Re: Archive website in Corpus font
In article <09b4029750@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > why is Netsurf displaying the Archive website in Corpus (aka Courier) > font? > this is the case here with Netsurf r9548 and r9530. > correct fonts were displayed by r7792, and Firefox 3 on XP displays > correct fonts. Tried it now with r9549 and the site looks fine, no hint of the Corpus font. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Google's PDF-as-text
In article , Jim Nagel wrote: > when the results of a Google search include a PDF, Google offers to > display it as plain text. but it comes out as nonsense in Netsurf > (r9629): all the lines of text seem to be piled on top of one another. > at least in this example: > http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:dr7rk6-FAmcJ:www.mendip.gov.uk/Download.asp%3Fpath%3D%252FDocuments%252FRegeneration%252Fcar%2Bparks%252FGlastonbury%2BCarnival%2BRoad%2BClosure%2BOrder%2B2009.pdf+Glastonbury+carnival+traffic&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&; True, but if you SHIFT-click on the link displayed above the nonsense, the pdf file downloads and can be read in e.g. !PDF without any problem. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Google's PDF-as-text
In article <54392fba50.erv...@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Erving wrote: > I'm puzzeled. whent I click on that link I don't get any 'piling' > (Netsurf 2.1) and clicking the link at the top of the page > (not SHIFT-click) downloads the PDF. > But I see with r9640 (26 Aug 2009 11:30) I do get the 'piling' > but still do not need to SHIFT-click to get the PDF. Ditto - it's obviously a problem with the recent development versions. -- Chris Johnson
Re: crash and 34M logfile
In article <9dce0bd850@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > i've done that, and the site loaded with no crash. mind you, it > took around 60 seconds to render, which seems a long time for what > looks like just text. www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/todo.html It may be 'just text' but the source is nearly 400kB, so that is quite a lot of work to render. --
Re: star-command to fetch a web page
In article <5ee0a23251.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > but there is no manual, or help, to indicate how it is used. I have had a trawl through my hard drive and found some old documentation (in text or Impression format). If anyone would like a copy let me know (by private email). -- Chris Johnson
Re: star-command to fetch a web page
In article <5132aa2cd7ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk>, cj wrote: > In article <5ee0a23251.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, >Tony Moore wrote: > > but there is no manual, or help, to indicate how it is used. > I have had a trawl through my hard drive and found some old > documentation (in text or Impression format). If anyone would like a > copy let me know (by private email). I have now placed a copy at http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/bits/index.html -- Chris Johnson
Re: Impulse (was Re: star-command to fetch a web page)
In article <97f3c63251@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > your notes on that page say you have replaced the old Impulse > module with the 32-bit version. Sorry chaps - I ended up uploading the 'wrong' zip file. The zip there now has the 32-bit module in a directory called 'module'. The 32-bit version is indeed 0.20 so you have it anyway, Jim. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Easy Font Pro says Netsurf attempting to change Font$Path
In article <24c61c3f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > Whichever way I answer, the next time I run Netsurf, I get asked > the same question. Anyone know where and what I should change > somewhere? I only ask here because it seems to be a specific to > Netsurf. OvPro doesn't do this when run. Take a look in !Netsurf.!Run There are lines | Install NetSurf-specific fonts | NB: trailing dot is required FontInstall NetSurf:Resources.Fonts. Netsurf adds its own fonts to the FontPath. These fonts are then removed from FontPath when Netsurf is quit. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Netsurf makes RO4.39 crawl along...
In article <1f16193f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > But when I was backing everything up, I noticed that Netsurfs log > file had grown to epic proportions! 690MB! This is a known problemand has been raised previously in this group. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Margins
In article <92cdf77f51.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > That's what I would have thought, but I can't see how, when you > inadvertantly boot an obsolete version, you get bugs that were > present in that version and when you reboot the correct > application, without quitting and re-running it, it comes all > right again. This is easy to demonstrate. Maybe that particular > bug was data-related. Well, the !Boot file has the line Set NetSurf$Dir in it, so booting an obsolete version will definitely change the system variable. I thought it was recommended that boot files should have that line of the form If = "" Then Set NetSurf$Dir so the variable is only set if it doesn't exist. Only the !run file sets the variable directly. It means the source of various resource files will be set to the old version, e.g. the default CSS styles which may influence the layout of pages. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Black Blobs
In article <92e7328751.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>, Geoffrey Baxendale wrote: > I have just had black blobs all the time for a long time now, has > nobody else had this problem? I have not seen this, and no-one else seems to be admitting to having seen it. It looks as if it is something specific to your installation. Have you tried a completely new install? -- Chris Johnson
Re: Black Blobs
In article <4e5f568a51.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>, Geoffrey Baxendale wrote: > Any suggestions for a better prog any one? SparkFS. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Wiki pages cut off on left.
In article <6daab98f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On the Wiki page; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoxanthin > The molecule is truncated on the left. > This is happening on several other Wiki pages, not just the one above. > NS r11135, RO 4.39 VA-RPC / Win7. It is not just the molecule - there are two columns at the left not showing. They come into view if the page is made much wider (I use a 1920x1200 display). The page has a lot of javascript and a huge amount of CSS controlled table layout. It looks a nightmare so I didn't try to untangle it. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Error:"Format of URL was incorrect"
In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > I have just spent another 10 minutes looking for Netsurfs logfile > without finding it (either in its own !Netsurf directories, or in > the Choices file). It must be somewhere, but I can't remember how > to look at it without first making it crash. It is in !Scrap. On my machine the path is ADFS::Somerset2.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ID64126b01.WWW.NetSurf.Log -- Chris Johnson
Re: crash on trying to get to textfile or to enter password
In article <477dcfad51@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel wrote: > similar thing happened just now in trying to download new version of > Moredesk from http://www.7thsoftware.co.uk/moredesk.releases -- it > asks for a username and password, which i enter, whereupon Netsurf > crashes. Well, I downloaded from there this afternoon, using Netsurf r11881, and it was fine. -- Chris Johnson
Re: cookie association with specific windows?
In article <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to > work normally). wget also fails >wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org' > Does anyone else see a problem? I have had some failures to resolve host address with Netsurf recently. I am not sure whether it is Netsurf specific, but the failures cease when Netsurf is restarted. Since the urls are different, it is difficult to make a repeatable test case. -- Chris Johnson
Re: peculiar F3 crash saving an Archive web page
In article <577bf2d951@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel wrote: > this crash is repeatable; i'm mystified: > www.archivemag.co.uk, click on the URLs link in the left-hand menu, > it loads, mouse over the main frame, F3 to save it -- Netsurf > immediately quits leaving hourglass running. >reload Netsurf, same sequence repeats. Not here it doesn't. Works as expected. Iyonix RISC OS 5.16. Netsurf r12436. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Loading text files
In article <51e42356f0joh...@ukgateway.net>, John Williams wrote: > I am assuming this happens everywhere and to everyone reproducibly, > so have not sent off the log file. > RISC OS 5.16 on Iyonix. Ditto. Same thing happens here. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Errors in Documentation
In article <40563.84.93.161.254.1308748538.squir...@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Dave Lawton wrote: > but I can't see any obvious way for someone who has time on > their hands to contribute by actually fixing the docs. WEll, the doc files can be extracted from the app directory easily enough and corrected. It just needs a way to then get the improved version back to the developers. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Incorrect character display
In article <1326f8f851.bo...@boase.demon.co.uk>, Bernard Boase wrote: > The whole page looks pretty trad HTML with no use of CSS. So my > question is how come Netsurf displays the two identical versions > (A) and (B) differently? And indeed if I save out the correctly > displayed (B) version and load the file back into Netsurf the > problem reappears. Are the versions identical? From the information you have given, opening the html attachment loads the version on disc from the email, whereas presumably clicking on the url in the text portion loads the page from a remote site. Have you actually compared the two versions to check they are identical? The remote site version may be referencing something else which a locally saved page cannot (you are doing a full save?). -- Chris Johnson
Re: Permajet website
In article <52043a4af9bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > > > Would some kind soul have a look at Permajet's website > > > www.permajet.com please. Netsurf doesn't seem to be displaying > > > the page tabs correctly. > > > Are the tabs really supposed to be like that? > > No. > > On Safari 5.1 and Firefox 6.0 on Mac's Lion the upper row of tabs > > 'appear' to be behind the lower row. It all looks very sensible. > Umm, that's what I concluded. I have noticed strange, similar > 'overlaps' on other sites from time to time. Can this 'feature' be > fixed, please? > Mostly it doesn't matter very much but from time to time this > 'feature' occludes pertinent, vital material. Looking at the source and CSS, the tabs are simply gifs used as backgrounds to the actual text. If everything was plotted in the order it appears in the source, the second row would overlay the first as is presumably intended. It may simply be that Netsurf is not following the order in which the tags appear in the source when it lays out the page. I'm not sure that when html is rendered, it has to be rendered in the order it occurs in the source. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Invisible content
In article <5ee13c1a52.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 28 Sep 2011 as I do recall, > John Harrison wrote: > > > > > What makes the content of this web page > > > http://nuclearinfo.org/view/item/a2156 (which is allegedly W3C > > > checked, and doesn't seem to have any serious syntax errors > > > reported when you test it there) invisible on NetSurf when you > > > view the page on their servers, but visible if you save the > > > HTML and double-click on it locally? > > > > When I view it in their server I get what you describe (white > > area surrounded by stuff that looks normal). > > > > But if I save it and then the whole layout goes to pot, with a > > lot more white space. The missing content does render, but > > several window-depths down the page. > > > Oh yes - you get the Lynx-style display, but with actual usable > content. I just noted this in passing, but I have now found another url http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0 which does something also odd. It displays fine when viewing the site, but goes to pot when viewing the result of a full save. The result is similar to that mentioned above, i.e. the left sidebar is shown at the top, and the main content (should be on the right) appears at the bottom, with many of the styles missing. It is obviously CSS related. In the original there are four stylesheets referenced: There are indeed four SSs saved in the 'full save' directory. However, when inspecting the saved source only two have been converted to local links, the other two have been converted to a full remote url. http://www.id3.org/wiki/mentalwealth_id3/css/print.css";> http://www.id3.org/wiki/mentalwealth_id3/css/projection.css";> This gives the 'incorrect' display, the latter two SS being apparently ignored. If the latter two are replaced with links to the two ignored local files, as per the display is still all wrong. However, if the two media types are removed from the latter two so it becomes then everything displays as it should. NetSurf appears to be dealing with the media types differently when parsing the local html. In the original url given by Harriet, the SSs are defined differently, e.g. @import "/themes/nis/styles.css"; which becomes @import '0x76a3b3b0; in the full save index file. NetSurf does not appear to be coping with this format at all. Changing these references to the form then produces a display more like the original, including the blank main frame, although some of the background colouring is lost. Make of all this what you will 8o) -- Chris Johnson
Break tags in full save pages
I have just noticed while comparing the rendering of 'live' pages with the same page when rendered locally after a full save that the tag , which is rendered as a single line feed, is converted to the tag pair in the full saved page, which is then rendered as two line feeds. On the other hand, the menu option Page->Save, rather than the Page->Full save, retains the tag . -- Chris Johnson
formatting broken
It looks as if text within tags is no longer formatted correctly. Implicit line feeds are no longer honoured, so any multiline text comes out as a mess. Using r12932, but r12923 is also broken. r12898 is all right, so it has happened within the last day or so. -- Chris Johnson
Re: formatting broken
In article <521c8afb8ft...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > What URL are you testing with? http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0 Easiest to see the effect by looking at 8. Appendix near the bottom. The genre list should be one item per line. -- Chris Johnson
Re: formatting broken
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 3 Oct 2011 cj wrote: > > In article <521c8afb8ft...@netsurf-browser.org>, > >Michael Drake wrote: > >> What URL are you testing with? > > http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0 > > Easiest to see the effect by looking at 8. Appendix near the bottom. > > The genre list should be one item per line. > The table in section 4 seems to have gone awry too. NS seems to be > getting confused by the wretched span tags. Yes, there are a number of places where it goes awry - the section I mentioned is the most obvious. The code is absolutely full of span tags, but NetSurf coped with it until very recently. -- Chris Johnson
Re: formatting broken
In article <521c86bb50ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk>, cj wrote: > It looks as if text within tags is no longer formatted > correctly. Implicit line feeds are no longer honoured, so any > multiline text comes out as a mess. Using r12932, but r12923 is also > broken. r12898 is all right, so it has happened within the last day > or so. Looks like this has now been fixed. Thanks chaps. -- Chris Johnson
Re: r12975 NetSurf failure -serious error
In article <521e659b48bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > Accessing the testbuilds page gives a serious error and NetSurf > then quits. Seems OK here. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with "Save page location as text".
In article <9c238b2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > Just re-run NetSurf with my home page www.bbc.co.uk and have tried > two saves of page location before doing anything else, and NetSurf > vanished again. I have tried and failed to reproduce this using this and other site. I am on r13025 and RISC OS 5.16 (Iyonix). -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with "Save page location as text".
In article <47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which > is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving > to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times > as I like. I actually did all the saving into a few dirs of Transient as well, when all was fine. However, the path would have been fairly short - e.g. ADFS::Dorset1.$.Transient.Default.110919 -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with "Save page location as text".
In article <47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which > is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving > to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times > as I like. As NetSurf obviously isn't at fault here, is it > Transient or the filer that is causing the problem? In any case, > the bug report can be closed, I think. I guess the test is to continually add a dir recursively inside your temporary directory, and see at what point the save fails - then try a save from a different app. It could still be a problem in NetSurf when it has a long filepath to deal with. The other test is to use short and long names for the directories to see if it is simply the length of path, or the depth of the path. Actually I have just tried a test and Netsurf does go into a black hole when the path is long. It does not need to be the same save. Eg save the location text into a deep directory. Goes ok. Open another save dialogue, e.g. save full page - NS exits immediately the save as dialogue opens. There may be a problem with memory buffering for the file names. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with "Save page location as text".
... and further tests show that other apps are happy saving to an even greater depth than I tried with Netsurf, so the problem appears to be Netsurf related. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Netsurf saving a BMP object.
In article <8889162452.pitt...@iyonix.home>, David Pitt wrote: > Should this be so? Should this be in MimeMap by default? Could it > have been a factor in the "puzzling email" thread confusing Pluto? No idea, but I do have the following in my mimemap file (not that I put it there myself) image/x-ms-bmp BMP 69c .bmp .dib .vga image/x-rle BMP 69c .rle .rl4 .rl8 -- Chris Johnson
Re: puzzling email (getting OT)
In article <5225151bf7bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > I got into a real tangle with a business person. Neither of us > could read/render correctly each others HTML files, sent to and > from each other via email, cross platform, and it mattered. ... but this is still the province of the mail reader/sender software and not a browser problem (unless the html contains important content as javascript which isn't being rendered). -- Chris Johnson
Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? Before submitting a report, it would be interesting to know whether anyone else has experienced this. It has done it several times here over the past few weeks(?), but has taken me a while to realise the connection. I have now tried fetching a web page and then forcing a mail fetch - it gives the error sometimes - it may depend on exactly where NS has reached in the rendering when the mail fetch starts and whether the page to be rendered is already in the cache or not. Forcing a news/rss fetch while NS was rendering a page caused NetSurf to just vanish from the iconbar, with no error message. The pages used for the test were ROOL pages. I did these tests with r13071, but the errors have also occurred with earlier releases. Machine is an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.17. Mail/news software is Netfetch with Hermes and NewsHound. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In article <52251f6554j...@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > Do you specifically mean rendering, as opposed to downloading? The > pages I tried took a few seconds, but didn't have a long rendering > pause after getting the data. Difficult to say - one starts off the NetSurf fetch, then forces a mail/news fetch as soon as possible, the mail fetch status opens, and then the error occurs. Its not obvious at what point NetSurf has got to. The test I did just now with a mail fetch caused NetSurf to vanish, rather than raise an error box. Even the NS log files show different errors, e.g. segmentation fault in one, illegal instruction in another. I guess I should just send in the log files and let the experts decide. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In article <18c32a2552.GrahameParish@grahame.parish>, Grahame Parish wrote: > Just tried loading the news.bbc.co.uk page and running a mail fetch > (Netfetch/Hermes) and got a Netsurf error followed by quit. Ahhh - it's not just my system then. > In the instances above I rarely get an error box, just a sudden > quit from the iconbar. It's still worth checking in Scrap where NetSurf puts its log file, (there is an obey file in the !NS app called OpenScrap which is a quick way to get there). Check the timestamp on the log file to see whether it has just been written. I have found that, even when NS goes into a black hole, and the log file is not opened in an editor, it still often has been written. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In article <5228b3886ct...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > Please try the latest build. The problem was tracked down to an > issue in UnixLib which has now been fixed. I have tried a few tests and it hasn't failed yet, so it looks as if that has fixed it. Many thanks. -- Chris Johnson
Re: r13135
In article <522f027ed8bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > Please note, error message when accessing > https://riscosopen.org/wiki/documenerror:tation/show/New%20users%27%20FAQ > error:14077458:SSL routines:SSL23__GET_SERVER_HELLO:reason(1112) I assume the url is not what is given above. However, when corrected, it still gives the above error. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Error converting PNG
In article <856d4d3552.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave Higton wrote: > Every picture I view from the Railway Herald site's Imaging Centre > causes "Error converting PNG" to flash briefly on the bottom line, > but only when the image is viewed for the first time - refreshing > the image, or going back to one recently visited, doesn't show the > message. Yes - r13157 does the same here. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > http://www.bsbimaps.org.uk/atlas/main.php > Then wait for the page to come up, press menu, and Save> SaveAs and > drag it to a disc Are you using 'Save' or 'Full save'? In either case I can save multiple pages - changing the leafname since the default is always the same. You will need to give a bit more info on exactly how you are doing things. I am on Iyonix RISC OS 5.18 and Netsurf r13502 -- Chris Johnson
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
In article <796c566b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > Save only, not full save. There is no 'Full Save' in the Save> > SaveAs bit... I am totally confused. Netsurf menu over page gives Menu with page>save and page>full save. Both give a save as dialogue, and both work to save multiple times. -- Chris Johnson
Re: configuring default a:link colour??
In article <9c6dc76b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>,
Roger Darlington wrote:
> I have looked in the configure window and failed to spot a means of
> setting the default a:link colour.
> Can it be done?
In my !NetSurf, in the file internal/css are the definitions:
a:link {
text-decoration: underline;
color: #00f; }
a:visited {
text-decoration: underline;
color: #60a; }
a:hover {
text-decoration: none; }
a:active {
text-decoration: underline;
color: #f00; }
Is that not what you want?
--
Chris Johnson
Re: configuring default a:link colour??
There is also a setting in the file CSS:
a:link { color: #00f; text-decoration: underline; }
However, changing the definitions in both css files makes damm all
difference to the display after rebooting netsurf.
It must be being set somewhere else, or being ignored.
--
Chris Johnson
Re: Installing Themes - Risc OS
In article <54da937552.supe...@albenito.eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk>, Allan Bennett wrote: > On Risc PC & Iyonix, new themes were added to > Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Themes, but cannot do this on the Armini - get the > error message: "Path variable had multiple entries and was used for a > write operation". You probably need to use Choices$Write: rather than Choices: -- Chris Johnson
Re: Could someone look at
In article <035856db52.geo...@tiscali..co.uk>, george greenfield wrote: > In message <52db26483astuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> > lists wrote: > > Could someone else take a look at: > > > > http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_scopes/gcr101.html > > > > Here it looks like the page is about 200 yards wide. > > > > Netsurf 2.9 (27th Feb 2012) > > > Same here. > (NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit). Had a very quick look at the source. It could do with some LFs to make it easier to read! Apart from javascript, there are a lot of nested divs, tables and iFrames etc. Could be something simple like misnested blocks, which NetSurf sometimes takes exception to. Would need a lot more time to look at in more detail. -- Chris Johnson
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In article <4b6565db52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > If someone can confirm that this is not unique to my setup I will post > a bug report. Happens here with a 2012-10-06 build. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article , Peter Young wrote: > Any ideas as to what is going on would be gratefully received! Try going in to !Fetch_NS.!Run and change the line If NetSurf$LatestVersion <> "" THEN Set NetSurf$PreviousVersion to If "" <> "" THEN Set NetSurf$PreviousVersion It then works OK. I have always had an automated way of upgrading NetSurf. It is possible to extend the !Run file to keep the previous version(s) and automatically copy !NetSurf out of the archive etc. Obey files can be very powerful! -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article , Peter Young wrote: > Fetch_NS > now runs but falls over with: > pc:9da08 sp: 207f8c ^post_signal() > pc:9dd14 sp: 207fa4 __unixlib_raise_signal() > pc:f9ea4 sp: 206b54 __h_cback() > pc:25008 sp: 206b70 strncasecmp() > pc: ba3c sp: 206b80 ?() > pc:32084 sp: 206e10 ?() > pc:3368c sp: 206f60 ?() > pc:b3950 sp: 206f78 _main() > Termination signal received: Segmentation fault This is cURL falling over. Is it ARMv7 compatible? I haven't tried yet on the ARMini. -- Chris Johnson
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
In article <20121013172217.gg7...@pepperfish.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > I would expect to see the most significant improvement on a > StrongARM RiscPC using the on-board IDE where the IO is a > significant bottleneck and time to decompress insignificant. I would think there would be a significant speed up on a BB system using a USB pendrive as the drive. This is very slow. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article <52de202c94netsurf-...@aconet.nl>, Frank de Bruijn wrote: > Google > directed me to 7.11.0 by James Bursa and that's one of the ones that > fail. That's the one I used (7.11.0) which did work on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.19, 4-Oct-2012). -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article , Peter Young wrote: > unless I open the library so that cURL is booted. Are you putting the curl *binary* in to Boot:Library? If you are putting the !cURL *application* in Boot:Library it will not work because nothing in Boot:Library is booted at boot time. Either extract the cURL binary from the app and put in to Library or put the !cURL application in to eg Boot:Resources, where the app will be booted. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article <8ff38ede52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > would there be interest in > adding bits to the program, similar to the bits I had in my old > script? I have a script that does that and more, although I need to extend it to deal with the case when the latest version hasn't changed. Contact me privately in a day or so - I may have a round tuit by then. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article <52de9a64e1ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery wrote: > Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works > correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS > 5.19). I get the same "segmentation fault" you highlighted earlier. The current version of cURL will not run on the BB. As mentioned by Frank, use wget instead - that works fine on the BB (ARMini). I guess cURL simply needs a recompile with ARMv7 friendly flags. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article <08749dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > That sounds interesting, and I will do that. Well, I now have a modified version of 'Fetch_NS' that works fine on the ARMini. In addition to actually fetching the latest release (if there is one) it will quit NetSurf, rotate the 4 previous backup versions, extract the latest version from the zip, clean up the temporary files and then run the newly downloaded version. If anyone would like to give it a try, let me know (directly, not on the list). -- Chris Johnson
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In article , Brian Jordan wrote: > The page shown at www.bjordan.org.uk/test/index.html has started > throwing up a "NetSurf is running out of memory" error since at > least NetSurf 3.0 (Dev CI#471) and up to 492. If the first two lines $zonkpage 1.35 $usetemplate:.tpl.level1/tpl are removed then it loads fine. These lines don't look like valid html to me. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Word wrapping
In article <2ff92ae052.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > NetSurf is still inclined to split words or expressions over two > lines where there is no white space or hyphen. It certainly has a habit of splitting lines at a tag, where the tag applies to only part of a continuous bit of text as well. Egs that spring to mind include sub/superscript in an expression or even some text italic text. The full stop ends up on the next line. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds
In article <22f899e1-3caa-4e82-b0c8-433848087...@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Can anyone suggest what the problem might be? Something must have changed on your system. There are a lot of users regularly updating the latest builds. If there was a general problem it would soon show up here. The latest build (#531) is absolutely fine here. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds
In article , Alan & Sally wrote: > Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally. > Tried 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between > using the two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac? No. I am using RISC OS 5.19 on an Iyonix and an ARMini. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds
In article <7429a0e452.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till > the new version suddenly springs into life. If you have the directory, in which Fetch_NS is located, open, do you not see the new zip file appear as it is downloaded, the icon change to a zip, when the download is finished, Netsurf disappear from iconbar, the zip file deleted, then new version reappear on the iconbar? If there is not a new version, then certainly there is no visible sign of action - perhaps an error box? - but then that requires a user to dismiss it again. There will be periods of inactivity of a few seconds, since NS does take a wee while to quit, and to start up again. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
In article , David Pitt wrote: > FWIW I note the Hotlist generated by #665 is missing the > tag. OTOH I have not seen the Hotlist get truncated yet. Having now checked on both Iyonix and ARMini, both hotlists are truncated. Since I 'auto-upgrade' NetSurf very regularly (at least daily), and only keep the last 3 versions I have no idea when it started. I never noticed before, since my most frequented sites are at the top of the list, so probably haven't needed to scroll down the list for maybe weeks. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is shortened from 24K to 10K. -- Chris Johnson
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article <1357592886.56899.yahoomailclas...@web87401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, CHRISTOPHER DEWHURST wrote: > It changes each time however some examples are: You might find the utility 'Where' is of use. It will tell you in which module the address is. Unfortunately a total crash will not allow where to be run. However, if it is in an OS module, the address may be in the same module once the machine is rebooted. Note the hex address and then do a *where . http://www.armclub.org.uk/32bit/ -- Chris Johnson
Re: Scroll wheel speed
In article <5310f9b9afris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery wrote: > Unfortunately HID as suggested by John wouldn't work > on the RiscPC because it was designed for the Castle Technology USB > stack. ... and is not fully ARMv7 so has issues on a BB. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Iconv 0.12 released
In article <8645c01653.a...@ntlworld.com>, Rev Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Now that i scary, > Lost in Middlesbrough Unless you write software in C that makes calls to iconv to process unicoded character strings then you have absolutely no use for the stubs files, which can therefore be safely ignored and deleted. -- Chris Johnson
Re: rendering of Wikipedia page
In article , Jim Nagel wrote: > John Rickman Iyonix wrote on 24 Feb: > > Are there any pages in particular that are slow? > > Wikipedia pages on my Iyonix typically take 2 to 3 seconds to load and > > render which is quick enough. > On Netsurf home page, click Wikipedia link. The Wikipedia home page > takes 10 seconds to appear on my Iyonix (Ro 5.18, Netsurf #891). > Today's home page happens to have a link to "exoplanet". I clicked > that; the Wikipedia entry > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet took 10 seconds to > appear. > Click a typical link on that page. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extragalactic_planet takes 9 seconds to > appear. Timings seem a bit different here (RISC OS 5.19, 24 Feb 2013), NetSurf #946 js disabled. Test 1: 3.8s rather than 10s Test 2: 13s rather than 10s Test 3: 2.8s rather than 9s YMMV -- Chris Johnson
Re: blank PHP output from Telephone Preference Service
In article , Jim Nagel wrote: > Netsurf build #891 here on Iyonix 5.1 -- same behaviour whether > Javascript on or off. If you do a full save of one of the pages, a bit of minor editing of the html allows the page to be viewed (I assume) normally in NetSurf. It may be a bit of dodgy CSS although there is some javascript at the head of the page. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Incompatible site?
In article <532dd15104m...@johnwoodhouse.plus.com>, wrote: > On Netsurf - all versions I have, including 3.0 (Dev# 975) Netsurf crashes > out on trying to access > www.itproportal.com/2013/02/19/10-tips-for-the-samsung-galaxy-s3/ Seems ok here on 5.19 Iyonix and dev#966. -- Chris Johnson
Re: techradar fails to display
In article <7a934b4b53.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > On 10 May 2013, Tony Moore wrote: > > In the ROOL Forum, Keith Dunlop pointed to > > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/raspberry-pi-operating-systems-5-reviewed-and-rated-1147941 > > which is an interesting review of operating system distros for the RPi. > > > > Using NS #1125, with JS turned off, the page displays without problem. > > However, if JS is turned on, loading never completes, and the NS > > display remains blank. > > > > Does this require a bug-report? > No response, so I'll assume not. This happens on a number of pages - ie jsoff is fine but json displays nothing or parts of the page are missing. I assume it means that when a server sends a js page, it is too complex for NetSurf to parse and hence goes awry, whereas if the non-js page is sent, that displays fine. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Hotlist display illegible
In article <7120175353.davem...@my.inbox.com>, Dave Higton wrote: > The hotlist display was OK up to CI1201. CI1212 and CI1219 display > the hotlist as black on black. RISC OS 5.18, Iyonix, 512 MiB. > Reverted to CI1201 and it's OK again. > I'll put in a bug report. Have you tried deleting your Choices file, as per suggestions in other threads? -- Chris Johnson
Re: Remember this password
In article , Gavin Wraith wrote: > If not, then maybe some approximation could > be kludged using function keys. There is always FFiller by Kevin Wells. I have found it quite useful in the past. Always use it for eg ROOL forum. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Remember this password
In article , Peter Young wrote: > Or if you are paranoid about having visible passwords on your > system, CrypStor by Frank de Bruijn will store passwords encrypted. ...but if you are paranoid, why would you want the browser to remember passwords anyway? -- Chris Johnson
Re: 3.1 (Dev CI #1330)
In article <53857230d8joh...@ukgateway.net>, John Williams wrote: > My treeview display pluses and minuses have changed to 25/b8 and > 25/be. Probably because you do not have a font with the correct characters - the treview code has been rewritten recently. Michael Drake, who has done the work, wrote on the Netsurf dev list in reply to a similar comment > Same result - works just fine, but I see 25b8 and 25be instead of > the triangles. Yeah, as I said, it seems the default RISC OS fonts don't supply those glyphs. We'll need to add them to the !NetSurf.Resources.Fonts.NSSymbol font. Anyone want to have a crack at that? - -- Chris Johnson
Re: Bad archive
In article <803664d453.wra...@wra1th.plus.com>, Gavin Wraith wrote: > NetSurf 3.1 (Dev CI #1681-9) all give "bad archive" when I try to > unzip. The relevant files appear to be !Help, !Run and !RunImage. > Is this just me? There does seem to have been a problem with the jsoff builds recently. The zips arrive as zero length files. The json version seems fine. It is screwing up my auto download and updater, though, because the extraction of Netsurf from the zero length zip obviously fails. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Bad archive
In article <20140204090427.ga30...@kyllikki.org>, Vincent Sanders wrote: > The CI system is no longer generating jsoff builds at all for any > target that supports a build with javascript. Ahhh - right. I should be paying more attention at the back! Thanks - I will modify my scripts accordingly. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Sockets
In article <7787b6d453.geo...@tiscali..co.uk>, george greenfield wrote: > However, I've noticed this link-resolving failure in Netsurf for > quite a while Yes - it has been happening for a month or so. It was SWMBO who commented first, since she gets emails from various chain stores etc, and the links stopped working. I just assumed there was some change at the remote site, but then when it happened to me, I took more notice and saw it was a lookup failure. I just went back to 3.0 when this happened. Therefore I didn't notice for a while that simply restarting the development version would have fixed things. -- Chris Johnson
Version 1773
Is anyone using the latest build (1773) on an Iyonix? Here, it crashes on startup with a stack backtrace, no log produced. The strange thing is, I have downloaded the same version on the PandaBoard and it works fine. Both Iyonix and PandaBoard are running RISC OS v. 5.21 (26 Mar 2014). I have downloaded the latest version three times on the Iyonix. If I copy the working version from the Panda to the Iyo, it crashes in the same way. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <17ab86ef53.pitt...@iyonix.home>, David Pitt wrote: > No such problem here with #1773 on this Iyonix running OS5.21 > (28-Mar-14). Right - so it is something funny at my end, then. Thanks. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <20140328173258.gx10...@platypus.pepperfish.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > It mostly appears to be Makefile changes, not code changes. Thanks Rob. As you say nothing codewise. Even the makefile changes are mainly formatting changes. I'll check it out on the BeagleBoard first, then do some reboots on the Iyonix to see if it is a clash with something else that is running. I'll have to note down the old-fashioned way what the stack dump is, although the main part is: Error - branch through zero, pc = fffc and UnixLib detected recursion of signal SIGSERV Unfortunately nothing is being written to the log - log is the previous one at a clean exit. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
Ok. I have downloaded some past versions (I was on 1762 before upgrading this morning). 1762 - 1766 work fine. 1767 - 1773 all crash on startup. I wonder what has changed either in the latest 5.21 ROM/!Boot (I upgraded both this morning) or in NetSurf. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <3d5d95ef53.br...@bhowlett.plus.net>, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 28 Mar, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > Something bizarre is happening. > It may be RO 5.21 related - I'm on RO 5.20 on my Iyonix and I don't > get these issues with #1773. I went back first to an earlier 5.21 and then right back to 5.18. Still the same versions run or crash. The only thing I cannot do is unwind the changes to !Boot, which I update every two or three weeks. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
I am no further forward. Have now fired up the BeagleBoard, and 1773 works fine on that. About the only thing I can try with the Iyo is to install a clean boot from the ROOL site, and try with that. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <53f0a19b2cron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Ron Briscoe wrote: > NetSurf Version 1774 works with no problems with the latest !Boot > (014-03-30) and 5.21 ROM (014-03-30) from ROOL on my Iyo :-)). JUst upgraded everything, and it still crashes 8( Looks like I need to delve deeper. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
Now that is interesting - just tried to run !Packman on the Iyonix and got the exact same crash and stackdump. Looks like it might be something to do with SharedULib, although my version is 1.12 (5 Feb 2011). I cannot think what else NetSurf and Packman might have in common. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <20140331193145.gh10...@platypus.pepperfish.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > The computer it's running on :) If you have more than one memory > stick, try using only one at a time to see if one of them is faulty. > I also seem to remember that the PSUs in Iyonixes are famously > unreliable. Neither of those remarks are in the least bit helpful. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <53f13a8c7eron.bris...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Ron Briscoe wrote: > I took a picture of the error box ;-). Thus. > -- > Error 0x8005: Internal error: branch through zero > pc: fffc > Fatal signal received: EMT trap > Stack backtrace: > Running thread 0x6153a4 > ( 61df7c) pc: 478d281r: 4729b0 sp: 61df80 _write_backtrace() > ( 61dfe4) pc: 478e4c1r: 4799ac sp: 61dfe8 _unixlib_raise_signal() > ( 61dff4) pc: 4798e01r: 48c9bc sp: 61cf10 UnixLibErrorHandler() > (fb4213e2) pc: 421ae92c 1r:bea00 sp: 680010 > UnixLib detected recursion of signal SIGSEGV. Exiting. > Press Space or click mouse to continue > That is the same that I still get ... but I am now on the 30th Mar versions of OS and Boot. I am in the process of constructing a clean !Boot based on the 30th Mar, putting back in the minimum needed to get the machine booted, and Netsurf running (or not). I may know something later on today. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Version 1773
In article <53f177d568ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk>, cj wrote: > I may know something later on today. OK. I now have the Iyonix running a relatively clean boot from 30th Mar, and RISC OS v. 5.21 30th Mar. Netsurf #1772 is now running fine (that's the latest I have on the Iyo at the moment). Will download and upgrade to #1774 (or later if available), and check that is ok as well. A lot more stuff still to get back in to !Boot, so keeping fingers crossed. Whether I will ever find out what in !Boot was causing the problem I doubt. Anyway, thanks for the help, chaps, especially Ron for showing I wasn't totally mad! -- Chris Johnson
Re: Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791
In article , Dave Higton wrote: > Anyone else seen this? Yes, Dave. Have just repeated that after downloading latest version. Netsurf #1791, Iyonix 5.21 (30 Mar 2014). -- Chris Johnson
Re: Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791
In article , Dave Higton wrote: > And, since I don't know exactly what format Mantis requires, and if > I get it wrong again all will be lost again, I'm not going to bother > reporting it. It has been found by other persons that including the # causes problems. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791
In article <1166d0f653.davem...@my.inbox.com>, Dave Higton wrote: > It appears to be fixed in 1793. Yes, seems fine on Iyonix and PandaBoard. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Persistant disc cache
In article <4f532c1354.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > The disc cache now seems to be named 'Misc'? Is there any way of > moving it out of !Scrap? Here it looks like !Cache (in Resources) has now got a lot of data in it (in NetSurf directory) after installing latest NetSurf and the !Cache 'application', and having a short browsing session. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Persistant disc cache
In article , Tony Moore wrote: > Here, I can't see any NetSurf directory, in Resources.!Cache Have you Boot-Installed the latest !Boot in the NetSurf download? -- Chris Johnson
Re: Not enough application memory to start Basic
In article <539c509c.8090...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > Our options are to get Cache from > http://www.snowstone.org.uk/riscos/ > fixed, and continue using it, or create our own simpler solution. Having had a very *quick* look, it seems !Cache is implementing a method of being compatible with Select, i.e. a multiuser system, and keeps each users cache separate. I should just say that I have the latest NetSurf, and !Cache, installed on an Iyonix and a PandaBoard, both running a very recent version of RISC OS 5.21 and it seems fine. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Not enough application memory to start Basic
In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > I don't run NetSurf during the boot sequence Neither do I. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Memory still not being released
In article <5400c022.3000...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > You say "persist" and "still"; is there some context for this that > I am missing? Do we have a log files for such runs? I think this problem has been raised on a number of occasions, probably for more than a year. The comment that has come back is that RISC OS has appalling memory management routines and not much can be done. Many other apps manage to release their DAs when documents are closed. The problem seems to be release of memory. For example, I have just run Netsurf, and looked at a couple of ROOL forum pages. Netsurf has claimed three dynamic areas totalling 16 MB, the largest more than 12 MB. However, this memory usage is not released when the pages are closed. When different pages are loaded the claimed memory continually increases. On this machine (on 24/7) I used to get regular crashes when one of Netsurfs dynamic areas reached ca. 131 MB which is the maximum setting. I am now in the habit of regularly quitting Netsurf so the DAs are released. One can live with it. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Avaaz fails to open
In article <5446f4c9decvj...@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman wrote: > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_final/?blWdqbb&signup=1&cl=5812635881&v=45416 > fails to open in 3.3 (#2106), or 3.2 but does open in 2.9. albeit > with lots of warnings about safety certificates. Seems to load ok here using #2107, also did earlier with #2105. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Avaaz fails to open
In article <5236204754.davem...@my.inbox.com>, Dave Higton wrote: > Fails for me here with 2107 (Iyonix, RO 5.20); lots of hour glasses, > nothing gets written to the window within any reasonable time. OK. I have now turned JS on and it does indeed hourglass on and off for ages. Clicking the 'stop loading' button allows the load to stop without crashing. The short answer then is that it is a javascript problem - Netsurf doesn't do javascript very well at all at the moment. I would respectively suggest that any problem page should be checked with JS off as well as on before reporting it as a bug. Version 2.9, of course, had no javascript so that is why it loads the page. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Cache on Atari build
In article <000def68.01ffd4900...@smtp.freeola.net>, Peter Slegg wrote: > A look in the log showed it was trying top open res/cache/control > so I created an empty folder res/cache > Netsurf was then able to start. I would have thought that any sensibly implemented system should automatically create folders that do not exist, rather than die. -- Chris Johnson
!Cache management
Is anyone else finding that the new Cache feature does not seem to expire its content? I wondered a few weeks ago why the main harddrive on the Iyonix was filling up more quickly than I thought it should. I found the Netsurf cache was close to 10 GB in size. Netsurf was configured for a cache maximum of 1 GB with expiry set to 10 days. Randomly checking datestamps of some of the files in the cache showed them to be weeks and even months old. I had been assuming that (a) old files would be deleted after the configured expiry time and (b) if the cache size approached the configured maximum size, then the older files would be deleted anyway to keep the size under the limit. I deleted the whole cache at the time, and it is well under 1 GB at the moment, although checking a few random datestamps, there are certainly files going back to early August, even with an expiry now set to 7 days. I checked on the PandaBoard today and lo and behold, the cache contained more than 8 GB of files. This machine was also configured for a 1 GB max and 10 days expiry. I have now deleted and disabled the cache on the PandaRO. On all my machines I use recent versions of RISC OS 5.21, and recent development versions of Netsurf. Am I misunderstanding what the cache settings are? -- Chris Johnson
Re: !Cache management
In article <20141116145722.gc21...@platypus.pepperfish.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > Currently, if NetSurf crashes (or your computer does) without > quitting cleanly, newly-created cached items will be "leaked"; ie > they will not be stored in the index which is written out on exit. Ahhh - that could explain it. My machines normally run 24/7, and the only time Netsurf is quit is when I move to the most recent version, which may be a week or more between upgrades. I do get the occasional crash of Netsurf, so it could be that a week or more of cache contents is not being indexed. -- Chris Johnson
