Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)
:~ valuable packages have number asociated with them which is close to 100, :~ while "junk" packages have a number close to 0 (well, junk packages do not :~ make it into the distro, but you get the picture) :~ :~Now that I understand it, I actually like that option. When I first saw that :~slide bar, I did not have a clue of what to do... since I had space on my HD, I :~just moved the slider all the way to the right. I assume a lot of others did :~the same. :~ :~Now, is the slide bar mentioned in the manual? I did not read the manual prior :~to installing, but then again I had a download disk, not a packaged distro. And :~who RTFM anyway? Maybe an "on-the-fly" explanation of what the slide bar means :~is in order... Obviously we need to do something to make it clearer, but the idea itself is really very nice. :~And are the "grades" Mandrakesoft gives each package available anywhere? I :~would like to check those grades out. At the moment only in /Mandrake/base/compssList, but in the future "rpmdrake" will make use of these numbers. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)
Em qui, 25 mai 2000, Denis HAVLIK escreveu: SNIP Here is what happens: We have a list of packages with their "value". Very valuable packages have number asociated with them which is close to 100, while "junk" packages have a number close to 0 (well, junk packages do not make it into the distro, but you get the picture) Now that I understand it, I actually like that option. When I first saw that slide bar, I did not have a clue of what to do... since I had space on my HD, I just moved the slider all the way to the right. I assume a lot of others did the same. Now, is the slide bar mentioned in the manual? I did not read the manual prior to installing, but then again I had a download disk, not a packaged distro. And who RTFM anyway? Maybe an "on-the-fly" explanation of what the slide bar means is in order... And are the "grades" Mandrakesoft gives each package available anywhere? I would like to check those grades out. Thanks, /J. When you move the slider to left, you efectively "raise the bar", so that packages with lower "priority" drop out of the selection. Personally, I think this is a great way to make a compromyse between having some controle over instalation and not having to browse trough 1000+ packages at install (horror!) What we miss at the moment is a tool which would use a symilar logic to help you install|uninstall packages on already installed system, but Pixel is working on it right now. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- -- * Registered Linux User Number * *178234*
Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)
I agree with Aaron's assessment, but would suggest that as well as
classes of install, certain applicatations (or operations or
services...whatever you name it) be offered as part of the setup, ie,
star office, or IPCHAINS and WEBSERVER.
I am SO freaking tickled to get to put my 1/2 cents worth in here...
thanks
Aaron Zuercher wrote:
Denis-
Its great to hear the guys at Mandrake are willing to listen to the end users.
Here is my first input:
The install program is very slick. However at one point in the install,
after you have partitioned the drive you are shown a slider bar and asked
to pick how much software you want to install. (you choose the amount of
megabytes to install). I find this very confusing. If i pick 800mb what
is being installed? Am I getting all the packages I need??
If you do an expert install you are later given a list of software and you
can pick and choose what packages you want. But if you are not doing the
basic install Mandrake simply installs xxx megabytes of software and the
user has no idea what it is getting.
I find this to be extremely non-user-friendly. Especially since I like to
know what is going to be installed on my box. Perhaps in the next version
you could rework the install so that you are give a list of "prepackaged"
install options such as "light, medium, everything" But then in the next
window you would have the total list of packages and the user can
add/remove items.
Thanks for listening.
Aaron Zuercher
At 08:30 PM 5/25/00 +0200, you wrote:
Hi, folks!
What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on
these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully!
[ANNOUNCEMENT]
We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of
our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of
improving our next distro.
- NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell
us what you hate, tell us what you dream of!
- NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start
thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Starting NOW, I am going to stop sleeping, eating, or doing any other job
which would interfere with currently most important task: Making sure we
make the best decisions based on whatever input we can get.
[RULES]
* Basically everything you can think of is open for discussion, except
question of including non-free software in the core of our distro, which
is absolute NO-NO.
* Listen to what other people have to say. Try keeping the signal/noise
ratio as high as possible.
* One topic per e-mail and informative subject line help us a lot. ("125
Great ideas!!!" is a very bad subject line.)
* Please, try to avoid any kind of flaming on the list for the next 10
days.
* Finaly, If you have time and skills to pick up ideas from long
discussion threads and write a good summary, please do it, it will help us
a lot.
[TOPICS]
Topics we are particularly interested in at this moment include:
1) ergonomics: What should our user interfaces look like in the
future, what should we improve in our desktop configuration, which things
need polishing...
2) install:Which features of our current installation
program (DrakX) do you like, which features are you missing, what is not
clear enough? The same question goes for post-install configuration
tools.
3) packages: which packages to add, what to remove from the distro,
which subset of packages is really nessesary for a minimal install,
and which packages are "just add-ons"?
4) tools: which new tools (packages) should we develop ourselves, or
improve in case we are already developing them? Many great
programs already exist out there, so we really badly need to know
which important linux tools you still miss, in order to
concentrate on them in the future.
5) system policy: We want to make our system "logical" by following the
Linux Standards, and being consistent in the way
"things" (services, settings) are implemented. Tell us where
we need to improve.
6) security policy: Closely related to point "6". You know that we care a
lot about security, don't you? Well, the problem is choosing right
security settings for various situations.
(If you feel that we have forgotten an important topic, just start a
discusion on it, the list should not be taken too strictly)
I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
lists during next two weeks. Guillaume will do the same on the
"cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take
part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
(and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
At the end of the discussion cycle (in two weeks), I will try to
[newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)
Denis-
Its great to hear the guys at Mandrake are willing to listen to the end users.
Here is my first input:
The install program is very slick. However at one point in the install,
after you have partitioned the drive you are shown a slider bar and asked
to pick how much software you want to install. (you choose the amount of
megabytes to install). I find this very confusing. If i pick 800mb what
is being installed? Am I getting all the packages I need??
If you do an expert install you are later given a list of software and you
can pick and choose what packages you want. But if you are not doing the
basic install Mandrake simply installs xxx megabytes of software and the
user has no idea what it is getting.
I find this to be extremely non-user-friendly. Especially since I like to
know what is going to be installed on my box. Perhaps in the next version
you could rework the install so that you are give a list of "prepackaged"
install options such as "light, medium, everything" But then in the next
window you would have the total list of packages and the user can
add/remove items.
Thanks for listening.
Aaron Zuercher
At 08:30 PM 5/25/00 +0200, you wrote:
Hi, folks!
What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on
these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully!
[ANNOUNCEMENT]
We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of
our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of
improving our next distro.
- NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell
us what you hate, tell us what you dream of!
- NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start
thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Starting NOW, I am going to stop sleeping, eating, or doing any other job
which would interfere with currently most important task: Making sure we
make the best decisions based on whatever input we can get.
[RULES]
* Basically everything you can think of is open for discussion, except
question of including non-free software in the core of our distro, which
is absolute NO-NO.
* Listen to what other people have to say. Try keeping the signal/noise
ratio as high as possible.
* One topic per e-mail and informative subject line help us a lot. ("125
Great ideas!!!" is a very bad subject line.)
* Please, try to avoid any kind of flaming on the list for the next 10
days.
* Finaly, If you have time and skills to pick up ideas from long
discussion threads and write a good summary, please do it, it will help us
a lot.
[TOPICS]
Topics we are particularly interested in at this moment include:
1) ergonomics: What should our user interfaces look like in the
future, what should we improve in our desktop configuration, which things
need polishing...
2) install:Which features of our current installation
program (DrakX) do you like, which features are you missing, what is not
clear enough? The same question goes for post-install configuration
tools.
3) packages: which packages to add, what to remove from the distro,
which subset of packages is really nessesary for a minimal install,
and which packages are "just add-ons"?
4) tools: which new tools (packages) should we develop ourselves, or
improve in case we are already developing them? Many great
programs already exist out there, so we really badly need to know
which important linux tools you still miss, in order to
concentrate on them in the future.
5) system policy: We want to make our system "logical" by following the
Linux Standards, and being consistent in the way
"things" (services, settings) are implemented. Tell us where
we need to improve.
6) security policy: Closely related to point "6". You know that we care a
lot about security, don't you? Well, the problem is choosing right
security settings for various situations.
(If you feel that we have forgotten an important topic, just start a
discusion on it, the list should not be taken too strictly)
I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
lists during next two weeks. Guillaume will do the same on the
"cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take
part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
(and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
At the end of the discussion cycle (in two weeks), I will try to write a
resume of what has been decided and share it with you.
yours
Denis Havlik
--
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Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik
Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: My first Suggestion (Installer Problem)
:~Here is my first input: :~ :~The install program is very slick. However at one point in the install, :~after you have partitioned the drive you are shown a slider bar and asked :~to pick how much software you want to install. (you choose the amount of :~megabytes to install). I find this very confusing. If i pick 800mb what :~is being installed? Am I getting all the packages I need?? Here is what happens: We have a list of packages with their "value". Very valuable packages have number asociated with them which is close to 100, while "junk" packages have a number close to 0 (well, junk packages do not make it into the distro, but you get the picture) When you move the slider to left, you efectively "raise the bar", so that packages with lower "priority" drop out of the selection. Personally, I think this is a great way to make a compromyse between having some controle over instalation and not having to browse trough 1000+ packages at install (horror!) What we miss at the moment is a tool which would use a symilar logic to help you install|uninstall packages on already installed system, but Pixel is working on it right now. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
