Re: Fw: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
Yup. you found both the settings that can make you send HTML email in OutLook Express. It's a shame that the Redmond boys don't set up the defaults for good net ettiquet. But then the Netscape guys don't do it either. Go figgure. As far as the Donnie issue, at least from where I sat, it looked like most of the flaming was in responce to his reaction to being told to turn off the HTML. But I hope it's over, such a terrible wast of time and bandwidth ( I had something to say on the subject as well as others ). Ernie On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Simon Norris wrote: Not to worry, I found my problem. FYI, there is an option in Outlook, 'reply to messages in the format in which they were sent' , which when checked, inherits the original poster's format. Selecting the plain text option is not enough. The post I was replying to was HTML without my knowledge. - Original Message - From: Simon Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML Just a quick query, not really suited to this group, but necessary just the same. I have been using Outlook for some time now, and have had no problems sending plain text. Unfortunately, I have just sent a post to this group, and got a courteous comment directly to me asking for me to drop my HTML. All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? The way I have Outlook is that there is no visible difference between plain text and HTML, so whenever I see someone ask for HTML to be dropped, I haven't got a clue whats going on!! I would like to add my assistance to this group, as they have given me lots of ideas for things to do and I'd like to give something back, however I have no intention of receiving a similar flurry of comments as Donny did, for sending HTML (Although he did give as good as he got!!). As far as the comments about filtering HTML, that would be useful for us poor sods stuck with Outlook, who don't even know whether they're sending plain text or HTML!! Thanks for your generous assistance. Simon - Original Message - From: Eric Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML Based on the number of "remove" requests posted to the list, the actual number of people who actually *READ* the welcome message is probably quite small. Thus, the chances of the "Nettiquette" tutorial having any effect is negligible. However, if it saved us ONE post in HTML, I suppose it'd be worth it, and it wouldn't be that much trouble, as it would automatically go out with the 'welcome' message... just create that "nettiquette" tutorial once and it would go out automatically from there. :-) John There is another solution if the list owner chose to implement it. Although I am relatively new to linux, I have run large volumn discussions lists for several years. We have implemented a filter on our lists that rejects all attempts to send attachements to the list, and ALSO _rejects_ all HTML formatted email. Works great! Put the guidlines in the welcome message and let them figure out themselves why none of their postings make it to the list if they choose to ignore the guidlines. If they contact the list manager about it, I tell them what the problem is and how to fix it. FWIW I would also recommend that whoever is running this list take a more visible and active approach in dealing with list problems so that members don't feel they need to fight out the issues on the list that should be delt with by the list manager. Regards, Eric Mings Ph.D.
RE: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
What version of Outlook are you using? I have Outlook 98 and that option is not present. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael R. Batchelor Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? Yes. Under tools options send There is a check box second from the bottom about replying in the format the sender used. Deselect the choice.
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
It's actually Outlook Express 5, the one that's attached to IE 5, rather than Office. - Original Message - From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML What version of Outlook are you using? I have Outlook 98 and that option is not present. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael R. Batchelor Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? Yes. Under tools options send There is a check box second from the bottom about replying in the format the sender used. Deselect the choice.
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
Ken Wilson wrote: What version of Outlook are you using? I have Outlook 98 and that option is not present. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael R. Batchelor Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? Yes. Under tools options send There is a check box second from the bottom about replying in the format the sender used. Deselect the choice. Kenthe conversation is actually about Outlook Express, not Outlook. Somebody must have dropped the Express part of Outlook Express in a reply. Alan
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, you wrote: There is another solution if the list owner chose to implement it. Although I am relatively new to linux, I have run large volumn discussions lists for several years. We have implemented a filter on our lists that rejects all attempts to send attachements to the list, and ALSO _rejects_ all HTML formatted email. Works great! Put the guidlines in the welcome message and let them figure out themselves why none of their postings make it to the list if they choose to ignore the guidlines. If they contact the list manager about it, I tell them what the problem is and how to fix it. FWIW I would also recommend that whoever is running this list take a more visible and active approach in dealing with list problems so that members don't feel they need to fight out the issues on the list that should be delt with by the list manager. HmmI wondered if there weren't an option like that. :-) John
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
Just a quick query, not really suited to this group, but necessary just the same. I have been using Outlook for some time now, and have had no problems sending plain text. Unfortunately, I have just sent a post to this group, and got a courteous comment directly to me asking for me to drop my HTML. All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? The way I have Outlook is that there is no visible difference between plain text and HTML, so whenever I see someone ask for HTML to be dropped, I haven't got a clue whats going on!! I would like to add my assistance to this group, as they have given me lots of ideas for things to do and I'd like to give something back, however I have no intention of receiving a similar flurry of comments as Donny did, for sending HTML (Although he did give as good as he got!!). As far as the comments about filtering HTML, that would be useful for us poor sods stuck with Outlook, who don't even know whether they're sending plain text or HTML!! Thanks for your generous assistance. Simon - Original Message - From: Eric Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML Based on the number of "remove" requests posted to the list, the actual number of people who actually *READ* the welcome message is probably quite small. Thus, the chances of the "Nettiquette" tutorial having any effect is negligible. However, if it saved us ONE post in HTML, I suppose it'd be worth it, and it wouldn't be that much trouble, as it would automatically go out with the 'welcome' message... just create that "nettiquette" tutorial once and it would go out automatically from there. :-) John There is another solution if the list owner chose to implement it. Although I am relatively new to linux, I have run large volumn discussions lists for several years. We have implemented a filter on our lists that rejects all attempts to send attachements to the list, and ALSO _rejects_ all HTML formatted email. Works great! Put the guidlines in the welcome message and let them figure out themselves why none of their postings make it to the list if they choose to ignore the guidlines. If they contact the list manager about it, I tell them what the problem is and how to fix it. FWIW I would also recommend that whoever is running this list take a more visible and active approach in dealing with list problems so that members don't feel they need to fight out the issues on the list that should be delt with by the list manager. Regards, Eric Mings Ph.D.
Fw: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
Not to worry, I found my problem. FYI, there is an option in Outlook, 'reply to messages in the format in which they were sent' , which when checked, inherits the original poster's format. Selecting the plain text option is not enough. The post I was replying to was HTML without my knowledge. - Original Message - From: Simon Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML Just a quick query, not really suited to this group, but necessary just the same. I have been using Outlook for some time now, and have had no problems sending plain text. Unfortunately, I have just sent a post to this group, and got a courteous comment directly to me asking for me to drop my HTML. All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? The way I have Outlook is that there is no visible difference between plain text and HTML, so whenever I see someone ask for HTML to be dropped, I haven't got a clue whats going on!! I would like to add my assistance to this group, as they have given me lots of ideas for things to do and I'd like to give something back, however I have no intention of receiving a similar flurry of comments as Donny did, for sending HTML (Although he did give as good as he got!!). As far as the comments about filtering HTML, that would be useful for us poor sods stuck with Outlook, who don't even know whether they're sending plain text or HTML!! Thanks for your generous assistance. Simon - Original Message - From: Eric Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML Based on the number of "remove" requests posted to the list, the actual number of people who actually *READ* the welcome message is probably quite small. Thus, the chances of the "Nettiquette" tutorial having any effect is negligible. However, if it saved us ONE post in HTML, I suppose it'd be worth it, and it wouldn't be that much trouble, as it would automatically go out with the 'welcome' message... just create that "nettiquette" tutorial once and it would go out automatically from there. :-) John There is another solution if the list owner chose to implement it. Although I am relatively new to linux, I have run large volumn discussions lists for several years. We have implemented a filter on our lists that rejects all attempts to send attachements to the list, and ALSO _rejects_ all HTML formatted email. Works great! Put the guidlines in the welcome message and let them figure out themselves why none of their postings make it to the list if they choose to ignore the guidlines. If they contact the list manager about it, I tell them what the problem is and how to fix it. FWIW I would also recommend that whoever is running this list take a more visible and active approach in dealing with list problems so that members don't feel they need to fight out the issues on the list that should be delt with by the list manager. Regards, Eric Mings Ph.D.
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it inherit the format from the post I am replying to? Yes. Under tools options send There is a check box second from the bottom about replying in the format the sender used. Deselect the choice. MB
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, you wrote: I think it would be useful if the information on decorum for this list were placed in the majordomo welcome, along with a short tutorial on how to turn off HTML for those who don't realize it. I know how to do it for Netscape, but I am among the unwashed masses who have NEVER used Microsoft Outlook. Based on the number of "remove" requests posted to the list, the actual number of people who actually *READ* the welcome message is probably quite small. Thus, the chances of the "Nettiquette" tutorial having any effect is negligible. However, if it saved us ONE post in HTML, I suppose it'd be worth it, and it wouldn't be that much trouble, as it would automatically go out with the 'welcome' message... just create that "nettiquette" tutorial once and it would go out automatically from there. :-) John
RE: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
There was talk some time ago for a FAQ for this group. It was a good idea but seemed to have faded. I would like to see one similar to what some newsgroups use and maybe have it posted automatically to the list every two weeks or so. Those who know what it is could ignore it from the subject heading and others could read it. If we did a good job we might be able to get the fine people at Mandrake to include it on their website along with the stuff about joining this mail list. It could cover netiquette as it applies to this list plus also have a list of websites with solutions and information about some of the more common problems that keep repeating themselves over and over on here, i.e. Why won't my Winmodem work?, Why do I get the partition was not unmounted cleanly (needs kernel/script upgrade), etc. Oh, and how to get off the list. :-) Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Aldrich Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 7:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, you wrote: I think it would be useful if the information on decorum for this list were placed in the majordomo welcome, along with a short tutorial on how to turn off HTML for those who don't realize it. I know how to do it for Netscape, but I am among the unwashed masses who have NEVER used Microsoft Outlook. Based on the number of "remove" requests posted to the list, the actual number of people who actually *READ* the welcome message is probably quite small. Thus, the chances of the "Nettiquette" tutorial having any effect is negligible. However, if it saved us ONE post in HTML, I suppose it'd be worth it, and it wouldn't be that much trouble, as it would automatically go out with the 'welcome' message... just create that "nettiquette" tutorial once and it would go out automatically from there. :-) John
