Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On 19/06/2019 21:59, Chris Humphries wrote: > I'm shopping for a new laptop and would like to have a laptop with > very good NetBSD support (ethernet and wireless networking works, > graphics works using the graphics card in a non-generic way, > suspend/resume works, trackpad). Does "new" mean "new" or "another"? I don't have a recommendation now but I might in the future. Nevertheless I'd like to share my experience so far, which might give you a clue for another thing to watch out for. > https://wiki.netbsd.org/laptops/ exists - but like many wiki pages, > how current it is is questionable and may be rotten. Also, most of the > laptops are very old. Thanks for the link anyway. I didn't know about it and it is interesting to me. > What is your laptop recommendation for running NetBSD bare-metal? I have a small stockpile of Lenovo ThinkPads. I have decided to use an X230 exclusively for NetBSD, that is, to install the OS on the bare metal. I haven't had much luck yet because I _think_ the NetBSD installer is getting confused and thinks it is being booted by a UEFI boot loader instead of the "legacy" BIOS, which is what I have the machine set to in its configurable boot firmware. Also, I _think_ the BIOS/UEFI dual boot loader is not implemented well. Apparently this was common around the time when UEFI started to be shipped in more and more machines. For example, I have a very similar problem when trying to install Debian onto an HP t620 Plus and I still haven't figured it out. If I am successful with this X230, and I don't have to use the semi-manual or manual installation method for "UEFI" computers, I will write up my experiences and post a report. I will also add it to the wiki. Hopefully we can start using it more regularly. Andrew -- OpenPGP key: EB28 0338 28B7 19DA DAB0 B193 D21D 996E 883B E5B9 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Ended up simply ordering a Thinkpad T420 off eBay for $200. Better specs than I currently have and well supported. Thanks for all that gave me recommendations via this email, IRC, and Twitter. On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 08:59:09PM +, Chris Humphries wrote: > Hello Hivemind, > > I'm shopping for a new laptop and would like to have a laptop with > very good NetBSD support (ethernet and wireless networking works, > graphics works using the graphics card in a non-generic way, > suspend/resume works, trackpad). > > https://wiki.netbsd.org/laptops/ exists - but like many wiki pages, > how current it is is questionable and may be rotten. Also, most of the > laptops are very old. > > > What is your laptop recommendation for running NetBSD bare-metal? > > Thank you, > Chris > > -- > Chris Humphries > 5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29 -- Chris Humphries 5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Good choice, Chris! Is it possible to collect the suggestions that others gave you and send them around, either privately, or publicly to the list? I am looking for a Thinkpad too (anything that starts with X or T and ends in #00, #20, or #30) but it doesn't _have_ to be a TP. So far my attempts with my X230 been a bit frustrating. Andrew On 21 June 2019 16:09:50 BST, Chris Humphries wrote: >Ended up simply ordering a Thinkpad T420 off eBay for $200. Better >specs than I currently have and well supported. > >Thanks for all that gave me recommendations via this email, IRC, and >Twitter. > > > > >On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 08:59:09PM +, Chris Humphries wrote: >> Hello Hivemind, >> >> I'm shopping for a new laptop and would like to have a laptop with >> very good NetBSD support (ethernet and wireless networking works, >> graphics works using the graphics card in a non-generic way, >> suspend/resume works, trackpad). >> >> https://wiki.netbsd.org/laptops/ exists - but like many wiki pages, >> how current it is is questionable and may be rotten. Also, most of >the >> laptops are very old. >> >> >> What is your laptop recommendation for running NetBSD bare-metal? >> >> Thank you, >> Chris >> >> -- >> Chris Humphries >> 5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29 > >-- >Chris Humphries >5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Suggestions weren't mind-blowing or anything, but the usual suspects: Thinkpads and people saying some random laptop mostly works for them. Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they do they're silent about it. I personally suspect most people run NetBSD as on servers, virtualization (virtualbox or qemu), or toys like old machines/ports and arm boards. I'd guess a very small percentage of NetBSD users use it as a daily driver. On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 12:52 PM U'll Be King Of The Stars wrote: > > Good choice, Chris! > > Is it possible to collect the suggestions that others gave you and send them > around, either privately, or publicly to the list? I am looking for a > Thinkpad too (anything that starts with X or T and ends in #00, #20, or #30) > but it doesn't _have_ to be a TP. > > So far my attempts with my X230 been a bit frustrating. > > Andrew > > On 21 June 2019 16:09:50 BST, Chris Humphries wrote: >> >> Ended up simply ordering a Thinkpad T420 off eBay for $200. Better >> specs than I currently have and well supported. >> >> Thanks for all that gave me recommendations via this email, IRC, and >> Twitter. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 08:59:09PM +, Chris Humphries wrote: >>> >>> Hello Hivemind, >>> >>> I'm shopping for a new laptop and would like to have a laptop with >>> very good NetBSD support (ethernet and wireless networking works, >>> graphics works using the graphics card in a non-generic way, >>> suspend/resume works, trackpad). >>> >>> https://wiki.netbsd.org/laptops/ exists - but like many wiki pages, >>> how current it is is questionable and may be rotten. Also, most of the >>> laptops are very old. >>> >>> >>> What is your laptop recommendation for running NetBSD bare-metal? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Chris >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Humphries >>> 5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29 > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Chris Humphries PGP: 6338DD29 ch...@sogubsys.com
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:32:55PM -0400, Chris Humphries wrote: > Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they > do they're silent about it. > I personally suspect most people run NetBSD as on servers, > virtualization (virtualbox or qemu), or toys like old machines/ports > and arm boards. I'd guess a very small percentage of NetBSD users use > it as a daily driver. I didn't have something to recommend, as my laptops are several years old. and one more reason to not mention them is: NetBSD works on them, but not completely - mainly wifi doesn't work. A new laptop buyer seeking recommendation would want everything to work, I think. But that doesn't imply I don't use NetBSD on daily use machines. I use ethernet or USB ethernet and use them daily. I use 1 Dell, 1 asus, 1 hp laptop and 2 Raspberry Pis (total 5 non servers) and 2 VPS servers running NetBSD. All laptops are dual boot and have some reason to use Linux (e.g. need of virtualbox to run a windows application in one case, use of DRM for video content in 1 case etc.) Mayuresh
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
My "intel" laptop is a Lenovo X200 running 8.1 and works great. As far as the "daily driver" goes I still rely on my Mac because my knowledge of NetBSD and crafting a stable desktop is shaky at best... albeit getting better. I do most of my python development on a box running current. All my learning of Rust is on the same box. Almost all my SANS course "homework" is done on that machine. There are a few things that keep me from using my NetBSD box as my daily driver. One is Firefox (v65) crashes regularly. Still trying to figure out why. Video is a little "ify," but that’s most likely due to my ignorance of setting up my intel video. Mate has a core dump from time to time. Audio is still an unexplored frontier, so iTunes it is for now. Other "todo" is to learn xen (or qemu?) in order to be able to run the prebuilt VMs the SANS people build for their courses. So that makes me part of the larger percentage of the "almost daily driver" crowd. This made me wonder why others chose NetBSD as a desktop or server. I wonder if there is a place we can go to articulate why NetBSD is our poison of choice. I mean, why NetBSD over FreeBSD or OpenBSD or dragonfly or fill-in-the-blank-BSD? On 6/22/19, 6:33 PM, "Chris Humphries" wrote: Suggestions weren't mind-blowing or anything, but the usual suspects: Thinkpads and people saying some random laptop mostly works for them. Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they do they're silent about it. I personally suspect most people run NetBSD as on servers, virtualization (virtualbox or qemu), or toys like old machines/ports and arm boards. I'd guess a very small percentage of NetBSD users use it as a daily driver. On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 12:52 PM U'll Be King Of The Stars wrote: > > Good choice, Chris! > > Is it possible to collect the suggestions that others gave you and send them around, either privately, or publicly to the list? I am looking for a Thinkpad too (anything that starts with X or T and ends in #00, #20, or #30) but it doesn't _have_ to be a TP. > > So far my attempts with my X230 been a bit frustrating. > > Andrew > > On 21 June 2019 16:09:50 BST, Chris Humphries wrote: >> >> Ended up simply ordering a Thinkpad T420 off eBay for $200. Better >> specs than I currently have and well supported. >> >> Thanks for all that gave me recommendations via this email, IRC, and >> Twitter. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 08:59:09PM +, Chris Humphries wrote: >>> >>> Hello Hivemind, >>> >>> I'm shopping for a new laptop and would like to have a laptop with >>> very good NetBSD support (ethernet and wireless networking works, >>> graphics works using the graphics card in a non-generic way, >>> suspend/resume works, trackpad). >>> >>> https://wiki.netbsd.org/laptops/ exists - but like many wiki pages, >>> how current it is is questionable and may be rotten. Also, most of the >>> laptops are very old. >>> >>> >>> What is your laptop recommendation for running NetBSD bare-metal? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Chris >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Humphries >>> 5223 9548 E1DE DE87 F509 1888 8141 8451 6338 DD29 > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Chris Humphries PGP: 6338DD29 ch...@sogubsys.com
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
I don't recommend my laptops because I can name the list of things not working on them (I want to fix them at some point). I can tell you what is missing in a Dell XPS 9550 but given that I have graphical acceleration, external monitor and internal wifi, it's an OK recent laptop for netbsd'ing. https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=3729
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:32:55PM -0400, Chris Humphries wrote: > Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they > do they're silent about it. I do, and I have been silent. For me everything works on my two Acer ones I currently have, but I could not recommend any currentish (because I have not tested). If there wouldn't be the unsupported sdio wifi issue, I'd strongly recommend a pinebook ;-) Martin
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Sun 23 Jun 2019 at 11:02:10 +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: > If there wouldn't be the unsupported sdio wifi issue, I'd strongly > recommend a pinebook ;-) Hm.. well... on the pinebook, I would say that NetBSD's graphics drivers "leave a lot to be desired". Mind you, with the Linux KDE Neon I'm trying now, they "leave everything to be desired". (I have learned to hate graphics chips more and more every day) > Martin -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- "What good is a Ring of Power \X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl -- if you're unable...to Speak." - Agent Elrond signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:32:55PM -0400, Chris Humphries wrote: > > Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they > do they're silent about it. > As a lot of other people, silent because my laptop is ~5 years old so hardly helpful. Most of my NetBSD is done on a fujitsu S904 lifebook, I chose is for the combination of power and light weight. It took quite a while but my laptop is now well supported, built in wireless works, intel drm works, suspend/resume works (though I have to do the console switch dance to restore X after a sleep). I multi-boot my laptop NetBSD/Linux/Windows 10 using uefi & grub2. -- Sent from my NetBSD device. "We are were wolves", "You mean werewolves?", "No we were wolves, now we are something else entirely", "Oh"
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Same here, HP ProBook 6460b from 2013, i5 CPU, 8GB RAM, replaced the original HDD with a SSD and replaced the crappy broadcom wifi card with an Intel one. Everything working fine, further details here, https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/6-netbsd-a-little-guide-for-newcomers Very recently, I've tried qemu-haxm virt. and, it works fine also. Den mån 24 juni 2019 00:24Brett Lymn skrev: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 06:32:55PM -0400, Chris Humphries wrote: > > > > Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they > > do they're silent about it. > > > > As a lot of other people, silent because my laptop is ~5 years old so > hardly helpful. Most of my NetBSD is done on a fujitsu S904 lifebook, I > chose is for the combination of power and light weight. It took quite a > while but my laptop is now well supported, built in wireless works, > intel drm works, suspend/resume works (though I have to do the console > switch dance to restore X after a sleep). > > I multi-boot my laptop NetBSD/Linux/Windows 10 using uefi & grub2. > > -- > Sent from my NetBSD device. > > "We are were wolves", > "You mean werewolves?", > "No we were wolves, now we are something else entirely", > "Oh" >
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
from Brett Lymn: > As a lot of other people, silent because my laptop is ~5 years old so > hardly helpful. Most of my NetBSD is done on a fujitsu S904 lifebook, I > chose is for the combination of power and light weight. It took quite a > while but my laptop is now well supported, built in wireless works, > intel drm works, suspend/resume works (though I have to do the console > switch dance to restore X after a sleep). > I multi-boot my laptop NetBSD/Linux/Windows 10 using uefi & grub2. How do you set up to boot NetBSD using UEFI? I am trying to set up UEFI to boot FreeBSD, NetBSD, and future installation of Linux, even Haiku if I can cross-compile that. I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early (8.99.46 amd64). Tom
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Hi Chris, Chris Humphries wrote: Suggestions weren't mind-blowing or anything, but the usual suspects: Thinkpads and people saying some random laptop mostly works for them. Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they do they're silent about it. I personally suspect most people run NetBSD as on servers, virtualization (virtualbox or qemu), or toys like old machines/ports and arm boards. I'd guess a very small percentage of NetBSD users use it as a daily driver. this is untrue, except the part that they are "silent" about it (as many things in the BSD world). Also, recommending things for open-source is hard, do you want new ones? then it is an incognito, with used one, there is more testing involved and also the usage you intend on your laptop. Also, mind, that sometimes the same model may have minor variations, like different WiFi cards I can tell you my experience. I run NetBSD on several "vintage" x86 ThinkPad and it runs very well and those machines have such a nice keyboard and screen and chassis: excellent for development, email... T30, T43, R41. I mostly changed hard disk and added RAM - General support: excellent, stable performing - WiFi Cards: most supported, although one ThinkPad had an unsupported WiFi card, I grabbed a used one - I did not test/use BlueTooth or IRDA Both Intel and ATI cards work reasonably well, where ATI works better, Intel sometimes looses acceleration and has other issues. Only very old nVidia cards work well with the old opensource driver. I don't recommend the new opensource driver even on linux, where I tried to compare it with the official binaries: I had worse performace, glitches, monitor isses... furthermore it requires LLVM. I never tried on NetBSD and I might have been unlucky with the cards I tested on Linux. A think which is unreliable or may not work is putting your laptop to sleep. On the above laptops only the T43 actually manages to go to sleep and resume "most" of the times :) Intel is an additional issue with sleep support. Of course, these oldies are very good, but not for general Web browsing although FireFox, SeaMonkey and lately ArcticFox work on them, RAM is limited. ArcticFox is very interesting there and I invest time in it. I then also have a newer laptop (although still old) which is the HP620. It is a little known laptop, which performs really well with NetBSD and I can use it for general usage, including browsing and development. However, while it now works (I run unstable), some things are not perfect: - WiFi card "works" but has performance issues. Christos kindly hacked with me for weeks to get it working and now it is enough for casual usage (so much better than not working at all) but still has scan issues, initialization issues and it duplicates packets For your Info: this is the "problematic" but usable wireless card: [ 1.020916] ral0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0: Ralink Technologies RT3090 802.11b/g/n (rev. 0x00) [ 1.020916] ral0: interrupting at ioapic0 pin 17 [ 1.020916] ral0: 802.11 address e0:2a:82:5d:49:2c [ 1.020916] ral0: MAC/BBP RT3090 (rev 0x3213), RF RT3020 (MIMO 1T1R) [ 5.315662] ral0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps [ 5.315662] ral0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps - Intel Video is problematic, sometimes it looses acceleration and also gives issue with resume - Resume just doesn't work :( - the SD card reader used not to work sometimes, but I did not check lately, I use current kernel, so things are a bit bumpy. Another thing which I did not test is the WebCam, since I know of no software on NetBSD and generally to use it. I gave up with Skype, which is the only thing I use it with. The browser(s) might see it, but I did not check in recent times and ArcticFox doesn't support it. Riccardo PS: the situation I see is quite similar on other BSDs and Linux more in general, except - OpenBSD put really a lot of effort in ACPI support of Laptops and supprots certain WiFi cards other do not, so if you are lucky, it works very well . FreeBSD is comparable to NetBSD, however, it has nVidia binary drivers, so you can use it on more laptops - Linux too has binaries for nVidia too, like FreeBSD and generally has wide support, although sleep and WiFi cards are still a matter of luck!
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:58 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > from Brett Lymn: > >> As a lot of other people, silent because my laptop is ~5 years old so >> hardly helpful. Most of my NetBSD is done on a fujitsu S904 lifebook, I >> chose is for the combination of power and light weight. It took quite a >> while but my laptop is now well supported, built in wireless works, >> intel drm works, suspend/resume works (though I have to do the console >> switch dance to restore X after a sleep). > >> I multi-boot my laptop NetBSD/Linux/Windows 10 using uefi & grub2. > > How do you set up to boot NetBSD using UEFI? > > I am trying to set up UEFI to boot FreeBSD, NetBSD, and future installation > of Linux, even Haiku if I can cross-compile that. > > I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early (8.99.46 > amd64). > > Tom > Tom, I’m assuming you followed the guide below. It worked for me on 8.0 on amd64 and obviously worked for the person who wrote the guide. https://wiki.netbsd.org/Installation_on_UEFI_systems/ Maybe try 8.1_STABLE? HTH, Jason M. P.S. FYI, A direct email to you bounced. Sent from my iPhone
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 23:33, Chris Humphries wrote: > > Suggestions weren't mind-blowing or anything, but the usual suspects: > Thinkpads and people saying some random laptop mostly works for them. > > Mostly, it seems folks don't really run NetBSD on laptops, and if they > do they're silent about it. > I personally suspect most people run NetBSD as on servers, > virtualization (virtualbox or qemu), or toys like old machines/ports > and arm boards. I'd guess a very small percentage of NetBSD users use > it as a daily driver. I would agree that its likely NetBSD gets much more use on servers & embedded machines. I'm another NetBSD ThinkPad user - T530 which is supported quite well. My main use is IntelliJ IDEA java development. My main gripe would be Firefox crashing on trying to load some sites (eg maps.google.com) :/ David
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Hi, David Brownlee wrote: I'm another NetBSD ThinkPad user - T530 which is supported quite well. My main use is IntelliJ IDEA java development. My main gripe would be Firefox crashing on trying to load some sites (eg maps.google.com) :/ this is a little bit off-topic: does the crash happen also on a Workstation? I suppose it is a more general Firefox issue and even more broadly: browser support which coes beyond Chrome on Windows or Linux. Only Firefox is left and there too, things are less optimal beyond the "major" OS. ArcticFox loads maps.google.com but also openstreetmaps :) Riccardo
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
Another fairly regular and reasonably happy NetBSD laptop user here. HP Envy 17" 2016 vintage with Intel 530 graphics and NVidia GeForce 950M, latter detected, but unsuported. Intel DRM accelerated graphics now works very well, with only a few disappearing horizontal streaks with gdm and kdm (xdm now looks perfect). 3D acceleration, full screen video all work well, there are no problems with the Wifi (very reliable, I do all my upgrades from another system on my LAN via it, also use pkgin over it). Sound is working as expected. The installation of NetBSD is on a GPT labeled disk and uses UEFI, performed following the abovementioned link - basically, I added a second disk to the laptop, converted it under Windows 10 to GPT, then initially installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on it, added some partition as add-on for Windows, then installed RedHat 7.4, after which, having some 100GB leftover, I decided to try the UEFI NetBSD installation (I always use -current of the moment and update using sysupgrade 2-3 times a week). Initially I had to disable nouveau, as it caused a panic during boot; later this problem was solved. At some stage I installed rEFInd to get the nice OS graphics choice screens; with the EFI version of the time it was possible to choose a default .efi file to boot from; later I upgraded the laptoip to the latest version of the EFI (F.51), this default option was lost, so now I have to choose which efi file to boot after hitting F9, which is a bit of a pain, as I have to traverse through the EFI hierarchy (there are four EFI partitions altogether... ). Overall, as long as it is not the latest and greatest, there is a reasonably good chance to get NetBSD running on a wide range of devices, as we know well. I've had several attempts to get FreeBSD (of different versions and distributions) and OpenBSD on this laptop, but there were always problems (I had Trident on an external USB3 disk for a while, an upgrade rendered it unusable; OpenBSD didn't like the hardware as well). I use at present Firefox 67.04, although midori and epiphany are also available and working reasonably well. There is also an older HP Elite laptop with broken glass and non functioning FireGL graphics, setup as a development server for NetBSD-current, which also works well; this is also used for virtualisation via qemu-nvmm and vnc display. Chavdar On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 11:49, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > Hi, > > David Brownlee wrote: > > I'm another NetBSD ThinkPad user - T530 which is supported quite well. > > My main use is IntelliJ IDEA java development. > > My main gripe would be Firefox crashing on trying to load some sites > > (eg maps.google.com) :/ > > this is a little bit off-topic: does the crash happen also on a > Workstation? I suppose it is a more general Firefox issue and even more > broadly: browser support which coes beyond Chrome on Windows or Linux. > Only Firefox is left and there too, things are less optimal beyond the > "major" OS. > > ArcticFox loads maps.google.com but also openstreetmaps :) > > Riccardo --
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 05:58:09AM +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>
> > I multi-boot my laptop NetBSD/Linux/Windows 10 using uefi & grub2.
>
> How do you set up to boot NetBSD using UEFI?
>
I am using grub2 to manage the boot. The way the system installer works
on the laptop I had to install windows first because the installer would
error if the partitioning was not exactly what it wanted, then shrink
the windows partition, installed fedora which brought along grunb 2 then
finally installed netbsd. This is the stanza from the grub.cfg I use
for NetBSD:
menuentry "NetBSD" {
insmod part_gpt
set root=(hd0,gpt8)
knetbsd /netbsd
}
I guess you can see from this I am also using GPT and I use wedges for
the NetBSD partitioning.
>
> I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early (8.99.46
> amd64).
>
Odd - I am on 8.99.26 at the moment but my configuration has been
booting fine since around April 2014 when I bought the laptop.
--
Brett Lymn
--
Sent from my NetBSD device.
"We are were wolves",
"You mean werewolves?",
"No we were wolves, now we are something else entirely",
"Oh"
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 07:47:12AM +0930, Brett Lymn wrote: > -- > Sent from my NetBSD device. OT. Like that signature. Have been thinking of making this one myself. Always wondered why people have a signature that says sent from my xphone or ypad etc. Some claimed it was to indicate use of a hand held device to seek excuse for spelling mistakes and brevity of message. But in that case why not `sent from a handheled device?'. Obviously that is an advt by the device maker and users don't care to remove it. Mayuresh
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
> I am using grub2 to manage the boot. The way the system installer works
> on the laptop I had to install windows first because the installer would
> error if the partitioning was not exactly what it wanted, then shrink
> the windows partition, installed fedora which brought along grunb 2 then
> finally installed netbsd. This is the stanza from the grub.cfg I use
> for NetBSD:
menuentry "NetBSD" {
insmod part_gpt
set root=(hd0,gpt8)
knetbsd /netbsd
}
> I guess you can see from this I am also using GPT and I use wedges for
> the NetBSD partitioning.
> > I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early (8.99.46
> > amd64).
> Odd - I am on 8.99.26 at the moment but my configuration has been
> booting fine since around April 2014 when I bought the laptop.
> Brett Lymn
> Sent from my NetBSD device.
This menuentry "NetBSD" part looks like something that would work in BIOS mode.
Do you also use it for UEFI?
I don't use the line "insmod part_gpt", and Super Grub2 Disk recognizes set
root=(hd1,gpt18) anyway. I use the command line rather than menuentry.
There is sysutils/grub2 in pkgsrc, though I can't be sure that it would build
and work.
New FreeBSD versions (12.0-STABLE and current) include efibootmgr and other efi
tools. Maybe import to NetBSD or to pkgsrc?
I still haven't actually tried to use efibootmgr to write UEFI boot variables.
It looks simple enough, but who knows, it could crash, especially from an
unstable version of FreeBSD.
Tom
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
from Jason Mitchell: > > How do you set up to boot NetBSD using UEFI? > > I am trying to set up UEFI to boot FreeBSD, NetBSD, and future installation > > of Linux, even Haiku if I can cross-compile that. > > I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early (8.99.46 > > amd64). > Tom > Tom, > Iâm assuming you followed the guide below. It worked for me on 8.0 on amd64 > and obviously worked for the person who wrote the guide. > https://wiki.netbsd.org/Installation_on_UEFI_systems/ > Maybe try 8.1_STABLE? > HTH, > Jason M. > P.S. FYI, A direct email to you bounced. I followed the method from that guide but was not using sysinst. I see, in /usr/mdec, bootx64.efi and bootia32.efi for NetBSD amd64, and bootia32.efi but no bootx64.efi for NetBSD i386. Those two bootia32.efi files are not identical even on NetBSD amd64 and i386 built from the same source tree. I even see the two dosboot.com files differ in size. I couldn't get the boot prompt to recognize dev wedge:WD2G18 ; I am using GPT. Or would I need BTINFO_ROOTDEVICE wedge:WD2G18 ? I don't know where I would put a boot.cfg file on the EFI system partition. I received your message through the netbsd-users list but not direct from you, don't know how your iPhone mail is set up. Tom
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
I boot - from the laptop F9 - select efi file to boot - bootx64.efi. boot.cfg is on the root filesystem, as usual. The two Linux installations on the same disk have some grub, but I don't use it to boot anything besides them. It all just came to pass without any problems for me on this laptop, as far as the EFI and NetBSD setup is concerned; I also generally followed the same guide. On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 06:39, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > from Jason Mitchell: > > > > How do you set up to boot NetBSD using UEFI? > > > > I am trying to set up UEFI to boot FreeBSD, NetBSD, and future > > > installation of Linux, even Haiku if I can cross-compile that. > > > > I succeeded booting FreeBSD by UEFI, but NetBSD attempt hung early > > > (8.99.46 amd64). > > > Tom > > > Tom, > > > I’m assuming you followed the guide below. It worked for me on 8.0 on amd64 > > and obviously worked for the person who wrote the guide. > > > https://wiki.netbsd.org/Installation_on_UEFI_systems/ > > > Maybe try 8.1_STABLE? > > > HTH, > > > Jason M. > > > P.S. FYI, A direct email to you bounced. > > I followed the method from that guide but was not using sysinst. > > I see, in /usr/mdec, bootx64.efi and bootia32.efi for NetBSD amd64, and > bootia32.efi but no bootx64.efi for NetBSD i386. Those two bootia32.efi > files are not identical even on NetBSD amd64 and i386 built from the same > source tree. I even see the two dosboot.com files differ in size. > > I couldn't get the boot prompt to recognize dev wedge:WD2G18 ; I am using > GPT. > > Or would I need BTINFO_ROOTDEVICE wedge:WD2G18 ? > > I don't know where I would put a boot.cfg file on the EFI system partition. > > I received your message through the netbsd-users list but not direct from > you, don't know how your iPhone mail is set up. > > Tom > --
Re: Laptop Recommendations for NetBSD?
from Chavdar Ivanov: > > I boot - from the laptop F9 - select efi file to boot - bootx64.efi. > boot.cfg is on the root filesystem, as usual. The two Linux > installations on the same disk have some grub, but I don't use it to > boot anything besides them. It all just came to pass without any > problems for me on this laptop, as far as the EFI and NetBSD setup is > concerned; I also generally followed the same guide. Do or did you use efibootmgr? I get a boot menu on my computer, but it does not ask which efi file to boot. Options look like what I see when I run "efibootmgr -v" from the new unstable installations of FreeBSD (12-STABLE and HEAD). I could use efibootmgr to see if I could try to boot bootia32.efi for NetBSD 8.99.46 i386. I see there is no bcfg in my UEFI shell. Tom
