point of view from a hospital for a brain surgery while cov19
Hi everyone again about cov19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrwsM5N3cs Things change, things stay the same: just like 7 years ago, I find myself in an hospital to have a brain surgery (all's fine this time, too) and just like 7 years ago it's super-important to reposition disease in our society, with all our strength and through all our capacity to be an example The Patient is never the only one diseased: it is the entire society, in solidarity among all. This is even more true in our hyperconnected world: in which we live and in which everything depends on everything else. This is the limit, tragedy, but also the great opportunty of our times: when data + computation are not a merely technical deal anymore, they assume an existential value for their characterstic of being our only credible way to experience complex, global, interconnected phenomena. This requires an enormous transformation: to our values, to our sense of solidarity, to how we perceive the ecosystem we live in. In one world: to our culture. Without an Ecosystemic Culture we will not make it: now it's cov19, then will be climate change and others, and things will be the same or worse. We need to start designing and building it together, now. Best wishes to you all salvatore iaconesi -- *Art is Open Source *- http://www.artisopensource.net *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - https://www.he-r.it/ *Ubiquitous Commons *- http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
> > 3-4% of each of these groups will die, so it will likely be a uniting > experience, a dismal failure of the identity politics, and therefore a > serious problem for powers that be. > > Unrelated, it's funny how coronavirus has the same effect at biological > and social levels: the damage to the body is mostly due to the > overreaction of the immune system, and the damage to the economy is due > to the overreaction of the society. Somehow the ruling class calculated > that it is worthwhile to decimate the economy to delay deaths by few > weeks or months (idiotic statements about the virus getting tired > notwithstanding.) If you think that social distancing policy is merely designed to âdelay deaths by few weeks or monthsâ you have never visited an emergency room. If you had, youâd understand that creating temporal distance between the numbers of people requiring immediate health care changes (dramatically) the number of people who will ultimately die (whether itâs viral infections or gun-shot wounds). An overwhelmed system creates a higher mortality rate. Iâm no health expert, but this seems like public health 101. Take care everyone. Ryan # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
> > â¦.selective culling of people >65 and those younger with > pre-existing medical conditions is going cause very significant savings for > the retirement funds, so they might have factored that in. R u ok? What the hellâ¦..thatâs neither funny nor intelligent. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 02:19:33AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: > economy is due to the overreaction of the society. Somehow the ruling > class calculated that it is worthwhile to decimate the economy to delay > deaths by few weeks or months (idiotic statements about the virus getting > tired notwithstanding.) You're not just delaying deaths. You're reducing the overall mortality due to triaging if you're preventing oversubscription of the intensive care capacity from happening. The elites almost everywhere dropped the ball on this, so they failed to prevent the higher mortality and thus resulting disruption to the economy. On the other hand, selective culling of people >65 and those younger with pre-existing medical conditions is going cause very significant savings for the retirement funds, so they might have factored that in. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
Thanks Felix! I'd just started to compile a response which you've eclipsed with one that's far more eloquent! Coronavirus sends a powerful message about the importance of collective response. Neoliberal populists are struggling to avoid praising the value of collective action. They're also struggling with the evident value of transnational cooperation. Dialogue about masks seems to focus the political problem for the individualistic right. I've seen postings saying, "Masks don't protect you well - so they're useless!", entirely refusing to acknowledge the value of protecting other people from your own infection. I suggest that public responses across the world to the pandemic may be very interesting as a barometer of trust. The prevalence of panic buying and stockpiling measures the level of trust that a population has in its leadership. Less trusted leaders will tend to prompt more panic buying. Eric's musing about Coronavirus as Gaia's response to humanity may be located in language, or a conceptual framework that not everyone accepts - but it's hard to argue that viruses like Covid-19 aren't typical, natural phenomena that will tend to happen when interacting, interbreeding populations of a single species becomes huge. Just as an afterthought, perhaps (and I very much hope it is) Covid-19 will become a prompt for the traditional, socialist left to start getting to grips with complex systems. I have posted before that I believe the Green movement has already made this conceptual change, but traditional socialist parties haven't. Stay healthy Nettimers! James = # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
Out of an abundance of caution tabulate coronavirus infections and deaths daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, arithmetically, geometrically, locally, nationally, globally, compare to horrendous predecessor epidemics and pandemics, confess fear and rotely propound "courage is contagious," prowl news and social media to shriek, shame, blame, ridicule, aggregate medical data for peddling books, articles, speechs, fora strutting and tut-tuting, endorse and castigate nostrums for prevention and cure, design and invent topical posts, essays, performances, costumes and market advisories, deploy to photograph empty streets, shopping malls, stadia, airports, landmarks showing a solo human in a facemask, or a shot of a virus victim bundled in cocoon on a gurney or hospital bed entubulated to the maximum, or spraying and wiping crews, or political goofballs pretending to be gravely serious about how to cosmetically embalm illness of the stock market. Rage and praise Alex Jones and Hannity, Fauci, CDC, WHO, POTUS, order online and pig out, rue paid absence from numbing labor. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
On 12.03.20 09:21, sebast...@rolux.org wrote: > I have a couple of coronavirus questions. These are neither necessarily > mine, nor did they arise in anticipation of satisfying answers. > - What is the perspective on coronavirus seen from where you are? What > are the most interesting or surprising narratives that are emerging > in your neighborhoods or communities? For me, the most interesting perspectives are those that see here the potential for a collective shift in the political imagination, similar and in addition to, Fridays for Future. Simply by raising question to which markets and individualized competition (aka neo-liberalism) provide no answer. The individual fate and the collective fate are clearly not separable. Just because one is personally not ill does not mean that one is not quarantined. And, there is no use in being quarantined of the person bringing the food is so precarious that s/he has to work despite being ill (and bringing the virus right to the doorstep). And while Trump is generally entertaininģ for many, few are be willing to trust him on medical advice. This makes a very strong case for basic social services and keeping expertise within the public services. Also, it's a good occasion to think about the value of purely economic efficiency in global supply chains and the reliance of hyper-mobility for even the most basic stuff (like standard generic drugs). So, questions of resilience, coupling and de-coupling, of reducing complexity within the system. If it's possible to frame all these discussions, which have become politically much more prevalent now, within the context of an ecological transformation, the overall effect is quite positive. What it takes to translate this shift in collective awareness into political action is not clear, but for political action to become possible, shifts in collective consciousness need to occur first. And this is part of that, because it touches so many lifes such intimate levels. -- | || http://felix.openflows.com | | Open PGP | http://felix.openflows.com/pgp.txt | # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
Hello from se ossa side!* > The sudden reduction (actually the absence) of handshakes and embraces with > acquaintnces and friends feels very sad. The whole range of physical and > social > contact suddenly gone. But this serves to highlight the importance of these > small > acts of social solidarity. Will there be a spike in the birthrate when the > epidemic > subsides.? A mini-Co19 baby boom NOO it is awesome it is so great I am so happy. I donât like shaking pals hands or kissing them on the cheeks and hugs are the worst. Finally these days the needs of autistic ppl are being met. So do not DARE to call this sad. 8D It might be sad for you. Which I am sorry about. But it is sad for us autistic ppl every ânormalâ day on this planet when all you neurotypical hoomans always creep into our personal spaces with superficial smalltalk convos or big words that actually mean nothing. Note: upper case letters are not screaming but expressive and ironic. > On the comedic side the fact of telling yourself not to cough in confined > spaces like > trains or elevators in case you cause a minor panic has the weird effect of > actually > making you want to cough (is there a scientific name for this phenomenon..?) It dont matter so much anyway coz it stays in the air for about 3 hours. #wEallGoNnAdie Kind regards from Liz, Vienna Austria Case numbers 304 Deaths 1 Expected case number in 2 weeks: 10.000 Schools closed/closing Personal note: have had âcoldâ with cough for 2 weeks. must be some virus. * pls note the Austrian accent to this popular song https://youtu.be/HZX1MrMqwes # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
Question: I know that during epidemics and pandemics it is always the case that there is more men than women dying - but with coronavirus it is up to 80-90% male deaths. Is this scary for men 50+? I mean do you feel like targets? Cheers lizvlx Ps: as always, excuse my frankness. Pls add polite n nice words inn yr head so it all sounds nicer. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
Hi Sebastian, all, Good questions - though I have not much to say about the (‘radical’?) left. But the schizo-analysis question is interesting: > On 12 Mar 2020, at 09:21, sebast...@rolux.org wrote: > > - What is the perspective on coronavirus from the vantage point of > Schizoanalysis? Probably a lot of points could be made, a.o. about the way in which existential territories are compromised by the mental distortions of (over-)reactions to the viral spread. However, for me the most interesting issue that has emerged is to think this through transversally across the ecological registers that Guattari has identified all the way back in 1989, i.e. the material environment, the social relations, and the individual universes of reference (subjective experience). What is missing in the model that Guattari proposed in The Three Ecologies, in general, but even more pressing right now, is the fourth register of nonhuman experience. So we might ask, what does the COVID-19 emergence look and feel like from the perspective of the virus itself? How does it experience the hostility with which it was met upon its emanation into the existent? Some people have observed that maybe we should be humbled, as humans, to finally take the presence, the tendencies and the capacities of the nonhumans (including the viral nonhumans) seriously into account. Another fascinating suggestion was that with the virus spreading and human logistics disrupted the virus is able to do what the collective agency of the political elites and structures of governance have so far been totally unable to deliver: CO2 emissions have been cut dramatically and continue to fall - to such an extent that we may, collectively, on a planetary level, still be able to deliver on the promises of CO2 reduction pledged in the Paris Climate Agreement. If I wasn’t to sceptical by default I would almost be lead to wonder if this is Gaia responding to the human-induced planetary disequilibrium? all bests, Eric # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
On 12 Mar 2020, at 08:21, sebast...@rolux.org wrote: > > But also: > > - What is the perspective on coronavirus seen from where you are? What > are the most interesting or surprising narratives that are emerging > in your neighborhoods or communities? > > - Given that social media just adds another layer of unhealthy virality > to the current situation, what forms of communication and care are > being invented or rediscovered locally? The sudden reduction (actually the absence) of handshakes and embraces with acquaintnces and friends feels very sad. The whole range of physical and social contact suddenly gone. But this serves to highlight the importance of these small acts of social solidarity. Will there be a spike in the birthrate when the epidemic subsides.? A mini-Co19 baby boom On the comedic side the fact of telling yourself not to cough in confined spaces like trains or elevators in case you cause a minor panic has the weird effect of actually making you want to cough (is there a scientific name for this phenomenon..?) # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
3-4% of each of these groups will die, so it will likely be a uniting experience, a dismal failure of the identity politics, and therefore a serious problem for powers that be. Unrelated, it's funny how coronavirus has the same effect at biological and social levels: the damage to the body is mostly due to the overreaction of the immune system, and the damage to the economy is due to the overreaction of the society. Somehow the ruling class calculated that it is worthwhile to decimate the economy to delay deaths by few weeks or months (idiotic statements about the virus getting tired notwithstanding.) # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: coronavirus questions
YES - was just thinking along some of these lines... Without being able to come up with good contributions quickly to the main set of questions, I focus on 'But also' set: Locally voices are mostly ranging between media hype followers and cynical comments of media...luckily majority in Croatia is still closer to the center than in these extremes. More specifically in professionalized civil sector (that I am kind of surrounded with here) it is frustration with upcoming extra admin work toward bureaucratic apparatus of funders that need constant updates and control over how funds are (not) spent... There might be also some extra level of coordination in civil-society-organizations of similar scale needed to overcome these and other issues very soon, so maybe it is solidarity in 'care over admin work'. As for discovering of new it is too early, but there is evidence of rediscovering in email (likely FB avoidance) and conferencing tools (seeing limitations of 1:1 in FB). I expect these tools to become central to compensating for hyper-production of conferences, maybe revising what is really urgent and necessary, rather than a pro-forma/bulshit-event. In short: "think globally, act locally" transforms into 'ignore global, think trans-local, act glocally' - no? Best Z # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Statement From Chelsea Manning's Legal Team?
Statement From Chelsea Manning’s Legal Team: Ms. Manning is Recovering in Hospital, Scheduled to Appear in Court Friday https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2020/03/statement-from-chelsea-mannings-legal-team-ms-manning-is-recovering-in-hospital-scheduled-to-appear-in-court-friday/ Alexandria, VA — On Wednesday, March 11, 2020, Chelsea Manning attempted to take her own life. She was taken to a hospital and is currently recovering. Ms. Manning is still scheduled to appear on Friday for a previously-calendared hearing, at which Judge Anthony Trenga will rule on a motion to terminate the civil contempt sanctions stemming from her May, 2019 refusal to give testimony before a grand jury investigating the publication of her 2010 disclosures. In spite of those sanctions — which have so far included over a year of so-called “coercive” incarceration and nearly half a million dollars in threatened fines — she remains unwavering in her refusal to participate in a secret grand jury process that she sees as highly susceptible to abuse. Ms. Manning has previously indicated that she will not betray her principles, even at risk of grave harm to herself. Writing in a 2019 letter to Judge Trenga, Ms. Manning said: “I object to this grand jury … as an effort to frighten journalists and publishers, who serve a crucial public good. I have had these values since I was a child, and I’ve had years of confinement to reflect on them. For much of that time, I depended for survival on my values, my decisions, and my conscience. I will not abandon them now.” Her actions today evidence the strength of her convictions, as well as the profound harm she continues to suffer as a result of her ‘civil’ confinement — a coercive practice that the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer, recently said violates international law. Prior to her current incarceration, Ms. Manning served seven years in a military prison under unusually difficult conditions, including eleven months of solitary confinement. For more information about Chelsea’s ongoing legal situation visit: https://ReleaseChelsea.com Read Chelsea’s letter to Judge Anthony Trenga HERE Read more about the UN Rapporteur on Torture’s letter calling for her release HERE Those interested can send letters and words of encouragement to Chelsea at the following mailing address: Chelsea Elizabeth Manning A0181426 William G. Truesdale Adult Detention Center 2001 Mill Road Alexandria, VA 22314 # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
coronavirus questions
I have a couple of coronavirus questions. These are neither necessarily mine, nor did they arise in anticipation of satisfying answers. - What is the perspective on coronavirus from the vantage point of the Radical (minoritarian) Left? (This is a very different question from: What is the opinion about coronavirus among progressives?, and totally different from: What is my opinion about the Left?) - What is the perspective on coronavirus from the vantage point of Schizoanalysis? - What is the perspective on coronavirus from the vantage point of the Nouvelle Vague? But also: - What is the perspective on coronavirus seen from where you are? What are the most interesting or surprising narratives that are emerging in your neighborhoods or communities? - Given that social media just adds another layer of unhealthy virality to the current situation, what forms of communication and care are being invented or rediscovered locally? # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
