Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.
hello, yep, not sure OOP¨has something to do with OOP cite Graham Harman “Object-Oriented Philosophy” This term is my own coinage, dating to 1999. (If anyone used the phrase earlier than that, I was unaware of it but would be happy to credit it if it is brought to my attention.) (...) In short, object-oriented philosophy involves a fairly general set of minimal standards that leaves a good bit of room for personal variation. You can agree with Whitehead rather than me and still be an object-oriented philosopher. My own version has not just one, but two basic principles: 1. Individual entities of various different scales (not just tiny quarks and electrons) are the ultimate stuff of the cosmos. 2. These entities are never exhausted by any of their relations or even by their sum of all possible relations. Objects withdraw from relation. /cite http://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/brief-srooo-tutorial/ Le 30/12/2011 13:31, Simon Biggs a écrit : People are not black-boxes. We are not simple (or even complex) instances of a class of some kind. OOP's is a very powerful means for creating meaning and action in machines and artificial systems but as a metaphor for human beingness it seems too neat to account for the complexity and multi-valent connectivity that exists between us. We are messy creatures without clear boundaries to individuate us. Our definition is probably less about things (or objects) than dynamic relations as flux. best Simon On 30 Dec 2011, at 12:12, Richard Wright wrote: Things, not Objects - Bruno Latour From: marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org Date: 29 December 2011 12:08:56 GMT To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions. Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions. Jussi Parikka I can’t claim that I know too much about object oriented philosophy. It’s often more about my friends or colleagues talking about it, enthusiastically for or against. Indeed, I have been one of those who has at best followed some of the arguments but not really dipped too deeply into the debates – which from early on, formed around specific persons, specific arguments, and a specific way of interacting. Hence, let me just be naïve for a second, and think aloud a couple of questions: - I wonder if there is a problem with the notion of object in the sense that it still implies paradoxically quite a correlationist, or lets say, human-centred view to the world; is not the talk of “object” something that summons an image of perceptible, clearly lined, even stable entity – something that to human eyes could be thought of as the normal mode of perception. We see objects in the world. Humans, benches, buses, cats, trashcans, gloves, computers, images, and so forth. But what would a cat, bench, bus, trashcan, or a computer “see”, or sense? more... http://jussiparikka.net/2011/12/21/ooq-object-oriented-questions/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK skype: simonbiggsuk s.bi...@ed.ac.uk Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.movingtargets.co.uk/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.
very confusing... about the relation (or not) between Object Oriented Philosophy Object Oriented Programming http://www.bogost.com/blog/objectoriented_p.shtml Le 30/12/2011 18:50, Rob Myers a écrit : On 30/12/11 17:10, Simon Biggs wrote: The programming dimension seems to be at the heart of the argument. There are various different versions of OOP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming In particular, multimethod-based OOP doesn't require that objects own or contain the actions that can be performed upon them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimethod And there are more modern programming paradigms than OOP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigms OOP is certainly still current in programming, but there are other programming paradigms that mesh better with the philosophy of mathematics at least. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Something of a forgotten space II
evolutive online picture http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/ph/15/image.php ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Something of a forgotten space II
hi Marc, you're welcome :) does your desktop download the picture from network at regular interval or did you save a picture on your hard drive ? Le 13/11/2011 15:39, marc garrett a écrit : thanks Yann, I think I have just found a new background image for my desktop :-) marc evolutive online picture http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/ph/15/image.php ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] help us rebuild a map of the world
Hello, dear NetBehaviourists, RT @ylg11: Help us rebuild a map of the world (RT as far as u can ;) : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/ph/13/image3.php asynchronized ? , ? http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/ph/13/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Cumulative grid 4
Cumulative grid 4 online variable picture, JPEG, 1 280px x 720px, 2011 http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/gc/04/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] website + statement updates
My current artistic research explores the relationship between space and time of places and space and time of information, or how our perceptions of one and another are transformed through these relationships. This research takes the shape of online digital pictures, photographs changed by programs on the web at the time of their consultation. The nature of these programs and variables defines fields of variations, image matrix in which unfold unstable images. Online devices for production of images are at the intersection of the perceived environment and data traffic on digital communication networks. The images reflect changes in perception brought about by technological change that accompanies a possible reconsideration of the nature of space and time. The images become the place of interference and interaction between the local and the remote, past and future, the abstract and the concrete, the virtual and the actual, real and fictional, presence and absence. http://www.yannleguennec.com/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] bug report about furtherfield.org
troubles with accentuated (accented?) latin characters http://www.furtherfield.org/netbehaviour/rectangle-central-0 what follows will not be imported from the netbehaviour list to the new furtherfield website : é à è hello world this is a test ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] bug report about furtherfield.org
POC Le 29/01/2011 23:14, Yann Le Guennec a écrit : troubles with accentuated (accented?) latin characters http://www.furtherfield.org/netbehaviour/rectangle-central-0 what follows will not be imported from the netbehaviour list to the new furtherfield website : é à è hello world this is a test ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Rectangle central
Rectangle central - Cap de la Chèvre - janvier 2011 Add a picture : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/rc/01/image.php Dynamic archive : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/rc/01/archive.php Best, Yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Rectangle central
some comments from FB about : http://www.ur1.ca/30r9x # Heidi Ting if somewhat its a real structure! # Yann Le Guennec Yes Heidi! thanks for your comment. We can look at this picture for what it is : the result and archive of a networked process (something in the past), but also for what it could be : a project for a concrete and variable structure (something in the future) ...that's what i try to say in this statement : http://www.yannleguennec.com/elements/en/demarche # Heidi Ting yes and that makes it sails across different dimensions. from real place- to a digital documentation- networked edition- back to the real place with variable structure. Wonderful works! # Yann Le Guennec thanks Le 26/01/2011 18:25, Yann Le Guennec a écrit : Rectangle central - Cap de la Chèvre - janvier 2011 Add a picture : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/rc/01/image.php Dynamic archive : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/rc/01/archive.php Best, Yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] black cross is made with your IP address
(black cross is made with your IP address) Add your IP : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/crx/01/image.php Dynamic archive : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/crx/01/archive.php ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] black cross is made with your IP address
+ source code for those who like that (PHP) http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/crx/01/image.php.txt Le 05/12/2010 21:51, Yann Le Guennec a écrit : (black cross is made with your IP address) Add your IP : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/crx/01/image.php Dynamic archive : http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/crx/01/archive.php ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Inhabited Landscape VII (Psycho-machine x2)
http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/ph/07/image.php ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Simon Biggs a revisionist of his own history?
It's an effect of recombinant archive principles ;-) http://www.mail-archive.com/emp...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au/msg02333.html Le 12/11/2010 02:01, Simone Bigger a écrit : is Simon Biggs a revisionist of his own history? The website http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ has the claim at this site since 1994. Yet this domain appears to have been registered no earlier than May 2001 (see Nominet UK). If we go wayback http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://littlepig.org.uk that date tallies. But, we also find in 2001 that claim was since 1995. the plot thickens. wonder whats going on here then??? is this just an elaborate cover for a shamefully poor website??? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Help host and join the virtual sit-in in solidarity with october7th actions for education!
ETOY is back ? ;-) well, jokes appart, it's difficult for me today to believe that we need to fight the dead system with the dead arms of the dead system... but on another side, it's always pleasant to count yourself... cheers, yann Le 07/10/2010 00:35, micha cárdenas a écrit : zip file for #oct7 virtual sit-in is here: http://is.gd/fOxdG download pdf, rename to tgz, unzip and mirror! and share your url! /Virtual Sit-In for October 7th Day of Action for Public Education/// In solidarity with the October 7th Day of Action for Public Education we call for a virtual sit-in of the websites of the Office of the President of the University of California and the UC Regents. This virtual sit-in will take place for all of October 7th, from 12:00AM the night before to 11:59PM the night of. *We need hosting for this action. Please contact any of us if you can provide hosting for the html files for the action.* Recent actions taken on March 4th by students, faculty, staff and allies around the world were joined online by a virtual sit-in. The swift and violent response to the virtual sit-in from the UC administration and police against Ricardo Dominguez only reveal the effectiveness of the action and must be seen as part of a larger strategy of the criminalization of resistance including the arrest of hundreds of faculty, students and staff around the world who are struggling to redefine what the future of education will be. The UC continues to make efforts to expand the prison-military-university-industrial complex in the face of demands, occupations, strikes and blockades by those willing to put their bodies, physically and digitally, on the line for a better future for education. By organizing this action, in the tradition of ECD as a distributed tactic as performed by the Electrohippies, the Federation of Random Action and the borderlands Hacklab, we are demonstrating that the hydra has a million heads and Yudof, the Regents and their police cannot stop Electronic Civil Disobedience by putting their boot on the neck of one man. A virtual sit-in is a mass action by thousands of people and we will not be stopped. More virtual strikes can be expected until: * The budget cuts across the UC system are turned back * Those laid off in the past year are rehired * Charges are dropped and investigations ended against all of those arrested for struggling for the future of their education Join the actions in the streets, the campuses and the university buildings if you can. If you want to join the virtual sit-in, go here for a list of urls: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/10/01/18660447.php?show_comments=1 http://october7thecd.wordpress.com If you have any questions about this e-action contact: (alphabetical) Zach Blas, zachb...@gmail.com Xandre Borghetti Micha Cárdenas, azdelsl...@gmail.com Elizabeth Chaney, chane...@gmail.com Holly Eskew, h.es...@sbcglobal.net John Falchi, pacerj...@sbcglobal.net Autumn Hays, autumnh...@ymail.com Lindsay brandon hunter, lindsaybran...@gmail.com Linzi Juliano Rashne Limki Bradley Litwin Benjamin Lotan, benjaminlo...@gmail.com Luis Martin-Cabrera Elle Mehrmand, ellemehrm...@gmail.com Courtney Ryan, crdra...@gmail.com Lisa Sloan, lisaasl...@gmail.com If you would like to help organize the action and be added to the list of organizers, email us. -- micha cárdenas Co-Author, Trans Desire / Affective Cyborgs, Atropos Press, http://is.gd/daO00 Lecturer, Visual Arts Department, University of California, San Diego Lecturer, Critical Gender Studies Program, University of California, San Diego Artist/Researcher, UCSD School of Medicine Artist/Theorist, bang.lab, http://bang.calit2.net blog: http://transreal.org gpg: http://is.gd/ebWx9 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] learning back
Greetings across the electronic frontier Howie B: For me, it's all a case of handshaking. It's got to be everybody being more social. I think that's what music's about: being social, people in the same room communicating. I think that's what's got to happen. Technology's there, you either use it or not: it doesn't matter. It's just got to be more social. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/wire96b.html#cultural ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Brigitte Bardot 'Contact' 1968.
sorry, i'm not registered,and will never be (2 facebook ... and other closed systems) Le 19/09/2010 18:49, Franck Ancel a écrit : See there a Schöffer's Prism picture on FB taken by me last month in Paris during a visit in his house! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6731664id=740230930ref=fbx_album 2010/9/19 marc garrettmarc.garr...@furtherfield.org Brigitte Bardot 'Contact' 1968. Contact a cybernetic retro-futuristic video clip from 1968 Musique Serge Gainsbourg featuring Brigitte Bardot in a Paco Rabanne dress and surrounded by cinetic sculptures by Nicolas Schöffer. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj023_brigitte-bardot-y-contact-y-1968_music marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Macro
kiss your lips Le 07/09/2010 00:17, Alan Sondheim a écrit : I REALLY admire people who know Lisp; I've tried to do things with it but beyond car cdr etc have been completely lost! - Alan On Mon, 6 Sep 2010, Rob Myers wrote: On 09/06/2010 09:24 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: Macro [robmy...@workstation ~]$ sbcl This is SBCL 1.0.38-2.fc13, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp. More information about SBCL is available athttp://www.sbcl.org/. SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty. It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the distribution for more information. * (defmacro art () `'alan-sondheim) ART * (art) ALAN-SONDHEIM * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] rising sea level
urban structure reconfigured by the flow (of data) architecture of errors (HTTP/404) rising sea level (undefined) http://www.yannleguennec.com/elements/en/elevation-du-niveau-de-la-mer-1 / structure urbaine reconfigurée par les flux (de données) architecture des erreurs (HTTP/404) élévation du niveau de la mer (indéfinie) http://www.yannleguennec.com/elements/fr/elevation-du-niveau-de-la-mer-1 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] new works
http://www.yannleguennec.com/elements/en/incidence-pyramidale-1 http://www.yannleguennec.com/elements/en/incidence-pyramidale-2 cheers, yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Streams of errors
Streams of errors serie uses 1024 most recent HTTP/404 errors which occur on my website. Each IP address provoking an error is converted into a vertical line composed with 4 segments. All lines are juxtaposed horizontaly from left to right. Picture is reloaded every minute. http://www.yannleguennec.com/?serie=4 + Another version uses 1280 most recent HTTP/404 errors in order to produce HD video. Example: Stream of errors III - La Mayenne - 4 hours of 404 Errors http://www.vimeo.com/13060341 -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] hello 404
http://www.yannleguennec.com/w/pe/06/ codebreaker a écrit : nuttynetbehaviorandherdiscipleswwwritingtypinggg goingnotknowingglimpsescaughtintopsychesthrucodeBREAKING thatiscorrectnoneedforspacesanymorethisismucheasieronthetyperandthereadermustevolvesoweallcanpullmewithyouovertheabysstothelandoftextualcommunicationandihopeiremainhuman CODEBREAKER http://www.it-all.com/blog/index.php?seed=197iControl=4 by CODEBREAKER 2010-06-25 22:50:12 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Adventures of a Networked Explorer.
A living, breathing, thriving networked neighbourhood… We are on Twitter http://twitter.com/furtherfield sorry, but i don't have enough mail accounts to create a new twitter account, so, if i want to create a new twitter account , i have to create a new mail account with ... eg ... googlemail asking for ... a new name and new what ? new IP ? and so on... What does it mean ? this whole system is mainly a *data retention system*, unable to adapt itself to human behavior, pure shit, (yes, like in the intestine, when nothing can go out...) ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Philosophy students and staff suspended
how do you call LMD in your country ? Bologna saucisse? // Simon Biggs a écrit : I¹m an ex-Middlesex lecturer as well. It was always a fairly brutal and instrumentalist place. However, what is currently happening takes the biscuit. I would not be surprised if this triggers some more radical action against the executive. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:43:17 +0100 To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Philosophy students and staff suspended -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/22/2010 04:40 PM, marc garrett wrote: Philosophy students and staff suspended Posted on 21 May 2010 by aletheiaticverse http://savemdxphil.com/2010/05/21/philosophy-students-and-staff-suspended/ Some Middlesex University Philosophy students, along with Philosophy professors Peter Osborne and Peter Hallward, were suspended from the University this afternoon. That's terrible. The philosophy dept. have shown and continue to show far more business acumen than the thought leaders (sic) who are trying to purge them for not being cretino-corporate enough. I'm a former MDX student and lecturer. I wonder how all this will be reported in the pointless glossy news sheet I get sent by the university every so often? - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkv4CaQACgkQCZbRMCZZBfaP6wCfTZpnZiSVpf+O4cr9+prMS5on EgAAniInw7bLXauQpcVFqaE8GWZz9Gpb =4NCD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] twitter or identi
you should switch from twitter.com/furtherfield to identi.ca/furtherfield dont ask me why + --y ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] a point on the wall + a point on the net
http://www.yannleguennec.com/topologies/cercle-trouve-au-mur-2/archives/67.18.5.140.jpg ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] a point on the wall + a point on the net
are you points on the net ? http://www.yannleguennec.com/topologies/cercle-trouve-au-mur-2/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] [Fwd: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm]
Hello dear Empyreans (and NetBehaviorists), systems are open; entropy is a mistake; boundaries are in the mind (of the 'modelizer'= someone making a model); every process is part of n systems; quantum physics is a biface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biface); we build tools we need, to prove what we think; we use tools someone built (some day), to prove what we thought (some day); but ... i would still like to know what is this: a 'generative image'; http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org/en/714-catalogue (PDF p: 55) Do you mean a picture can generate something, or, an image is necessarily a mind projection ? in the future (unforeseen) ? best, yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] a point on the wall + a point on the net // print the book
http://www.yannleguennec.com/topologies/cercle-trouve-au-mur-2/pdf.php Yann Le Guennec a écrit : are you points on the net ? http://www.yannleguennec.com/topologies/cercle-trouve-au-mur-2/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Lets social bookmark!
Aileen Derieg a écrit : But didn't someone (Rob?) recently ask about non-commercial alternatives? I was very disappointed that delicious was sold to Yahoo at the time, but I still find it useful. it's for example possible for a community to use its own app based on: http://sourceforge.net/projects/semanticscuttle/ best, yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] lostwithiel restormel mist
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James Morris a écrit :
ka...@debian:~/jwm4/sc/rlw$ for FILE in `ls -1`; do echo
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/${FILE};; done
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mist, mist,
laptop mist, rugby six nations mist at bbc dot co dot uk dot mist, england
mist, eat out mist, hotel mist, bash mist, compose mist, ssh mist, scp
mist, long walk mist, ache mist, tired mist, censored mist, mist mist, lad
mist, automation mist, klug mist, audio missed, programmin,g missed,
broadband missed, missed not much mist. linux mist, ready to rip someone's
head off mist, where are the teabags mist, too much mist mist mist mist
mist mist mist mist mist mist mist mist, no not at all, mist don't bother
me does it, mist, not really mist, mist mist mist mist ain't all bad mist,
camera battery dead mist
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Re: [NetBehaviour] lostwithiel restormel mist
there's an ocean behind h-line
http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/02/archive/71.243.172.252.jpg
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Yann Le Guennec a écrit :
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http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/01/
http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/02/
http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/03/
http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/04/
http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/h-lines/05/
James Morris a écrit :
ka...@debian:~/jwm4/sc/rlw$ for FILE in `ls -1`; do echo
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/${FILE};; done
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080676.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080683.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080688.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080694.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080704.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080705.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080711.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080716.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080731.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080734.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080746.jpg
http://jwm-art.net/art/image/restormel_lostwithiel_P1080749.jpg
ka...@debian:~/jwm4/sc/rlw$
hills, mist, castle, mist, walk, mist, mist, mist, castle mist, moss,
mist, mist,
laptop mist, rugby six nations mist at bbc dot co dot uk dot mist, england
mist, eat out mist, hotel mist, bash mist, compose mist, ssh mist, scp
mist, long walk mist, ache mist, tired mist, censored mist, mist mist, lad
mist, automation mist, klug mist, audio missed, programmin,g missed,
broadband missed, missed not much mist. linux mist, ready to rip someone's
head off mist, where are the teabags mist, too much mist mist mist mist
mist mist mist mist mist mist mist mist, no not at all, mist don't bother
me does it, mist, not really mist, mist mist mist mist ain't all bad mist,
camera battery dead mist
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[NetBehaviour] About Networked Painting
(well, i try another reply strategy in order to allow this post to go through the list, let's test...) In reply to Curt Cloninger : http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/20100316/014853.html Yes, that's for me a very important point to address. In several works (1) i use the IP address of the spectator to compose the picture, so the picture is unique according to this spectator. The picture takes place only where the spectator is looking at it. From this point of view (reception, uniqueness of the picture), it seems that it has more to do with painting than with photography or algorithmic generative art. This is conceptually ok if i don't save generated pictures and show them to others. It's a another possibility, but it changes the relation between the spectator and the picture, and as a consequence, the nature of the picture. 'Networked painting' is a way to explore this relational/interaction space between users/spectators and pictures. (1) examples: http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/laval-bridge/ http://www.yannleguennec.com/works/found-shape-on-the-ground/square/01/ best, yann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] About Networked Painting
Hi Curt, I think you're absolutely right, and i will use the terms networked picture. i don't really need to use the word painting, i finally think it's more interesting to keep eventual references to painting more in the background. So here is my new short statement: My work is about distances and convergences between the analog and the digital, between the virtual and the actual, between abstraction and instantiation processes. I make networked pictures. They are composed and produced online by networked devices. All devices are built on almost the same model: visual sensors (eg: photography, stills from video) are taking pictures in an environment, these pictures are then transformed by online softwares and finally they are shown to the spectator. Variations in this main model allow each device to address more specific problematics in the field of networked pictures. Thanks everyone for this fruitful thread. best, yann Curt Cloninger a écrit : Hi Yann, My question still stands regarding what is gained and what is lost by using the term painting to describe this work. [As Alan points out, the terms gain and loss are problematic/subjective (as all terms are), but that doesn't mean they are pragmatically useless or critically irrelevant, particularly when posed to you as a practicing artist.] In your description of the work below, you use the word picture rather than painting. I think you are right to use the word picture rather than painting -- these pictures seem better understood as digital photographs (modified algorithmically according to network input). So what is gained and what is lost by calling them networked paintings as opposed to something like networked photographs? +++ Just by way of comparison, here is a great project of what might be termed generative drawing: http://noemata.net/time().mt_rand/gallery.php artist statement here: http://noemata.net/time().mt_rand/gallery.php?i=text create your own drawings here: http://noemata.net/time().mt_rand/larding.php curate and sell your own drawings (and the drawings of others) here: http://noemata.net/time().mt_rand/curator.php Regarding the above work, technically... There is an amount of source material created by the artist (a database of scanned analog doodles). There is a generative environment with parameters established by the artist. The user is allowed to input certain variables into that environment. The result is a collaborative piece of work which is purposefully situated within an online economy. The project above is fruitfully approached from a critical perspective as drawing, but the artist also draws attention (by the term larding) to Oulipo poetry and (by the title time().mt_rand), to computer time-stamping procedures. To me, the para-art language that the artist uses to contextualize this piece of work foregrounds salient, relevant aspects of the work, both in terms of the art history of drawing and the contemporary new media theory of computational, networked, interactive art (not to mention issues of curation, web 2.0 rebloggability as a form of curation, salability of the art object, online economies, originality of the artist, uniqueness of the art object). In other words, the language that the artist uses to talk about the work is very much aware of what the work itself is doing in the world (on+off-line). More is gained than is lost by this kind of para-art language. +++ My critique is not of your work. Your project itself interestingly foregrounds the unique/original reception of a single piece of work, by encoding elements of that unique reception into the singular piece of work itself. It is very much related to Benjamin's observations regarding the difference between viewing a unique/original auratic object (be it a panting or a stationary sculpture) and viewing a mechanically reproduced object (be it a print, an analog photograph, a movie, a video, a digital photograph). My hesitance is with your use of the word painting in the language of your artist statment. Given the work you are describing, that word painting seems too underdetermined and vague. It stakes too broad a claim. It opens up all sorts of tangential cans of worms (flatness, brushstroke, materials, abstraction vs. figuration, subjectivity of the artists eye vs. objectivity of the camera lens, etc.) that the work itself is not (yet) opening up. Undoubtedly painting is useful in other contexts to desecribe other pieces of new media work (some of Mark Napier's work comes to mind as very painterly in terms of his treatment of code and in terms of the texture of his resultant visuals). But painting as applied to this work seems to lose more than it gains. Best, Curt (well, i try another reply strategy in order to allow this post to go through the list, let's test...)
[NetBehaviour] A statement
My work is about the evolution of painting in a networked environment, both physical and digital, present and distant, in time and space. I make what i call variable paintings. They address classical themes such as Landscape or Still life. These paintings are not paintings in the sense of concrete objects, but digital pictures produced online by networked devices. This approach does not exclude the possibility of making physical objects from digital pictures, but the composition of these pictures is made online and should primarily be seen online, for example projected in an exhibition space connected to the internet. All devices are built on almost the same model. Visual sensors (eg: photography, stills from video) are taking pictures in an environment, these pictures are transformed by online softwares and then shown to the spectator. Variations in this main model allow each device to address more specific problematics in the field of networked painting. http://www.yannleguennec.com/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement
So according to what you've been told, the good one (terminology) would be a digital one, using terminology specific to technology (coding, networks,...) ? What i see in the way you use words , and in your work, is a convergence between painting and cinema (as references to themselves), and this convergence occurs in digital networks. Maybe that's what we are talking/writing about: the space and time where we live. There's something occuring at a greater scale, outside and in the artworld, it's the need for a flat screen on the wall to put some pictures. That's also what painting is about, not the screen, but the need for it. According to our vision of history, it was already there in Lascaux (for example) http://cyberechos.creteil.iufm.fr/cyber1/histoire/lascaux/Lascaux.jpg Jim Andrews a écrit : Concerning dbCinema, I've been told that my use of the terms 'brush' and 'nib' and 'canvas' are inappropriate. Because they situate the piece in a painterly scenario that isn't the right one. But, given what dbCinema does, that language is actually the most useful language, it seems to me. It provides people with the most easily understandable and relevant terminology to start to understand what dbCinema does and how it works. ja http://vispo.com/dbcinema - Original Message - From: Yann Le Guennec i...@x-arn.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement Hello, Thanks for your feedback, maybe you're right. I'm thinking about 'painting' not from a technical point of view, involving some defined kinds of support and materials, but from a more conceptual one, as an historical and pictural practice in art. From this point of view, there is no reason to not talk about 'networked painting' like we can talk about 'oil painting', the technology is different, but i think we act in the same artistic field. Furthermore, maybe the digital revolution is the moment in time and space where 'painting' as an art practice will be more profoundly re-defined. In fact, i'm more interested in confronting and opening concepts and words than strictly refer to them in a predefined and closed signification. So, it's an open discussion and set of thoughts. ‘the computer is no more than a tool that helps painting to shake off the deadweight of an ossified classical heritage. Its immense combinatorial capacity facilitates the systematic investigation of an infinite range of possibilities.’4 4 Jean-Michel Place, ‘Vera Molnar, Regard sur mes images’, in Revue d’esthétique, n° 7, Paris, 1984. http://collection.fraclorraine.org/parcour/showtext/1?lang=enwid=422 martin mitchell a écrit : Hello. Please separate the idea of painting from the creation of digital images it's a contradiction and makes it difficult for people to understand what digital artists are creating... Martin Mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio. http://www.crispynails.co.uk/ On 15 Mar 2010, at 15:41, Yann Le Guennec wrote: My work is about the evolution of painting in a networked environment, both physical and digital, present and distant, in time and space. I make what i call variable paintings. They address classical themes such as Landscape or Still life. These paintings are not paintings in the sense of concrete objects, but digital pictures produced online by networked devices. This approach does not exclude the possibility of making physical objects from digital pictures, but the composition of these pictures is made online and should primarily be seen online, for example projected in an exhibition space connected to the internet. All devices are built on almost the same model. Visual sensors (eg: photography, stills from video) are taking pictures in an environment, these pictures are transformed by online softwares and then shown to the spectator. Variations in this main model allow each device to address more specific problematics in the field of networked painting. http://www.yannleguennec.com/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement
Can we consider that painting, according to notion of surface and medium, could be light on a wall (for example), i guess that the good response is 'no'. So, there are no troubles, there are enough machines today to put acrilyc on canvas from a digital picture. So where is the point... why is there such a difference between digital picture as an art, photography as an art or painting as an art...in the making process ? (see Richter's Overpainted photographs, and i only mention here still pictures). I must say i don't know, but i think that our relation to pictures and images, is evolving with digital networks and that all of these art forms and standards may be reviewed to better understand the world we live in, where it comes from, and where it can go. (i should re-start/stop(?) reading this book: Iconology: Image, Text, Ideology by W. J. Thomas Mitchell ) martin mitchell a écrit : Hi... Lets establish what the word painting traditionally means copied from Wikepedia:- Painting is the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium[1] to a surface (support base). In art, the term describes both the act and the result, which is called a painting. Paintings may have for their support such surfaces as walls, paper, canvas, wood, glass, lacquer, clay or concrete. Paintings may be decorated with gold leaf, and some modern paintings incorporate other materials including sand, clay, and scraps of paper. Painting is a mode of expression and the forms are numerous. Drawing, composition or abstraction and other aesthetics may serve to manifest the expressive and conceptual intention of the practitioner. Paintings can be naturalistic and representational (as in a still life or landscape painting), photographic, abstract, be loaded with narrative content, symbolism, emotion or be political in nature. --- OK One might establish a difference between use of a brush or pen to the word 'painting' that could contain human action of physical use of paint this is different from use of term digital painting which perhaps does not exist physically, it being a digital image which might be created with use of digital brush or pen. M. On 15 Mar 2010, at 17:11, Jim Andrews wrote: Concerning dbCinema, I've been told that my use of the terms 'brush' and 'nib' and 'canvas' are inappropriate. Because they situate the piece in a painterly scenario that isn't the right one. But, given what dbCinema does, that language is actually the most useful language, it seems to me. It provides people with the most easily understandable and relevant terminology to start to understand what dbCinema does and how it works. ja http://vispo.com/dbcinema - Original Message - From: Yann Le Guennec i...@x-arn.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement Hello, Thanks for your feedback, maybe you're right. I'm thinking about 'painting' not from a technical point of view, involving some defined kinds of support and materials, but from a more conceptual one, as an historical and pictural practice in art. From this point of view, there is no reason to not talk about 'networked painting' like we can talk about 'oil painting', the technology is different, but i think we act in the same artistic field. Furthermore, maybe the digital revolution is the moment in time and space where 'painting' as an art practice will be more profoundly re-defined. In fact, i'm more interested in confronting and opening concepts and words than strictly refer to them in a predefined and closed signification. So, it's an open discussion and set of thoughts. ‘the computer is no more than a tool that helps painting to shake off the deadweight of an ossified classical heritage. Its immense combinatorial capacity facilitates the systematic investigation of an infinite range of possibilities.’4 4 Jean-Michel Place, ‘Vera Molnar, Regard sur mes images’, in Revue d’esthétique, n° 7, Paris, 1984. http://collection.fraclorraine.org/parcour/showtext/1?lang=enwid=422 martin mitchell a écrit : Hello. Please separate the idea of painting from the creation of digital images it's a contradiction and makes it difficult for people to understand what digital artists are creating... Martin Mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio. http://www.crispynails.co.uk/ On 15 Mar 2010, at 15:41, Yann Le Guennec wrote: My work is about the evolution of painting in a networked environment, both physical and digital, present and distant, in time and space. I make what i call variable paintings. They address classical themes such as Landscape or Still life. These paintings are not paintings in the sense of concrete objects, but digital pictures produced online by networked devices
Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement
I completely agree with your contribution. We are playing with semantic fields referring to some classical art practices, and doing so, we are trying to see and understand what can be art today, how can it be reshaped by networked practices. I hope, and think, it's still an open field. We are jumping around the lazy brown (refers to XX century explosion of arts forms ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_quick_brown_fox_jumps_over_the_lazy_dog Corrado Morgana a écrit : All convenient metaphors. Software appropriates useful terms, from Photoshop to Flash to Maya we have Canvas, Stage, sculpt , extrude etc.. etc... We draw and paint because that is the suitable metaphor based on an interface that communicates it's technicity in the most lean and efficient manner If we discuss something coming from a discourse of image making then it's practically impossible to avoid such language. Unless we enter the realm of computational image making where process is important and we can talk about algorithmic, computational and network issues. Platform studies (http://platformstudies.com/ ) for an extreme example anyone? To fully enable a digital discourse we should be using terms like rasterise, vectorise, state change and compute. There are practictioners and commentators who do. I have no problem with either discourse and have dabbled in both software and painterly linguistic camps. Digital art is also a contentious term. Artists who use digital technologies, claiming to be digital artists without any reference or acknowledgement however small, be it critical or explicit, that their work actually engages with digital discourse who merely adopt software as a transparent tool is an issue. Remembering the amount of applications from traditional video artists to a significant Media Arts festival a few years ago; of course they could be part of it, they were all digital artists because they use Final Cut Pro. I'm not saying anyone on this list fits these categories but we are in a pluralistic and dialogic arena. Terms are interchangeable and useful when necessary. Best C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Yann Le Guennec Sent: 15 March 2010 5:51 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement So according to what you've been told, the good one (terminology) would be a digital one, using terminology specific to technology (coding, networks,...) ? What i see in the way you use words , and in your work, is a convergence between painting and cinema (as references to themselves), and this convergence occurs in digital networks. Maybe that's what we are talking/writing about: the space and time where we live. There's something occuring at a greater scale, outside and in the artworld, it's the need for a flat screen on the wall to put some pictures. That's also what painting is about, not the screen, but the need for it. According to our vision of history, it was already there in Lascaux (for example) http://cyberechos.creteil.iufm.fr/cyber1/histoire/lascaux/Lascaux.jpg Jim Andrews a écrit : Concerning dbCinema, I've been told that my use of the terms 'brush' and 'nib' and 'canvas' are inappropriate. Because they situate the piece in a painterly scenario that isn't the right one. But, given what dbCinema does, that language is actually the most useful language, it seems to me. It provides people with the most easily understandable and relevant terminology to start to understand what dbCinema does and how it works. ja http://vispo.com/dbcinema - Original Message - From: Yann Le Guennec i...@x-arn.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] A statement Hello, Thanks for your feedback, maybe you're right. I'm thinking about 'painting' not from a technical point of view, involving some defined kinds of support and materials, but from a more conceptual one, as an historical and pictural practice in art. From this point of view, there is no reason to not talk about 'networked painting' like we can talk about 'oil painting', the technology is different, but i think we act in the same artistic field. Furthermore, maybe the digital revolution is the moment in time and space where 'painting' as an art practice will be more profoundly re-defined. In fact, i'm more interested in confronting and opening concepts and words than strictly refer to them in a predefined and closed signification. So, it's an open discussion and set of thoughts. ‘the computer is no more than a tool that helps painting to shake off the deadweight of an ossified classical heritage. Its immense combinatorial capacity facilitates the systematic investigation of an infinite
[NetBehaviour] Paradigmatic Landscapes - update
What we call a 'syntagm' is a sequence of 6 small pictures relating to a basic set of pictures. The syntagm is modified through interactions between spectators and what we call the 'paradigm'. Each time a spectator (or any entity connected to the work) access the paradigm through the syntagm, the syntagm is modified. Thus it is possible for the spectator as individual to be conscious about his action on the syntagm, but these possible observations can be messed up by the collective process. Many spectators can act quite simultaneously on the paradigm and doing so modify syntagm in a way that blurs the observation of the individual process. Changelog: * 17 Aug 2009: v1, implementation of the paradigmatic axis (algorithm of picture generation). * 17 Aug 2009: v2, feedback from the paradigm to the syntagm, defined as a sequence. * 19 Aug 2009: v2.1, syntagms separation, file structure update. http://www.datapainting.com/paradigmatic-landscapes/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] picture without qualities
i searched in google for the exact phrase picture without qualities. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=%22picture+without+qualities%22 the only response i get is : Reader Archive--Extract: 2002/020802/RICHTER https://securesite.chireader.com/cgi-bin/Archive/abridged2.bat?path=2002/020802/RICHTERsearch=gerhard%20richter%20camper%20art%20institute did i make a typo/error or is it something so unexplored ? -- http://www.datapainting.com/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] picture without qualities
hi Andreas, Well try looking for axiologic depraved icons maybe you will find more :) nope, nothing... ;-) Anyways I do not think the subject Is underexplored rather try to search more explicit phrases like axiology( to evaluate the qualities of esthetics and the attachtments thereof in artistic expressions like for instance paintings.) thanks! i'll try that, maybe in french as it begins to be a bit complex for me in english I myself am very involved in this subject and always desperately avoiding 'meaning' in and towards my art production. yep, i observe that meaning has an ability to dissolve itself in the search for paradigms. + yann Andreas Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl w: http://www.nictoglobe.com Skype: ajaco56 On Aug 19, 2009, at 17:34, yann le guennec i...@x-arn.org wrote: i searched in google for the exact phrase picture without qualities. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=%22picture+without+qualities%22 the only response i get is : Reader Archive--Extract: 2002/020802/RICHTER https://securesite.chireader.com/cgi-bin/Archive/abridged2.bat?path=2002/020802/RICHTERsearch=gerhard%20richter%20camper%20art%20institute did i make a typo/error or is it something so unexplored ? -- http://www.datapainting.com/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Times, Things, Spaces // Triptych of Synthetic Reality ...
yann le guennec a probablement écrit : questions and feedbacks are welcome, i don't know why, but since more than 10 years, every time i type this in an email, i'm quite sure i won't get any ! :-) -- Yann Le Guennec http://www.yannleguennec.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Times, Things, Spaces // Triptych of Synthetic Reality #01 // Yann Le Guennec // 2009
Hello, I'm currently testing a whole new approach to my works, based on picture/image as a result of my global practice involving software, installation, photography. The website aims to function as a gateway able to generate localized exhibitions. First implementation of this approach is called 'Times, Things, Spaces // Triptych of Synthetic Reality #01 // Yann Le Guennec // 2009' and can be found directly at my home page: http://www.yannleguennec.com questions and feedbacks are welcome, cheers, -- Yann Le Guennec http://www.yannleguennec.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
Well, i think it will be a bit difficult for me to explain my point of view in english... but let's try... At a certain level, this question is about paradigms. Scientific research is based on some rules, including the ability to reproduce previous obtained and published results. So it is for experimental and physical science research, but also for mathematic, biology, et.. a researcher should be able to reproduce a demonstration, according to the fact that mathematic concepts can not suffer any semantic ambiguity. insuch a context, it's quite usefull to cite authors of previous experiments as contextual informations, kinf od metadata allowing to link works and reseach in a corpus. So it is in 'soft sciences', or 'humans sciences' like psychology, sociology, etc... concepts, results and experiments have to be referenced (authors, years) in order to disambiguate them and compose the corpus of the domain. All this scientific domains, more or less formal, ...are domains, with some kinds of borders, dominant theories, specific concepts, etc...they are articulated on reseach paradigms at the epistemic level. From my point of view, art (and in a way also design) is 'epistemic in itself', it means art generates as many paradigms that are necessary to the diversity of forms and expressions. Art is not a domain because it does not need to self-reference itself, and does not need to be logicaly articulated in a corpus. It can be the case for some kind of practices, in some artistics subcategories, but it's not a formal rule for its existence. So there is a big gap at this level between art + design and science + research. I'm also interested in this question, and i saw some people in France (mostly in art and design school) are trying sometimes to define a field for artistic research or design research, that does not yet exist. But if it exist one day, i don't think that it can be initiated only on the basis of imported paradigms. I better imagine that art practicies are able to propose other paradigms for research and thinking. (well, i hope this is understandable in some ways...) regards yann Simon Biggs a probablement écrit : Yes, I am being ironic (to a degree). In formal research you cannot cite sources from unrecognised authors. Authors have to be identifiable and their work generally peer reviewed. Sources such as the Encyclopedia Brittanica and Wikipedia are not allowed to be used. It does not mean that these sources are poor – just that the information they provide has not been verfied. This restriction can be annoying but is understandable. I often use Wikipedia for initial background data-mining, but when it comes to using references I go to the original texts (which might be mentioned in Wikipedia) and check them prior to citing them. When reading somebody’s research you want to know their sources are reliable. If you can’t trust their sources you can’t trust the research. It could be anything. Same with journalism. If I am reading a piece of investigative journalism and discover the evidence was unverified I would lose trust in the author (unless they have presented the text as an opinion piece). The reason this thread arrived at this theme was the posting about research opportunities into the creative applications of social technologies at eca. The team undertaking that work is made up of artists, architects, social scientists and informaticians. The methods they will employ will include those familiar to artists and other creative practitioners, but undertaken alongside and contextualised by methods from the social and physical sciences. These methods require that researchers ensure rigorous proof of their evidence and the criteria for their anaylsis. That is no big deal. It just means the work has to be done openly, transparently, everything recorded and all original material retained for peer assessment. This is not foolproof (there are plenty of examples of poor science around) but nobody has proposed a better system yet. It is unusual for artistic work to be undertaken in this context but not novel. Other’s have done it. It often leads to surprising outcomes, especially for the scientists. As for Bruce Sterling, I find his (non-fiction) writing techno-determinist, utopian and evangelical in nature. What I have seen of his work appears to be oriented towards opinion pieces rather than research. However, I have to admit I’ve not read him much so I could be wrong. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *yann le guennec i...@x-arn.org *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:48:24 +0200 *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research Opportunities on EPSRC funded Project]
Hi all, This is a great project. Spimes are not intrinsically designed for surveillance , and as Simon noticed 'The information in information technology always travels both ways'. I also work on some 'imaginary spimes' and i think that this term coined by Bruce Sterling is a powerfull operative concept, for art and design. There is also a Spime design workshop in Second Life monday, june 29 at 21H CET, you cand take part by registering here (it's free): http://bit.ly/sdw-application -- Yann Le Guennec http://www.yannleguennec.com Ruth Catlow a probablement écrit : Forwarded Message *From*: Chris Speed c.sp...@eca.ac.uk mailto:c.sp...@eca.ac.uk Dear all and everyone, A series of research opportunities are available to support a large EPSRC project exploring social memory in the emerging culture of the Internet of Things. Research Associate, UCL. Fulltime. Duration: 3 years. Start: Sept 09 Research Associate, UCL. Fulltime. Duration: 2 years. Start: Sept 09 Project Administrator, ECA. Fulltime. Duration: 3 years. Start: Aug 09 Studentship, Fulltime. Dundee. Duration: 3 years. Start: Sept 09 Studentship, Fulltime. ECA. Duration: 3 years. Start: Sept 09 *Please visit: * http://www.youtotem.org And then click on links to find application details Various deadlines are in place. *TOTeM* “Spimes are manufactured objects whose informational support is so overwhelmingly extensive and rich that they are regarded as material instantiations of an immaterial system. Spimes begin and end as data. They’re virtual objects first and actual objects second.” Bruce Sterling, Shaping Things, (2005) The TOTeM project is located within the emerging technical and cultural phenomenon known as ‘The Internet of Things’. The term is attributed to the Auto-ID research group at MIT in 1999, and was explored in depth by the International Telecommunication Union who published a report bearing the same name at the United Nations net summit in 2005. The term, ‘Internet of things’, refers to the technical and cultural shift that is anticipated as society moves towards a ubiquitous form of computing in which every device is ‘on’, and every device is connected in some way to the Internet. The specific reference to ‘things’ refers to the concept that every new object manufactured will also be able to part of this extended Internet, because they will have been tagged and indexed by the manufacturer during production. It is also envisaged that consumers will have the ability to ‘read’ the tags through the use of mobile ‘readers’ and use the information connected to the object, to inform their purchase, use and disposal of an object. The implications for the Internet of Things upon production and consumption are tremendous, and will transform the way in which people shop, store and share products. The analogue bar code that has for so long been a dumb encrypted reference to a shop’s inventory system, will be superseded by an open platform in which every object manufactured will be able to be tracked from cradle to grave, through manufacturer to distributor, to potentially every single person who comes into contact with it following its purchase. Further still, every object that comes close to another object, and is within range of a reader, could also be logged on a database and used to find correlations between owners and applications. In a world that has relied upon a linear chain of supply and demand between manufacturer and consumer via high street shop, the Internet of Things has the potential to transform how we will treat objects, care about their origin and use them to find other objects. If every new object is within reach of a reader, everything is searchable and findable, subsequently the shopping experience may never be the same, and the concept of throwing away objects may become a thing of the past as other people find new uses for old things. *The project team are:* •Maria Burke, Salford •Andrew Hudson-Smith, UCL •Angelina Karpovich, Brunel •Simone O’Callaghan, Dundee •Morna Simpson, Dundee •Chris Speed, (PI) Edinburgh College of Art ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
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