Re: [newbie] AMD system question
- Original Message - From: Jose M. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 3:01 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] AMD system question |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir |Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:17 PM |To: NewbieMandrake-List |Subject: RE: [newbie] AMD system question | | |I say to P4 advocates, ignore |the smoke and mirrors and look at the man behind the curtain; |click your heels together three times and go home to Athlon. | I've been to OZ thank you. The AMD's wicked witch drove me back to P4's. What am I talking about? Surely not the wondrous AMD processor itself? No. It's a fine beasty in and of itself, primarily due to it's cache. Sadly the support chip manufacturers (Via, Ali, etc.) have a serious uphill learning curve to overcome. So if you want to say use 3D Gaming glasses, TV cards, many peripherals, the AMD's are problematic thanks to these people. Huh? You grunt. What does this fool pretend to know? The clock timer problem with motherboards using Via, Ali, etc. causes both DMA and video problems. (Linux complains about it if you enable debugging in the logs). TV cards will not work as they must perform DMA push transfers, which are upset by the clock timer bug. This same sporadic timing causes flashing when using 3D glasses and NVIDIA's wonderful drivers. Both problems go away when the same hardware is transferred to P4/Intel boards. Low latency audio cards are also affected, as are WinModems (heh, heh, heh... Winmodems are EVIL!) Similarly Creative and other manufacturers have also had to issue workarounds for identical problems. Professional level audio software producers (such as Native Instruments, etc.) also caution users to stay away from the AMD processors for the same reasons. Too bad, because this is really NOT AMD's fault. (Though I'd like to see AMD mimic Intel's thermal protection circuitry, which is sadly lacking on their CPU's.). I clicked my heels together and awoke back in Intel Land, sigh. Though I'm still rooting for AMD, things are still not ready for prime time. My $.02, and worth every penny! -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] AMD system question
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir |Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:17 PM |To: NewbieMandrake-List |Subject: RE: [newbie] AMD system question | | |I say to P4 advocates, ignore |the smoke and mirrors and look at the man behind the curtain; |click your heels together three times and go home to Athlon. | I've been to OZ thank you. The AMD's wicked witch drove me back to P4's. What am I talking about? Surely not the wondrous AMD processor itself? No. It's a fine beasty in and of itself, primarily due to it's cache. Sadly the support chip manufacturers (Via, Ali, etc.) have a serious uphill learning curve to overcome. So if you want to say use 3D Gaming glasses, TV cards, many peripherals, the AMD's are problematic thanks to these people. Huh? You grunt. What does this fool pretend to know? The clock timer problem with motherboards using Via, Ali, etc. causes both DMA and video problems. (Linux complains about it if you enable debugging in the logs). TV cards will not work as they must perform DMA push transfers, which are upset by the clock timer bug. This same sporadic timing causes flashing when using 3D glasses and NVIDIA's wonderful drivers. Both problems go away when the same hardware is transferred to P4/Intel boards. Low latency audio cards are also affected, as are WinModems (heh, heh, heh... Winmodems are EVIL!) Similarly Creative and other manufacturers have also had to issue workarounds for identical problems. Professional level audio software producers (such as Native Instruments, etc.) also caution users to stay away from the AMD processors for the same reasons. Too bad, because this is really NOT AMD's fault. (Though I'd like to see AMD mimic Intel's thermal protection circuitry, which is sadly lacking on their CPU's.). I clicked my heels together and awoke back in Intel Land, sigh. Though I'm still rooting for AMD, things are still not ready for prime time. My $.02, and worth every penny! -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] AMD system question
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 05:10, Baka Attila Tamás wrote: Dear Tony, Thank you for your answer. I'm glad to hear you had no problems. Still I'd like to know if anyone used the motherboard I described BAT First: Never, ever buy a motherboard without researching motherboards on the net. I never buy a mobo that is not in a roundup review. Mobos are not like saltine crackers; you need to research before you buy. It's the single most important investment you will make in your box. There are several salient hardware sites to consider when you are looking for mainboard information. Some are amateurs, some are more professional. Be careful who you listen to; watch how they write; if it's bad writing, chances are the review will be amateurish and probably means that you are on a thumbsucker site. Absolutely ignore individual mainboard reviews; they are completely useless unless you are just interested in specific mainboard info AFTER having decided on a mainboard from a roundup review. I've been tracking mobos for a while and unfortunately I've never seen your particular brandname (FastFame8VTAA). As I said before, my rule of thumb is that if I can't get a mainboard to appear in a ROUNDUP (a roundup is a comparison of a group of mobos to each other) review of a particular mainboard, I don't even look at it. It's not worth the risk. Roundup reviews are rare. It's hard to find sites that have them. It's even harder to find *good* roundup reviews. There's a good reason for this, and it's money. It's extremely tough, time consuming, and costly to bring together that much hardware at one time without the help of the manufacturers, or a bank account set aside for that reason. That's why you will find sites like Sharkyextreme (which used to be a good site) crawling with useless single mobo reviews. If a veteran site like Sharky finds it difficult to support roundup reviews, you can bet startup sites just find it VERY tough to support decent roundup reviews. Some veteran sites found that they could not compete with the thorough, complete, and more professional evaluations by Tomshardware. Anandtech is another veteran site that attempts a thorough treatment of roundup reviews, keeping pace with Dr Tom as best they can. A good example of this is a recent roundup review of athlon mainboards based on the via kt266a: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1578p=22 For another thorough treatment of the latest KT266A based Athlon mobos is on Tomshardware at this URL: http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q4/011126/index.html One last item. Your first consideration with regard to benchmarks should be OpenGl benches; i.e., Quake 3 Arena benches. The reason is that no matter what your final purpose for the machine, there is nothing that shows the intrinsic value and power of the fpu, memory, and mainboard subsystems like a 3d world simulation test. The power of the CPU/mobo/memory team becomes rapidly and starkly apparent. With these tests, it is easy to see that the Athlon cpus have much more value per megahertz than the Pentium 4 cpus. The pentium 4's had a bunch of error handling and pipelining circuitry lobotomized out of their cores so that they could be OC's up to the 2.4 gigahertz levels they are currently at. You've made a good choice with your cpu decision, even if you were a bit hasty with the mobo. I say to P4 advocates, ignore the smoke and mirrors and look at the man behind the curtain; click your heels together three times and go home to Athlon. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AMD system question
Hi there Over the years I've had AMD CPUs from 386 to Athlon and never had any prolems with any OS or hardware caused by the fact I was running AMD. For me there is only one CPU of choice, AMD everytime. Stewart On Thursday 18 Apr 2002 09:05 am, you wrote: Hi Everyone! I'm planning to change my hardware from intel to AMD and I'd like to know your experiences. I've seen an AMD system crash because of motherboard problems and I do not want any problems (AND I do not want to use M$) The configuration I chose is: Motherboard: FastFame8VTAA(VIAKT133A,3SD,UDMA100,AGP4x,AC97Sound,ATX) CPU: AMD K7 ThunderBird 950MHz SocketA RAM: 256 MB SD RAM 133MHz I think it should work fine. Does anyone know about the Motherboard? Also: With an AMD system, which rpm packages should I use? i386, i586, i686 (I guess not) and even if they are not optimised, will they work? Thanx, BAT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 2002. 03. 06. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] AMD system question
Yes AMD's work fine... Though it's too bad about the problems bugs with all of the support chipsets... E.G. Via, AliMagik, etc. This is not AMD's fault though. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stewart Taylor |Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:19 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] AMD system question | | |Hi there | |Over the years I've had AMD CPUs from 386 to Athlon and never |had any prolems |with any OS or hardware caused by the fact I was running AMD. |For me there is |only one CPU of choice, AMD everytime. | |Stewart | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AMD system question
On Thursday 18 April 2002 04:05 am, Baka Attila Tams wrote: Hi Everyone! I'm planning to change my hardware from intel to AMD and I'd like to know your experiences. I've seen an AMD system crash because of motherboard problems and I do not want any problems (AND I do not want to use M$) The configuration I chose is: Motherboard: FastFame8VTAA(VIAKT133A,3SD,UDMA100,AGP4x,AC97Sound,ATX) CPU: AMD K7 ThunderBird 950MHz SocketA RAM: 256 MB SD RAM 133MHz I think it should work fine. Does anyone know about the Motherboard? Also: With an AMD system, which rpm packages should I use? i386, i586, i686 (I guess not) and even if they are not optimised, will they work? Thanx, BAT BAT: There was a poll several months ago at the Mandrake Forum to determine which processors Mandrakers were using. Over 4200 persons responded; over 62 per cent used AMD processors. You can see the detailed results here: http://www.mandrakeforum.com/pollBooth.php?op=resultspollID=21mode=order=thold= FWIW, the last time that I used an Intel CPU at home was back in 386 days. At work, though, it's been Intel. About the only difference that I ever noted was running AutoCAD, where the Intels did do a better job with floating point computations that was only apparent when doing solid model displays. That difference may have disappeared with the latest Athlon CPUs. The Thunderbird can run any level code from 386 on up -- no problem. According to what I've read on this list, there isn't much advantage to using the 686 compiles. Sorry, but I am not familiar with the motherboard you mention. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AMD system question
I've been running nothing but AMD for years now and I've had no problems with it and Linux. Any set of RPMs seems to work fine and without problems. Don't know about the board specifically but I've been using that chipset and it works fine. James I'm planning to change my hardware from intel to AMD and I'd like to know your experiences. I've seen an AMD system crash because of motherboard problems and I do not want any problems (AND I do not want to use M$) The configuration I chose is: Motherboard: FastFame8VTAA(VIAKT133A,3SD,UDMA100,AGP4x,AC97Sound,ATX) CPU: AMD K7 ThunderBird 950MHz SocketA RAM: 256 MB SD RAM 133MHz I think it should work fine. Does anyone know about the Motherboard? Also: With an AMD system, which rpm packages should I use? i386, i586, i686 (I guess not) and even if they are not optimised, will they work? Thanx, BAT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 2002. 03. 06. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AMD system question
I have _always_ used AMD CPUs. Couldn't be happier. Miark On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:55:24 -0700 James Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been running nothing but AMD for years now and I've had no problems with it and Linux. Any set of RPMs seems to work fine and without problems. Don't know about the board specifically but I've been using that chipset and it works fine. James I'm planning to change my hardware from intel to AMD and I'd like to know your experiences. I've seen an AMD system crash because of motherboard problems and I do not want any problems (AND I do not want to use M$) The configuration I chose is: Motherboard: FastFame8VTAA(VIAKT133A,3SD,UDMA100,AGP4x,AC97Sound,ATX) CPU: AMD K7 ThunderBird 950MHz SocketA RAM: 256 MB SD RAM 133MHz I think it should work fine. Does anyone know about the Motherboard? Also: With an AMD system, which rpm packages should I use? i386, i586, i686 (I guess not) and even if they are not optimised, will they work? Thanx, BAT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 2002. 03. 06. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] AMD system question
Heh, drop a BT8x8 tuner it in, or many other Bus Mastering controllers and it will bite you. Unfortunately I found this out the hard way on 6 different systems I own. The famous clock timer problem screws up DMA transfers on Via, AliMagik chipsets. Abit, Asus, Gigabyte are all plagued by this... -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tony S. Sykes |Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:02 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: [newbie] AMD system question | | |I use an Asus board with amd(xp 1600), no probs, I have always |used amd chips for last 5 years, last 2 on linux, and never |had a problem, with several motherboards, abit, asus, gigabyte |running amd various flavours. | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] AMD system question
I have a Systemax AMD XP 1700+ (Gigabyte MoBo, 512MB PC2100 RAM) and so far
have had no problems that can blamed on it. It's owner can be blame quite a
bit however. 8-{
I've made some dumb mistakes but the board has been very nice. I do have to
say the on-board sound sux. It's weak and lack luster. I'd spring for an
older Sound Blaster Live Value PCI card if I were you. I don't know how
hard they are to get in Hungary though. Anyhoo, that's my experience so
far.
- Original Message -
From: Baka Attila Tams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:05 AM
Subject: [newbie] AMD system question
Hi Everyone!
I'm planning to change my hardware from intel to AMD and I'd like to know
your experiences. I've seen an AMD system crash because of motherboard
problems and I do not want any problems (AND I do not want to use M$)
The configuration I chose is:
Motherboard: FastFame8VTAA(VIAKT133A,3SD,UDMA100,AGP4x,AC97Sound,ATX)
CPU: AMD K7 ThunderBird 950MHz SocketA
RAM: 256 MB SD RAM 133MHz
I think it should work fine. Does anyone know about the Motherboard?
Also: With an AMD system, which rpm packages should I use? i386, i586,
i686
(I guess not) and even if they are not optimised, will they work?
Thanx,
BAT
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