Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread Dr Peter Young
On 18 Sep 2011  Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:

 In message 13163753777908975@ukmrpl003
   Brian brfer...@orpheusmail.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Dave
 No idea why? It all works fine now, but these things always change.
 
 I used to bank with Lloyds and it was fine with NS. Then had to change
 banks then found bos abit limited with our browsers. But it's the same
 situation with most banks and our browsers without JS.

 Barclays works fine with NetSurf.  I always use a very recent version,
 and I do all my on line banking with NS.

Is this with the little keypad thingy that Barclays sent to the late 
S(WMBO)+(WILAC), and which we never used? HSBC have just started using 
these, and even before then their on-line banking stopped working with 
RISC OS NetSurf; I haven't yet tried it with the keypad.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk



Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread John Williams
In article a3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 Is this with the little keypad thingy that Barclays sent to the late 
 S(WMBO)+(WILAC), and which we never used? HSBC have just started using 
 these, and even before then their on-line banking stopped working with 
 RISC OS NetSurf; I haven't yet tried it with the keypad.

An interesting fact is that these 'little keypad thingies' are all the
same, just badged differently.  So if you need to, you can use someone
else's - away from home, for example.

Anyone wishing to discuss this, take it elsewhere, as it's off-topic here.

John




Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread David J. Ruck

On 19/09/2011 11:53, John Williams wrote:

In articlea3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
Dr Peter Youngpnyo...@ormail.co.uk  wrote:
An interesting fact is that these 'little keypad thingies' are all the
same, just badged differently.  So if you need to, you can use someone
else's - away from home, for example.

Anyone wishing to discuss this, take it elsewhere, as it's off-topic here.


Not wishing to discuss it, only to correct inaccurate information:-

You can't use someone else's, as each has a serial number which needs to 
be registered in order that the remote end is using the same seed for 
the random number generation. DO NOT allow anyone else to see your 
serial number, as following the RSA breach, the system is compromised.


Cheers
--
David J. Ruck
email: dr...@druck.org.uk
phone: +44(0)7974 108301



Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread Dave Higton
In message a3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk
  Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 On 18 Sep 2011  Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
 
  In message 13163753777908975@ukmrpl003
Brian brfer...@orpheusmail.co.uk wrote:
 
  Hi Dave
  No idea why? It all works fine now, but these things always change.
  
  I used to bank with Lloyds and it was fine with NS. Then had to change
  banks then found bos abit limited with our browsers. But it's the same
  situation with most banks and our browsers without JS.
 
  Barclays works fine with NetSurf.  I always use a very recent version,
  and I do all my on line banking with NS.
 
 Is this with the little keypad thingy that Barclays sent to the late 
 S(WMBO)+(WILAC), and which we never used? HSBC have just started using 
 these, and even before then their on-line banking stopped working with 
 RISC OS NetSurf; I haven't yet tried it with the keypad.

Yes.

All the keypad does is generate numbers, which appear on its display.
All you do is copy the numbers from the display to NetSurf's writable
icons.  Works a treat.

There is no electrical interface between the PINsentry and the computer.
PINsentry has a keyboard (through which all its input goes) and a
display (from which the user copies all PINsentry's output).

Dave



Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread Dr Peter Young
On 19 Sep 2011  Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:

 In message a3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk
   Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 On 18 Sep 2011  Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
 
 In message 13163753777908975@ukmrpl003
   Brian brfer...@orpheusmail.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Dave
 No idea why? It all works fine now, but these things always change.
 
 I used to bank with Lloyds and it was fine with NS. Then had to change
 banks then found bos abit limited with our browsers. But it's the same
 situation with most banks and our browsers without JS.
 
 Barclays works fine with NetSurf.  I always use a very recent version,
 and I do all my on line banking with NS.
 
 Is this with the little keypad thingy that Barclays sent to the late
 S(WMBO)+(WILAC), and which we never used? HSBC have just started using
 these, and even before then their on-line banking stopped working with
 RISC OS NetSurf; I haven't yet tried it with the keypad.

 Yes.

 All the keypad does is generate numbers, which appear on its display.
 All you do is copy the numbers from the display to NetSurf's writable
 icons.  Works a treat.

 There is no electrical interface between the PINsentry and the computer.
 PINsentry has a keyboard (through which all its input goes) and a
 display (from which the user copies all PINsentry's output).

Thanks for the technical info. (Getting back on topic) Does this mean, 
then, that the HSBC site is working again with NetSurf? If so, I'll be 
glad to have one less use for Windows.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk



Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread Dave Higton
In message 4e77254c.6070...@druck.org.uk
  David J. Ruck dr...@druck.org.uk wrote:

 On 19/09/2011 11:53, John Williams wrote:
  In articlea3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
  Dr Peter Youngpnyo...@ormail.co.uk  wrote:
  An interesting fact is that these 'little keypad thingies' are all the
  same, just badged differently.  So if you need to, you can use someone
  else's - away from home, for example.
 
  Anyone wishing to discuss this, take it elsewhere, as it's off-topic
  here.
 
 Not wishing to discuss it, only to correct inaccurate information:-
 
 You can't use someone else's, as each has a serial number which needs to 
 be registered in order that the remote end is using the same seed for 
 the random number generation. DO NOT allow anyone else to see your 
 serial number, as following the RSA breach, the system is compromised.

My wife and I were each sent a PINsentry.  We have different accounts.
We use the PINsentries interchangeably; I deliberately put the one I
used last underneath the other so as to spread the use between them
evenly.

If they were individual, they would have to be individually identifiable,
and of course they aren't.

Dave



Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

2011-09-19 Thread lists
In article 2a402f1552.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com,
   Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
 My wife and I were each sent a PINsentry.  We have different accounts.

Same here. I think one is still in its original packing.

-- 
Stuart Winsor