Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, etc) do search more than just the frameset... Good for them. Just because they work one way.. What's the point to developing a new browser (or anything for that matter) which is no better than being the same as every other boring piece of windows crap? Software development is not limited to emulation. Something is not good just because 95% of idiots think so. I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? It is not confused. You are. ;-) And of course, it finds nothing... . . . because it's the scale view tool! :-D -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. But the user isn't concerned with how the page is constructed. (S)he just wants to find a text string wherever it happens to be on the page. The search facility should search all framesets recursively. Yes, of course. I'm simply describing how it works at the moment. Anyone is welcome to change it or submit a feature request so someone else might change it. I don't think a feature request should be necessary to correct an obvious shortcoming. Obvious to you perhaps. Feature requests should be used for features over and above normal operation of the browser. That's what you're asking for. The search facility itself is a feature, but once it's been implemented the fact that it can't handle some types of pages is a bug No it isn't. The failure was in the knowledge base of the user about how the browser works. (accepting that it can't at present be expected to find strings generated by javascript). Say what now? Javascript don't work here so it won't generate anything to be found. To search the page /including scripts and tags/ hit f8 and search in your editor. As with the search function, you need to click in the frame you want to edit (or the address bar for the frameset) before hitting f8. It is clear to this reader that you are asking for the functionality of the search function to be changed. That's a feature request. It would be a bug if you searched for 'lemon' and found 'orange'. Do you think that every frame and the frameset should all appear at once in an editor in pressing f8? Please, God, no. There are some of us who maintain web sites and the way the search (and edit) functions work is just fine and dandy, thanks. (Though I am not averse to configurable change.) Sorry to butt in. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 6 Sep 2008, Tim Hill wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, etc) do search more than just the frameset... Good for them. Just because they work one way.. What's the point to developing a new browser (or anything for that matter) which is no better than being the same as every other boring piece of windows crap? Software development is not limited to emulation. Something is not good just because 95% of idiots think so. I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? It is not confused. You are. ;-) And of course, it finds nothing... . . . because it's the scale view tool! :-D What rubbish!!! When you press it, up comes a 'Find box!! Is it you who is confused? -- Cheers Roger Do you Yahoo? Not if I can help it, but I do yell the occasional 'Yabbadabba Doo'
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008, Richard Ashbery wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: [snip] That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported ages ago. No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times before, only Netsurf. Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf. This does look like a bug in NetSurf.. A word of caution - I have just transferrred the URL to Firefox on a PC. If I didn't know there was a Subject index frame on the right-hand-side of the page I might not have automatically enlarged it to see if anything was missing. My default Firefox browser page displays just three frames. But on the 3rd column it tells you that there is a 4th column, and how to view it if you can't see it :-)) Incidentally - that's one hell of a database you have accumulated. Well done. Thanks Richard. But if it is one hell of a database, then when it is finished it will be 20 hells of a database, for I have only got 1/20th into writing it. Photographs of flowers from other parts of the contry are welcome, and will be fully acknowledged in the WildFlowerFinder.org.uk database. -- Cheers Roger Today is yesterdays tomorrow and it's already gone
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 6 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot find a 'scale view' button in the 'Qute' theme I am using. I *think* it has one. Over the toolbar, do Menu Edit toolbar and you should be able to drag whichever icons you want to the toolbar or remove ones you don't use. Aha, yes Michael, it does indeed have one. It is shown as a starfish. The Qute theme defiantly lacks the Up icon, so you won't be able to enable that if you use that theme. Yes, it does seem to only have 11 icons, whereas the other themes have 12 icons to select. I wonder if I could somehow edit the theme so that it has the 12th item. I'll have a look. See the toolbar customisation section of the documentation for more info http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#ConfigurationToolbar Thanks Michael. -- Cheers Roger Where there's a hill, there's a way.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
Obviously the search tool should search through everything. This will be fixed sometime. I don't know when because we can't plan to that detail. I hope this will terminate this aimless thread. James -- James Bursa, NetSurf developerhttp://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported ages ago. No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times before, only Netsurf. Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf. -- Cheers Roger Free beer yesterday
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. And searching within a frame works here too. Right. The problem is that you can't scroll the whole frameset horizontally, and the individual frames can't be scrolled so NetSurf just gives up. I had to scale down to 70% to get the index frame in, although it will display some frames at 90% and full screen width. Other browsers have no such hangups with this site, and can display it. i think it is a bug in Netsurf. My inclination would be to greatly simplify and split up that page, and do away with frames altogether. I can't see the point of the noframes section - surely it would be better to provide links to the main index and search facilities. Are there any browsers where you can turn frames off? -- Cheers Roger Remember: walls have ears.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:40:32 +0100 David J. Ruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid you can't keep wheeling out that response to people using your application, just because its open source and they happen to be a developer of some description. I'm afraid I can. We're not here for users, we're hear because developing NetSurf is an amusing use of our spare time. If you find something unacceptable, fix it. That's how many of the current developers got started with it
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. But the user isn't concerned with how the page is constructed. (S)he just wants to find a text string wherever it happens to be on the page. The search facility should search all framesets recursively. Yes, of course. I'm simply describing how it works at the moment. Anyone is welcome to change it or submit a feature request so someone else might change it. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, etc) do search more than just the frameset... I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? And of course, it finds nothing... -- Cheers Roger Don't put off today what you could do tomorrow
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The row height bug What's that? If you specify the row height in the table row tag and that height is not exceeded by any cell or any object in any cell in the row, then the height of the row is much greater that it should be. If the height is not specified in the row tag then the row height is correctly set according to what is in the cells of that row. Example tr height=6tdimg src=images/spacer.gif width=1 height=6 alt=/td tdimg src=images/tlcorner.gif width=6 height=6 border=0 alt=/td td bgcolor=#d0img src=images/spacer.gif width=1 height=1 alt=/td/tr Gives a row that is much too high (probably sufficient to contain text although there isn't any), whereas trtdimg src=images/spacer.gif width=1 height=6 alt=/td tdimg src=images/tlcorner.gif width=6 height=6 border=0 alt=/td td bgcolor=#d0 height=6img src=images/spacer.gif width=1 height=1 alt=/td/tr gives the correct result. This has been reported on the tracker. N.B. spacer is a one pixel transparent image. -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: [snip] That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported ages ago. No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times before, only Netsurf. Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf. This does look like a bug in NetSurf.. A word of caution - I have just transferrred the URL to Firefox on a PC. If I didn't know there was a Subject index frame on the right-hand-side of the page I might not have automatically enlarged it to see if anything was missing. My default Firefox browser page displays just three frames. Regards Richard Incidentally - that's one hell of a database you have accumulated. Well done.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? -- Cheers Roger Today is yesterdays tomorrow and it's already gone
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008 Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. And searching within a frame works here too. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? Yes, searching particular frames works perfectly, exactly as I described. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Peter Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. Or make the window wide enough to accommodate all the fixed width frames that the page wants to make. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 04 Sep, Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? If you search for text using the magnifying glass with the question mark over it in the page header immediately left of the URL, then it doesn't matter where you click on this page, it cannot find any text : try it entering just the letter 'a' If, however you search using the f4 method of opening the same search box, then it immediately finds text as it should, depending upon which area of the page is clicked in. This seems to account for the different experiences reported. The top icon seems to work on all the other web pages I have tried John -- /____ /Mail from[EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . using RISC OS 5.13 on an XScale powered Iyonix computer.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008 Dr Peter Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. Well thats never correct, something should always be displayed, regardless of the window width. I suggest thats raised as in a bug report too. BTW in FF3 on the EEE 701 with its 800 pixel wide screen, you see the first 3 frames, but there is no horizontal scrollbar for the entire window. The only way to get the 4th frame is to scale the window down two steps (Ctrl - in FF3). Cheers ---Dave -- __ David J. Ruck Phone: +44- (0)7974 108301 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David J. Ruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. Well thats never correct, something should always be displayed, regardless of the window width. I suggest thats raised as in a bug report too. Something is displayed, but it's just the banner at the top of the page; you have to reduce the size to be able to see all of it. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008 David J. Ruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Dr Peter Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. Well thats never correct, something should always be displayed, regardless of the window width. I suggest thats raised as in a bug report too. BTW in FF3 on the EEE 701 with its 800 pixel wide screen, you see the first 3 frames, but there is no horizontal scrollbar for the entire window. The only way to get the 4th frame is to scale the window down two steps (Ctrl - in FF3). Isn't that a bug too? :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008 Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:46:52 +0100 David J. Ruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is displayed, but it's just the banner at the top of the page; you have to reduce the size to be able to see all of it. Unacceptable. There is nothing to suggest to the user that this action is required. It might be thought (as I did) the rest of the page was blank due to bad HTML or Javascript. As much of the frame set that can be displayed in the window width should be displayed, then it should be pretty obvious to the user that the window needs to be wider to see the remaining undisplayed content. You know where to send patches. I'm afraid you can't keep wheeling out that response to people using your application, just because its open source and they happen to be a developer of some description. I'm here in the capacity of a user, and pointing out things that of concern to users. You are free to either fix them or ignore them. Cheers ---Dave -- __ David J. Ruck Phone: +44- (0)7974 108301 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 3 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: Bug in Netsurf: Try: http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ and try doing a search (magnifying glass) for the word 'wild'. (Any word will do, actually, but it just happens that the word 'wild' occurs almost throughout the site). Netsurf r/5229 finds nothing! Netsurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Can you open the main frame in a new window and then search? -- _ |_|. _ Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/ |\_||_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
