial program do not exist ??? > > Maybe is more easy to be """"free"""" with a aerospatial program like > > that ... > > I'm sorry, I don't understand this point. > > > 3) Tell a British citizen that the Internet is his country is dominated > > by an ICANN filliated that is a foundation of an ex dictator ? > > British citizens are very used to dictators being embraced by their > leadership, and for the most part I would imagine they still regard the > details of the DNS system as arcane and irrelevant to their everyday life. > > > 4) I am being very objective again, WHO WILL DETAIN THE DOMAIN CONTROL > > AND WHY ON IPV 6 ??? Nobody in the list knows that ? Who are deciding > > that in each field ? > > I assume it's still ICANN, with all the problems and possibilities and > alternatives that entails. > > > 5) F(r) ee , try to think on a philosophical level, on a consumer > > level, on an technological level ... and we are not even talking about > > FINAZISM ... > > As I say, I try to avoid despair. > > > 6) IPV6 is a provisory solution , what is being thought in that sense ??? > > I wasn't aware that IPv6 is provisional. It's taking long enough to > adopt it, so I don't know what would come next. I love meshnets, but > then I loved them in 2005. Some of the smarter people I know are moving > to Retroshare, but that's still over IP. > > > 6) If ICANN serve
[NetBehaviour] Is Android really open ? Andreas Gal (Firefox)
RIO - Depois de ter desafiado a Microsoft no segmento de navegadores ao criar o Firefox, há 11 anos, a Mozilla quer agora duelar com o Android, da Google. A organização sem fins lucrativos lançou no Brasil na terça-feira seu sistema operacional para celulares, o Firefox OS. Segundo o vice-presidente de mobilidade da fundação, Andreas Gal, o software tem como forte o fato de ser o único realmente aberto do mercado, já que “o Android é tudo menos aberto.” — O Android é muito diferente do quê a gente vem fazendo. A Google gosta de associar o sistema ao movimento open-source mas, na verdade, ele é tudo menos aberto. A tecnologia Android pertence completamente à Google. É a empresa que decide quais tecnologias estarão no sistema, e o código-fonte só e liberado depois que uma nova versão do sistema é lançada — afirma o executivo da Mozilla, cuja sede fica a poucos quilômetros do Googleplex, em Mountain View. — Somos diferentes porque não estamos em busca de lucros. Não temos acionistas, nossos acionistas são os usuários. De acordo com Gal, o que define o Firefox como aberto é o fato de absolutamente qualquer pessoa ou corporação poder contribuir para a construção do código, sejam os engenheiros da Telefônica, governos ou um adolescente com noções de programação. Além disso, o sistema permite a instalação de aplicativos diretamente da web, sem a necessidade de que sejam submetidos a uma loja de aplicativos. Na opinião de Gal, só a web é capaz de suprir satisfatoriamente a demanda dos usuários por conteúdo. Ele repete uma conta: enquanto existem 8 milhões de desenvolvedores de aplicações para web, há apenas algumas centenas de milhares trabalhando na criação de softwares para sistemas como o iOS (do iPhone). — Por que alguém do Brasil se submeteria a alguém de Cupertino (sede da Apple) ou de Mountain View para selecionar seu conteúdo? Em uma das primeiras vezes que estive no Brasil, comprei um telefone Android para experimentar como é o sistema aqui. Quando fui a loja de aplicativos, ficou claro pra mim que ela é gerida por uma empresa americana. A loja tinha todos os apps importantes... se você mora na Califórnia — disse o executivo, que é alemão e foi um dos criadores do Boot to Gecko, que se transformaria no Firefox OS. O Firefox OS chegou ao Brasil por meio de uma parceria com a Vivo, cujas lojas estão vendendo smartphones equipados com o sistema, o LG Fireweb e o Alcatel Onetouch Fire. Segundo Gal, o país está entre os mais importantes dos dez onde o software foi lançado: — O lançamento aqui não é qualquer um para nós, é muito especial. Estamos buscando um público que esteja fazendo a transição do celular antigo (feature phone) para smartphone, e o Brasil reúne esses consumidores. Muitas das características do sistema foram criadas pensando em brasileiros. Segundo Gal, representantes da Mozilla vieram diversas vezes ao país nos últimos dois anos para, em parceria com a Telefônica/Vivo, aprender sobre o mercado local. Entre as funções “brasileiras” do Firefox OS, disse ele, é uma que mede quantos dados já foram consumidos, “importante para os clientes de planos pré-pagos” — embora, a bem da verdade, mesmo o elitista iPhone faça isso. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
Rob , first let me say you are a very good selector , nice links. But your kind of "funny ironic" answers ... some might say is CYNIC and we know that some persons fell confortable in that situation ... And the worst is the silence of the others members of the list, that is also syntomatic ... 1) Try to say to a British citizen in the 21st century that only 30% of the population has access to internet ?And that access is very expensive ??? So, be a little more serious on that subject , IT IS AN ABSURD !! No matter if it is "free" or not, because thats another discussion. But worst is a president that blame the others to appear as a "rebel" ... http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2003/30.html 2) Tell a British citizen that his aerospatial program do not exist ??? Maybe is more easy to be """"free"""" with a aerospatial program like that ... 3) Tell a British citizen that the Internet is his country is dominated by an ICANN filliated that is a foundation of an ex dictator ? 4) I am being very objective again, WHO WILL DETAIN THE DOMAIN CONTROL AND WHY ON IPV 6 ??? Nobody in the list knows that ? Who are deciding that in each field ? 5) F(r) ee , try to think on a philosophical level, on a consumer level, on an technological level ... and we are not even talking about FINAZISM ... 6) IPV6 is a provisory solution , what is being thought in that sense ??? 6) If ICANN servers will move, will move to where ? > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:47:15 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, > Intel)) must Die > > On 14/10/13 11:34 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Finally they are moving from USA , but to where ? and why to those > > places ? Where are located the servers ? > > > > To Brasil ? A country number 65o of the world in digital acess ? With no > > national plan for wide internet acess all over the country with low > > rates ? Without supporting the Aerospatial program, without satellitte ? > > There's a difference between the existence of a resource and the freedom > to use it. Let them eat cake, etc. Access to a less free Internet is > less good than access to a more free Internet. > > This is not one dimensional, and that dimension is not access. > > > Remember to talk about that if the Conference is here in Rio de Janeiro. > > > > What did the Brazilian Defense Minister during the cyber attacks ??? And > > the National Intelligent Agency ? (Abin) It is a very easy position to > > blame the others ... > > It is. But it's much less easy to move away from American domination of > the Internet, and that this is happening is an unprecedented shift. > > > Most of the Internet Administration in Brasil is in a Foundation of a > > President that was a Dictator in Brasil, how that ? When i was acessing > > Internet in the 90s before www, it was in the hands of one of the most > > respectfull Ngo from Brasil. > > That is disturbing. Is there anything that people outside Brazil can do > about this? > > > AGAIN WHO WILL DETAIN THE DOMAIN CONTROL IN EACH SECTOR AND WHY ARE THEY > > ELECTED TO DO SO??? > > If ICANN is a problem (and many people believe that it is) there are > alternatives. We can use those and work for reform. > > > You surrounded by monopolies and still think you are f(r)ee ??? > > I'm implicated in many economic and moral problems, the same as everyone > else. To the extent that the software I use can be used and modified > without unjust restriction, that is a rare area of freedom. If anyone is > naive enough to think that is anywhere near enough I've not met them. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] IsIs Android really open ??? Argues Andreas Gal (Firefox) in portuguese
RIO - Depois de ter desafiado a Microsoft no segmento de navegadores ao criar o Firefox, há 11 anos, a Mozilla quer agora duelar com o Android, da Google. A organização sem fins lucrativos lançou no Brasil na terça-feira seu sistema operacional para celulares, o Firefox OS. Segundo o vice-presidente de mobilidade da fundação, Andreas Gal, o software tem como forte o fato de ser o único realmente aberto do mercado, já que “o Android é tudo menos aberto.” — O Android é muito diferente do quê a gente vem fazendo. A Google gosta de associar o sistema ao movimento open-source mas, na verdade, ele é tudo menos aberto. A tecnologia Android pertence completamente à Google. É a empresa que decide quais tecnologias estarão no sistema, e o código-fonte só e liberado depois que uma nova versão do sistema é lançada — afirma o executivo da Mozilla, cuja sede fica a poucos quilômetros do Googleplex, em Mountain View. — Somos diferentes porque não estamos em busca de lucros. Não temos acionistas, nossos acionistas são os usuários. De acordo com Gal, o que define o Firefox como aberto é o fato de absolutamente qualquer pessoa ou corporação poder contribuir para a construção do código, sejam os engenheiros da Telefônica, governos ou um adolescente com noções de programação. Além disso, o sistema permite a instalação de aplicativos diretamente da web, sem a necessidade de que sejam submetidos a uma loja de aplicativos. Na opinião de Gal, só a web é capaz de suprir satisfatoriamente a demanda dos usuários por conteúdo. Ele repete uma conta: enquanto existem 8 milhões de desenvolvedores de aplicações para web, há apenas algumas centenas de milhares trabalhando na criação de softwares para sistemas como o iOS (do iPhone). — Por que alguém do Brasil se submeteria a alguém de Cupertino (sede da Apple) ou de Mountain View para selecionar seu conteúdo? Em uma das primeiras vezes que estive no Brasil, comprei um telefone Android para experimentar como é o sistema aqui. Quando fui a loja de aplicativos, ficou claro pra mim que ela é gerida por uma empresa americana. A loja tinha todos os apps importantes... se você mora na Califórnia — disse o executivo, que é alemão e foi um dos criadores do Boot to Gecko, que se transformaria no Firefox OS. O Firefox OS chegou ao Brasil por meio de uma parceria com a Vivo, cujas lojas estão vendendo smartphones equipados com o sistema, o LG Fireweb e o Alcatel Onetouch Fire. Segundo Gal, o país está entre os mais importantes dos dez onde o software foi lançado: — O lançamento aqui não é qualquer um para nós, é muito especial. Estamos buscando um público que esteja fazendo a transição do celular antigo (feature phone) para smartphone, e o Brasil reúne esses consumidores. Muitas das características do sistema foram criadas pensando em brasileiros. Segundo Gal, representantes da Mozilla vieram diversas vezes ao país nos últimos dois anos para, em parceria com a Telefônica/Vivo, aprender sobre o mercado local. Entre as funções “brasileiras” do Firefox OS, disse ele, é uma que mede quantos dados já foram consumidos, “importante para os clientes de planos pré-pagos” — embora, a bem da verdade, mesmo o elitista iPhone faça isso. Leia mais sobre esse assunto em http://oglobo.globo.com/tecnologia/o-android-tudo-menos-aberto-alfineta-executivo-por-tras-do-firefox-os-10524908#ixzz2igtmuPXZ © 1996 - 2013. Todos direitos reservados a Infoglobo Comunicação e Participações S.A. Este material não pode ser publicado, transmitido por broadcast, reescrito ou redistribuído sem autorização. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand?
Software it is just one part of the electronic surveillance that is just part of the tech developments. The world is going on the Second World CyberWar and the victims are Manning, Assange and Snowden. And off course ,UK parliament, David Cameron, Obama and all the "world" leaders in SILENCE ! Wikileaks x Governments + Enterprises + FINAZISM And it is not a "free" software that will solve the problem. We are under the Netopticon and surveillance are much more bigger than that, he as an American knows how many Militar Bases and agents are from USA all over the world. He as an american knows about war, tech developments, patents and control. How many security itens has an American Passport ? Incredible not a single word about Moore Laws and the need to keep Pace with the latest technology ? And in that sense software is just a follower ... "To make journalism and democracy safe, we must limit the accumulation of data that is easily accessible to the state" Not a single word about Amazon Monopoly ? Or do you think that they are not sharing data with NSA ? When Wikileaks were under attack, all those monopolies like credit cards and others acted together with USA goverment ... Does the British from this list use Iris recognition on the airport ? And that is happenning only in London airport ? Surveillance = Dominance = Surveillance = Dominance USA NATO war machine does not stop ... > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:10:12 +0100 > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand? > > How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand? > > Richard Stallman | Wired.com. > > Editor’s Note: Given Richard Stallman’s longtime role in promoting > software that respects user freedom (including GNU, which just turned > 30), his suggested “remedies” for all the ways technology can be > re-designed to provide benefits while avoiding surveillance — like the > smart meters example he shares below — seem particularly relevant. > > The current level of general surveillance in society is incompatible > with human rights. To recover our freedom and restore democracy, we must > reduce surveillance to the point where it is possible for whistleblowers > of all kinds to talk with journalists without being spotted. To do this > reliably, we must reduce the surveillance capacity of the systems we use. > > Using free/libre software, as I’ve advocated for 30 years, is the first > step in taking control of our digital lives. We can’t trust non-free > software; the NSA uses and even creates security weaknesses in non-free > software so as to invade our own computers and routers. Free software > gives us control of our own computers, but that won’t protect our > privacy once we set foot on the internet. > > Bipartisan legislation to “curtail the domestic surveillance powers” in > the U.S. is being drawn up, but it relies on limiting the government’s > use of our virtual dossiers. That won’t suffice to protect > whistleblowers if “catching the whistleblower” is grounds for access > sufficient to identify him or her. We need to go further. > > http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/10/a-necessary-evil-what-it-takes-for-democracy-to-survive-surveillance/ > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
Finally they are moving from USA , but to where ? and why to those places ? Where are located the servers ? To Brasil ? A country number 65o of the world in digital acess ? With no national plan for wide internet acess all over the country with low rates ? Without supporting the Aerospatial program, without satellitte ? Remember to talk about that if the Conference is here in Rio de Janeiro. What did the Brazilian Defense Minister during the cyber attacks ??? And the National Intelligent Agency ? (Abin) It is a very easy position to blame the others ... Most of the Internet Administration in Brasil is in a Foundation of a President that was a Dictator in Brasil, how that ? When i was acessing Internet in the 90s before www, it was in the hands of one of the most respectfull Ngo from Brasil. AGAIN WHO WILL DETAIN THE DOMAIN CONTROL IN EACH SECTOR AND WHY ARE THEY ELECTED TO DO SO??? You surrounded by monopolies and still think you are f(r)ee ??? > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:57:07 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, > Intel)) must Die > > On 14/10/13 09:49 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > and there is also this ... lots of monopolies in each sector ... > > > > 1)on a consumer level ( Intel dictatorship for microprocessors with > > Moore Law, Adobe as graphic monopoly (who owns Bezier patent ), > > Bezier curves were first widely used at Renault in the 60s. Any patents > on them (and they are by definition mathematics, which is unpatentable) > would be long expired. > > I like Beziers, although they can be a pain. > > > Apple as new major for music and their monopoly in terms of video and > > cinema, Microsoft text softwares,Google as a search engine, Epson and Hp > > for printers, etc and etc) > > Two companies would be a duopoly. Illegal monopolies are a specific > market and moral failure, legal monopolies are a grant of or > acquiescence to coercion by the state. > > The irony of Apple and Amazon's monopoly positions in music and ebooks > is that it was publishers' desire for DRM monopolies that put them in > that position. Like the GPL turning copyright's strength against itself, > only in a bad way. > > > 2) on the admnistration level ( ICANN dictatorship and their respective > > agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls, etc and etc) who > > wil detain the control of each domain ? and why ??? there is a need in > > knowing that !!! > > This chimes with 2 below. In addition to the P2P and anti-censorship DNS > I think I mentioned last time, this has just happened: > > http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/ > > > 3) on the industrial technological level ( satellites, telecoms, etc and > > etc) > > This chimes with 3 below. It depends whether we are talking about the > creation of material resources (capitalism or socialism or their > ironizations), access to resources (legislation and organization), or > the knowledge to create and use them (access to intellectual property, > education, etc.). > > > 4) on the philosofical level : what is to be free ? > > Human subjects. With apologies to transhumanists, otherkin, and object > oriented brolosophers. > > > 1)on a consummer level ( Intel dictatorship for microprocessors, Apple > > as new major for music and their monopoly in terms of video and cinema, > > microsoft text softwares, etc and etc) > > I mentioned free processor cores before. There is a kickstarter on for a > free GPU core at the moment. And we're seeing more and more Arduino and > Raspberry Pi-like free or near-free computing machinery. > > > 2) on the admnistration level ( ICANN dictatorship and their respective > > agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls, etc and etc) > > See 2 above. > > > 3) on the industrial technological level ( satellites, telecoms, etc and > > etc) > > See 3 above. > > I think that monopolies are a specific phenomenon and some of the > problems you identify are certainly monopolies. Others are softer in > structure but no less hard politically. Cartels and oligarchies all the > way down to structurelessness and nudge politics. > > "What's the solution? Noise polution!" - PWEI. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe, HP, Google, Intel)) must Die
and there is also this ... lots of monopolies in each sector ... 1)on a consumer level ( Intel dictatorship for microprocessors with Moore Law, Adobe as graphic monopoly (who owns Bezier patent ), Apple as new major for music and their monopoly in terms of video and cinema, Microsoft text softwares,Google as a search engine, Epson and Hp for printers, etc and etc) 2) on the admnistration level ( ICANN dictatorship and their respective agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls, etc and etc) who wil detain the control of each domain ? and why ??? there is a need in knowing that !!! 3) on the industrial technological level ( satellites, telecoms, etc and etc) 4) on the philosofical level : what is to be free ? From: dudava...@hotmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:53:15 + Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die and there is also this ... lots of monopolies in each sector ... 1)on a consummer level ( Intel dictatorship for microprocessors, Apple as new major for music and their monopoly in terms of video and cinema, microsoft text softwares, etc and etc) 2) on the admnistration level ( ICANN dictatorship and their respective agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls, etc and etc) 3) on the industrial technological level ( satellites, telecoms, etc and etc) > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:22:14 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die > > On 14/10/13 02:42 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Microsoft is monopoly in terms of texts softwares > > Indeed. > > > Apple is a monopoly too in terms of video and film industry and must die too > > Remember when it was Avid? Or Adobe? > > > Apple is a new musical major ? > > Garage Band, iTunes Music Store, iTunes, iPod. > > A closed circle of consumption... > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die
and there is also this ... lots of monopolies in each sector ... 1)on a consummer level ( Intel dictatorship for microprocessors, Apple as new major for music and their monopoly in terms of video and cinema, microsoft text softwares, etc and etc) 2) on the admnistration level ( ICANN dictatorship and their respective agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls, etc and etc) 3) on the industrial technological level ( satellites, telecoms, etc and etc) > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:22:14 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die > > On 14/10/13 02:42 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Microsoft is monopoly in terms of texts softwares > > Indeed. > > > Apple is a monopoly too in terms of video and film industry and must die too > > Remember when it was Avid? Or Adobe? > > > Apple is a new musical major ? > > Garage Band, iTunes Music Store, iTunes, iPod. > > A closed circle of consumption... > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die
Microsoft is monopoly in terms of texts softwares Apple is a monopoly too in terms of video and film industry and must die too Apple is a new musical major ? Customize dont get a way with the ideia of files ... > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:30:41 -0700 > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die > > On 14/10/13 12:44 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Microsoft must die ? > > Preferably, but in this case it's specifically Microsoft Word, a > specific piece of software originally created for the Macintosh. > > Stross explains the aesthetic and ethical problems with Word quite > clearly. It has a poorly thought out document model due to executive > marketing decisions, and forms a monopoly on document exchange that has > killed many more promising developments. > > Given this, its ongoing dominance is undeserved and an end to it would > be beneficial. > > > If you are now saying that thanks to the popularization of the > > "personal" computers by enterprises such IBM, Microsoft and Apple ... > > Do you want Adobe to die to ? > > Maybe it should ... > > It is. > > Flash is gone and Free alternatives to Creative Suite are becoming less > painful all the time. Adobe's copies of software from Xerox and Quantel > really have had their day. > > > Do you want the Gimp and others that emulates Adobe and Microsoft to die > > too ? > > > > The problem is that computers want to emulate paper ? Why ? And why the > > GUis are so shitty ? > > If the problem is the paradigm of office productivity applications then > possibly. Gimp et al have a different moral and affordative character > from Word or PhotoShop however. > > > Software is a product or a service ? In that sense all the products are > > quite bad ... > > It depends how it is used. SaaS is a thing, as is the subscription model > Adobe and Microsoft are desperate to move to. > > > Computers Programmers must think about Workshops on Customizing Programs ... > > Yes that's a very positive step. As is using software the user is Free > to modify all the way down. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word (and Adobe) must Die
Microsoft must die ? If you are now saying that thanks to the popularization of the "personal" computers by enterprises such IBM, Microsoft and Apple ... Do you want Adobe to die to ? Maybe it should ... Do you want the Gimp and others that emulates Adobe and Microsoft to die too ? The problem is that computers want to emulate paper ? Why ? And why the GUis are so shitty ? Software is a product or a service ? In that sense all the products are quite bad ... Computers Programmers must think about Workshops on Customizing Programs ... > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:52:29 +0100 > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Why Microsoft Word must Die > > Why Microsoft Word must Die > > By Charlie Stross > > I hate Microsoft Word. I want Microsoft Word to die. I hate Microsoft > Word with a burning, fiery passion. I hate Microsoft Word the way > Winston Smith hated Big Brother. Our reasons are, alarmingly, not > dissimilar ... > > Microsoft Word is a tyrant of the imagination, a petty, unimaginative, > inconsistent dictator that is ill-suited to any creative writer's use. > Worse: it is a near-monopolist, dominating the word processing field. > Its pervasive near-monopoly status has brainwashed software developers > to such an extent that few can imagine a word processing tool that > exists as anything other than as a shallow imitation of the Redmond > Behemoth. But what exactly is wrong with it? > > http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/10/why-microsoft-word-must-die.html > > > -- > ---> > > A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood - > proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;) > > Other reviews,articles,interviews > http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php > > Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing, > discussing and learning about experimental practices at the > intersections of art, technology and social change. > http://www.furtherfield.org > > Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London). > http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery > > Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community. > http://www.netbehaviour.org > > http://identi.ca/furtherfield > http://twitter.com/furtherfield > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Nobel Peace Prize ?
Hiroshima (1945), Nagasaki (1945), Guatemala(1954), Dominicana (1965), Chile (1974), Vietnam (1975), Granada (1983), Panama (1989), Colombia (1992), Kosovo (1999), Afeganistão (2002), Iraque (2003), Haiti (2004), Líbia (2012), Síria (2013) ??? USA NATO AUDIENCE AND WAR MACHINE http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/01/united-states-time-has-come-ban-landmines Hoping also Uk parliament , FREE ASSANGE !!! http://www.infowars.com/uk-parliament-votes-no-to-war-with-syria/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt!
Change your t-shirt for: FINAZISM ! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:42:52 +0100 From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt! Hi Bob, I like the alternatives - will explore :-0 marc Marc, What might help is a better alternative. How about changing the slogan to "SUCKISM: It's Neoliberal!!" ? [SUCKISM - an economic system that's Stupid, Unsustainable, Corrupt and Kills]. Bob From: marc garrett To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 22:50 Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt! Hi Bob, Well, every little bit helps ;-) marc Marc, Nice colour... but 'Neoliberalism' is an ugly label. Whoever invented it hasn't done anyone a favour. In oppositional culture and politics labels make all the difference. The 'Greens' get it, the 'Anarcho-syndicalists' don't. Critiquing Neoliberalism "ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow." Bob From: marc garrett To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 17:07 Subject: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt! ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ---> A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood - proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;) Other reviews,articles,interviews http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing, discussing and learning about experimental practices at the intersections of art, technology and social change. http://www.furtherfield.org Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London). http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community. http://www.netbehaviour.org http://identi.ca/furtherfield http://twitter.com/furtherfield ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- ---> A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood - proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;) Other reviews,articles,interviews http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing, discussing and learning about experimental practices at the intersections of art, technology and social change. http://www.furtherfield.org Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London). http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery Netbehaviour - Networked Artists L
[NetBehaviour] IPV6 and Control of .ART
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[NetBehaviour] IPV6 and their domains Control
Can someone explain the domains Control in the IPV6 is there any changes or we Still under ICANN DICTATORSHIP ? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] FINAZISM and ART
FINAZISM and ART IACCCA brings together some 40 curators of corporate art collections in order to reflect on the specificities of individual collections. IACCCA is a platform for the curators to share best practice and insights on challenges and opportunities facing corporate collectors (e.g. staff buy-in and employee engagement and education, legitimacy in times of crisis, positioning within corporate social responsibility…). Initiatives include privileged exposure to other collections and collectors' expertise, reciprocal visits of collections' storage facilities, networking amongst a peer group, and strengthening communications power. There are also highly valuable technical sessions to share specialist expertise (e.g. on conservation and restoration issues, relations with stakeholders…). IACCCA members, March 2013 Corporate collections represented by their serving director or curator: Austria: Erste Group/ERSTE Foundation, EVN AG; Belgium: Belfius Banque, Belgacom, ING Belgium, Lhoist Group, National Bank of Belgium; Brazil: Itaú Unibanco Bank; Canada: Banque nationale du Canada; France: Fondation Cartier pour l'art contemporain, HSBC France, Neuflize Vie, Norac, Société Générale; Germany: Deutsche Bank AG, DZ Bank, European Patent Office; Japan: Shiseido; Luxembourg: European Investment Bank; Morocco: Attijariwafa Bank; Netherlands: AMC, De Nederlandsche Bank, ING Bank, Rabobank Nederland, Rabo Real Estate Group; Norway: Statoil; Portugal: Banco Espirito Santo; South Africa: Standard Bank; Spain: Bergé & Cia, Fundación Banco Santander, Fundació "La Caixa," Fundación Mapfre; Switzerland: Banque Pictet, BSI SA, Nationale Suisse; Turkey: Borusan Holding; UK: Fidelity Worldwide Investment. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Links
http://www.hatjecantz.de/controller.php?cmd=detail&titzif=2025 > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:20:12 +0100 > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Links > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for your recent list to the ahem, list ;-) > > I was reading this article -- Will self-piloting vehicles rob us of the > last of our privacy and autonomy? > http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/10/googles-driverless-future > > I have been reading much about algorithms lately. By definition, > algorithms are a set of rules used for solving a set of problems. Yet, > if we consider the social aspects regarding how algorithms are used to > assess our behaviours, things get awkward and a bit hazy. Studying the > use of algorithms according to millions of users on the Web, has become > a kind of dark art. > > I found this paragraph from the article interesting --- > > "The driverless car, in short, is a data detective’s dream, a device > that can discern when you get a new job, how many one-night stands you > have, how often you go to the dentist. As demarcation lines between the > real world and the virtual world continue to blur, autonomous cars will > function not so much as browsers but links, the way we get from one > appointment or transaction opportunity to the next. In theory, Google > will determine the route to your desired destination based on distance, > available infrastructure, and current traffic conditions. But what if > Google, which already filters cyberspace for you, begins choosing routes > as a way of putting you in proximity to “relevant content”?" > > I'm wondering what yourself and others think about this, whether anyone > is sceptical about how algorithms are being used or if anyone has a more > positive stance on matter? > > chat soon. > > marc > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] FINAZISM
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Lawrence Lessig: We the People, and the Republic we must reclaim.
Thats so new ... But ask if he had supported Jill Stein ... USA and most of democracies are political marketing and lobbie$$$ ... Better only a ngo supported by an internet enterprise capitalistic monopoly ... > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:52:21 +0100 > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Lawrence Lessig: We the People, and the > Republic we must reclaim. > > Lawrence Lessig: We the People, and the Republic we must reclaim. > > There is a corruption at the heart of American politics, caused by the > dependence of Congressional candidates on funding from the tiniest > percentage of citizens. That's the argument at the core of this > blistering talk by legal scholar Lawrence Lessig. With rapid-fire > visuals, he shows how the funding process weakens the Republic in the > most fundamental way, and issues a rallying bipartisan cry that will > resonate with many in the U.S. and beyond. > > http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html > > > marc > > > -- > ---> > > A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood - > proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;) > > Other reviews,articles,interviews > http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php > > Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing, > discussing and learning about experimental practices at the > intersections of art, technology and social change. > http://www.furtherfield.org > > Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London). > http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery > > Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community. > http://www.netbehaviour.org > > http://identi.ca/furtherfield > http://twitter.com/furtherfield > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral
Rob it is incredible how your focus is on the machine, but to make those machines get connected there is and are a infra structure that is NOT neutral, equal and free. It seems completely naif and stupid to mantain these position under these condition. I know your work and Futherfield and admire it but there is a gap between on what you think and the digital condition. Monopolies, Programmed obsolescence and you thinking that you are free ... Google the monopolies of search engines, huge enterprise and you are happy that they support "free" software... ICANN Dictatorship in the Merchant order city and you think that everything is fine... > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:09:41 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital > techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 00:17:00 +, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > But the software to run needs a microprocessor > > There are technological: > > http://opencores.org > > and social answers to this: > > http://www.furtherfield.org/zerodollarlaptop/ > > as I have already mentioned. > > > thats why advocates > > for free like others enterprises is the same shit strategy ... > > Free Software ensures that you are as free to use the software in > itself as is possible. Open Source ensures that free enterprise can lock > you out of microprocessors that you own. > > > Google also says that Internet is free... > > They support its freedom where it supports them: > > https://www.google.com/takeaction/ > > > ICANN Dictatorship also says Internet is free ... > > The Internet both is and is not free. What is certain is that what > freedom there is is under threat. In the face of this we should not cede > the concept of freedom to organisations that misrepresent it, and > certainly not in favour of their own marketing speak. > > Innovating Open Source solutions to realtime marketization is not a > clearer objective than protecting the freedom of individuals to use > software. > > For those of you on the list who have read this far, here's a song - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb_Uu0eTNWk > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral
But the software to run needs a microprocessor thats why advocates for free like others enterprises is the same shit strategy ... Google also says that Internet is free... ICANN Dictatorship also says Internet is free ... > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:21:10 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital > techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral > > On 03/03/13 06:02, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Liberty, Wich Liberty ? > > Well in this instance the liberty of individuals to use software. > > Which is better protected by Free Software than "Open Source", which is > a vapid corporate marketing term created specifically to appropriate the > economic value of Free Software while ignoring its ethical concern with > the freedom of all users. > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral
Liberty, Wich Liberty ? > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:11:55 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital > techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral > > On 01/03/13 22:04, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > It is not matter of a dicothomic value, it is a question of a condition > > and since it is a condition we must evaluate these condition and how > > they are presented to people. > > People have evaluated this condition, worked out how to address it, and > long since started doing so. > > > It is ridiculous to say no to the advances, > > Saying no to advances in oppression doesn't seem particularly ridiculous. > > > but we must think in a way > > that there is a more equal and balanced situation. > > Equal between what? > > Balanced between what? > > Which situation? > > You are arguing against liberty in the language of corporate enclosure. > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral
It is not matter of a dicothomic value, it is a question of a condition and since it is a condition we must evaluate these condition and how they are presented to people. It is ridiculous to say no to the advances, but we must think in a way that there is a more equal and balanced situation. > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:15:44 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital > techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:44:05 +, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2013-02-27-berardi-fr.html > > http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2010-03-18-lovink-en.html > > http://www.internetworldstats.com/list3.htm > > If the net, digital technology, software etc. aren't > free/equal/neutral, and are in fact means of oppression, then "access" > to them is a bad thing. > > This is part of Stallman's argument from the description of his talk. > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] For the ones that Thinks internet , digital techs, software , etc and etc are f(r)ee , equal and neutral
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - and spread the word!
In that sense both are equal when advocates for free ... > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:53:27 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - > and spread the word! > > On 28/02/13 16:39, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > It is a digital condition and there acess must increase with inequalties > > because it is a condition. > > Wut? > > > But the ethics to impose OLD techs in order to the center to run , is so > > OLD ... > > Wut? > > > History repeating ... > > There is a quality of farce. > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - and spread the word!
It is a digital condition and there acess must increase with inequalties because it is a condition. But the ethics to impose OLD techs in order to the center to run , is so OLD ... History repeating ... > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:06:39 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - > and spread the word! > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:21:06 +, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Are you aware of the digital acess data in the > > world ? > > This is a matter of ethics, not demographics. > > If digital technology is a net harm to people, increasing access to it > is not a good thing. > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - and spread the word!
There is no inclusion when it is a condition ... Free ? during times of colonization of real time by enterprises ? Digital Society ? Are you aware of the digital acess data in the world ? > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:12:43 + > From: dave.miller...@gmail.com > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman lecture - please come along - and > spread the word! > > RIMAD Special Guest Lecture - Richard Stallman > > Title: "A Free Digital Society" > > Date: > Wednesday 20 March from 18:00 to 21:00 > > Place: > Ian Dixon Lecture theatre - room A004, Luton campus, University of > Bedfordshire > > "A Free Digital Society" > Activities directed at "including" more people in the use of digital > technology are predicated on the assumption that such inclusion is > invariably a good thing. It appears so, when judged solely by > immediate practical convenience. However, if we also judge in terms > of human rights, whether digital inclusion is good or bad depends on > what kind of digital world we are to be included in. If we wish to > work towards digital inclusion as a goal, it behooves us to make sure > it is the good kind. > > > Brief biography: > Dr. Richard Stallman launched the free software movement in 1983 and > started the development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) > in 1984. GNU is free software: everyone has the freedom to copy it > and redistribute it, with or without changes. The GNU/Linux system, > basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens > of millions of computers today. sStallman has received the ACM Grace > Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic > Frontier Foundation's Pioneer Award, and the the Takeda Award for > Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. > http://www.stallman.org > > For further info: > Please contact Dave Miller (david.mil...@beds.ac.uk) > Twitter: @rimadresearch > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Humor on net neutrality and symetry
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman talk at University of Bedfordshire - Wednesday 20 March from 18:00 to 21:00
Is it Apple the new Microsoft ? And How about Google Imperium ? What can be the role of software under a digital condition and FINAZISM ? What is Your opinion about the raise of Pirate Party in Sweden and now in Germany ? Do You invest in Nasdaq NYC ? After digital, What ? http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MsoGMT49v_o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMsoGMT49v_o&gl=BR > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:41:22 + > From: dave.miller...@gmail.com > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman talk at University of Bedfordshire - > Wednesday 20 March from 18:00 to 21:00 > > Everyone is welcome to come to the talk. I'll send out proper publicity soon. > Also, Richard is asking me what topic should he talk on? I'd be very > grateful for any suggestions. Maybe this week's exchange of opinions > on free software shows this is a good one to start with! > thanks, dave > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman talk at University of Bedfordshire - Wednesday 20 March from 18:00 to 21:00
How can You use the term free ? Do You Really think internet is free ? How can You think about a free software If this is connected to a wider System ? Open source for Who ? Why Open softwares emulates Adobe and use the same GUI ? Why not inovatte and takes risk ? Is that true that Open source Still around just because is cheaper to enterprises and goverments ? Why most of the people that are for Open source are not for Open Data ? Do You think that After the suicide of Aaaron Schwartz , Elsevier MIT and others Will praticse Open data ? What do You think about Moore, programmed obsolescence and Intel DICTATORSHIP ? In that Context How can you advocates or talk about freedom ? What is Your vision about the ICANN DICTATORSHIP and Control ? Are You aware of data in relation to Internet acess in the World ? If so How can You see the situation of periféric countries receiving OLD technologies from the center ? Do You believe that Internet is neutral, equal and free ? > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:41:22 + > From: dave.miller...@gmail.com > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Richard Stallman talk at University of Bedfordshire - > Wednesday 20 March from 18:00 to 21:00 > > Everyone is welcome to come to the talk. I'll send out proper publicity soon. > Also, Richard is asking me what topic should he talk on? I'd be very > grateful for any suggestions. Maybe this week's exchange of opinions > on free software shows this is a good one to start with! > thanks, dave > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
Art, Language and Context ...
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:20:35 -0800
From: szp...@yahoo.com
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
HI Eduardo
personally I can imagine few discussions that aren't enlivened and improved by
the presence of humour.
There are some but a discussion about software & nomenclature is decidedly not
one of them.
cheers
michael
From: Eduardo Valle
To: "netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org"
Sent: Saturday, February
23, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
I wonder why the people make jokes when hear the words "free" software ...
From: mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:00:36 +
To: szp...@yahoo.com; netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
Free Ruth Catlows for the price of fun?
On 23 Feb 2013, at 12:56, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
From: ruth catlow
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I am free, two, one!
On 22/02/2013 15:40, James Morris wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UxCOP22vus
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Eduardo Valle wrote:
>> Moore , Intel DICTATORSHIP and Programmed obsolescence told me that
>> You F(R) EE . Thats Why more and more there is descredit and jokes
>> about the the very free software movement. But Thats ok let them be
>> the same as others that advocates for Internet and Freedom ...
>> Probabilidade they are the same ... Rob, UK is not part of EUROPE ?
>> Island mentality... The British Emp?re and the fans Monarchy and the
>> Queen... ?t. Least that in Brasil does not exist as Strong as in
>> EUROPE ...
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:31:44 +
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>>> To:
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>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:19:56 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
>>>> Don't forget me too! Free! To be ignored! To be dismissed! These
>>>> are my freedoms! I earnt them! My data on this is open!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljbcRu3tiU
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>>> - Rob.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
I wonder why the people make jokes when hear the words "free" software ... From: mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:00:36 + To: szp...@yahoo.com; netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too Free Ruth Catlows for the price of fun? On 23 Feb 2013, at 12:56, Michael Szpakowski wrote: From: ruth catlow To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too I am free, two, one! On 22/02/2013 15:40, James Morris wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UxCOP22vus > > > > > > On 22/02/13 Eduardo Valle wrote: >> Moore , Intel DICTATORSHIP and Programmed obsolescence told me that >> You F(R) EE . Thats Why more and more there is descredit and jokes >> about the the very free software movement. But Thats ok let them be >> the same as others that advocates for Internet and Freedom ... >> Probabilidade they are the same ... Rob, UK is not part of EUROPE ? >> Island mentality... The British Emp?re and the fans Monarchy and the >> Queen... ?t. Least that in Brasil does not exist as Strong as in >> EUROPE ... >> >>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:31:44 + >>> From: r...@robmyers.org >>> To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too >>> >>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:19:56 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: >>>> Don't forget me too! Free! To be ignored! To be dismissed! These >>>> are my freedoms! I earnt them! My data on this is open! >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljbcRu3tiU >>> >>> - Rob. >>> >>> ___ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
I can see lots of particle accelerators in África ... But as transnational institutions they have their tentacles , they are international very international in this global World Look there is a Sir on the list ... Tell me more about that Sir culture from desunited Kingdom .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Directors_General_of_CERN If You want data ... > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:51:38 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too > > On 22/02/13 20:10, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Apple is the new Microsoft... > > I've mentioned Apple's hardware lockdown on iOS, and how free software > tackles this. Open source doesn't. > > Even on MacOS X, Apple use free software as an economic resource without > adding to the freedom of its users. > > Microsoft are not dead yet, and their campaign against free software and > in favour of open source for precisely the reasons the term was > originally created still continues. > > > Microsoft is Looking át. Kinetic > > CERN headquarters is in EUROPE and as Far as David Cameron did not > > separate yet Desunited Kingdom is Still in EUROPE no ? Or Maybe it is > > just a Queen Possession ... > > I'm not sure where I've argued otherwise. The Queen does own all the > land in the UK though. > > CERN is not the only particle physics lab in the world. There are > particle physics labs in Africa. That this is inconvenient for both > colonialist and anti-colonialist ideology is interesting. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkTQUtx818w > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
Apple is the new Microsoft... Microsoft is Looking át. Kinetic CERN headquarters is in EUROPE and as Far as David Cameron did not separate yet Desunited Kingdom is Still in EUROPE no ? Or Maybe it is just a Queen Possession ... > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:47:20 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:07:34 +0000, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Moore , Intel DICTATORSHIP and Programmed obsolescence told me that > > You F(R) EE . > > http://opencores.org/ > > > Thats Why more and more there is descredit and jokes about the the > > very free software movement. > > Microsoft get what they pay for. > > > But Thats ok let them be the same as others that advocates for > > Internet and Freedom ... Probabilidade they are the same ... > > Rob, UK is not part of EUROPE ? Island mentality... > > My point was that within the EU, there are places that CERN isn't. > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too
Moore , Intel DICTATORSHIP and Programmed obsolescence told me that You F(R) EE . Thats Why more and more there is descredit and jokes about the the very free software movement. But Thats ok let them be the same as others that advocates for Internet and Freedom ... Probabilidade they are the same ... Rob, UK is not part of EUROPE ? Island mentality... The British Empíre and the fans Monarchy and the Queen... Át. Least that in Brasil does not exist as Strong as in EUROPE ... > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:31:44 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] I am free too > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:19:56 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: > > Don't forget me too! Free! To be ignored! To be dismissed! These are > > my freedoms! I earnt them! My data on this is open! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljbcRu3tiU > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
Rob for shure You are free and i hope You also praticse OPEN DATA , because lots that claims for free and Open source dont even praticse OPEN DATA ... Moore , Intel Dictatorship and programmed obsolescence saíd that all softwares are free !!! > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:01:30 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:08:46 +0000, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Open and Free are not meaningless in this context, because the > > Free certainly is not meaningless. Open, on the other hand, is *meaning > destroying*. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software#The_launch_of_Open_Source > > "Those people who adopted the term used the opportunity before the > release of Navigator's source code to free themselves of the ideological > and confrontational connotations of the term "free software"." > > > context is that software is just part of a system , so NOT understand > > this or pass the idea > > that software is detach from the system is to think that people as > > stupid, like other enterprises. > > I am not claiming that software is detached from the rest of the > system. "The system" is not however an undifferentiated mulch of our > projected resentments. > > Within and alongside "the system" one may be more or less free at one > time or another. Free Software supports our individual freedom. Open > Source obscures this and reduces that freedom to an economic potlatch > between corporations and economic volunteers, deliberately so. > > > Innovation is private appropriation of publicly funded research. NOT > > always, and for irony, you know how many softwares are created > > without > > any help. > > Not in the case of the examples of innovation that we have discussed. > > The WIMP GUI was developed at SRI at the time when it was still > attached to Stanford University. XEROX PARC developed it, Apple stole > it, and then Microsoft copied Apple to the point where some of the first > windows APIs look very familiar to the Mac Toolbox ones. > > Adobe's core product, PostScript, was also copied from a PARC project. > > It's not ironic that many personal projects are created to "scratch an > itch", but there has been very little coding ex nihilo since the 1940s. > > And "innovation" is still part of the self-mythologizing and apologia > of corporations. > > > Emulation and still think on software as files and emulation of paper > > is stagnation. > > I've explained both the value of this strategy and that it has been > superceded. I repeat: > > Familiarity helps users to migrate from proprietary software. > > "Innovation" in the GUI can be seen in all the current Free Software > desktops, and has faced some hostility from users.. > > > By the way, software is a product or a service ? > > It's mathematics. > > Writing software is labour. Using it is a means. > > > Free software is not unpaid specially for enterprises so ... > > Then its cost cannot be entirely key to its adoption by corporations > and governments. > > > You must have in mind some things: > > > > a) Technology is NOT NEUTRAL and NOT FREE and thats no difference in > > Digital Technology and Internet > > Technology can be positive or negative for individual freedom. > > > [...] > > > > d) how the geopolitical control is related to enterprises each one > > dominating one field related to the geopolitical control > > and the digital condition > > > > Facebook network control > > Linkedin professional control > > Google -- search control > > Apple creative control > > Amazon --- publishers control > > Microsoft enterprises control > > ICANN - traffic control > > Intel - speed control > > Linux - open source control > > Which part of "open source" does the Linux kernel "control" and how??? > > (Amazon is basically the privatization of "the market", btw. Which > disproves some absurdist critiques of capitalism...) > > > We can go on talking about telecom tech, financing and stockchanges > > softwares systems (FINAZISM), > > sattelite tech and many more related to the digital technologies and > > the Internet. > > We can, and in the case of satellite technology we have. As I said, the > hardware schematics or source code for a satellite being "o
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
Rob , Open and Free are not meaningless in this context, because the context is that software is just part of a system , so NOT understand this or pass the ideia that software is detach from the system is to think that people as stupid, like other enterprises. Innovation is private appropriation of publicly funded research. NOT always, and for irony, you know how many softwares are created without any help. Emulation and still think on software as files and emulation of paper is stagnation. By the way, software is a product or a service ? Free software is not unpaid specially for enterprises so ... You must have in mind some things: a) Technology is NOT NEUTRAL and NOT FREE and thats no difference in Digital Technology and Internet b) Merchant Order and Cities, putting things on a historical perspective in geopolitical terms Merchant Order and Cities Bruge the central rudder stock Venice the caravel Antwerp printing Genoa - accounting Amsterdam --- the fluyt London --- the steam engine Boston the piston engine New York --- the electric engine Los Angeles --- the microchip c) Second about the shift of paradigm in the order city-state to still maintain geopolitical control XX XXI Oncle SamOncle Google Hollywood, California , USA Silicon Valley, California, USA Simulation and Representation Industry Simulation and Programming Industry XX XXI Empire HiperEmpire d) how the geopolitical control is related to enterprises each one dominating one field related to the geopolitical control and the digital condition Facebook network control Linkedin professional control Google -- search control Apple creative control Amazon --- publishers control Microsoft enterprises control ICANN - traffic control Intel - speed control Linux - open source control We can go on talking about telecom tech, financing and stockchanges softwares systems (FINAZISM), sattelite tech and many more related to the digital technologies and the Internet. STUPID is disconsider history and not know that history is repeating itself. Why CERN is not in Africa ? The people that sells bits dont care about the bits, they just want to sell machines to be more precise nowadays mobile machine$ and there is people that thinks they are free ... > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:05:28 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:02:18 +0000, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Open for Who ? Only for the ones that wants to learn programming, and > > that is ok but it is not for all át. All. > > This is why "open" is such a meaningless term in this context. > > You do not have to be a computer programmer to be free to use software. > Being free to use software is good whether you can program or not. > > > There is no innovation on Open Source software , they emulate paper > > and files and worst they repeat the same Graphic User Interface as > > Adobe or Microsoft. > > "Innovation" is private appropriation of publicly funded research. > > "Emulation" is a way of ensuring that users are able to use software. > > The idea that Adobe or Microsoft are GUI innovators is historically > inaccurate. > > I'm not sure how this is a criticism of strategies of re-appropriation > by Free Software where they have been used. > > If we do wish to look at the current evolution of the GUI, Android is > being copied by iOS, and Gnome shell and Unity are alienating their user > base with their attempts to update the desktop metaphor. > > Apple's WebKit is the basis of most web browsers. It's Free Software. > If we'd left browser "innovation" to Microsoft, they would have stopped > with IE 6 after destroying Netscape. > > > Open source software is growing because is cheaper to enterprises and > > goverments because there is no properties rights, wich is ok. > > If we must accept the corporate drive for code as property then we > should recognise that Free Software ironises this using copyright as > part of its legal form in order to make it a form of common property. > > The cost of Free Software is a direct result of people being free to > use it. "Open Source" cannot explain *why* this is and so we are left > fetishising and trying to explain effects without reference to their > causes. > > > Open source is not free and Will never be and advertise that is a > > trap from mar
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Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
It users are not free át. All ... Today i meet the hardware and the microprocessors we were talking about Moore just After arrives the well know PO ( programmed obsolescence) . Telecoms and Satellites were át. The bar Looking át. Us ... > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:07:43 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:13:47 +0000, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Free Software is certainly not free , > > No, its users are. > > > and worst we know who advocates free, > > so what i am saying is, Open Source in my opinion is a more > > appropriate term. > > "Open Source" is a marketing term that was adopted to avoid mentioning > the ethics of free software when selling its products to corporate > clients. > > It isn't more appropriate than "Free Software" either for Stallman's > philosophy, which predates that usage, or for the actual concept of > personal liberty in the use of software. > > - Rob. > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Rethoric ... New Media is certainly not new for a long time ... I cannot change the name America so you with Australia. But there is a distiction and this mean something that must be respected, South and Central America are not only Latin and to forget that is to forget history, so if British, Brazilian and others Institutions are still using that ... Free Software is certainly not free , and worst we know who advocates free, so what i am saying is, Open Source in my opinion is a more appropriate term. CC: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:09:11 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths Eduardo, I think I understand your three questions. Correct me if I'm wrong. The first concerns how we define what is new and value it. The second is about historical tropes regarding how the world is defined and named (colonial power structures). The third is about the politics of access. These are all difficult questions and how you respond to them is a political matter. For example, how do you value novelty? Is it valuable for its own sake or only as an adjunct property of something else? Can novelty even exist? That's an open question, but my own take on it is that the value of novelty is over-rated and (especially) a Western trope. Some cultures value tradition over change. As artists and technologists whose roles are about creativity, as many of the people on this list probably consider themselves, we should be suspect about the siren song of the new but equally critical of the status quo. That does not mean there is a comfortable middle way. I doubt that there is... As for names of places - the name America is problematic (whether South, Central or Latin). I'm from Australia, where the indigenous peoples never used Latin and therefore would never have come up with such a name for the country. Indeed, these people would not even consider the country to be something they could possess by naming it. They did (do) not comprehend place as something they could possess but as something they are amongst. I can imagine the indigenous peoples of what we call South America had similar apprehensions of the places they inhabit. So, to call a place Latin America or South America or whatever is always going to be problematic. It's also possible the current indigenous peoples previously displaced other peoples who had their own conventions about this (the original Australian's, for want of a better name, were wiped out by subsequent waves of migration tens of thousands of years before the first European stepped on to its shores). The problematic here is potentially of many layers and unresolvable. Who has the right to name something? Perhaps Shakespeare was right and a rose is a rose is a rose - the name really doesn't matter? Saussure argued that the words themselves are meaningless, as indeed the things they refer to are also meaningless without words, and that it is only in the relation between all the things and their words that meaning emerges (as a human construct - nothing is a priori). I think his argument is more or less self evident. As for free - well, I think I responded to that before. Nothing is free. We pay a price for every breath we take, every morsel we eat, every step we take (sorry, sounds like a bad pop song). That might be a price paid in dollars or pesos, or it might be paid in our own longevity as an organism. There's always a process of exchange (the third law of thermodynamics appears to be inescapable) and that is, in a very profound way, an economic reality. This is why I said before there is no 'us' and 'them' - just an inescapable 'us'. best Simon Sent from a mobile device, thus the brevity. Simon biggssi...@littlepig.org.uks.bi...@ed.ac.ukhttp://www.littlepig.org.uk On 14 Feb 2013, at 18:02, Eduardo Valle wrote: Simon, What i am discussing are those points: 1) How can a University use New , and Digital Culture as terms of a unit in the 21st century second decade 2) How can a University use the term Latin América for South And central América ? 3) How can a University use a term like Free ??? Software ? Maybe they are Looking for some kind of students ... I hope they Had learn something with MIT and Schwartz ... Open Source is Still a term to be discussed , but let us accept as it is having in mind that technologies are NOT neutral át. All and that software is just part of a system. Art, Technology and OPEN DATA. From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:26:48 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths Eduardo Open Source is based on a notion of give and take. It's a participatory paradigm. Being able to programme is an important means by which one can participate. However, a
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
Simon, What i am discussing are those points: 1) How can a University use New , and Digital Culture as terms of a unit in the 21st century second decade ? 2) How can a University use the term Latin América for South And central América ? 3) How can a University use a term like Free ??? Software ? Maybe they are Looking for some kind of students ... I hope they Had learn something with MIT and Schwartz ... Open Source is Still a term to be discussed , but let us accept as it is having in mind that technologies are NOT neutral át. All and that software is just part of a system. Art, Technology and OPEN DATA. From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:26:48 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths Eduardo Open Source is based on a notion of give and take. It's a participatory paradigm. Being able to programme is an important means by which one can participate. However, as James points out, there are other ways. In this respect Open Source is profoundly different to other more traditional IP based models of production and consumption, where the roles of producers and consumers are clearly delineated and ownership of IP fiercely defended. Open Source is, in its best forms, co-creation of the most radical sort. Given that culture is something we create (not something received - although some would like us to believe this) it is possible to argue that Open Source is itself a cultural paradigm based on shared creativity. As for this issue of culture - again, I think we mean different things by this word. The origins of the word are in the domain of agriculture and simply means to improve something through cultivating it. In the 18th and 19th centuries it tended to refer to what we now conceive of as high culture. Since at least the 1940's it has generally be taken to mean any shared set of values, systems or methods associated with a particular group of people who recognise themselves as a member of the group. So, we have sub-cultures. Digital culture was, once upon a time, a sub-culture. Now it is a mainstream culture. With a billion members Facebook alone hosts numerous subcultures within the larger digital paradigm it swims in. A primary component of culture, perhaps the very stuff of highly socialised homosapien culture, is language. Many theorists (Turing, MacLuhan, Winograd, Dennett, Hayles, et al) have suggested that computation is a form of language - not a medium for language but language itself. I find these arguments, to differing degrees, quite compelling. Thus it is possible to regard the relationship of the computer to the processes of culturalisation and socialisation in a similar manner to the role of language. Language could be considered as an open source form of culture (more so in some cultures and language groups than in others - in English there is no governance of the language so it is very open to change through use). Language is socially generative (as a process of reflexive iteration). So is computing. In this sense we can speak of a digital culture. Given all this the programme at Goldsmiths (which is not unique, there are numerous such programmes running internationally) seems to be founded on solid foundations and to be engaging something that is definitely a valid subject and, given the experience of the last decade, particularly timely. I don't see what your problem with it is - unless you wish to critique specific aspects of the programme - such as its scope or focus. But that's of another ilk. best Simon On 14 Feb 2013, at 02:06, Eduardo Valle wrote:James, no it is not, by the fact that If you want to modify not just ask questions on the GUI You must learn programming and even If want to do that You must do in 2 or 3 languages that work on it. So it is Open but not for all át. All. Systems, users and moderators ... > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:28:35 + > From: ja...@jwm-art.net > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On 14/02/13 Eduardo Valle wrote: > > >Open for Who ? Only for the ones that wants to learn programming, and > >that is ok but it is not for all át. All. > > what about people who work on the documentation? or those who work on > translations? or those who work on design? or those who spend their > time in the community helping new users (ie forums/mailing > lists/irc/etc)? it is open to all of those people isn't it, or am i > missing something? > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netb
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James, no it is not, by the fact that If you want to modify not just ask questions on the GUI You must learn programming and even If want to do that You must do in 2 or 3 languages that work on it. So it is Open but not for all át. All. Systems, users and moderators ... > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:28:35 + > From: ja...@jwm-art.net > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On 14/02/13 Eduardo Valle wrote: > > >Open for Who ? Only for the ones that wants to learn programming, and > >that is ok but it is not for all át. All. > > what about people who work on the documentation? or those who work on > translations? or those who work on design? or those who spend their > time in the community helping new users (ie forums/mailing > lists/irc/etc)? it is open to all of those people isn't it, or am i > missing something? > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Mark it is ok , i know that is not You. Dave, If you support the travel expenses as I did myself to Liverpool i Will ask Him personally Although i know He Had friends and came to Rio de Janeiro frequently. Rob , dont get me wrong but You did not understand some questions. Open for Who ? Only for the ones that wants to learn programming, and that is ok but it is not for all át. All. There is no innovation on Open Source software , they emulate paper and files and worst they repeat the same Graphic User Interface as Adobe or Microsoft. Open source software is growing because is cheaper to enterprises and goverments because there is no properties rights, wich is ok. Open source is not free and Will never be and advertise that is a trap from marketing that puts the movement in descredit and in the same level as ordinary enterprises. Take care with words Will say Saussure and Lacan . But most important do NOT believe and use the same marketing bullshit of the others . Most of the people that advocates Open Source dont praticse OPEN DATA. Recently MIT was facing that in the most horrible way. Simon, condition is not culture , on the contrary is unconditional, diferent from the digital condition we are living in. > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:51:18 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > On 13/02/13 16:45, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > Open source for Who ? > > Free Software for all. > > > Why Open softwares emulates Adobe and use the same GUI ? Why not > > inovatte and takes risk ? > > GNU doesn't control GNOME or KDE. > > > Is that true that Open source Still around just because is cheaper to > > enterprises and goverments ? > > Free software has different advantages for different users. Reduced > costs to large organizations is one of them. It's also a motivation for > them to invest in its production, which benefits other users. > > > Why most of the people that are for Open source are not for Open Data ? > > Is that the case? > > > I am saying that because use the term free can turn the Open source > > movement a joke in the eyes of others, and That is NO GOOD. > > Open Source was a marketing term created specifically to sell free > software to corporations by emphasizing its perceived economic > advantages over its stated ethical objectives. > > The value of "the open source development model" derives from the > freedom of those involved with it, and is useful only to the extent that > it supports that freedom. > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Mark, I was testing lots, and i use pirates and praticse OPEN DATA. About What You mention and i am not dualistic, What i am saying is that the use of the term free is NO GOOD for the Open source movement, it Will descredit their excelent work. Although there is no innovation in terms of GUI and the idéia of emulate paper and files continue. However, digital culture is new. It is less than ten years old and has developed as a large part of the population has migrated their social, professional and private lives into the digital domain, mainly in the form of the internet and, specifically, the web. If that's not a culture then I think we mean profoundly different things by this term. No this is not a culture we are living under digital databases and that does not imply a culture that implies a condition. So there is a digital media and artists can work on and with it in various forms. Define Digital Media , think basically digital writings and all that around it. > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:04:13 + > From: t...@theanthillsocial.co.uk > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > Eduardo, I would be interested to find out how you define digital media? > Is it pixels on a screen? > The hardware components of a computer? > The encoding process? > The factory that makes the components? > The minerals that are formed into computational machines? > The human, technological and material social systems? > The very idea of a computational machine? > > I find that digital media is one of those very slippery terms that > doesn't describe much on closer examination. > > RE: free / not free > I would agree the FLOSS (movement?) carries with it the same problems > that we all experience living in a neo-liberal society. It just > 'feels' a bit nicer than some of the alternatives. > > RE: Dictatorships > I don't think its that simple. There's allot more going on than 'evil' > people controlling everything from the top and if we keep on thinking > that then I don't think anything will change. I believe the evil is in > the detail, in the components that builds this mega mess of > communication. You cant control the mess, it controls you/us/them in > ever so subtle ways. I recommend: > https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/evil-media-0 > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Stallman is using the same marketing bullshit , of all americans enterprises > > that says and sells the idéia that internet is free and it is not. You > > cannot think only about the software, You have Telecoms, ICANN DICTATORSHIP > > , Intel DICTATORSHIP and many others. He is thinking people are stupid ? I > > totally agree with the term Open source , but Open for Who ? And worst , the > > people that are for Open source sometimes dont praticse OPEN DATA. > > About the term Digital Culture it is widespread in World by An english > > spoken Author and people accept as they accept FREE Software. There is > > a process of digitalization of various cultures If it is good or bad we can > > discuss about it , but there is NO Digital Culture. There is digital Media , > > that is no longer NEW, where artists can work with and make Art with in > > various forms. > > Globalization did not affects the geopolitical power, i was showing that in > > Liverpool as Aaron Schwartz did with Elsevier. > > > > > > CC: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > From: si...@littlepig.org.uk > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:44:15 + > > > > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > > > Not sure if all examples of a shift to the digital, across cultures, is > > something that we have to suffer. I can think of plenty of positive aspects > > the digital brings us, across cultures. But that's another argument. > > > > I was just seeking to clarify that there are cultures (many) that can be > > characterised as digital sufficiently to be termed digital cultures. So long > > as we realise this is a plural situation I am relaxed with that. I will be > > attending a conference in Brazil next month on this topic (one of several > > I've attended in South America) so clearly there are Brazillians who think > > this is a relevant term. I've attended similar events in probably 50 > > different countries, many in Asia and elsewhere. > > > > My impression is that this is a global phenomenon - globalisation is closely > > associated with digital issues. I know many have an automatic reflex t
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Please can You ask Him some questions: How can You use the term free ? Do You Really think internet is free ? How can You think about a free software If this is connected to a wider System ? Open source for Who ? Why Open softwares emulates Adobe and use the same GUI ? Why not inovatte and takes risk ? Is that true that Open source Still around just because is cheaper to enterprises and goverments ? Why most of the people that are for Open source are not for Open Data ? I am saying that because use the term free can turn the Open source movement a joke in the eyes of others, and That is NO GOOD. > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:32:42 + > From: dave.miller...@gmail.com > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > Stallman is coming to the University of Bedfordshire on March 20th, > talk starts at 6pm. > Any want to come? > dave > > On 13 February 2013 16:26, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Stallman is using the same marketing bullshit , of all americans enterprises > > that says and sells the idéia that internet is free and it is not. You > > cannot think only about the software, You have Telecoms, ICANN DICTATORSHIP > > , Intel DICTATORSHIP and many others. He is thinking people are stupid ? I > > totally agree with the term Open source , but Open for Who ? And worst , the > > people that are for Open source sometimes dont praticse OPEN DATA. > > About the term Digital Culture it is widespread in World by An english > > spoken Author and people accept as they accept FREE Software. There is > > a process of digitalization of various cultures If it is good or bad we can > > discuss about it , but there is NO Digital Culture. There is digital Media , > > that is no longer NEW, where artists can work with and make Art with in > > various forms. > > Globalization did not affects the geopolitical power, i was showing that in > > Liverpool as Aaron Schwartz did with Elsevier. > > > > > > CC: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > From: si...@littlepig.org.uk > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:44:15 + > > > > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > > > Not sure if all examples of a shift to the digital, across cultures, is > > something that we have to suffer. I can think of plenty of positive aspects > > the digital brings us, across cultures. But that's another argument. > > > > I was just seeking to clarify that there are cultures (many) that can be > > characterised as digital sufficiently to be termed digital cultures. So long > > as we realise this is a plural situation I am relaxed with that. I will be > > attending a conference in Brazil next month on this topic (one of several > > I've attended in South America) so clearly there are Brazillians who think > > this is a relevant term. I've attended similar events in probably 50 > > different countries, many in Asia and elsewhere. > > > > My impression is that this is a global phenomenon - globalisation is closely > > associated with digital issues. I know many have an automatic reflex to > > reject globalisation and it is true it is deeply problematic - but the > > process of globalisation can also be seen as part of a post-colonial dynamic > > where power is more globally distributed. Whilst that doesn't mean power is > > evenly distributed (far from it - if it was evenly distributed it wouldn't > > be power in the sense we understand it) it is better than power being > > located in a handful of European and north American capital cities. > > > > best > > > > Simon > > > > > > Sent from a mobile device, thus the brevity. > > > > Simon Biggs > > si...@littlepig.org.uk > > s.bi...@ed.ac.uk > > http://www.littlepig.org.uk > > > > On 13 Feb 2013, at 13:15, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > > I am not saying that there no field relates to the digital media, like > > software art, net art etc and etc. What i am saying is that a lot of > > diferent cultures are suffering a process of digitalization and that is > > totally diferent from a totalitárian single and not plural term that is > > digital culture, worst than that only people that defende a term like > > f(r)EE. Software , are they Really FREE ? What is to be FREE ? But as i say > > institutions and acadêmics that Still think that South América is Latin > > América ... > > > > > > From: si...@littlepig.org.uk > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
Stallman is using the same marketing bullshit , of all americans enterprises that says and sells the idéia that internet is free and it is not. You cannot think only about the software, You have Telecoms, ICANN DICTATORSHIP , Intel DICTATORSHIP and many others. He is thinking people are stupid ? I totally agree with the term Open source , but Open for Who ? And worst , the people that are for Open source sometimes dont praticse OPEN DATA. About the term Digital Culture it is widespread in World by An english spoken Author and people accept as they accept FREE Software. There is a process of digitalization of various cultures If it is good or bad we can discuss about it , but there is NO Digital Culture. There is digital Media , that is no longer NEW, where artists can work with and make Art with in various forms. Globalization did not affects the geopolitical power, i was showing that in Liverpool as Aaron Schwartz did with Elsevier. CC: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:44:15 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths Not sure if all examples of a shift to the digital, across cultures, is something that we have to suffer. I can think of plenty of positive aspects the digital brings us, across cultures. But that's another argument. I was just seeking to clarify that there are cultures (many) that can be characterised as digital sufficiently to be termed digital cultures. So long as we realise this is a plural situation I am relaxed with that. I will be attending a conference in Brazil next month on this topic (one of several I've attended in South America) so clearly there are Brazillians who think this is a relevant term. I've attended similar events in probably 50 different countries, many in Asia and elsewhere. My impression is that this is a global phenomenon - globalisation is closely associated with digital issues. I know many have an automatic reflex to reject globalisation and it is true it is deeply problematic - but the process of globalisation can also be seen as part of a post-colonial dynamic where power is more globally distributed. Whilst that doesn't mean power is evenly distributed (far from it - if it was evenly distributed it wouldn't be power in the sense we understand it) it is better than power being located in a handful of European and north American capital cities. best Simon Sent from a mobile device, thus the brevity. Simon biggssi...@littlepig.org.uks.bi...@ed.ac.ukhttp://www.littlepig.org.uk On 13 Feb 2013, at 13:15, Eduardo Valle wrote: I am not saying that there no field relates to the digital media, like software art, net art etc and etc. What i am saying is that a lot of diferent cultures are suffering a process of digitalization and that is totally diferent from a totalitárian single and not plural term that is digital culture, worst than that only people that defende a term like f(r)EE. Software , are they Really FREE ? What is to be FREE ? But as i say institutions and acadêmics that Still think that South América is Latin América ... From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:49:09 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths I'd argue that there is a thing called digital culture - this is what defines the boundaries of the digital places, spaces and media we increasingly inhabit in the various aspects of our lives. However, this culture is not singular but plural, with multiple dimensions deriving from different places and demographies. So, computer gaming culture in Korea, hacker culture in the USA, smart phone culture in Tanzania, for example, are all distinct. A really useful writer to read, although working in a very different context, is Olivia Garcia, with her work on pluriliteracy. She articulates how different forms of cultural engagement demand distinct kinds of literacy and capability - often at the same time. best Simon On 13 Feb 2013, at 12:33, Eduardo Valle wrote:Digital Culture ? Digital is a media not a culture, we are living in a World of various cultures that are suffering a process of digitalization, but having someone in the program that Thinks that South America is Latin América ... > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:20:36 + > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > Hi all, > > I would like to agree with Tom, > > I must say, we've been working with some of the students from Goldsmiths > which includes the "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice" > crew. And, the passion and interest in the projects at Furtherfield, and > their added zest/openness to explore related ideas and contexts, has > been imp
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Lets Take your examples Computer Games and Art or Hacker and Art or Software Art , they use digital as media not as a culture to express their Art ... From: dudava...@hotmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:15:36 + Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths I am not saying that there no field relates to the digital media, like software art, net art etc and etc. What i am saying is that a lot of diferent cultures are suffering a process of digitalization and that is totally diferent from a totalitárian single and not plural term that is digital culture, worst than that only people that defende a term like f(r)EE. Software , are they Really FREE ? What is to be FREE ? But as i say institutions and acadêmics that Still think that South América is Latin América ... From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:49:09 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths I'd argue that there is a thing called digital culture - this is what defines the boundaries of the digital places, spaces and media we increasingly inhabit in the various aspects of our lives. However, this culture is not singular but plural, with multiple dimensions deriving from different places and demographies. So, computer gaming culture in Korea, hacker culture in the USA, smart phone culture in Tanzania, for example, are all distinct. A really useful writer to read, although working in a very different context, is Olivia Garcia, with her work on pluriliteracy. She articulates how different forms of cultural engagement demand distinct kinds of literacy and capability - often at the same time. best Simon On 13 Feb 2013, at 12:33, Eduardo Valle wrote:Digital Culture ? Digital is a media not a culture, we are living in a World of various cultures that are suffering a process of digitalization, but having someone in the program that Thinks that South America is Latin América ... > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:20:36 + > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > Hi all, > > I would like to agree with Tom, > > I must say, we've been working with some of the students from Goldsmiths > which includes the "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice" > crew. And, the passion and interest in the projects at Furtherfield, and > their added zest/openness to explore related ideas and contexts, has > been impressive. As well as, their critically engaged approaches towards > networks and social engagement, in art generally. > > I'm not a fan of the 'fine art' section of Goldsmiths, and especially > have not forgiven 'Michael Graig Martin' and 'Yucky Hirst bag', for > imposing their Saatchi and Saatchi 'conservative' driven, market > branded, Brit Art on the world. > > But, these other people at Goldsmiths, have soul... > > chat soon. > > marc > > > Hi All, > > A quick forward which might be of interest... > > I can highly recommend "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and > > practice" which I completed last year. > > Tom > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Harwood > > Date: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM > > > > It would be great if you could pass this on to any of your networks. > > > > > > Digital Culture is a place of fundamental change. Understanding, > > shaping and leading that change are graduates from two Masters > > programmes at the Digital Culture Unit. The problems of computing are > > increasingly those of the social and those of meaning, interpretation, > > cultural expression, organization that have been core to the humanities > > over the last two millennia. At the same time, computing is now central > > to the activity of thought and communication and both computing and > > humanities find themselves reconstituted, so that one cannot exist > > without the other. > > > > The Digital Culture Unit at the Centre for Culture Studies at > > Goldsmiths, University of London brings together researchers who have a > > special interest and expertise in digital culture in the broadest sense. > > We make software, texts, installations and investigations and edit > > journals, make books, art and collaborate with others to take part in > > and understand the changes computing is making to all forms of life. > > Drawing closely on this research we run two Masters and a PhD programme. > > > > http://www.gold.ac.uk/cultural-studies/ccsdigitalcultureunit/ > > > > MA Interactive Media, critical
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
I am not saying that there no field relates to the digital media, like software art, net art etc and etc. What i am saying is that a lot of diferent cultures are suffering a process of digitalization and that is totally diferent from a totalitárian single and not plural term that is digital culture, worst than that only people that defende a term like f(r)EE. Software , are they Really FREE ? What is to be FREE ? But as i say institutions and acadêmics that Still think that South América is Latin América ... From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:49:09 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths I'd argue that there is a thing called digital culture - this is what defines the boundaries of the digital places, spaces and media we increasingly inhabit in the various aspects of our lives. However, this culture is not singular but plural, with multiple dimensions deriving from different places and demographies. So, computer gaming culture in Korea, hacker culture in the USA, smart phone culture in Tanzania, for example, are all distinct. A really useful writer to read, although working in a very different context, is Olivia Garcia, with her work on pluriliteracy. She articulates how different forms of cultural engagement demand distinct kinds of literacy and capability - often at the same time. best Simon On 13 Feb 2013, at 12:33, Eduardo Valle wrote:Digital Culture ? Digital is a media not a culture, we are living in a World of various cultures that are suffering a process of digitalization, but having someone in the program that Thinks that South America is Latin América ... > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:20:36 + > From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths > > Hi all, > > I would like to agree with Tom, > > I must say, we've been working with some of the students from Goldsmiths > which includes the "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice" > crew. And, the passion and interest in the projects at Furtherfield, and > their added zest/openness to explore related ideas and contexts, has > been impressive. As well as, their critically engaged approaches towards > networks and social engagement, in art generally. > > I'm not a fan of the 'fine art' section of Goldsmiths, and especially > have not forgiven 'Michael Graig Martin' and 'Yucky Hirst bag', for > imposing their Saatchi and Saatchi 'conservative' driven, market > branded, Brit Art on the world. > > But, these other people at Goldsmiths, have soul... > > chat soon. > > marc > > > Hi All, > > A quick forward which might be of interest... > > I can highly recommend "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and > > practice" which I completed last year. > > Tom > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Harwood > > Date: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM > > > > It would be great if you could pass this on to any of your networks. > > > > > > Digital Culture is a place of fundamental change. Understanding, > > shaping and leading that change are graduates from two Masters > > programmes at the Digital Culture Unit. The problems of computing are > > increasingly those of the social and those of meaning, interpretation, > > cultural expression, organization that have been core to the humanities > > over the last two millennia. At the same time, computing is now central > > to the activity of thought and communication and both computing and > > humanities find themselves reconstituted, so that one cannot exist > > without the other. > > > > The Digital Culture Unit at the Centre for Culture Studies at > > Goldsmiths, University of London brings together researchers who have a > > special interest and expertise in digital culture in the broadest sense. > > We make software, texts, installations and investigations and edit > > journals, make books, art and collaborate with others to take part in > > and understand the changes computing is making to all forms of life. > > Drawing closely on this research we run two Masters and a PhD programme. > > > > http://www.gold.ac.uk/cultural-studies/ccsdigitalcultureunit/ > > > > MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice. > > > > The MA Interactive Media offers students the opportunity to equally > > develop theory and practice-based research on the information systems > > embedded in the technical, cultural, aesthetic, and political structures > > of society and how we interact wi
Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
Digital Culture ?
Digital is a media not a culture, we are living in a World of various cultures
that are suffering a process of digitalization, but having someone in the
program that Thinks that South America is Latin América ...
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:20:36 +
> From: marc.garr...@furtherfield.org
> To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New Digital Culture Unit @ Goldsmiths
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to agree with Tom,
>
> I must say, we've been working with some of the students from Goldsmiths
> which includes the "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice"
> crew. And, the passion and interest in the projects at Furtherfield, and
> their added zest/openness to explore related ideas and contexts, has
> been impressive. As well as, their critically engaged approaches towards
> networks and social engagement, in art generally.
>
> I'm not a fan of the 'fine art' section of Goldsmiths, and especially
> have not forgiven 'Michael Graig Martin' and 'Yucky Hirst bag', for
> imposing their Saatchi and Saatchi 'conservative' driven, market
> branded, Brit Art on the world.
>
> But, these other people at Goldsmiths, have soul...
>
> chat soon.
>
> marc
>
> > Hi All,
> > A quick forward which might be of interest...
> > I can highly recommend "MA Interactive Media, critical theory and
> > practice" which I completed last year.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Harwood
> > Date: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM
> >
> > It would be great if you could pass this on to any of your networks.
> >
> >
> > Digital Culture is a place of fundamental change. Understanding,
> > shaping and leading that change are graduates from two Masters
> > programmes at the Digital Culture Unit. The problems of computing are
> > increasingly those of the social and those of meaning, interpretation,
> > cultural expression, organization that have been core to the humanities
> > over the last two millennia. At the same time, computing is now central
> > to the activity of thought and communication and both computing and
> > humanities find themselves reconstituted, so that one cannot exist
> > without the other.
> >
> > The Digital Culture Unit at the Centre for Culture Studies at
> > Goldsmiths, University of London brings together researchers who have a
> > special interest and expertise in digital culture in the broadest sense.
> > We make software, texts, installations and investigations and edit
> > journals, make books, art and collaborate with others to take part in
> > and understand the changes computing is making to all forms of life.
> > Drawing closely on this research we run two Masters and a PhD programme.
> >
> > http://www.gold.ac.uk/cultural-studies/ccsdigitalcultureunit/
> >
> > MA Interactive Media, critical theory and practice.
> >
> > The MA Interactive Media offers students the opportunity to equally
> > develop theory and practice-based research on the information systems
> > embedded in the technical, cultural, aesthetic, and political structures
> > of society and how we interact with them.
> >
> > Building on the Centre for Cultural Studies research excellence in
> > software studies, media philosophy and digital arts practices, students
> > will learn to employ advanced research and practice-based methodologies
> > to enhance and develop their own skills.
> >
> > Student research and experiments focus on new and historical modes of
> > interaction to develop a critical understanding of technical objects in
> > the way they are implicated in who we are today.
> >
> > The programme will help students prepare for or develop a critical
> > career in the cultural, creative, educational, or computational sectors.
> >
> > Central to the MA is the Centre for Cultural Studies FLOSS (Free Libre
> > Open Source Software) Media Lab. This is a social hub as well as a place
> > to study. Students from around the world with different backgrounds and
> > research interests in software development, design, philosophy, art,
> > activism, media theory, curating, or programming, share, exchange and
> > refine skills and specialized knowledge, developing individual and group
> > projects. As well as attending lectures and seminars, students crucially
> > spend at least 9 hours a week in the Lab with close supervision in this
> > technically and critically challenging environment.
> >
> > The MA is jointly convened by the leading theorist Luciana Parisi
> > (author of Contagious Architecture. Computation, Aesthetics and Space,
> > MIT Press) http://www.gold.ac.uk/cultural-studies/staff/l-parisi/, who
> > teaches Critical Theory and International artist and Lab Director Graham
> > Harwood ("http://yoha.co.uk/";
> > http://www.gold.ac.uk/cultural-studies/staff/g-harwood/"; who teaches
> > practice based enquiry. They are joined by theorist Matthew Fuller
> > (editor of Software Studies, co-author of Evil Media, MIT Press) who
> > teaches
[NetBehaviour] Geopolitics, hiperimperium and the colonization of "real" time by enterprises
http://mondediplo.com/2013/02/15internet > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:55:50 -0700 > From: h...@mutanteggplant.com > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: [NetBehaviour] R.I.P Richard Artschwager - Protean & Enigmatic > > R.I.P Richard Artschwager > http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2013/02/10/r-i-p-richard-artschwager-protean-enigmatic/ > I am a big fan.. was lucky to get his autograph when I saw him at a > gallery. > > Fung Lin Hall > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Computer for Cynics - Ted Nelson Youtube Series 2012
Computer for Cynics - Ted Nelson Youtube Series 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] F(r)ee, Open (?) and Digital Culture(s) - slogans for selling on the databases age ?
Dear James Lobbies for the programmers that normally dont practice open data. Ressonance ... Funny that was the only part you mention. :-))) > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:32:00 + > From: ja...@jwm-art.net > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] F(r)ee, Open (?) and Digital Culture(s) - slogans > for selling on the databases age ? > > On 11/12/12 Eduardo Valle wrote: > > > >F(r)ee ? > > > >Lets us look on four levels: > > > >1) philosofical level -- what is to be free ? > > > >2) consumer level - Living under Intel Monopoly on Microprocessors, > >Apple Monopoly in terms of video and cinema, HP Monopoly in terms of > >printers, Linux monopoly and growing because of they are cheaper for > >govermental institutions and commerce, etc and etc. > > > >3) administration level - ICANN dictatorship and their respective > >agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls under the hands > >of a few , etc and etc 4) on the industrial technological level - who > >are controlling satellites transmissions on a technological level, > >telecoms lobbies ,internet providers, etc and etc > > > >. How can someone talk about freedom in that situation ? > > > > > >Open (?) > > > >1) it is open for who ? for the ones that are programmers only ? > > It is open to non-programmers to perform the chore of documentation ;-) > > But say that the definition of openness can not be fulfilled due to > programmers being the only people capable of exploiting that openness, > then what is supposed to be done to make it more inclusive? Are > programmers meant to write software which is um... more > readily programmable? Probably not. Complex things can't be made > simple without sacrificing the reasons for which they are complex. Is > that why we now we have computers which are mere portals to commercial > consumption. > > > > > >2) the majority of the ones that says that they are "open" dont even > >think and practice open data. > > > > > > > >Digital Culture (s) > > > >1) How can someome talk about that, if ,what happens is a > >digitalization of various cultures ? > > > >2) Talking about Digital Culture in a singular way is totalitarian, is > >a medium not a culture. > > > > > > > -- > http://jwm-art.net/ > image/audio/text/code/ > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] F(r)ee, Open (?) and Digital Culture(s) - slogans for selling on the databases age ?
F(r)ee ? Lets us look on four levels: 1) philosofical level -- what is to be free ? 2) consumer level - Living under Intel Monopoly on Microprocessors, Apple Monopoly in terms of video and cinema, HP Monopoly in terms of printers, Linux monopoly and growing because of they are cheaper for govermental institutions and commerce, etc and etc. 3) administration level - ICANN dictatorship and their respective agents on each country, IPV6 and their domain controls under the hands of a few , etc and etc 4) on the industrial technological level - who are controlling satellites transmissions on a technological level, telecoms lobbies ,internet providers, etc and etc . How can someone talk about freedom in that situation ? Open (?) 1) it is open for who ? for the ones that are programmers only ? 2) the majority of the ones that says that they are "open" dont even think and practice open data. Digital Culture (s) 1) How can someome talk about that, if ,what happens is a digitalization of various cultures ? 2) Talking about Digital Culture in a singular way is totalitarian, is a medium not a culture. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Transdisciplinary Bits, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
Just a link about the Transdisciplinary Bits: Art and Digital Media, november 2012, Rio de Janeiro. You can find the program on the link below. ( Diana Domingues, Simone Michelin, Guto Nobrega, Edward Shanken, Yolande Harris , Doris Kosminsky , Fernanda Gentil e Simone Pereira de Sá) http://www.hcte.ufrj.br/downloads/bits_transdisciplinares_release.pdf ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] LEONARDO HALF TUITION SCHOLARSHIP FOR MEDIA ART HISTORIES
Poor Leonardo can give only half-tuition ... It reminds this: http://thecostofknowledge.com/ Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:25:18 +0200 From: image.scie...@donau-uni.ac.at To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] LEONARDO SCHOLARSHIP FOR MEDIA ART HISTORIES => please excuse cross-postings <= LEONARDO SCHOLARSHIP FOR MEDIA ART HISTORIES => First International Master of MediaArtHistories (low-residency, English language, international faculty) In affiliation with a driving force leading the field, Leonardo/ISAST, The Center for Image Science is pleased to announce their continued cooperation with a half-tuition scholarship for the Master of Arts (MA) course in MediaArtHistories, for the start in November 2012. => LEONARDO SCHOLARSHIP FOR MEDIA ART HISTORIES The scholarship is planned to answer the critical challenges of the 21st century, which require mobilization and cross-fertilization among the domains of art, science and technology by supporting the studies of a new researcher or artist. The postgraduate program MediaArtHistories conveys the most important developments of contemporary art through a network of renowned international theorists, artists and curators like: Erkki HUHTAMO, Lev MANOVICH Christiane PAUL, Roger MALINA Jens HAUSER, Jeffrey SHAW, Jussi PARIKKA Gerfried STOCKER, Christa SOMMERER & Laurent MIGNONNEAU, Sean CUBITT, Paul SERMON, Oliver GRAU, Edward SHANKEN, KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH, Frieder NAKE, Machiko KUSAHARA, Nat MULLER, Gunalan NADARAJAN, Monika FLEISCHMANN, Margit ROSEN, Andreas LANGE, Christopher SALTER, Darko FRITZ, Irina ARISTARKHOVA, and others. Historical derivations that go far back into art and media history are tied in intriguing ways to digital art. Key approaches and methods from Image Science, Media Archaeology and the History of Science & Technology will be discussed. Media Art History offers a basis for understanding evolutionary history of audiovisual media, from the Laterna Magica to the Panorama, Phantasmagoria, Film, and the Virtual Art of recent decades. Using online databases and other modern aids, knowledge of computer animation, net art, interactive, telematic and genetic art as well as the most recent reflections on nano art, CAVE installations, augmented reality and wearables are introduced. Artists and programmers give new insights into the latest software and interface developments. => DANUBE UNIVERSITY KREMS - located in the UNESCO world heritage Wachau, 70km from Vienna, is the only public university in Europe specializing in advanced continuing education by offering low-residency degree programs for working professionals and life long learners. The Center in Monastery Goettweig, where most MediaArtHistories courses take place, is housed in a 14th century building, remodeled to fit the needs of modern research in singular surroundings. => STUDENTS - The course is held in English and is low-residency with rolling admissions. Acceptance into the program requires a previous degree at or above the Bachelors level, or the equivalent through relevant work experience. International students come from countries like Canada, Hong Kong, Ukraine, USA, Japan, Brazil, Iceland, Russia, Egypt, Germany, Austria & Korea and Mexico. Testimonials: http://www.donau-uni.ac.at/de/studium/medienkunstgeschichte/10365/index.php => LEONARDO/ISAST - Leonardo creates opportunities for the powerful exchange of ideas between practitioners in art, science and technology. Through publications, initiatives and public forums, Leonardo/ISAST facilitates cross-disciplinary research in these fields, seeking to catalyze fruitful solutions for the challenges of the 21st century. Application documents (digital): application form, a letter of motivation, copies of your previous degree(s), copy of your passport and a Europass CV Application Deadline: July 31, 2012 Further Information: www.donau-uni.ac.at/mah-scholar www.donau-uni.ac.at/mah www.leonardo.info www.virtualart.at www.mediaarthistories.org Contact: Wendy Coones Center for Image Science Danube University Krems Dr.-Karl-Dorrek-Str. 30, A-3500 Krems Tel: +43(0)2732 893-2543 wendy.coo...@donau-uni.ac.at www.donau-uni.ac.at/cis ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: BMW Tate Live Performance Room: Pablo Bronstein's Constantinople Kaleidoscope
When BMW meets Tate, state capitalism and private capitalism and the institutional delay I'm feeling supersonic Give me gin and tonic You can have it all but how much do you want it? You make me laugh Give me your autograph Can I ride with you in your BMW? You can sail with me in my yellow submarine You need to find out 'Cos no one's gonna tell you what I'm on about You need to find a way for what you want to say But before tomorrow Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:09:04 +0200 From: he...@creative-catalyst.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: BMW Tate Live Performance Room: Pablo Bronstein's Constantinople Kaleidoscope has anyone else had a look at this? i'm a bit stunned that they are describing what sounds like webcasting slightly augmented by social media as "an entirely new mode of presentation" ... on their web site, they even claim it as " the first artistic programme created purely for live web broadcast." where have they been for the last 15+ years i wonder??? Original Message Subject: BMW Tate Live Performance Room: Pablo Bronstein's Constantinople Kaleidoscope Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:00:11 -0400 From: e-flux Reply-To: i...@mailer.e-flux.com To: pa...@blindditch.org April 22, 2012 Tate Modern BMW Tate Live Performance Room: Pablo Bronstein Constantinople Kaleidoscope Online at www.youtube.com/tate on Thursday 26 April at 20:00 BST Share this BMW Tate Live Performance Room is a pioneering programme of live performances created exclusively for online broadcast, simultaneously reaching international audiences across world time zones. For the second performance in the BMW Tate Live Performance Room, Argentinean born artist Pablo Bronstein will premiere, Constantinople Kaleidoscope, an entirely new work made especially for the BMW Tate Live Performance Room. Involving a group of dancers, Bronstein will create a baroque trompe l'oeil stage set that exaggerates the perspective of the room with mirrored columns. Bronstein uses architectural design and drawing to engage with the grandiose and imperial past of the built environment and this preoccupation with form frequently extends into his live work. Audiences, who will only be able to view the performances on the internet, are invited to enter the online Performance Room via www.youtube.com/tate at 20.00 hrs in the UK and exactly the same moment across time zones on the specified dates—16.00 hrs on the East Coast of America, 21.00 hrs in mainline Europe and 23.00 hrs in Russia. The global audience are encouraged to chat with other viewers via social media channels and to put questions to the artists or curator following it using Tate's social media channels—twitter.com/tate using #BMWTateLiveQ and facebook.com/tategallery. The BMW Tate Live Performance Room was inaugurated by French choreographer and dancer Jérôme Bel with the work Shirtology@Tate on 22 March. Artists Emily Roysdon, Harrell Fletcher and Joan Jonas will also present works for the BMW Tate Live Performance Room in the coming months. On Thursday 31 May, American artist and writer, Emily Roysdon, explores the intersection of choreography and political action through a collaborative performance. Harrell Fletcher's work often takes the form of socially engaged and interdisciplinary
Re: [NetBehaviour] Contacts
Thanks ! Ruth Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:12:35 + From: ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Contacts Hi Eduardo, Sorry for the delay. Two media artists/organisers in Joburg Tegan Bristow http://www.teganbristow.co.za/ I particularly liked this project http://teganbristow.co.za/?p=103 Marcus Neustetter has run Trinity Sessions at The Premises for a very long time (I don't know his work well but he has been developing work in SA for a very long time) http://www.onair.co.za/broadcast/?page_id=83 cheers Ruth On 04/01/2012 14:04, Eduardo Valle wrote: Dear all members from the list, I am searching for contacts in relation to media art in those cities: Luanda - Angola Maputo - Moçambique Durban - South Africa Johanesbourg - South Africa Capetown - South Africa Thanks ! ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Contacts
Dear all members from the list, I am searching for contacts in relation to media art in those cities: Luanda - Angola Maputo - Moçambique Durban - South Africa Johanesbourg - South Africa Capetown - South Africa Thanks ! ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL
http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/geert/2011/10/12/franco-berardi-geert-lovink-a-call-to-the-army-of-love-and-to-the-army-of-software/ state capitalism + private capitalism = FINAZISM From: dudava...@hotmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:52:35 + Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL How can we talk about gueto when you see the appearance of 8 galleries dedicated for digital art in the world ? Last month was blackbox in Copenhagen. I agree with Geert in a lot of aspects in relation to the internt, but this one , no. And in fact we are seeing more and more artists from the contemporary art and also people from publicity looking at the digital art , i refuse the term "new" media. About Occupy, it was better to think about occupying with a cyberattack Wall Street (24hr without Wall Street system) rather than make a camp in the surroundings, but thats my opinion. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:51:30 +0100 From: redazi...@digicult.it To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Dear Geert, Simon and Ruth as discussing points that are part of a wider debate in Italy and Europe, that belong to Digicult's approach to art and culture more in general and fit a general tension of artists, designers and professionals working around these fields, I asked Geert the chance to publish this short and effective analysis on the last international version of Digimag (http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/) This is the direct link: http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/allegato.asp For those who are interested, this is also my own report from the last 15/10 "Occupy Rome" protest and interview to "Lavoratori dello Spettacolo" occupying the Teatro Valle in Rome: http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=2208. I hope it will be useful for further discussions and considerations best Marco 2011/11/30 ruth catlow Hi, Marc and I are just back from the NL, and so this exchange caught our eyes. We thought people might be interested - Simon ...you put it very well! cheers Ruth Original Message Subject: Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:04:41 + From: Simon Biggs Reply-To: soft_skinned_space To: soft_skinned_space Thanks for the report. All good points Geert. But the evidence is that new media artists are seeking to work in the "real world", as you call it (although that is a deeply problematic concept). Collective and non-institutional platforms like Furtherfield, Floss, FakePress and others have, in some instances, been doing this for years - often emerging out of the new media and net art scenes of the 80's and 90's and applying the networking and community building skills acquired through those earlier activities. You know this as well as anyone as you were (and are) part of this. In respect of the artist and academia connection - in many instances artist engagement with academia has been driven by the very forces you are describing. When the public funding of the arts dries up then the artists will go where the money is. If, for whatever reason, they find the commercial market (the art world) unviable then many will look to academia as this is a domain long use to spending money on non-instrumental activities. It is true that universities are under pressure to cut their non-vocational programmes and unprofitable research activities but many have the strength, often gained over time-frames far greater than our transient political and economic structures have existed, to resist the sniping of government, at least for a while. It is natural for artists to seek, and find a degree of, shelter under such umbrellas and the price to be paid is often small - if a price at all. Having the opportunity to share how and why what you do with others and to develop i t in collaboration with people from diverse disciplines is a great opportunity. You know this, as you work in academia. I agree the media art scene is something of a ghetto - but it isn't a cattle-market like the mainstream art world. The media art scene does indulge in navel gazing, like any self-defining community. Indeed, navel-gazing is probably a prerequisite to such self-definition. But many media artists can be found seeking to escape that definition at every opportunity. It can be argued that media art is what it is because the artists doing it so dislike being defined by their practices that they are constantly inventing new media forms in order to escape such definition. This is why media art seems unable to successfully define itself. To the art world that appears as a weakness. To those who wish to avoid or subvert the art world, whilst sustaining something like a "practice formerly known as art", this is a strength. None of this, of
Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL
http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/geert/2011/10/12/franco-berardi-geert-lovink-a-call-to-the-army-of-love-and-to-the-army-of-software/ state capitalism + provate capitalism = FINAZISM From: dudava...@hotmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:52:35 + Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL How can we talk about gueto when you see the appearance of 8 galleries dedicated for digital art in the world ? Last month was blackbox in Copenhagen. I agree with Geert in a lot of aspects in relation to the internt, but this one , no. And in fact we are seeing more and more artists from the contemporary art and also people from publicity looking at the digital art , i refuse the term "new" media. About Occupy, it was better to think about occupying with a cyberattack Wall Street (24hr without Wall Street system) rather than make a camp in the surroundings, but thats my opinion. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:51:30 +0100 From: redazi...@digicult.it To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Dear Geert, Simon and Ruth as discussing points that are part of a wider debate in Italy and Europe, that belong to Digicult's approach to art and culture more in general and fit a general tension of artists, designers and professionals working around these fields, I asked Geert the chance to publish this short and effective analysis on the last international version of Digimag (http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/) This is the direct link: http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/allegato.asp For those who are interested, this is also my own report from the last 15/10 "Occupy Rome" protest and interview to "Lavoratori dello Spettacolo" occupying the Teatro Valle in Rome: http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=2208. I hope it will be useful for further discussions and considerations best Marco 2011/11/30 ruth catlow Hi, Marc and I are just back from the NL, and so this exchange caught our eyes. We thought people might be interested - Simon ...you put it very well! cheers Ruth Original Message Subject: Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:04:41 + From: Simon Biggs Reply-To: soft_skinned_space To: soft_skinned_space Thanks for the report. All good points Geert. But the evidence is that new media artists are seeking to work in the "real world", as you call it (although that is a deeply problematic concept). Collective and non-institutional platforms like Furtherfield, Floss, FakePress and others have, in some instances, been doing this for years - often emerging out of the new media and net art scenes of the 80's and 90's and applying the networking and community building skills acquired through those earlier activities. You know this as well as anyone as you were (and are) part of this. In respect of the artist and academia connection - in many instances artist engagement with academia has been driven by the very forces you are describing. When the public funding of the arts dries up then the artists will go where the money is. If, for whatever reason, they find the commercial market (the art world) unviable then many will look to academia as this is a domain long use to spending money on non-instrumental activities. It is true that universities are under pressure to cut their non-vocational programmes and unprofitable research activities but many have the strength, often gained over time-frames far greater than our transient political and economic structures have existed, to resist the sniping of government, at least for a while. It is natural for artists to seek, and find a degree of, shelter under such umbrellas and the price to be paid is often small - if a price at all. Having the opportunity to share how and why what you do with others and to develop i t in collaboration with people from diverse disciplines is a great opportunity. You know this, as you work in academia. I agree the media art scene is something of a ghetto - but it isn't a cattle-market like the mainstream art world. The media art scene does indulge in navel gazing, like any self-defining community. Indeed, navel-gazing is probably a prerequisite to such self-definition. But many media artists can be found seeking to escape that definition at every opportunity. It can be argued that media art is what it is because the artists doing it so dislike being defined by their practices that they are constantly inventing new media forms in order to escape such definition. This is why media art seems unable to successfully define itself. To the art world that appears as a weakness. To those who wish to avoid or subvert the art world, whilst sustaining something like a "practice formerly known as art", this is a strength. None of this, of
Re: [NetBehaviour] three great shows in London
Eyeball Massage from Pipilotti Rist in Hayward Andrei Molodkin at Art Sensus > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:57:22 + > From: dave.miller...@gmail.com > To: szp...@yahoo.com; netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] three great shows in London > > Thanks Michael - will go to these - personal recommendation is always the > best! > > Hope you're well > > all the best > dave > > On 10 December 2011 13:39, Michael Szpakowski wrote: > > If you're in or neat London, the George Condo at the Hayward and the early > > Barry Flanagan at Tate Britain are two wonderful shows... > > I saw them straight after seeing the Richter at Tate Modern and although I > > love his work, there is something about these two shows that excited and > > touched me in an altogether different, and I have to say, much deeper way. > > Although the Condos are quite, quite grotesque they are also, paradoxically, > > very beautiful indeed (partly to do with their hugely detailed and worked > > over surfaces, which are lavish and subtle and utterly captivating - one > > could spend hours with a single piece) . > > Why people aren't knocking down the doors to get into the Flanagan utterly > > defeats me -it is gorgeous, every bit of it, working its way from the early > > "conceptual" sand and cloth and rope and wood and stone pieces to finish > > with a room of the hare sculptures that occupied him for the rest of his > > life ( and one of the great merits of the show is that, having seen it, the > > apparently stark division into two quite different sections of Flanagan's > > career appears natural and almost invevitable). Plus there are lots of his > > drawings which exemplify a lot better than I could ever attempt to explain > > in words just how complex, rich and quixotic the practice of drawing is... > > > > The Flanagan finishes 2nd January, the Condo runs till the 8th... > > > > http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/condo/exhibition/abstract-figuration > > > > http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/barryflanagan/default.shtm > > > > michael > > > > PS The Sasnal at the Whitechapel, another essential show, closes on January > > the first... > > > > http://www.whitechapelgallery.org/exhibitions/wilhelm-sasnal > > > > ___ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL
How can we talk about gueto when you see the appearance of 8 galleries dedicated for digital art in the world ? Last month was blackbox in Copenhagen. I agree with Geert in a lot of aspects in relation to the internt, but this one , no. And in fact we are seeing more and more artists from the contemporary art and also people from publicity looking at the digital art , i refuse the term "new" media. About Occupy, it was better to think about occupying with a cyberattack Wall Street (24hr without Wall Street system) rather than make a camp in the surroundings, but thats my opinion. Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:51:30 +0100 From: redazi...@digicult.it To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Geert Lovink & Simon Biggs exchange Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Dear Geert, Simon and Ruth as discussing points that are part of a wider debate in Italy and Europe, that belong to Digicult's approach to art and culture more in general and fit a general tension of artists, designers and professionals working around these fields, I asked Geert the chance to publish this short and effective analysis on the last international version of Digimag (http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/) This is the direct link: http://www.digicult.it/digimag_eng/allegato.asp For those who are interested, this is also my own report from the last 15/10 "Occupy Rome" protest and interview to "Lavoratori dello Spettacolo" occupying the Teatro Valle in Rome: http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=2208. I hope it will be useful for further discussions and considerations best Marco 2011/11/30 ruth catlow Hi, Marc and I are just back from the NL, and so this exchange caught our eyes. We thought people might be interested - Simon ...you put it very well! cheers Ruth Original Message Subject: Re: [-empyre-] short report from NL Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:04:41 + From: Simon Biggs Reply-To: soft_skinned_space To: soft_skinned_space Thanks for the report. All good points Geert. But the evidence is that new media artists are seeking to work in the "real world", as you call it (although that is a deeply problematic concept). Collective and non-institutional platforms like Furtherfield, Floss, FakePress and others have, in some instances, been doing this for years - often emerging out of the new media and net art scenes of the 80's and 90's and applying the networking and community building skills acquired through those earlier activities. You know this as well as anyone as you were (and are) part of this. In respect of the artist and academia connection - in many instances artist engagement with academia has been driven by the very forces you are describing. When the public funding of the arts dries up then the artists will go where the money is. If, for whatever reason, they find the commercial market (the art world) unviable then many will look to academia as this is a domain long use to spending money on non-instrumental activities. It is true that universities are under pressure to cut their non-vocational programmes and unprofitable research activities but many have the strength, often gained over time-frames far greater than our transient political and economic structures have existed, to resist the sniping of government, at least for a while. It is natural for artists to seek, and find a degree of, shelter under such umbrellas and the price to be paid is often small - if a price at all. Having the opportunity to share how and why what you do with others and to develop i t in collaboration with people from diverse disciplines is a great opportunity. You know this, as you work in academia. I agree the media art scene is something of a ghetto - but it isn't a cattle-market like the mainstream art world. The media art scene does indulge in navel gazing, like any self-defining community. Indeed, navel-gazing is probably a prerequisite to such self-definition. But many media artists can be found seeking to escape that definition at every opportunity. It can be argued that media art is what it is because the artists doing it so dislike being defined by their practices that they are constantly inventing new media forms in order to escape such definition. This is why media art seems unable to successfully define itself. To the art world that appears as a weakness. To those who wish to avoid or subvert the art world, whilst sustaining something like a "practice formerly known as art", this is a strength. None of this, of course, should take us away from the issue of cuts in public support for the arts, which in the UK (at least) have followed even greater cuts in public support for education (80%). But we should keep such cuts in context, which is that they are symptomatic of a deeper wind-change in the settlement between the public and private sectors, the extent of government responsibility and the
Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer want to be an Artist: Free (?) Culture(s) Licenses are not Art Manifestos
1) Software is a product or a service ? Because if we look at that as service , for the users they are equal. And as product even worse they had the same lay out and the same GUI. So, no innovation on both. They are both products on the market. 2) How can you say that for example Wikipedia does not have a moderator ? (the others sites that you mentioned i will check) What CC mostly say is use this license (i know that are various types of it) so you are "protected", but it turns to them no problem in having your content, since they will not sell them, because what they care is to sell technologies, systems and control the content without any legal problems in case you accept the license. Facebook and Twitter have terms of use, we supose people know it. But putting a brand CC on your site it is cool and hype but this in fact allowed anyone to have your content, without any legal problems. 3) Whats the legitimacy in countries with different legal systems ? UK empire did not accept, for example. Years ago the theme of Ars Eletronica was Goodbye Privacy ! We live in a world with a lot of Cultures and Digital Culture is a restrictive term that must be rethinked. You can see, that with the widespread of "personal" computers and the net , we are seeing the digitalization of a lot of different cultures, what is very different than Digital Culture. So, Intel dictatorship, ICANN dictatorship, Apple Dictatorship (it was Microsoft on the 90s), Google dictatorship ... but the software is "free", digital culture is "free" too, living in "free" culture and with "free" data. Dont get me wrong it is time for revision, open source software certainly is not free , it is just open, and even open for the ones that wants to learn programming. But if you offer the same as the others in terms of GUI , what to say ? With no innovation things will be hard for open source software, they can sell to enterprises and goverments because the prices are lower, because there are no royalties, but they will not get any far without innovation. 8% for the Pirates on the last Berlin elections. I will not even mentioned the dictatorship of the files. http://books.google.com.br/books/about/Teor%C3%ADa_digital.html?id=WfJDAQAAIAAJ - the chapter of Ted Nelson talks about the files dictatorship. And about the satelites ? Are they free too ? In 2013 will be for example 20 years of the first web browser with images, maybe 2012 will be a good year for a meeting to discuss about what is going on after all this time. > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:47:20 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer want to be an Artist: Free (?) > Culture(s) Licenses are not Art Manifestos > > On 15/11/11 21:54, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Compatible is not equal so the British as a "good" and old empire will > > be independent from a USA- NGO financed by Soros and etc. > > Certainly there's no upgrade path to be abused if CC turn evil, and I > can easily imagine sovereignty concerns playing a part. > > The OGL is usable alongside data under pretty much any free licence, but > specifically resembles CC-BY. > > > They say to you use this license but they dont care about tracking in > > fact they can track you, because they just want to control the content > > Tracking does not require free licencing. The major trackers all use > Terms and Conditions to track you. > > > and not to sell your product (only if they think they profit - profit in > > a broader sense). What they care is about selling technologies and > > systems , and off course control the content , and also hype the ones > > that are using in order to expand their network. > > Yes. Which is why it's strange Facebook and Twitter don't hype the > "technologies" of these licences. > > > The benefit for the public ? Shure ? I am not shure, the systems of > > tracking and the internet police are getting worse, so whats the use of > > it ? > > The benefit of data to the public. Free culture and free data do not > presuppose or support tracking. > > > Digital Culture is a term invented that can not be applied nowadays, > > what we are seeing is a process of digitalization > > of different cultures, in a world of various cultures. > > Yes I'd like to understand this better. > > > Sorry about my ignorance but what is FGPA and Tor style systems ? > > FGPA is "Field Gate Programmable Arrays", they are a kind of microchip > that can be structured through software and used to emulate microprocessors: > > http://www.opensparc.net/fpga/index.html > > http://www.ht-lab.com/freecores/cpu
Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer want to be an Artist: Free (?) Culture(s) Licenses are not Art Manifestos
Compatible is not equal so the British as a "good" and old empire will be independent from a USA- NGO financed by Soros and etc. They say to you use this license but they dont care about tracking in fact they can track you, because they just want to control the content and not to sell your product (only if they think they profit - profit in a broader sense). What they care is about selling technologies and systems , and off course control the content , and also hype the ones that are using in order to expand their network. The benefit for the public ? Shure ? I am not shure, the systems of tracking and the internet police are getting worse, so whats the use of it ? Digital Culture is a term invented that can not be applied nowadays, what we are seeing is a process of digitalization of different cultures, in a world of various cultures. Sorry about my ignorance but what is FGPA and Tor style systems ? Software is a product or a service ? Because if we look at that as service , for the users they are equal. And as product even worse they had the same lay out and the same GUI. So, no innovation on both. They are both products on the market. IPV6 is a private concern ? Can you develop on that. How can you say that Culture Flat Rate does not work ? Have you read the reports on it ? Systems - interfaces - terms of use - moderators - quite the same everywhere. Free software but microprocessors dictatorship ? What i am saying is that 2 companies dominate that market of microprocessors (your computer run without them ?), whats the alternative to that and how can you talk about a free software in that situation. > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:25:16 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as > Art Manifestos. > > On 14/11/11 22:47, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > Creative Commons is a NGO financed by Google (we are not evil :-))) and > > HP , invented and promoted by a Prof of Law from Havard, > > Larry Lessig. > > Oh it's far worse than that. They were originally funded by Soros's OSI > and have received donations from Microsoft. > > ;-) > > > The same University that costs 25.000 per semester for a student , in > > Europe or in any other country of the world this will pay at least one > > year of studies and in same cases all the masters course. > > Yes this is why I don't like educational institutions using > Non-Commercial licences. > > > Some goverments are adopting this license without even think about, the > > interests behind, who benefit from that ? > > The public. > > > Why the British goverment didnt accepted ? > > The UK Government wrote their vanity licence because the CC licences are > not currently recommended for data (this should be fixed in next year's > version 4 revisions), and the licence needed to be used for data such as > maps and statistics. > > They did explicitly write it to be compatible with the Creative Commons > Attribution licence, though. > > > Free Software, Free Culture - this terms should be rethinked it is like > > Digital Culture - > > > > Are you free ? What is freedom ? > > In this context, free as in free speech. > > >Are we living under the digitalization of cultures instead of "digital > >culture" ? > > Can you expand on that? It's sounds like a really important distinction. > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as Art Manifestos.
How can we think about free software or free culture living under: ICANN dictatorship ?Microprocessors dictatorship ? For the Empire Version 2.0 (facebook-google-twitter) is it interesting to have a license like creative commons where they can track without legal problems ? How about IPV6 and the limits of the net ? Can we talk about Culture Flat Rate ? How is it going ? Free Culture or freedom to track ? Free software but microprocessors dictatorship ? Digital Culture but living unde the process of digitalization of different culture ? (with a lot s - i mean plural) How about the colonization of "real time" by USA with (google-facebook-twitter) ? From: dudava...@hotmail.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:47:23 + Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as Art Manifestos. Creative Commons is a NGO financed by Google (we are not evil :-))) and HP , invented and promoted by a Prof of Law from Havard, Larry Lessig. The same University that costs 25.000 per semester for a student , in Europe or in any other country of the world this will pay at least one year of studies and in same cases all the masters course. I am not against USA or Havard, i find for example Howard Gardner a great professor. Some goverments are adopting this license without even think about, the interests behind, who benefit from that ? Why the British goverment didnt accepted ? Free Software, Free Culture - this terms should be rethinked it is like Digital Culture - Are you free ? What is freedom ? Are we living under the digitalization of cultures instead of "digital culture" ? > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:47:47 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as > Art Manifestos. > > On 14/11/11 21:36, Secret Artist wrote: > > what's the difrence between copyleft and creative commons ? > > Copyleft is a particular way of licencing a copyrighted work in order to > restore the freedom that copyright removes. If you receive a copylefted > work you are free to use it as you wish. *As long as* you pass on that > freedom to others when you distribute copies of the work or works that > are based on it. You do this by placing them under the same licence. > > Creative Commons are an organization that produce a range of copyright > licences for cultural works. Their "Attribution ShareAlike" licence is a > copyleft licence. Most of their other licences aren't free for any > common definition of free-as-in-freedom. > > It's confusing to talk about "Creative Commons Licences", people should > always specify the exact licence that they mean. > > > btw - Lawrence Lessig has some great lectures about this topic > > Lessig's "Free Culture" is well worth reading as well: > > http://www.free-culture.cc/ > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as Art Manifestos.
Creative Commons is a NGO financed by Google (we are not evil :-))) and HP , invented and promoted by a Prof of Law from Havard, Larry Lessig. The same University that costs 25.000 per semester for a student , in Europe or in any other country of the world this will pay at least one year of studies and in same cases all the masters course. I am not against USA or Havard, i find for example Howard Gardner a great professor. Some goverments are adopting this license without even think about, the interests behind, who benefit from that ? Why the British goverment didnt accepted ? Free Software, Free Culture - this terms should be rethinked it is like Digital Culture - Are you free ? What is freedom ? Are we living under the digitalization of cultures instead of "digital culture" ? > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:47:47 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] My Lawyer is an Artist: Free Culture Licenses as > Art Manifestos. > > On 14/11/11 21:36, Secret Artist wrote: > > what's the difrence between copyleft and creative commons ? > > Copyleft is a particular way of licencing a copyrighted work in order to > restore the freedom that copyright removes. If you receive a copylefted > work you are free to use it as you wish. *As long as* you pass on that > freedom to others when you distribute copies of the work or works that > are based on it. You do this by placing them under the same licence. > > Creative Commons are an organization that produce a range of copyright > licences for cultural works. Their "Attribution ShareAlike" licence is a > copyleft licence. Most of their other licences aren't free for any > common definition of free-as-in-freedom. > > It's confusing to talk about "Creative Commons Licences", people should > always specify the exact licence that they mean. > > > btw - Lawrence Lessig has some great lectures about this topic > > Lessig's "Free Culture" is well worth reading as well: > > http://www.free-culture.cc/ > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Is the history of art repeating itself ? A geopolitical analysis and comparison of contemporary art and electronic art
Dear Simon, The interesting point about this site is not the ranking itself , but HOW this ranking is made, what are the criterias ? How an artist "gets points" in this ranking ? For example, two years ago, when Cildo Meireles, the first brazilian conceptual artist who had an retrospective in Tate , at that time he was between the top 100. It is just an example how this ranking works. Art Power from Art Review is another criteria , HOW does it works ? Until now there is no ranking for digital art, as far as i know. Best Regards, Duda From: si...@littlepig.org.uk Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:45:30 + To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Is the history of art repeating itself ? A geopolitical analysis and comparison of contemporary art andelectronic art Just looked myself up on this site. I didn't expect to be there - but I am. My value is falling, from 8000ish in 2008 to 12000ish. The graph looks like the value of the UK Pound against the Australian dollar. What a weird way to think about artists and art. But I feel put in my place, that's for sure. I'm nowhere's ville... For what it's worth, the top rated artist who routinely uses digital media is probably Andreas Gursky at 32. However, he's not a digital artist as such. He uses the computer as a tool, not a medium. I doubt he considers computational processes as essential to the conceptual nature of his practice or the resultant artefacts. Christian Marclay is similar, at 96, as is Muntadas at 254. The highest ranking artist who I'd consider a practitioner who does emphasise the computer in their practice is Peter Weibel at 358. But that is strange as he is better known as an educator, administrator or curator than a practitioner. Cao Fei is more like it, at 418. Lozano-Hemmer is at 751 and Otto Piene at 843. But none of these artists are really digital artists in the sense I understand that term. Manfred Mohr appears to be the top rated artist who uses computation as central in his work, at 1119. So, it's nice to know that a digital artist almost gets into the top 1000. That is reassuring. Manfred gives us hope. Not sure why Ai Wei Wei is at 401 when he recently topped the art power list? The list seems arbitrary, with major names quite far down and people I've never heard of near the top (although I do not read art magazines anymore as they are just full of advertising). Oh well, that was 15 minutes of my life wasted - but it saves me reading the magazines, I hope. best Simon On 2 Nov 2011, at 16:53, Eduardo Valle wrote:Dear Rob, Thanks for you comments. I agree that is a question of scale and also time, if you think that one of the majors Festivals related to the digital art is about 30 years old (Ars Eletronica), but the pattern is already repeating on a diferent scale. About the data they came from sites on the web : the galleries dedicated to digital art and their casting : bitforms , Bryce Wolkowitz, Postmastersart, Numeriscausa, Fabio Paris, DAM Berlin, DAM Cologne and Island6 (Shangai) the data from Ars Eletronica - from the site of ars eletronica The data about artists ranking on the investor site: www.artfacts.net The data about collectors: www.artnews.com * Here is point obscure where i can find data about collectors on digital art ? Fairs: ArtBasel and SP Arte - from their sites As you can see on the Conceptual Map: The Web of Art there are lot of others instances and players to be explored in terms of data and i didnt analyse the relationship between them , i just showed some data about 5 instances and players. It is also important to say that the data is not analysed in a scientific way (stat tests, big samples) it was only a "scan". The work that i develop is about conceptual maps and in this case i separate the one called The Web of Art and analyse that in geopolitical terms and made a comparison about contemporary and electronic. Another important point is to notice that in the two conceptual maps about The Fairs , is that i am showing that what can be periphery in one place can be a center in another place. Looking forward to hear from you. best regards, Duda Valle > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:37:50 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Is the history of art repeating itself ? A > geopolitical analysis and comparison of contemporary art and electronic art > > On 30/10/11 13:28, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > You will find attach a presentation on the Rewire conference in Liverpool. > > > > If this is not the correct procedure and if the subject is not relevant > > in this list , please let me know. > > It's entirely correct and relevant. :-) Thank you for sending this. > > The complaint that digital artists always make about the difference
Re: [NetBehaviour] Is the history of art repeating itself ? A geopolitical analysis and comparison of contemporary art and electronic art
Dear Rob, Thanks for you comments. I agree that is a question of scale and also time, if you think that one of the majors Festivals related to the digital art is about 30 years old (Ars Eletronica), but the pattern is already repeating on a diferent scale. About the data they came from sites on the web : the galleries dedicated to digital art and their casting : bitforms , Bryce Wolkowitz, Postmastersart, Numeriscausa, Fabio Paris, DAM Berlin, DAM Cologne and Island6 (Shangai) the data from Ars Eletronica - from the site of ars eletronica The data about artists ranking on the investor site: www.artfacts.net The data about collectors: www.artnews.com * Here is point obscure where i can find data about collectors on digital art ? Fairs: ArtBasel and SP Arte - from their sites As you can see on the Conceptual Map: The Web of Art there are lot of others instances and players to be explored in terms of data and i didnt analyse the relationship between them , i just showed some data about 5 instances and players. It is also important to say that the data is not analysed in a scientific way (stat tests, big samples) it was only a "scan". The work that i develop is about conceptual maps and in this case i separate the one called The Web of Art and analyse that in geopolitical terms and made a comparison about contemporary and electronic. Another important point is to notice that in the two conceptual maps about The Fairs , is that i am showing that what can be periphery in one place can be a center in another place. Looking forward to hear from you. best regards, Duda Valle > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:37:50 + > From: r...@robmyers.org > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Is the history of art repeating itself ? A > geopolitical analysis and comparison of contemporary art and electronic art > > On 30/10/11 13:28, Eduardo Valle wrote: > > You will find attach a presentation on the Rewire conference in Liverpool. > > > > If this is not the correct procedure and if the subject is not relevant > > in this list , please let me know. > > It's entirely correct and relevant. :-) Thank you for sending this. > > The complaint that digital artists always make about the difference > between the contemporary and digital artworlds is that there is > precisely no money in the digital artworld. Looking at your presentation > that looks like a simple product of relative scale. Do you think that's > right? > > I'm very interested in analysing art and the artworld using data at the > moment. Did you use any particular sources for your statistics or are > they the product of trawling through the paperwork? > > - Rob. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
