Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
Thanks Dave, I will check on this and post you back. Since my system is not really live yet (I'm still dual booting from WinMe) I did a complete reinstall last night. I had tried so many leads that I wasn't sure what state my system was in, and (sigh) didn't document as I went. I will this time. -Paul --- Dave Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 22 October 2001 10:13, Paul Schwebel opined on the topic: Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues Dave, Thanks for the clarification on my questions. Earthlink/Mindspring has 3 nameservers for their Mindspring customers (of which I am one). They are: 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 207.69.188.187 I use the first two in my resolv.conf files and in the rp-pppoe setup. I can ping these numbers. Also, I can't seem to connect with their email servers, pop.mindspring.com and smtp.mindspring.com, so I'm not sure this is strictly a DNS problem, unless DNS is also required to resolve these names. Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess DNS must be involved. Yes, you do need DNS to resolve those, too ;-) Is there a simple 'enable DNS' checkbox that I've missed? No, Linux should try to use DNS by default, as long as you have the IP addresses in your resolv.conf. You will need bind-utils installed. Do this in an xterm: rpm -qa|grep bind and see if you get a bind-utils package. If not, you will need to install it. If you know what bind is (a full DNS server), then you may guess that bind-utils is just a set of tools for domain name resolution and other information gathering. Now, I used to have a SuSE distribution (7.1), but I switched to Mandrake because of what appeared to be a more user friendly wrapper around the OS. I was able to connect with SuSE on the box, and I can connect under Win, so I'm not having a hardware issue. I have only used SUSe once, and it was a 6.x version. Back then (a couple of years ago), it seemed pretty good, but I ended up switching to Caldera, and then switching to Mandrake at the suggestion of a friend. Dave -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE71JYUA68l26XsZUYRAsO5AKCSJa05bH14LFCwsLwn5UjJ1mM8MACg3GIP ak7eZasT8/EGvnk2KtXVFW4= =Yf1X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
Dave, Thanks for the clarification on my questions. Earthlink/Mindspring has 3 nameservers for their Mindspring customers (of which I am one). They are: 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 207.69.188.187 I use the first two in my resolv.conf files and in the rp-pppoe setup. I can ping these numbers. Also, I can't seem to connect with their email servers, pop.mindspring.com and smtp.mindspring.com, so I'm not sure this is strictly a DNS problem, unless DNS is also required to resolve these names. Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess DNS must be involved. Is there a simple 'enable DNS' checkbox that I've missed? Now, I used to have a SuSE distribution (7.1), but I switched to Mandrake because of what appeared to be a more user friendly wrapper around the OS. I was able to connect with SuSE on the box, and I can connect under Win, so I'm not having a hardware issue. Thanks for the help, -Paul --- Dave Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . But, I CAN ping various web sites using their IP addresses. If you can ing using an IP address but not using a domain name, then the problem almost certainly is in the domain resolution. Now, an ifconfig brings up the following info: . . . lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 . . . I'm wondering if that 'lo' entry is the problem. LO is needed, even if you are not connected to a network. The reason is that Linux runs lots of network-aware apps (including X Windows), and they need some sort of network to run properly. The local loopback provides this, in lieu of a real network. But even if you have a real network connection, you still need the local loopback. Also, in the HOW-TO-CONNECT doc for rp-pppoe they say DO NOT configure the card to come up at boot time. How do I do this? Go into Control Center, open the Services, and disable Networking on boot. AND here's another possible cause of my problem. Is httpd supposed to be running? When I do a 'ps -A' while rp-pppoe is connected I get this: Now, httpd is nowhere to be found. Should it be there? httpd is the Apache web server daemon. You do not need it for your PC to be connected to the Internet. Sorry for the length of the post, but I wanted to be as detailed as a newbie can be about my suspicions and my questions. No problem. Like I said above, the problem is almost certainly with your domain resolution. Either your PC is unable to reach the DNS servers you specified, or else the DNS servers are not responding. What are the IP addresses of Mindspring's DNS servers? Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
you can get around the DNS by using the IP address of there pop and smtp servers. ___ Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: Paul Schwebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues Dave, Thanks for the clarification on my questions. Earthlink/Mindspring has 3 nameservers for their Mindspring customers (of which I am one). They are: 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 207.69.188.187 I use the first two in my resolv.conf files and in the rp-pppoe setup. I can ping these numbers. Also, I can't seem to connect with their email servers, pop.mindspring.com and smtp.mindspring.com, so I'm not sure this is strictly a DNS problem, unless DNS is also required to resolve these names. Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess DNS must be involved. Is there a simple 'enable DNS' checkbox that I've missed? Now, I used to have a SuSE distribution (7.1), but I switched to Mandrake because of what appeared to be a more user friendly wrapper around the OS. I was able to connect with SuSE on the box, and I can connect under Win, so I'm not having a hardware issue. Thanks for the help, -Paul --- Dave Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . But, I CAN ping various web sites using their IP addresses. If you can ing using an IP address but not using a domain name, then the problem almost certainly is in the domain resolution. Now, an ifconfig brings up the following info: . . . lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 . . . I'm wondering if that 'lo' entry is the problem. LO is needed, even if you are not connected to a network. The reason is that Linux runs lots of network-aware apps (including X Windows), and they need some sort of network to run properly. The local loopback provides this, in lieu of a real network. But even if you have a real network connection, you still need the local loopback. Also, in the HOW-TO-CONNECT doc for rp-pppoe they say DO NOT configure the card to come up at boot time. How do I do this? Go into Control Center, open the Services, and disable Networking on boot. AND here's another possible cause of my problem. Is httpd supposed to be running? When I do a 'ps -A' while rp-pppoe is connected I get this: Now, httpd is nowhere to be found. Should it be there? httpd is the Apache web server daemon. You do not need it for your PC to be connected to the Internet. Sorry for the length of the post, but I wanted to be as detailed as a newbie can be about my suspicions and my questions. No problem. Like I said above, the problem is almost certainly with your domain resolution. Either your PC is unable to reach the DNS servers you specified, or else the DNS servers are not responding. What are the IP addresses of Mindspring's DNS servers? Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 22 October 2001 10:13, Paul Schwebel opined on the topic: Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues Dave, Thanks for the clarification on my questions. Earthlink/Mindspring has 3 nameservers for their Mindspring customers (of which I am one). They are: 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 207.69.188.187 I use the first two in my resolv.conf files and in the rp-pppoe setup. I can ping these numbers. Also, I can't seem to connect with their email servers, pop.mindspring.com and smtp.mindspring.com, so I'm not sure this is strictly a DNS problem, unless DNS is also required to resolve these names. Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess DNS must be involved. Yes, you do need DNS to resolve those, too ;-) Is there a simple 'enable DNS' checkbox that I've missed? No, Linux should try to use DNS by default, as long as you have the IP addresses in your resolv.conf. You will need bind-utils installed. Do this in an xterm: rpm -qa|grep bind and see if you get a bind-utils package. If not, you will need to install it. If you know what bind is (a full DNS server), then you may guess that bind-utils is just a set of tools for domain name resolution and other information gathering. Now, I used to have a SuSE distribution (7.1), but I switched to Mandrake because of what appeared to be a more user friendly wrapper around the OS. I was able to connect with SuSE on the box, and I can connect under Win, so I'm not having a hardware issue. I have only used SUSe once, and it was a 6.x version. Back then (a couple of years ago), it seemed pretty good, but I ended up switching to Caldera, and then switching to Mandrake at the suggestion of a friend. Dave -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE71JYUA68l26XsZUYRAsO5AKCSJa05bH14LFCwsLwn5UjJ1mM8MACg3GIP ak7eZasT8/EGvnk2KtXVFW4= =Yf1X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
I'm still trying to connect my Mandrake 8.1 box to the Internet via an Earthlink/Mindspring DSL connection. I've gone over the various suggestions I've gotten from this list and others, done some reading and reconfiguring. I'm not there yet, but I'm closer. Here's what's going on: I'm using the rp-pppoe gui. When I start the link, the gui appears to connect, that is, it goes 'green'. However, I can't connect with either a Web browser, or any mail client. I have checked /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ppp/resolv.conf and they have the correct entries for Mindspring's DNS servers. But, I CAN ping various web sites using their IP addresses. Now, an ifconfig brings up the following info: [root@localhost root]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:DA:7C:BC:C7 UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:67 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:97 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:5849 (5.7 Kb) TX bytes:12355 (12.0 Kb) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xec00 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:347 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:347 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:39039 (38.1 Kb) TX bytes:39039 (38.1 Kb) I'm wondering if that 'lo' entry is the problem. My recollection of local loopback means that the PC is only sending IP to itself? I'm not sure why I can ping, unless the loopback doesn't apply to ICMP packets. In any case, if this is a problem, can someone tell me? Also, if it IS the problem, how do I get rid of it permanently? I've looked thru linuxconf and several man pages to no avail! Also, in the HOW-TO-CONNECT doc for rp-pppoe they say DO NOT configure the card to come up at boot time. How do I do this? AND here's another possible cause of my problem. Is httpd supposed to be running? When I do a 'ps -A' while rp-pppoe is connected I get this: PID TTY TIME CMD 1 ?00:00:04 init 3 ?00:00:00 keventd 4 ?02:07:10 kapm-idled 5 ?00:00:00 ksoftirqd_CPU0 6 ?00:00:00 kswapd 7 ?00:00:00 kreclaimd 8 ?00:00:00 bdflush 9 ?00:00:00 kupdated 10 ?00:00:00 mdrecoveryd 113 ?00:00:00 devfsd 142 ?00:00:00 open 147 vc/1100:00:04 Monitor-NewStyl 897 ?00:00:00 khubd 1360 ?00:00:00 portmap 1382 ?00:00:00 syslogd 1390 ?00:00:00 klogd 1484 ?00:00:00 apmd 1509 ?00:00:00 atd 1589 ?00:00:00 cupsd 1767 ?00:00:00 gpm 1964 ?00:00:00 crond 1988 ?00:00:01 xfs 2176 vc/1 00:00:00 mingetty 2177 vc/2 00:00:00 mingetty 2178 vc/3 00:00:00 mingetty 2179 vc/4 00:00:00 mingetty 2180 vc/5 00:00:00 mingetty 2181 vc/6 00:00:00 mingetty 2182 ?00:00:00 kdm 2193 ?00:00:24 X 2194 ?00:00:00 kdm 2296 ?00:00:00 startkde 2316 ?00:00:01 medusa-idled 2392 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2395 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2398 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2405 ?00:00:03 artsd 2444 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2472 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2473 ?00:00:00 ksmserver 2482 ?00:00:03 kdeinit 2484 ?00:00:03 kdeinit 2486 ?00:00:04 kdeinit 2494 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 2495 pts/000:00:00 cat 2497 ?00:00:00 alarmd 2927 ?00:00:05 wish 2928 ?00:00:00 ifconfig defunct 3049 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 3053 ?00:00:00 kdesud 3253 ?00:00:00 xinetd 3457 ?00:00:00 gnome-terminal 3459 ?00:00:00 gnome-name-serv 3461 ?00:00:00 gnome-pty-helpe 3462 pts/100:00:00 bash 3499 ?00:00:00 kdeinit 3593 ?00:00:00 adsl-connect 3607 ?00:00:00 pppd 3608 ?00:00:00 pppoe 3656 pts/100:00:00 ps Now, httpd is nowhere to be found. Should it be there? Sorry for the length of the post, but I wanted to be as detailed as a newbie can be about my suspicions and my questions. =Paul How do I work this? Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 21 October 2001 21:24, Paul Schwebel opined on the topic: [newbie] DSL and 8.1, the saga continues I'm using the rp-pppoe gui. When I start the link, the gui appears to connect, that is, it goes 'green'. However, I can't connect with either a Web browser, or any mail client. I have checked /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ppp/resolv.conf and they have the correct entries for Mindspring's DNS servers. But, I CAN ping various web sites using their IP addresses. If you can ing using an IP address but not using a domain name, then the problem almost certainly is in the domain resolution. Now, an ifconfig brings up the following info: [root@localhost root]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:DA:7C:BC:C7 UP BROADCAST RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:67 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:97 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:5849 (5.7 Kb) TX bytes:12355 (12.0 Kb) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xec00 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:347 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:347 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:39039 (38.1 Kb) TX bytes:39039 (38.1 Kb) I'm wondering if that 'lo' entry is the problem. My recollection of local loopback means that the PC is only sending IP to itself? I'm not sure why I can ping, unless the loopback doesn't apply to ICMP packets. In any case, if this is a problem, can someone tell me? Also, if it IS the problem, how do I get rid of it permanently? I've looked thru linuxconf and several man pages to no avail! LO is needed, even if you are not connected to a network. The reason is that Linux runs lots of network-aware apps (including X Windows), and they need some sort of network to run properly. The local loopback provides this, in lieu of a real network. But even if you have a real network connection, you still need the local loopback. Also, in the HOW-TO-CONNECT doc for rp-pppoe they say DO NOT configure the card to come up at boot time. How do I do this? Go into Control Center, open the Services, and disable Networking on boot. AND here's another possible cause of my problem. Is httpd supposed to be running? When I do a 'ps -A' while rp-pppoe is connected I get this: Now, httpd is nowhere to be found. Should it be there? httpd is the Apache web server daemon. You do not need it for your PC to be connected to the Internet. Sorry for the length of the post, but I wanted to be as detailed as a newbie can be about my suspicions and my questions. No problem. Like I said above, the problem is almost certainly with your domain resolution. Either your PC is unable to reach the DNS servers you specified, or else the DNS servers are not responding. What are the IP addresses of Mindspring's DNS servers? Dave -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7044LA68l26XsZUYRAtJSAJ9j9RGDVhACqNLW5YLX+GNsSVF3SACgl7jx I/gHLqMZ7o2egnpL/MhgCKI= =hPFs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
