Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
- Original Message - From: Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format? On Sunday 21 April 2002 07:19 pm, Lee wrote: On Sunday 21 April 2002 06:28 pm, you wrote: On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 09:27, Randy Kramer wrote: Michael wrote: I thought double spacing was outdated anyway in modern business communications. Still personal preferences are what life thrives on. Hmm, I'm on the old side, but I never saw any reference to double spacing being outdated except in Internet / HTML / computer related discussions -- it makes me suspect that somebody decided putting two spaces after the punctuation ending a sentence would be too difficult for a computer to deal with (or didn't even know it was the established practise) and simply ignored it. (KISS?) I agree with your suspicions Randy; with the qualification that perhaps it had a little more to do with people than computers. That suspicion sort of destroys my faith in computers / programmers. (Well, it might have been destroyed before then ;-) (sorry, not intended to sound like a rant) (Two spaces are still used in all the business correspondence I send and receive.) I've also been using two space sentence endings in all my emails, correspondence, business letters, reports, etc etc for years because it is the correct method, and I've never had a problem with rivers of white. I note that most other recent books that I have here on the shelves also have the correct sentence end spacing also; including Kernigan and Ritchie's The C Programming Language. This two space controversy sounds much like what I've heard this before; newer is good, old is bad. Only the new concepts should exist, and are not compatible with the stuff that evolved from the past; GUI's are more advanced than CLI's; music of this generation is better than the last generation's crap, blah blah blah ad infinitim. For me, some sentence separation is easier to read as opposed to run-on sentences. Randy Kramer LX Something else to consider. When a letter crosses my desk, my first urge before reading is to throw it away. Traditional appearance could well make the difference. Us old timers are comfortable with 2 spaces. Then there are days when everything goes in the round file. After all, if it's really important, they'll try again. Lee Lee: Guess I'm not the only cranky old bastard on the list :^). Reading through these posts, I had a flashback to a print shop class in junior high where we learned the basics of setting type by hand. I have a vague recollection that en spaces where used between words and em spaces between sentences. Then, at the end of the line, thinner spaces were inserted at various points in the line in order to justify the type. This was for not just esthetics, but for a very practical reason, as well: If the type was not properly justified it would fall out of the stick or, worse yet, fall apart in the press. For those who have no idea what an em and en are, an em is a space whose width is equivalent to the height of the type, and an en is half the width of an em. -- cmg I had the same class in Junior High (middle school was a grassy area called the quad). We made business cards, it was messy fun. JRD/ms Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] (in desperation, I repost) 52MB limit
Hello List, I have an Mitsubishi Amity CN notebook, Pentium 133MHz 48MB RAM (which is it's maximum capacity), with a 1.5GB hard drive with which I'd like to dual boot Win98 and Linux-Mandrake 8.2. I can connect to the Internet and LAN via a Netgear FA411 PCMCIA NIC under Win9x. I have set aside 128MB for swap space and 550MB for / (I am not interested in trying to run X on this little thing). I'd like to do a network install. I can mount the CD in another box and make a network connection to it but I get an error message stating that 52MB RAM is needed. The drakx README might be saying I could use a ramdisk but I don't know what that is or how to set one up. I've included some of the README below. Maybe you can help me. Thanks, Jon * PCMCIA install *** If the media you use to install is a pcmcia device, use the pcmcia boot disk. * Ramdisk or not *** The DrakX install is much bigger than the newt one. So the ramdisk which was used is getting big, and costs a lot in memory (eg: the mdkinst_stage2 is 14MB - 23/09/99) (update! now size is 21MB - 24/01/01) | | newt| DrakX |---+-+- - | nfs | live| live | ftp | ramdisk | ramdisk | http | ramdisk | ramdisk | hd| ramdisk | live if Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/bin/runinstall2 is a link, | | | ramdisk otherwise | cdrom | ramdisk | live if memory 52MB, ramdisk otherwise Where ramdisk is needed, if detected memory is below the limit allowed for ramdisk (maintained in file gi/mdk-stage1/config-stage1.h; currently 52 Mb), a failure dialog will be printed explaining that there is not enough memory to perform the installation. When i say live, it means that the stage1 will *mount* the Mandrake/mdkinst and use it that way. The ramdisk is used in place of the live in some cases. This ramdisk is filled with mdkinst_stage2.gz For cdrom install, the ramdisk is used to speed up things (access time is quite high on cdrom drives) For pcmcia, it depends on the type of install. * Thanks, Jon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Install on laptop no cdrom, 48MB RAM Net install error 52MB RAM needed
Hello List, I have an Mitsubishi Amity CN notebook, Pentium 133MHz 48MB RAM (which is it's maximum capacity), with a 1.5GB hard drive with which I'd like to dual boot Win98 and Linux-Mandrake 8.2. I can connect to the Internet and LAN via a Netgear FA411 PCMCIA NIC under Win9x. I have set aside 128MB for swap space and 550MB for / (I am not interested in trying to run X on this little thing). I'd like to do a network install. I can mount the CD in another box and make a network connection to it but I get an error message stating that 52MB RAM is needed. The drakx README might be saying I could use a ramdisk but I don't know what that is or how to set one up. I've included some of the README below. Maybe you can help me. Thanks, Jon * PCMCIA install *** If the media you use to install is a pcmcia device, use the pcmcia boot disk. * Ramdisk or not *** The DrakX install is much bigger than the newt one. So the ramdisk which was used is getting big, and costs a lot in memory (eg: the mdkinst_stage2 is 14MB - 23/09/99) (update! now size is 21MB - 24/01/01) | | newt| DrakX |---+-+- - | nfs | live| live | ftp | ramdisk | ramdisk | http | ramdisk | ramdisk | hd| ramdisk | live if Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/bin/runinstall2 is a link, | | | ramdisk otherwise | cdrom | ramdisk | live if memory 52MB, ramdisk otherwise Where ramdisk is needed, if detected memory is below the limit allowed for ramdisk (maintained in file gi/mdk-stage1/config-stage1.h; currently 52 Mb), a failure dialog will be printed explaining that there is not enough memory to perform the installation. When i say live, it means that the stage1 will *mount* the Mandrake/mdkinst and use it that way. The ramdisk is used in place of the live in some cases. This ramdisk is filled with mdkinst_stage2.gz For cdrom install, the ramdisk is used to speed up things (access time is quite high on cdrom drives) For pcmcia, it depends on the type of install. -- Jon Dowd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support Technician 482-TECH (8324) or, 1-800 419-4804 InfoStructure IVO http://www.mind.net - 8am-11pm M-F, 10am-7pm SS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] in runlevel 3 - screen goes blank after a time
Hello list, While I am running in runlevel 3 (not X) the display or screen will go blank after a while of inactivity. What file should I edit to stop the screen blanking or whatever is causing the screen to go black. Again, that's in init 3. The only things I can find on the subject talk about changing the value for xset in xinitrc. Thanks, Jon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HardSoftWare
Dear Andrew, Be cautious regarding the limitations of the motherboard. There is the possibility the board will only take 128MB ram for instance or the BIOS on the board will limit the allowable size of the hard drive. Look on the internet for information and specifications for that particular model of motherboard. I run an Apache machine that hosts many virtual sites using only the software that was packaged with Mandrake-Linux 8.1 (Free downloaded iso files). I do this on a machine which has 96MB ram (72 pin simms) a few small hard drives and a Pentium 200. The fun part is the machine is *not* housed in a case. As you may know you can run a computer with all the components scattered about on a table... My web server is suspended from the ceiling as a breeze catching mobile ! Dangling and clanking... :-) Jon Dowd, www.jondowd.com - Original Message - From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: [newbie] HardSoftWare Hello, I have a P150 (Mboard from M Technology has 3-PCI 4-isa) and want to make a file server. At the moment it has 32 meg ram. The mother-board has ram four slots. I am not sure what the best way is to configure additional ram. Or how much to get, is there a point it is wasted? 512? 256? Once I get it set up I hope it will be long term. Now it has only a 20G ide HD. I hope to add two 40G or 60G HD's and a have a Promise hardware raid card. Any and all coments welcome. Andrew Mdrake 8.0 Have an extra nice Day!, Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.293 / Virus Database: 158 - Release Date: 10/29/2001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cable Modems, Linux and NICs
I am connected to the internet via a cable modem on the Ashland Fiber Network This little town has provided its citizens the most extraordinary opportunity. 3-5Mbs or T-3 equivilency (612MB iso file in 48 minutes!) for (eat your hearts out) $24.95 a month ! This network (like most cable systems) gives an IP via DHCP. So during the Mandrake-Linux installation my cheap NIC (RTL8139) was automatically detected and I followed the defaults for the network installation except I clicked on the star next to (bootp - dhcp) and that was all the configuring I needed to do. All the gateway, IP address, host name, DNS stuff was taken care of by the IPS using DHCP (my guess is that most of them do it the same). I was on line at the first boot and still am. If the installer will give you enough cat5 to reach from wherever he leaves the cable modem to your NIC, you can probably shoo him away and boot your computer and be online ! Jon Dowd - Original Message - From: Harry Ablejoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Cable Modems, Linux and NICs Hi Newbie I use cable modem with @ home cable you need a network card I would opt for 3 com pci card. You need to get the settings from installer Network address IP ADDRESS SUBNET MASK GATEWAY/ROUTER HOST: DNS/ NAME SERVER 1 DNS NAME SERVER 2 DOMAIN THIS WILL BE MAIL SERVER LM 8.1 WILL FIND YOUR NETWORK CARD AND YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MUCH TROUBLE SETTING UP YOUR NETWORK. Good Luck and sorry for the caps. Harry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.293 / Virus Database: 158 - Release Date: 10/29/2001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HOW-TO get off this list
Am I right... it's always the friggin' pious ones isn't it !? If * I * were to respond to anyone's query posted to a mailing list with the word "newbie" in it, I'd try to be helpful because I'd assume they would be new and could use some help. Nobody was born knowing how to use Majordomo lists... If you want to help, then help. If you want to be a big shot, beat it. (btw, kom*@*.net my Registered Linux User number is lower than yours. Naner, naner. Naner.) - Original Message - From: "KompuKit" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] HOW-TO get off this list they are just angry...because THE TRUTH HURTS they will calm down...after they really think about it. Ed Tharp wrote: let's not start banning people.. I might be next... - Original Message - From: "Miark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] HOW-TO get off this list Hans! That is an excellent idea! I'm gonna do that immediately, too. Which brings up a question: is there some way to ban people Miark - Original Message - From: "Hans N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] HOW-TO get off this list Everything you say is so annoying and disrespectful, I'm going to filter you to my trash. Have a great day. Sincerely and respectfully, Hans N. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of KompuKit Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:38 PM To: Linux-Mandrake Subject: [newbie] HOW-TO get off this list GO BACK to where you joined this list... THERE, you'll also find (if you'll ONLY read) a way to get off the list. OF COURSE, " IF " you can READ -- Registered Linux User: 167369 = http://www.kompukit.com = [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ# 7110071 Personal WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org WebDesigner: http://www.kompukit.com/kitdesigns (Personal Server runs: M-F= 7pm-12am S+S=12pm-12am) (US EST) -- Registered Linux User: 167369 = http://www.kompukit.com = [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ# 7110071 Personal WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org WebDesigner: http://www.kompukit.com/kitdesigns (Personal Server runs: M-F= 7pm-12am S+S=12pm-12am) (US EST) user #76891 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/2001
[newbie] hdd: packet command error
I'm trying to use an older CD-ROM drive, but am getting error messages at
startup. I have a dual boot machine and the CD-ROM drive works ok under
Windows. I have included the output of dmesg.
Thanks, Jon Dowd
Linux version 2.2.17-21mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.3
19991030 (prerelease)) #1 Thu Oct 5 13:16:08 CEST 2000
Detected 501134 kHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 999.42 BogoMIPS
Memory: 127668k/131072k available (1136k kernel code, 416k reserved, 1724k
data, 128k init, 0k bigmem)
Dentry hash table entries: 16384 (order 5, 128k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 131072 (order 7, 512k)
Page cache hash table entries: 32768 (order 5, 128k)
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized
CPU: L1 I Cache: 32K L1 D Cache: 32K
CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor stepping 0c
Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb490, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 131072 bhash 65536)
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd v 1.5
Detected PS/2 Mouse Port.
Serial driver version 4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.13)
Real Time Clock Driver v1.09
RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.30
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
ALI15X3: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 78
ALI15X3: chipset revision 194
ALI15X3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2800-0x2807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x2808-0x280f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: ST310212A, ATA DISK drive
hdc: ST34340A, ATA DISK drive
hdd: FX400D, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: ST310212A, 9768MB w/512kB Cache, CHS=1245/255/63, UDMA(33)
hdc: ST34340A, 4103MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=8894/15/63, DMA
hdd: lost interrupt
hdd: packet command error: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest
Error }
hdd: packet command error: error=0x04
hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hdd: drive not ready for command
ATAPI device hdd:
Error: No sense data -- (Sense key=0x00)
No additional sense information -- (asc=0x00, ascq=0x00)
The failed "Mode Sense 10" packet command was:
"5a 00 2a 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 "
hdd: lost interrupt
hdd: packet command error: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest
Error }
hdd: packet command error: error=0x04
hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hdd: drive not ready for command
hdd: lost interrupt
ATAPI device hdd:
Unknown Error Type: No sense data -- (Sense key=0x00)
No additional sense information -- (asc=0x00, ascq=0x00)
The failed "Mode Sense 10" packet command was:
"5a 00 2a 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 "
hdd: request sense failure: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest
Error }
hdd: request sense failure: error=0x04
hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hdd: drive not ready for command
hdd: lost interrupt
hdd: packet command error: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest
Error }
hdd: packet command error: error=0x04
hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hdd: drive not ready for command
hdd: lost interrupt
ATAPI device hdd:
Unknown Error Type: No sense data -- (Sense key=0x00)
No additional sense information -- (asc=0x00, ascq=0x00)
The failed "Mode Sense 10" packet command was:
"5a 00 2a 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 "
hdd: request sense failure: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest
Error }
hdd: request sense failure: error=0x04
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.2M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MAX_REAL=12
raid5: measuring checksumming speed
raid5: MMX detected, trying high-speed MMX checksum routines
pII_mmx : 1053.846 MB/sec
p5_mmx: 993.648 MB/sec
8regs : 709.041 MB/sec
32regs: 456.438 MB/sec
using fastest function: pII_mmx (1053.846 MB/sec)
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
md.c: sizeof(mdp_super_t) = 4096
Partition check:
hda: hda1 hda2 hda5 hda3 hda4
hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady See
[newbie] windows partition read only file system ?
Hello, (newbie right?) I'm trying to delete some files in my windows partition (fat16) from an terminal logged in as SU and I get an error message that /mnt/hda1 is a read-only file system. I have tried to chmod the file system but am not sure if this is what I need to do nor the syntax. I have tried chmod 761 /mnt/hda1 Can you help me? Thanks, Jon Dowd
Re: [newbie] Singular email Batman!!
On Thursday 28 December 2000 21:47, you wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Romanator wrote: Wow, Is every one getting 6 copies of each email?! Yup. Paul Uh... no, I'm only getting one... jrd
[newbie] blank screen
When I return from lunch - instead of the screesaver I selected to run under xlock, I have a blank screen. I have tried "xset -s off" from a command line and added thad command to /etc/rc.d/rc.local (as suggested by a RedHat user). I am running Mandrake 7.2 and Windowmaker 0.62. If I run MS Windows from another partition on the same computer, the screen will not go blank (so I don't think it's a BIOS setting). How can I make this stop happening - or - can I create a log file that will let me know what is causing the screen to go blank ? Thanks -- Jon Dowd
[newbie] Display goes blank
Hello, Where do I configure the display to not go blank. BIOS power management settings are set to "OFF" but within an hour of xlock, the screensave has turned balnk. -- Jon Dowd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support Technician 541 482-TECH (8324) InfoStructure IVO http://www.mind.net
Re: [newbie] XScreenSaver
On Saturday 11 November 2000 20:56, patrick wrote: are u seious they took xscreensaver out of their linux. oh oh did mandrake get some new help as of late. did mandrake hire some wrong people. Um... I have Mandrake 7.2 and I just typed "xscreensaver" in a teminal and it worked just fine. I don't believe "they took xscreensaver out of their linux". -- Jon Dowd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support Technician 541 482-TECH (8324) InfoStructure IVO http://www.mind.net
Re: [newbie] Do you have Linux installed on separate partition or drive?
On Saturday 11 November 2000 16:32, Romanator wrote: snip Is there a Linux boot loader that will acknowledge the second drive? Hello Roman, The boot loader that comes with Mandrake 7.2 is by far the best I've used. I have 3 operating systems on this computer and at boot time I can choose which one I want to start. I have tried Partition Magic, System Commander, Red Hat's version of LILO and launching Linux from DOS with loadlin. Not only will the boot loader that comes with Mandrake 7.2 acknowledge the second drive, it will (if needed) treat that second drive as though it is "Drive C:" On this computer I have WIndows ME, Mandrake 7.2 and MS-DOS 6.22. I can start any one of those three at boot time. -- Jon Dowd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support Technician 541 482-TECH (8324) InfoStructure IVO http://www.mind.net
Re: [newbie] Do you have Linux installed on separate partition or drive?
On Saturday 11 November 2000 18:29, patrick wrote: sorry i dont know how to start a new thread but does mandrrake 7.2 have kde 2.0 and koffice and kernal 2.4 or not. Without mentioning shame... I'll say yes, yes and no. Jon Dowd
[newbie] install from a hard drive
Hello, Could you point me to information regarding installing from a hard drive? Can I ftp the files I will need to install Mandrake (btw... what files and what version) onto a hard drive and install from that hard drive rather than buying a CD? Should the files be copied on to a fat file system or ext2? Should the install files be on the same hard drive as the destination hard drive or on another one? Thanks, Jon Dowd
[newbie] ISO image file
Hello, Can the 600mb ISO image file be used for an install directly from the hard drive it is downloaded onto without being written to a CD? Is there some information available how to do this ? Thanks, Jon Dowd
