Re: Speculative Intergalactic Network

[John Hopkins]

Keith - you beat me to it --

There is much room for expanding ones communicative system in the immediate 
surrounds of this very planet -- there is an abundance of communicative energy 
flows all around us. Most of these we are -- by choice and by social convention 
-- completely ignoring. Yet we possess the faculties to tap into them 'merely' 
by paying attention ... both to our body-system and to the rest of the systems 
we are but a small part of...


If only as a mental exercise, it can be cleansing of the mind to move into some 
environment, preferably one with some shred of 'naturalness' remaining, and 
'unknow' what you observe in it. You will see alien worlds at your fingertips.


Indeed, if you consider communication to be the directed/organized flow of 
energy, the concepts of primitive or advanced need to be considered both in end 
effect on the transmitter and receiver, as well as the overall effect of the 
communicative act on everything around it. I suspect that primitive/advanced 
have no meaning in that regard! DNA signaling or pheromones being just as 
profound as Kant ... and ultimately far more potent ...


JH

On 11/Jan/18 09:00, christineT wrote:

I very much like the idea of a communication network expanded to aliens
(us included) and the question of imperialistic subordination of ones by
others. It would probably not be called internet, require a better
understanding and use of our "other senses and sensors".
Maybe it exists and we dumbs don't perceive it... or we don't know that
certain waves effects are signs of it... or we produce too much
electromagnetic pollution to be able to catch it, or...



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Re: Speculative Intergalactic Network

[Keith Hart]

As a thought  experiment, consider why we can't communicate with the ants
or vice versa. Their social organization is stronger than ours and their
collective intelligence is demonstrable. It may be that one side is more
primitive than the other. But which?

Kant held that reason is still largely individual in the human case and its
potential will only be realized at the species level. He didn't mean that
we all become one big brain, but rather that we have to learn to pool our
intelligence and knowledge more effectively than at present. He probably
had in mind libraries to which we could add mass media (which are usually
one-way) and now the internet where everyone in principle can be a producer
and consumer, but it would seem that the organization of collective reason
is far away.

Kant also asked if our mathematics were universal and might therefore be a
means of communicating with aliens; and rejected the idea. His Copernican
revolution in metaphysics led him to make this observation: "Hitherto our
knowledge has conformed to objects; but what if objects have to conform to
our knowledge?" Our mathematics, music etc are therefore culturally
specific and would not allow us to communicate with aliens. But hang in
there, maybe, if we don't destroy the planet first, we might get there as a
species one day. Think again, Steven Spielberg.

The digital revolution is the most important in human history since the
invention of agriculture, but we are the digging stick operators in that
revolution and they couldn't have a clue that it all ends up as Chinese
civilization.

Alternatively we and the other inhabitants of this planet may already be
the objects of a computer game played by much more intelligent aliens. It
is absurd to imagine that our pathetic technologies and even more pathetic
societies could expand our current means of communication to reach
extraterrestrials, any more than the ants already have the means to reach
us or the other way round. The Victorian thought they were the last stage
of evolution. We need to be more modest.

Keith

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:00 PM, christineT  wrote:

> I very much like the idea of a communication network expanded to aliens
> (us included)
>
> > Let’s assume (so called intelligent) aliens would exist. What do you
> think: How would communication work with those aliens? How would it change
> the Internet if we expanded it to different planets? I’ve been wondering if
> hierarchical structures between the new lifeforms and us humans would occur
> – like a new form of imperialism.
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Re: Speculative Intergalactic Network

[K E N O]

> It would probably not be called internet, require a better
> understanding and use of our "other senses and sensors".
> Maybe it exists and we dumbs don't perceive it... or we don't know that
> certain waves effects are signs of it... or we produce too much
> electromagnetic pollution to be able to catch it, or…

… or they are already using gravitational waves for communication. ;) Or some 
other kind of transmission medium. Or they exist in another dimension. That 
would be nice: an intergalactic and multi-dimensional internet. What would 
intergalactic internet memes be like?
Electromagnetic pollution is an interesting point, since we love (I do, for 
sure) our electromagnetic communication and broadcasting systems. Nevertheless, 
we only focus on pollution regarding the spectrum of light because we can see 
it.
That leads to the SETI initiative, which I find very interesting from both a 
scientific and an artistic view. Analysing electromagnetic signals, they are 
not only able to discover extraterrestrial life, but also to detect other 
cosmological events. It’s like fundamental research of electromagnetic signals 
with a chance of finding aliens.

> For the first amateur radio satellite, they could call it Loretta Strong
> ( from Copi's theater play) or Walt Dangerfield (from  P. K. Dick's Dr
> Bloodmoney). I think that should enable a better communication to/with
> space, cause they are intergalactically known and explicit, nope ?

They do call it Fox-1D. ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMSAT#Satellite_names 
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Re: So what does awakening mean to you?

[Keith Hart]

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Dan S. Wang  wrote:

>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thank you for an inspired meditation on the film Get Out. I watched it a
> few days ago. [spoilers to follow, sorry]
>
> The film is totally about race, but so is America, or for that matter,
> Europe. No >one can miss the fact that the ghouls of the story are
> liberals. The film is >about societies whose highest enlightened ideals are
> the very essence of >domination. Although it allows you to make all kinds
> of valid statements about >how domination works in racial terms, still that
> misses the most troubling thing. >Domination in its contemporary form is
> seductive, even for its victims.
>
>  .
>
> "Get Out" - like all Afro-Pessimism - is about the impossibility of
> reforming the cultures of domination. And so awakening is no seduction, but
> it does mean embracing the fall of Empire. Or that's how my sliver-of-self
> sees it. Horror as a call to counter-culture.
>
> As in many a great horror movie ending, Get Out leaves off with the
> dawning of the protagonist’s changed perceptions. The hardest work is about
> to begin--in this case not for a fictional character, but rather us, the
> viewers. It is a call to counter the culture, in deeds. Let's do that,
> shall we?
>

I thought that Brian's take on the movie was a bit overwrought and he
didn't relate his ideas to what is in it. But Dan's lucid and yet poetic
version compelled me to see Get Out and I did, today. I thoroughly enjoyed
it, It is a work of art in the noble line of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
There wasn't a moment when I was scared, so I don't think it qualifies as a
horror movie. Of course it was "totally about race", but it was a racial
version of a recognizable genre that did not pretend at all to be
realistic. I would call it a "satirical parable" and, like any good
parable, you can read into it whatever you like. It's impossible to miss
racist domination in the US, but the message hinges on what to do about it.

I was misled by the term "Afro-pessimism" which for means the idea that
external domination is inevitable and there is  nothing  the dominated can
do about it. Here I side with Dan. You can get out" if you use your
courage, persistence, smarts, will power and potential for violence. Chris
and Rod, each in their own way, exhibit these qualities and they do not
have to  be discovered in the future; they overt and latent in what they
already are. Moreover the black zombies can still temporarily break with
their passive persona, as when the toy boy is shocked by a camera flash and
urges Chris to get out while he can. I loved the revelation at the end that
the zombie gardener and housekeeper were grandpa and grandma whose house
the action takes place in.

I was reminded of the  anti-capitalist movements on the 1970s, going by
"underdevelopment", "dependency" and  "world systems" labels. You have to
GET OUT; there is  no plausible accommodation with western capitalism. To
which Fanon, in the first chapter of The Wretched of  the Earth, added that
violence is indispensable. Many white reaers and black activist saw that as
the only message in the book, but of course it wasn't, just as it wasn't in
this fine film.

Thanks for the ride, guys. I will be recommending it warmly.

Keith

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Nouvelle publication : "Souveraineté Technologique - Volume 2" FR EN ES

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Re: Speculative Intergalactic Network

[christineT]

I very much like the idea of a communication network expanded to aliens
(us included) and the question of imperialistic subordination of ones by
others. It would probably not be called internet, require a better
understanding and use of our "other senses and sensors".
Maybe it exists and we dumbs don't perceive it... or we don't know that
certain waves effects are signs of it... or we produce too much
electromagnetic pollution to be able to catch it, or...

Just fro the fun.
Do you know Italo Calvino's Cosmicomics. There is a tasty novel talking
precisely about intergalactic communication, that is worth reading.

For the first amateur radio satellite, they could call it Loretta Strong
( from Copi's theater play) or Walt Dangerfield (from  P. K. Dick's Dr
Bloodmoney). I think that should enable a better communication to/with
space, cause they are intergalactically known and explicit, nope ?

christine
"Spéculez, spéculez, il en sortira toujours quelque chose"

Le 11/01/2018 à 16:06, K E N O a écrit :
> Let’s assume (so called intelligent) aliens would exist. What do you think: 
> How would communication work with those aliens? How would it change the 
> Internet if we expanded it to different planets? I’ve been wondering if 
> hierarchical structures between the new lifeforms and us humans would occur – 
> like a new form of imperialism.
> 
... Furthermore the first amateur radio satellite will be sent to space
(https://www.amsat.org). Do you think this will enable astronomy and
communication to/with space for a broader audience?
> 
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Speculative Intergalactic Network

[K E N O]

Let’s assume (so called intelligent) aliens would exist. What do you think: How 
would communication work with those aliens? How would it change the Internet if 
we expanded it to different planets? I’ve been wondering if hierarchical 
structures between the new lifeforms and us humans would occur – like a new 
form of imperialism.

There are two interesting talks about Libre Space (https://libre.space) from 
Greece: “UPSat — the first open source satellite” 
(https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9182-upsat_-_the_first_open_source_satellite) and 
“SatNOGS: Crowd-sourced satellite operations” 
(https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9189-satnogs_crowd-sourced_satellite_operations). 
Furthermore the first amateur radio satellite will be sent to space 
(https://www.amsat.org). Do you think this will enable astronomy and 
communication to/with space for a broader audience?

K E N O
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Re: managerialism

[Richard Barbrook]

Hiya,

Thanks very much for your kind words. I'm pleased
that you liked my little book which is definitely one
of my favourite creations. 

This article will amuse you:
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2017/09/class-wargames-how-obscure-board-game-led-labours-gamification-power

Richard

===

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Dept of Politics and IR,
University of Westminster
32-38 Wells Street
LONDON W1T 3UW
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+44 (0)7879 441873

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http://www.gamesforthemany.org
http://www.cybersalon.org
http://www.classwargames.net
http://www.politicsandmediafreedom.net
http://www.imaginaryfutures.net
http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/other-works

'Clause 5: That as the laws ought to be equal, so 
they must be good, and not evidently destructive 
to the safety and well-being of the people.' 

The Levellers, The 1647 Agreement of the People 
for a Firm and  Present Peace Upon Grounds of 
Common Right.

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Re: managerialism

[Orsan]

This is a classical art piece Richard. I think it is one of the most important 
contributions, as your work in general, to a 21 cc. Bogdanovite call -for the 
creation of millions of Lenins (organizers) for the win. The need to turn 
everyone to managers, so that there is no one remaining to be managed by 
another, is at its peak today. Every one needs to learn about the history and 
logic of theatre, acting, role playing, poetry, rhetoric, art in general, as 
the basis of myths, religions, politics; foundation of the class war game, to 
end the game. Before the game end us. 



> On 10 Jan 2018, at 17:30, Richard Barbrook  
> wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> I traced the different versions of the intermediate
> class from Henri Saint-Simon's early-19th century
> Industrials  to Charlie Leadbeater and Paul Miller's
> 1990s Pro-Ams on page 28 onwards in 
> The Class of the New (OpenMute, London 2006).
> 
> You can download the pdf from the link at the top
> of this page.
> http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/other-works/
> 
> Richard
> 
> ===
> 
> Dr. Richard Barbrook
> Dept of Politics and IR,
> University of Westminster
> 32-38 Wells Street
> LONDON W1T 3UW
> England
> 
> +44 (0)7879 441873
> 
> Skype: richard.barbrook
> Facebook: Richard Barbrook
> Twitter: @richardbarbrook
> 
> http://www.gamesforthemany.org
> http://www.cybersalon.org
> http://www.classwargames.net
> http://www.politicsandmediafreedom.net
> http://www.imaginaryfutures.net
> http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/other-works
> 
> 'Clause 5: That as the laws ought to be equal, so 
> they must be good, and not evidently destructive 
> to the safety and well-being of the people.' 
> 
> The Levellers, The 1647 Agreement of the People 
> for a Firm andPresent Peace Upon Grounds of 
> Common Right.
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