RE: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Title: RE: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:22 AM To: NEWBIE 1 Subject: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think if you turn off harddrake at boot then it will not look for new hardware. HTH Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Are you sure it's spending a long time checking for new hardware or the step that follows (and just hasn't displayed the text of that step, yet)? This is a good point: Which is it? I would think that since the message is Checking... it is printing the message first, then doing the job. That's how i program messages... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
eric huff wrote: Are you sure it's spending a long time checking for new hardware or the step that follows (and just hasn't displayed the text of that step, yet)? This is a good point: Which is it? I would think that since the message is Checking... it is printing the message first, then doing the job. That's how i program messages... Well I cannot be certain, because I'm not the programmer but it certainly feels like it's searching for ,or having trouble recinciling a hardware issue, but it always completes, eventually. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Joeb wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:22:12 +0100 John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you sure it's spending a long time checking for new hardware or the step that follows (and just hasn't displayed the text of that step, yet)? I don't think so, it seems to finish smartly after that., but, Also, per chance, do you have an empty memory card reader attached? If so, it might be timing out waiting for the virtual drive to come active (which it will never do, because it's empty). If so, try putting a card in it or unplugging it from the USB port and see if that speeds things up. I do have a smartcard reader attatched to a usb port and I cann't always be having a card in it, just to speed things u, and in any case it made no difference putting a card in the reader. Tom, I can turn it off in MCC , but isn't that a bit anti-deluvian ? John John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
John Richard Smith wrote: Well I cannot be certain, because I'm not the programmer but it press 'i' during boot, then note timing of displays after pressing enter. that is if you really want to know. peace out. tc,hago. g . -- =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
On Wed, 28 May 2003 05:53:27 -0700 Myers, Dennis R NWO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:22 AM To: NEWBIE 1 Subject: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John If you want to stop it (from memory). # cd /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ # mv XXXkudzu ~XXXkudzu The files in this dir are all run at init5 startup. The are run in numerical order, 1 - 99. The S prefix means it is a service (assumption). Not sure what the K prefix means other than they are setup executables which run then exit having finished their task. This is where so much of the personal configurability of Linux exists. You can chop and change these dirs to suit yourself. I have a dialup so i delete some services from here and start them from /etc/ppp/ip-up.local instead. That way they are only running when i am on the net. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
On Wednesday 28 May 2003 07:53 am, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:22 AM To: NEWBIE 1 Subject: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John My apologies to the list again, Sorry about the other reply, it was from my windows work station and no matter how many times I switch it to text only, it reboots with HTML mail enabled. I can not seem to remember from day to day to reset it. Lord, I hate M$ crap. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
I would think that since the message is Checking... it is printing the message first, then doing the job. That's how i program messages... But, notice it never says, finished checking. The checking message is displayed when the checking begins. When checking is done, the message doesn't change, but the next phase begins. On mine, when checking is done it gives the green [OK] off to the right (well, maybe not for hardware, but for the rest of them). Anyway, i just went thru interactively and the starting messages come up as soon as you accept a service, then time goes by, you get an ok and then the next prompt. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Dennis Myers wrote: On Wednesday 28 May 2003 07:53 am, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:22 AM To: NEWBIE 1 Subject: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John My apologies to the list again, Sorry about the other reply, it was from my windows work station and no matter how many times I switch it to text only, it reboots with HTML mail enabled. I can not seem to remember from day to day to reset it. Lord, I hate M$ crap. Not too worry too much. One of the original reasons why I took a look at Mandrake a couple of years ago was the way Outlook expressed worked, which for me was not the HTML aspect so much, heck I receive html all day long, so I have a fat chance of working without it, but my beef was the way it took control away from you and did everything the way some fat ideot demanded I work with it, I have had multiple internet accounts and hated the lack of indevidual control of each account. So when you send an email , for instance , you must also send and receive. E. Just one small example of programmer arogance -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Joeb wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 08:06:38 -0700 eric huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure it's spending a long time checking for new hardware or the step that follows (and just hasn't displayed the text of that step, yet)? This is a good point: Which is it? I would think that since the message is Checking... it is printing the message first, then doing the job. That's how i program messages... But, notice it never says, finished checking. The checking message is displayed when the checking begins. When checking is done, the message doesn't change, but the next phase begins. So, if the next phase is waiting, trying to mount something like an empty card reader, the checking message is displayed and appears to hang, but what actually is happening, is Linux is waiting for the scsi emulated card reader to either activate or time out. Since the reader is empty, it waits until the time out. I would imagine if the original poster checks the messages, that is what is next displayed on the screen (failed to mount). Most people don't think of it, because, they agree the reader is empty and assume the delay is from the checking. I can duplicate this delay simply by pluging in a usb reader without a card. If you really want to verify it, turn off harddrake and reboot with the empty card reader still attached. There won't be a checking message, but the system will still pause, followed by the failed to mount... message. There are a couple of options available. One, you can just live with it. Two, you can leave a card in the reader. Three, have the reader unplugged when rebooting. A fourth option may be to turn off auto mounting in the /etc/fstab for the reader. That may work, but I don't want to reboot my computer at this time just to find out. Anyway, that has been my experience with a stock and almost stock Mandrake kernel when booting with an empty card reader. It appears to hang right after the checking message is displayed if there is an empty card reader attached. YMMV Joeb OK, well, that appears to be both right and partly wrong. First off, putting a card in the reader does not cure it. I strongly suggest it is likely to be the presence of the PQI card reader that it is detecting and tying to do something with. Yes, if I go to MCC - sevices and remove the cross to run harddrake at boot time that cures the problem, in as much as there is no longer any check for new hardware delay. But I'm not sure I ought to be doing this. To my mind this is like having a motor car that has a broken exhaust pipe and saying the solution is to scrap the car. As a matter of reference only the next message after checking for new hardware is setting network parameters. I'm fully confident the hardware detection is what it was doing and is the problem, and it is almost certainly going to be the PQI card reader that is causing the check new hardware stage of the boot to want to do something more about it. I'm guessing , that where as in M9.0 the check new hardware facility didn't find the reader at all, this new M9.1 does find the reader and wants to configure it, as Joeb says, after a while it is being timed out . In a way I'm glad it's finding the device. I want my reader configured and fully working and for sure detection is necessary to that process. If I turn harddrake boottime detection permanently off what will be the disadvantages ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
eric huff wrote: I would think that since the message is Checking... it is printing the message first, then doing the job. That's how i program messages... But, notice it never says, finished checking. The checking message is displayed when the checking begins. When checking is done, the message doesn't change, but the next phase begins. On mine, when checking is done it gives the green [OK] off to the right (well, maybe not for hardware, but for the rest of them). Anyway, i just went thru interactively and the starting messages come up as soon as you accept a service, then time goes by, you get an ok and then the next prompt. Having watched closely now, I'm sure checking new hardware begins with the script and finishes when the next item appears. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Checking for new Hardware
Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Checking for new Hardware
On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:22:12 +0100 John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else find that the bootup of M9.1 spends a long time checking for new hardware every time. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you sure it's spending a long time checking for new hardware or the step that follows (and just hasn't displayed the text of that step, yet)? Also, per chance, do you have an empty memory card reader attached? If so, it might be timing out waiting for the virtual drive to come active (which it will never do, because it's empty). If so, try putting a card in it or unplugging it from the USB port and see if that speeds things up. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
