Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 3 Oct, Roger Darlington wrote in message <02a8841c52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>: > I have downloaded the latest test build r12932, and find that it treats > frames in an entirely different way to what it test builds did less than 3 > months ago. > > Positioning the mouse pointer over any one frame and rotating the scroll > wheel used to scroll only the frame that it was underneath it; now it > scrolls the whole caboodle, and reveals a previously unseen blank frame at > the bottom. (??) Some of these issues have now been sorted in the RISC OS front-end, as of r13292. Frames can be scrolled using the scrollbars and by dragging, as has always be the case. In addition, they can now be scrolled using the keyboard. The browser window must have focus, and the caret must not be in the URL bar (as many of the scroll keys are also used by URL completion); a click somewhere in the main part of browser window will achieve this. After that, the cursor keys, Page Up/ Down, Home and End will have the usual effects: either on the whole page (for unframed sites) or for the frame under the mouse pointer. The scroll wheel is more tricky. In theory it will behave as the keyboard does, and scroll whatever is under the pointer. However, the problem is that there's no standard API for passing on scrollwheel events under RISC OS, so there may well be incompatibilities. Operation on Select and RISC OS 6 remains untested. * The scroll wheel won't work under RISC OS 4.02 or earlier. * Later versions of RISC OS 4 and 6, which include ROL's scroll wheel API, should work "out of the box". If you have it configured to "Focus" or "Focus or Pointer" behaviour, however, remember that NetSurf still needs the pointer to be over the window in question so that it knows which object you're trying to scroll. Also remember that support on these OSs is untested. * RISC OS 5 without HID should work as standard. However, the OS seems to send scroll requests in clumps of five to the browser, so it may scroll more that you would expect. * RISC OS 5 with HID should also work, but NetSurf needs to get scroll information from HID in "Scroll Request" mode. If this is your default setting for HID then things will just work; if not (and I think that HID defaults to a different default, IYSWIM) then you need to add an exception. Select 'Scroll wheel' from HID's iconbar menu; click Menu on the list that appears and choose 'Edit->Add new line at bottom'. Select the new line, then choose 'Edit->Edit line...' from the menu. In the dialogue, set 'Application' to "NetSurf" (via the pop-up menu, if NetSurf is running), and set 'Vertical method' and 'Horizontal method' to "Scroll Request". 'Step' should be "1" for both. Click 'OK'; you'll then need to save the settings (which HID might prompt for when you shut down). * If you have a scroll wheel setup that scrolls by sending Open Window events to NetSurf (which is how HID works in some other modes, and how I think STD's old PS2Mouse system worked pre-ROL), then things will still work on unframed sites. With frames, however, you'll see the effect described by Roger above: the whole site will simply scroll out of view and leave a blank work area in its place. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 28 April 2012 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 18 Dec, Steve Fryatt wrote: > RISC OS 5 with HID should also work, but NetSurf needs to get scroll > information from HID in "Scroll Request" mode. If this is your default > setting for HID then things will just work; if not (and I think that > HID defaults to a different default, IYSWIM) then you need to add an > exception. Select 'Scroll wheel' from HID's iconbar menu; click Menu > on the list that appears and choose 'Edit->Add new line at bottom'. > Select the new line, then choose 'Edit->Edit line...' from the menu. > In the dialogue, set 'Application' to "NetSurf" (via the pop-up menu, > if NetSurf is running), and set 'Vertical method' and 'Horizontal > method' to "Scroll Request". 'Step' should be "1" for both. Click > 'OK'; you'll then need to save the settings (which HID might prompt > for when you shut down) Since following this advice, long menus no longer scroll with the wheel. RO 5.16 and r13295. Example site - http://www.tvguide.co.uk/ - scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the "Add Channel" menu - you have to use the scroll bar to scroll the menu. -- Brian Howlett - "What's the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken?"
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On Mon, December 19, 2011 12:02 am, Brian Howlett wrote: > Since following this advice, long menus no longer scroll with the > wheel. RO 5.16 and r13295. > > Example site - http://www.tvguide.co.uk/ - scroll to the bottom of the > page and click on the "Add Channel" menu - you have to use the scroll > bar to scroll the menu. Does that only applies to long menus in NetSurf? If so, then presumably NetSurf's menus look just like NetSurf windows and HID now sends them scroll requests as well. Unless those requests end up being sent to NetSurf so that it can scroll the menus manually in the way that HID would have done before (I'm not sure, and I'm not near enough to a RISC OS box to check), then there's no way around the problem. Even if they do, it will be messy and I suspect we're straying into "undocumented areas" of the Wimp. This could be more of an HID feature than a NetSurf one: I'll investigate when I get the chance. As I said in my first post, scroll wheel support on RISC OS is something of a minefield... :-( -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 28 April 2012 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 19 Dec, Steve Fryatt wrote: > This could be more of an HID feature than a NetSurf one: I'll > investigate when I get the chance. As I said in my first post, scroll > wheel support on RISC OS is something of a minefield... If I set the scroll wheel settings in HID back to the way I had it before (Fixed distance/200 units) the menu scrolls OK, but obviously the frames issue would still be a problem. However, as so very few sites use frames these days (that I use, anyway!) I can live with it. -- Brian Howlett --- Every 4 seconds a woman has a baby. Our problem is to find this woman and stop her.
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 19 Dec, Brian Howlett wrote in message <065e1f4452.br...@bhowlett.plus.net>: > On 19 Dec, Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > This could be more of an HID feature than a NetSurf one: I'll > > investigate when I get the chance. As I said in my first post, scroll > > wheel support on RISC OS is something of a minefield... > > If I set the scroll wheel settings in HID back to the way I had it before > (Fixed distance/200 units) the menu scrolls OK, but obviously the frames > issue would still be a problem. > > However, as so very few sites use frames these days (that I use, anyway!) > I can live with it. Try r13300. It's still not perfect, but I'm not sure it's handling of (say) the scroll wheel in the Themes config dialogue is any more broken than what happens normally (with HID; still untested with Select). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 28 April 2012 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 19 Dec, Steve Fryatt wrote: > Try r13300. It's still not perfect, but I'm not sure it's handling of > (say) the scroll wheel in the Themes config dialogue is any more > broken than what happens normally (with HID; still untested with > Select). That's sorted it for me, anyway. Quick work ;) -- Brian Howlett --- I came home from work the other day and found that someone had stolen all my furniture, and replaced it with exact replicas...
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 18 Dec 2011, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 3 Oct, Roger Darlington wrote in message > <02a8841c52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>: >> I have downloaded the latest test build r12932, and find that it treats >> frames in an entirely different way to what it test builds did less than 3 >> months ago. >> >> Positioning the mouse pointer over any one frame and rotating the scroll >> wheel used to scroll only the frame that it was underneath it; now it >> scrolls the whole caboodle, and reveals a previously unseen blank frame at >> the bottom. (??) > Some of these issues have now been sorted in the RISC OS front-end, as of > r13292. Indeed so Steve:-) > Frames can be scrolled using the scrollbars and by dragging, as has always > be the case. Yes, it now works properly as before (VA-RPC SA RO4.39). (NS r13437) When using the scroll bars to scroll, it is still noticeably slower than versions of Netsurf of 9? months previous, perhaps half as slow (or twice as jerky). Something has happened to the update speed. Can this ever be restored to its former responsiveness, or is it some consequence of the way NS now operates? > In addition, they can now be scrolled using the keyboard.With > frames, however, you'll see the effect described by > Roger above: the whole site will simply scroll out of view and leave a blank > work area in its place. No, it will now scroll without ever showing a blank work area:-)) I notice, however, that it doesn't clear the keyboard buffer when you release the Arrow Keys, but continues scrolling for some short period depending upon stored keys in the keyboard buffer. But it is not a big deal. Well done. Sterling work :-) -- Cheers Roger If I knew where I was I wouldn't be here
