Graphics refresh problem
For a very long time, well over a year, and over numerous new versions (I update to the latest build every fortnight) I find that Netsurf (dev versions) cannot refresh graphics properly. Let me explain. Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ If I visit (on my hard drive) numerouus pages of my wild flower website (URL above) which uses a lot of jpegs on one page, and first visit a lot of pages with loads of jpegs on each, then scroll up and down a page with 8 or so jpegs on it, eventually the images will start to break up, un-able to keep up with the scrolling/refreshing, and show a horizontal venetian blind effect, consisting of repeated sections of the same image separated by 1/4 inch or so, to form a venetian blind. No matter how slowly the page is scrolled (downwards) the refresh is unable to keep up and shows the image in various mondrian-like strips across. It looks pretty, but that is all. I have Choices > Memory = Auto Handling, Auto Handling. Choices > Cache = 6.4MB (i.e. max) Iyonix RO5.13, Netsurf r -- Cheers Roger James Brindley discovered canals when he accidentally fell into one.
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
On 1 Feb 2009, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , >Richard Porter wrote: >> On 1 Feb 2009 Tim Hill wrote: > >> > I thought browsers ignored white space and in no way thought that would >> > be the problem. Other browsers obviously must not translate white space >> > into an extra newline where none is needed. Sometimes Netsurf does. > >> Any white space should translate into a single space, but I agree it >> is sensible to ignore spaces on the end of a line. > > Yes, but Netsurf still inserts a space after an end tag - It doesn't if that end tag is . So a line like this with 'this' in italics and a space before the 'with' shows 'thiswith' all next to each other with no space between. -- Cheers Roger All good things come to an Ent. Hooom.
Re: Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
On 3 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > > Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I have > found an even simpler case: > > .(italic normal). > > I refer to the extra space which coincides with the . > And doesn't it also miss out the space between and 'normal' - it does here... -- Cheers Roger James Brindley discovered canals when he accidentally fell into one.
Re: Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > On 3 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > > > > Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I > > have found an even simpler case: > > > > .(italic normal). > > > > I refer to the extra space which coincides with the . > > > And doesn't it also miss out the space between and 'normal' - it > does here... I don't think so. The reduced space between c and n is due to the proximity of an italic and normal typeface. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Graphics refresh problem
In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new screen. At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the columnar frames suddenly appeared. You may find screen usage statistics interesting: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp Half of users are still on 1024 or less horizontal pixels. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Graphics refresh problem
In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > If I visit (on my hard drive) numerouus pages of my wild flower > website (URL above) which uses a lot of jpegs on one page, and first > visit a lot of pages with loads of jpegs on each, then scroll up and > down a page with 8 or so jpegs on it, eventually the images will start > to break up, un-able to keep up with the scrolling/refreshing, and > show a horizontal venetian blind effect, consisting of repeated > sections of the same image separated by 1/4 inch or so, to form a > venetian blind. Do you use Geminus? If so, open its Choices and in the "Accelerarion options", add an entry for NetSurf if there isn't one already and make sure the 2nd and 3rd options are unticked for NetSurf. Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Google images silly
With recent issues of Netsurf there is a silly in using Google images. When you ask it to search there appears a screen with the first batch of images on which you can click to see the actual web page containing the image. After clicking on this you get a web page with a lot of web activity - but nothing appears on the screen until you click on the "remove frame" icon. It didn't use to do this. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk
Re: Google images silly
In article <502e76dc85dhw...@talktalk.net>, David H Wild wrote: > With recent issues of Netsurf there is a silly in using Google images. > When you ask it to search there appears a screen with the first batch of > images on which you can click to see the actual web page containing the > image. After clicking on this you get a web page with a lot of web > activity - but nothing appears on the screen until you click on the > "remove frame" icon. Ahhh yes. I get this too. I didn't think to accuse NetSurf, as I just assumed it was some silliness or brokenness on the sites I was trying to view. :-) It's been doing that for about a month now (not remembering exactly when I first noticed it). -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/contact/ 21 of Life's Unanswered Questions... 18. Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington > wrote: >> http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ > > I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed you > expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix wide, I still > can't see all your last column without buying a new screen. At first, > Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of images at the top until I > dragged the bottom right and the columnar frames suddenly appeared. This problem has been reported to Netsurf about a year ago.I t's a Netsurf problem, no other browser exhibits it, not even O2. > > You may find screen usage statistics interesting: > > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp > > Half of users are still on 1024 or less horizontal pixels. Conversely, the other half are still on 1024 horizontal pixels, or more :-)) -- Cheers Roger Lasers? It's all done by mirrors!
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 16 Feb 2009, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >Roger Darlington wrote: > >> If I visit (on my hard drive) numerouus pages of my wild flower >> website (URL above) which uses a lot of jpegs on one page, and first >> visit a lot of pages with loads of jpegs on each, then scroll up and >> down a page with 8 or so jpegs on it, eventually the images will start >> to break up, un-able to keep up with the scrolling/refreshing, and >> show a horizontal venetian blind effect, consisting of repeated >> sections of the same image separated by 1/4 inch or so, to form a >> venetian blind. > > Do you use Geminus? If so, open its Choices and in the "Accelerarion > options", add an entry for NetSurf if there isn't one already and make > sure the 2nd and 3rd options are unticked for NetSurf. Aha. I do indeed run Geminus. Many thanks Michael. Now 2/3rds un-ticked :-) -- Cheers Roger SHOUTING is a Capital offence
Re: Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > In article , Roger Darlington > wrote: >> On 3 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: >> > >> > Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I >> > have found an even simpler case: >> > >> > .(italic normal). >> > >> > I refer to the extra space which coincides with the . >> > > >> And doesn't it also miss out the space between and 'normal' - it >> does here... > > I don't think so. The reduced space between c and n is due to the > proximity of an italic and normal typeface. So shouldn't Netsurf, knowing that there is reduced space, insert a bit more space . double space, for instance? > -- Cheers Roger Live each tomorrow as if there were no today
Re: abd
On 11 Feb 2009, David H Wild wrote: > In article <502c1997a2lists-nos...@vigay.com>, >Paul Vigay wrote: >> > I know these aren't implemented yet - but a supreme example of a page >> > that needs them is http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/3/466 > >> > I lookad at why words werre eliding would you believe it's filled >> > with .. what on earth is a superscript space for? > >> Are you sure they're not implemented? I get them ok on the page above. >> In fact, I've used them quite extensively on a site that I've just built >> for a customer - www.hypermaths.org/cropcircles/chapter5/ (amongst >> others) and they all appear to work ok. > > They are implemented. The real problem with this site is that the > superscript spaces - weird things - are not recognised by Netsurf as being > spaces. As Richard asked, what is the purpose of a superscript space? > They're NOT implemented (look at the Subject - it mentions both SUB and SUP) Well, to be more precise, superscripts are implemented, but subscripts are implemented as superscripts! So, for instance, carbon dioxide, CO2, if done properly in html always appears as carbon monoxide squared. See one of the pages in my isotope info website below for numerous examples. http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ElementText/i16.htm This subject (mis-working of ) crops up regularly, about every 3 months. I first reported it about 20 months ago. -- Cheers Roger Leave nothing but your footprints and your mind.
Re: Graphics refresh problem
In article <1da8842e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger > > Darlington wrote: > >> http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ > > > > I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed > > you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix > > wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new > > screen. At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of > > images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the > > columnar frames suddenly appeared. > This problem has been reported to Netsurf about a year ago.I t's a > Netsurf problem, no other browser exhibits it, not even O2. I've looked at it on Firefox on the PC with a 1280 x 1024 monitor and guess what I am unable to see the fourth frame. Luckily I know Rogers excellent site so I know there is a fourth frame. If you scroll down the third frame there is some text about how to see it. I usually click on Maximise and the fourth screen magically appears (or most of it). I must confess I quite like the frame layout - it seems to suit the subject well but really requires a wide screen to make the most of it. Regards Richard
Re: Google images silly
In article <502e791524lists-nos...@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > > When you ask it to search there appears a screen with the first batch > > of images on which you can click to see the actual web page containing > > the image. After clicking on this you get a web page with a lot of web > > activity - but nothing appears on the screen until you click on the > > "remove frame" icon. > Ahhh yes. I get this too. I didn't think to accuse NetSurf, as I just > assumed it was some silliness or brokenness on the sites I was trying to > view. :-) That's what I thought at first, until I spotted some colour just peeking out from under the line at the top of the page. That made me try removing the frame. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 16 Feb 2009, Richard Ashbery wrote: > In article <1da8842e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger > Darlington wrote: >> On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: >> > In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger >> > Darlington wrote: >> >> http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ >> > >> > I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed >> > you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix >> > wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new >> > screen. >> > At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of >> > images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the >> > columnar frames suddenly appeared. > >> This problem has been reported to Netsurf about a year ago.I t's a >> Netsurf problem, no other browser exhibits it, not even O2. > > I've looked at it on Firefox on the PC with a 1280 x 1024 monitor and > guess what I am unable to see the fourth frame. The problem to which I was replying, Richard, is the second half of Tims response: in that IF you have set Netserf to open a window at less that 1098 pixels, then NONE of the lower frames are displayed until you widen the window yourself. This happens even if you have a 1920 pixel wide monitor. No other browser I have seen (not Firefox nor Safari, nor Explorer, nor Fresco, nor Oregano2) behave this way. Netserf will close all the lower columns again if you make the window narrower than 1098 pixels. > Luckily I know Rogers > excellent site Many thanks for the compliment Richard. If you have any good flower photographs to contribute, you are welcome to submit them. All contributions acknowledged. > so I know there is a fourth frame. If you scroll down the > third frame there is some text about how to see it. I usually click on > Maximise and the fourth screen magically appears (or most of it). > > I must confess I quite like the frame layout - it seems to suit the > subject well but really requires a wide screen to make the most of it. I think you can also scale most browsers such that it is scaled at less than unity magnification. It will then fit on a 1024 pixel wide screen. > > Regards > > Richard > > > > -- Cheers Roger My friends think I'm surreal, but I've never been near a sword
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
In article <920b6d2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 1 Feb 2009, Keith Hopper wrote: > > In article , > >Richard Porter wrote: [snip] > > Yes, but Netsurf still inserts a space after an end tag - > It doesn't if that end tag is . > So a line like this with 'this' in italics and a space before > the 'with' shows 'thiswith' all next to each other with no space > between. How quirky! I must admit to never using the 'i' element as it has been deprecated for some years - but interesting. Keith -- Inspired!
