Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > In article <96f819f055.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter > wrote: >> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: >>> As you have a problem with both machines ... >> I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both >> machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff >> gen on the ARMX6. > Not quite. > This was the post in question: Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could they have in common which differs from other platforms? >>> I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and >>> RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it >>> contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor >>> type? > "the same behaviour" in reply to "there seem to be problems" I meant the same behaviour as each other, not the same _different_ behaviour. > Not confusing at all. > Good night. Good morning. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > As you have a problem with both machines ... I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff gen on the ARMX6. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could > > they have in common which differs from other platforms? > I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and > RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it > contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor > type? Well, I'm not sure there is an HTTP header which would tell me the OS nor processor type of the machine hosting a visiting browser unless this is included in the user agent string. Go here with any browser to see what it is telling the world about itself in its User Agent HTTP header: http://timil.com/temp/browser.php?version=latest NetSurf 3.7 #3798 says "NetSurf/3.7 (RISC OS)". Hopefully, a browser doesn't tell lies in that string or if a user changes it then obviously it won't be detected OR checks for OS versions and whatnot can be completely spurious and unreliable anyway. You almost need Google Translate anyway to know that "...Windows NT 6.1; WOW64..." is actually Windows7-64. As I explained, the Calendar page detects the browser name in the HTTP_USER_AGENT string. The chunk of the page which does that and generates the welcome message is here http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/netsurf?version=latest The purpose of it is to do this: Find out which Browser is visiting. If it is NetSurf, Otter or Firefox print a personalised welcome message then: Is JavaScript active? - yes: print one message in RED (using JavaScript) - no: print in black, another message; If NetSurf, print some more. As you have a problem with both machines it could indicate that your network connection could be caching files somewhere incorrectly. Using a dummy variable appended to a URL will/should force a fresh copy of that file to be used and not a cached one: http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/?version=latest The user could be consistent in not changing the option in both browsers correctly (!) or your copies of NetSurf (or your hardware) are corrupt and should be replaced. It seems unlikely that both machines would have the same problem unless you are running the exact same copy of NetSurf via Share (as I do). But doing the same wrong thing on both machines would be possible! After all, someone else with the same version and hardware as you does not experience the same problem. Well, back to the page being displayed (wrongly) in your NetSurfs, and after ensuring that "Disable JavaScript" is ticked in the Content Choices, what happens when you click on "Set" with Select? If the Content Choices dialogue closes, is the Disable JavaScript option still ticked if you then re-open it? Another thing you could try is deleting whatever cache you have for NetSurf. Use the Utility !ShowScrap (or into a command window type Filer_OpenDir and then press ). Delete the contents of WWW.NetSurf.Cache There there could instead be a software clash so try and remove anything non-standard. Have you added things such as MouseAxess to both machines? I deleted that years ago following a tip and lots of supposedly unrelated weirdness stopped happening . We just need to find out what's causing yours. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55efef95a0brian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan wrote: > In article <55efd852c1...@timil.com>, Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan > > wrote: > [Snip] > > Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure. > If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release > of NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty. Sorry, Brian, I thought for a moment this was Twitter and I was being trolled. I have amended the messages and hope it is more easily understood. http://timil.com/riscos/calendar -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55efd852c1...@timil.com>, Tim Hill wrote: > In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan > wrote: [Snip] > Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure. If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release of NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty. -- _ Brian Jordan Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit RISC OS 6.20 _ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <4c8196ef55.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter > > wrote: > >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ > >> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a > >> link associated with an event the page opens in the window in the > >> middle of your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back > >> to the calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't > >> help. > > JHC. > > Use when you click on a link. > > I can't reprogramme Google Calendar. > Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust- > click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that > NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history. I have added a note to help people less familiar with the workings of NetSurf and RISC OS. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could > they have in common which differs from other platforms? I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor type? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > In article <4c8196ef55.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, >Richard Porter wrote: >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ >> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link >> associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of >> your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the >> calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help. > JHC. > Use when you click on a link. > I can't reprogramme Google Calendar. Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust- click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Bryan Hogan wrote: [Snip] > However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now > get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS > disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching. Sounds likely. > However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad > redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-( I've only seen messages like that with Phoenix. ;-) Also odd, because when I select the HTML-only link it doesn't seem to redirect at all. > NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version. > Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll > have more of a play over the weekend. Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could they have in common which differs from other platforms? -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <4c8196ef55.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ > I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link > associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of > your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the > calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help. JHC. Use when you click on a link. I can't reprogramme Google Calendar. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan wrote: > In article , Peter Young > wrote: > > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > > In article , Richard Porter > > > wrote: > > >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ > > Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, > > even though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see > > the site again. > > >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON > > >>> is rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? > > >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that > > >>> Content Choice option. > > >>> #3798 works as expected. > > >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) > > > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'. > > How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me > > that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me > > that it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that > > happen? > > Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm > > running? > I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices--> > Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The > calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to > disable Javascript and reload this page" Correct > If I then disable JS and > reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not > appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to > display correctly. Correct. It didn't did it? With NetSurf's semi-JavaScript enabled you saw a white page with only "RISC OS Event Calendar" written in it. > You can visit the HTML-only version of this page > at: Yes, so what you do is click on the HTML-only version. Why do people find this complicated? I have no means to change the message Google Calendar puts in the iframe but if you think it through, it makes complete sense and you have to click on the HTML-only version because the browser you are using is, um, incomplete. Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 16 Dec 2016 Brian Jordan wrote: > > I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices--> > > Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The > > calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to > > disable Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and > > reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not > > appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to > > display correctly. You can visit the HTML-only version of this page > > at: > > NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss. > It's contradictory. No it isn't. > When you open the page it says "Your Javascript > ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google > calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but > this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However > if you follow the link the calendar display comes up. Beacause it's offering you the non-JavaScript alternative. You need to select it. Oh, what a hardship. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Richard Porter wrote: > On 16 Dec 2016 Chris Young wrote: >> On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter >> wrote: >>>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off >>>e.g. Javascript is NOT enabled. ? >> http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html >> Chris > Useful page. +1 Peter. -- Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Chris Young wrote: > On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter > wrote: >>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off >>e.g. Javascript is NOT enabled. ? > http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html > Chris Useful page. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In message <55ef509b5e...@timil.com> Tim Hill wrote: >>From Newsgroup: comp.sys.acorn.misc > Subject: Re: London Show news > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:20 > In article , Peter Young > wrote: >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: >>> In article <4ec82cef55.br...@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan >>> wrote: Although the Events Calendar doesn't work in NetSurf, so also have a nomination in the Broken Cog category :-D >>> It does, why have you got javascript switched on? ;-) >>> Fixed that for you: >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ >> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even >> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site >> again. > Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is > rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? I had js off when I first visited the page, but received what must have been the js version, with just a blank white box in the middle of the page. So I then tried with js on, still got the exact same page. However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching. However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-( NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version. Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll have more of a play over the weekend. Thanks, Bryan. -- RISC OS User Group Of London - http://www.rougol.jellybaby.net/ RISC OS London Show - http://www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk/
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter wrote: >Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off >e.g. Javascript is NOT enabled. ? http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html Chris
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Brian Jordan wrote: > I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices--> > Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The > calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable > Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page > the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support > JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. > You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at: > NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss. It's contradictory. When you open the page it says "Your Javascript ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However if you follow the link the calendar display comes up. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Peter Young wrote: [ http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ ] #3798 works as expected. >>> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) >> Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'. > How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me > that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that > it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen? > Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm > running? I've just tried it on my ARMX6 (OS 5.23) and it works just the same. Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off e.g. Javascript is NOT enabled. ? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Peter Young wrote: > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > In article , Richard Porter > > wrote: > >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ > Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even > though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site > again. > >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is > >>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? > >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content > >>> Choice option. > >>> #3798 works as expected. > >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) > > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'. > How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me > that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that > it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen? > Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm > running? I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices--> Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at: NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss. -- _ Brian Jordan Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit RISC OS 6.20 _ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > In article , Richard Porter > wrote: >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site again. >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is >>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content >>> Choice option. >>> #3798 works as expected. >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'. How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen? Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm running? I only asked :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: > >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ > >> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even > >> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site > >> again. > > Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is > > rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? > > You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content > > Choice option. > > #3798 works as expected. > Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'. -- Tim Hill timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote: >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ >> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even >> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site >> again. > Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is > rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled? > You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content Choice > option. > #3798 works as expected. Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC) -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ Skype: minijem2 mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.