Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
Oliver, Hey man! that's great!! way to hang in there. Feels good, doesn't it? Now...where'd I put that ballpeen hammer?... -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Oliver L. Plaine Jr. wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:18:33 -0600, Olly wrote: Are you familiar with socket problems...what would normally be a logical approach for repair of sticky sockets? or trouble shooting ? The man fetchmail says "treat it as an unrecoverable error" wellI must do some recovery...somehow... -- Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:38:29 I got it Mark...heeheee I am happy to report that the problem is cured and I can download mailand it savesgrin Here is the fix: from a FaQ written by Eric S. Raymond, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] R7. Fetchmail randomly dies with socket errors. Check the MTU value in your PPP interface reported by /sbin/ifconfig. If it's over 600, change it in your PPP options file. (/etc/ppp/options on my box). Here are option values that work: mtu 552 mru 552 - I added the above options to my /etc /ppp/options file and it works nicely I do not profess to even a slight knowledge of the intricate relationship between ppp and the various mailprogram protocalsBut it seems to me that a mtu value in the ppp interface is in fact a ppp related problem. At any rate, the problem is cured and I am getting mail...hopefully this may help someone else, for this is not an easy problem for a beginner to research..I could not determine if the difficulty originated with worldnet server., my programs ,,or a combination of the two? But now it is over...until the next problem 8-) Thank you for your help and patience. Olly P
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:18:33 -0600, Olly wrote: Are you familiar with socket problems...what would normally be a logical approach for repair of sticky sockets? or trouble shooting ? The man fetchmail says "treat it as an unrecoverable error" wellI must do some recovery...somehow... -- Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:38:29 I got it Mark...heeheee I am happy to report that the problem is cured and I can download mailand it savesgrin Here is the fix: from a FaQ written by Eric S. Raymond, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] R7. Fetchmail randomly dies with socket errors. Check the MTU value in your PPP interface reported by /sbin/ifconfig. If it's over 600, change it in your PPP options file. (/etc/ppp/options on my box). Here are option values that work: mtu 552 mru 552 - I added the above options to my /etc /ppp/options file and it works nicely I do not profess to even a slight knowledge of the intricate relationship between ppp and the various mailprogram protocalsBut it seems to me that a mtu value in the ppp interface is in fact a ppp related problem. At any rate, the problem is cured and I am getting mail...hopefully this may help someone else, for this is not an easy problem for a beginner to research..I could not determine if the difficulty originated with worldnet server., my programs ,,or a combination of the two? But now it is over...until the next problem 8-) Thank you for your help and patience. Olly P
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:48:19 -0500 (EST), you wrote: Where are you telling it to go when you download the mail from the server? -- Mark Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:51:06 Hi MarkThe Kmail is setup to go to ~/Mail and that dir does exist..this is default and I did not attempt to redirect it... The netscape mail ~/nsmailsame data applies. these are two different mail programs so my problem must be something that is applicable to both? it seems to be downloading but not saving? It will save newsgroups in PAN but I did notice a couple of times when all the data was gone, and then mysteriously reappeared? but I am unfamiliar as to how all these programs function as I have never had a modem that actually does Linux until recently. An old time user of "Forte agent" I was trying to not compare PAN in its present infancy and am overlooking small things until I get a clue on what is what.. I am guessing, the mail should go directly to the program element directory that requested the download?...and not go to /var/ like maybe fetchmail would?...I can't try it in fetchmail for when I tried to set it up the fetchmailconf crashed and is now jammed If I command "fetchmail" or "fetchmailconf" I get a error message: fetchmail: couldn't find canonical DNS name of postoffice.worldnet.att.net `umask 077; fetchmail --configdump --no syslog /tmp/fetchmailconf.4010' run failure, status 2816.unknown error while running fetchmail --configdump. The above translates to me as it errored running conf and it errored again trying to dump? I have found no log entrys? But this occurred when I was trying to set up fetchmail after the two GUI mailprograms wouldn't saveand may not be related or perhaps yes? One other thing .I noticed is while in PAN I get errors of socket problems.(remember my total operating time with this program equals less than one hour) I think these sockets would also be used in the other programs although they don't say anything as PAN does? Do you think my whole problem might be sticky sockets? Thanks for responding Olly P Biloxi
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:59:30 -0500 (EST), Mark wrote: Oliver, The fetchmail error you're getting when you tried to download mail with command line fetchmail is a communication error between fetchmail and the TCP/IP stack...so to speak. I get that error when I issue a fetchmail command froma terminal window and my modem isnn't connected to the internet. Alright.'..stop laughing...pick yourself up off the floor. It was late and I needed to unplug. - Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:52:19 How embarrassing Mark heehenot for you though, but for me..grin It seems as though the fetchmail conf Was done already, and trying to access the IP connection that I had not established...as you describe above...geeso much for my five minutes of experience with fetchmail. When running fetchmail (with a connection) I can see the mail being downloaded much as before with all the other mail programs.. However now I get another nice error message that the other programs did not mention...this may explain the whole problem of not getting a mail file.? -- fetchmail 13 messages for ollyplaine at postoffice.worldnet.att.net (2429878 octets) . reading message 1 of 13 (662174 octets) fetchmail time out after 300 seconds. fetchmail: client /server syncronization error while fetching from postoffice.worldnet.att.net, fetchmail: query status =7 (error) -- Looks like I rolled a seven? Ok what syncronizes the two? obviously , though the mail is coming down..the download never closes and saves? I am going to search for an explanation of error 7...meanwhile does the above mean anything to you? Tell me...the path statement that you have entered for these programs, does it read ~/Mail ~/nsmail, or /home/username/Mail /home/username/nsmail? they should bothe read as the latter two read. If they don't change them and let me know what happens. Naw Mark...I didn't enter anything...those were defaults ...I was just telling you where they were. I am sure the GUI pathed them correctly it just don't show the whole path...but anyway those files are made in the proper directories...(but empty). You and I both know that every mail program on the machine is not broken..it is weird how every one conceals information differently...Kmail don't say anything...NS says it is downloading one...but fetchmail gives me a sync error...that is the most helpful yet...I still don't have a clue what to do though? Thanks for the help Olly P Biloxi
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Oliver L. Plaine Jr. wrote: How embarrassing Mark heehenot for you though, but for me..grin When running fetchmail (with a connection) I can see the mail being downloaded much as before with all the other mail programs.. However now I get another nice error message that the other programs did not mention...this may explain the whole problem of not getting a mail file.? -- fetchmail 13 messages for ollyplaine at postoffice.worldnet.att.net (2429878 octets) . reading message 1 of 13 (662174 octets) fetchmail time out after 300 seconds. It sounds like part of the problem may very well be on the server end and not on your end. For what ever reason the connection is timing out and you're not able to establish a real good connection to be able to download your mail. I'm assuming that you have absolutely no problems at all getting your mail if you're running windows, right? Fetchmail is reporting in plain english, as some other programs could clearly take a lesson from, what part of the problem is. Now, all you've got to do is find out why? I'd be willing to bet that you haven't been downloading any mail at all as long as this has been happening each and every time you attempt to connect to the mail server from Linux. Clearly fetchmail is seeing your mail on the server as evidenced from the output just before the connection times out. fetchmail: client /server syncronization error while fetching from postoffice.worldnet.att.net, fetchmail: query status =7 (error) -- All that status = 7 means is that the connection from the server to your computer, (the client) was timed out. Not very informative past what you already know from fetchmail. It may be that the mailserver at worldnet is unable to talk to your machine. Which I'm beginning to suspect is the case. What is happening is that with fetchmail at least, fetchmail contacts the mailserver, logs in as you, reads the mail directory holding your messages, communicates back to it's machine that there is mail, then contact the MDA on your machine, very likely Postfix and then waits for a response to let fetchmail know that it is now safe and possible for it to "fetch" the mail from the mailserver to your machine. Since it has to hand off the mail to someone, beit Postfix, or Sendmail usually, that is the next place I would look in this chain to see if it's functioning correctly. The weird thing in this is that it's not just fetchmail that is having this problem. It is all three of the programs that you've tried. Which would then point back to your ISP as having the problem. So, I think I would give their tech support a call, or write them an email and breifly describe, in simple terms, that you're unable to connect to the mailserver and download your email when you're connected to them with Linux. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:21:05 -0500, Mark W wrote: Since it has to hand off the mail to someone, beit Postfix, or Sendmail usually, that is the next place I would look in this chain to see if it's functioning correctly. The weird thing in this is that it's not just fetchmail that is having this problem. It is all three of the programs that you've tried. Which would then point back to your ISP as having the problem. So, I think I would give their tech support a call, or write them an email and breifly describe, in simple terms, that you're unable to connect to the mailserver and download your email when you're connected to them with Linux. --- Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:58:25 I am running postfix Markdoes the mail have to go thru postfix even when you are using Kmail? with this same ATX machine, I have an old cut up copy of W95a (first generation)..and forte agent...using this same modem and same ISP it functions flawlessly.what would Linux be doing differently that would create a ISP end problem,,,? Every one of these mailprograms ask for the pop3 server , username and password separately ..from that I gather that they are an independent entity and do not use a common file (like chap secrets) to pass the pop information? or do they all trigger postfix? any how ...there is provision for multiple servers so that would mean they were independent? I donno...what is microsoft telling this modem? I wonder?..all the other stuff works well...just pop3 is giving me an aneurism.. thanks for you efforts Mark... still thinking slowly...I will fix this eventually 8-) Olly P Biloxi
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:18:03 -0600, I wrote: Every one of these mailprograms ask for the pop3 server , username and password separately - Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:05:20 Another bean falls into the pot Markwhile messing with the pop3 password I discovered that one changed character produces an error, so I am now confident that the data is correct. I exercised all the mail programs, with the thought that exercise will make a strong penguinthe fetchmail came up with a sig 2..cannot open a socket to retrieve mail. Aha..this meshes with some errors I had obtained from Pan previously and makes me believe I was correct in the idea that my problem was one of saving on my end Are you familiar with socket problems...what would normally be a logical approach for repair of sticky sockets? or trouble shooting ? The man fetchmail says "treat it as an unrecoverable error" wellI must do some recovery...somehow... Olly P Biloxi
[newbie] Ghost Mailspool
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:08:09 When I attempt to download mail in Kmail or Netscape mail in MDK 7.2 With a solid connection to my ISP with Kppp I can trigger "get messages" and see in the" details" window of Kppp, the graphic representation of the mail being downloaded.. On the Kppp status graph I can see the transfer spikes lined up like soldiers and the lights blink and everything appears to be downloading ok..the bytes read 669 out and 42256 in.however when the row of spikes quit...the netscape still says downloading 1 of 20 and does not progress... and no mail file is to be found... Where does it go.?.A mystic bitbucket? I have searched all over temp and var to no avail I can download newsgroups in Pan and Netscape I can browse with netscape and KonQbut no pop 3...??? Fetchmailconf crashed and is kaput...this happened after the above though and is not causitive...but I cant use it. Has anyone a suggestion on where my mail might be? thank you Olly P Biloxi
Re: [newbie] Ghost Mailspool
Where are you telling it to go when you download the mail from the server? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Oliver L. Plaine Jr. wrote: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:08:09 When I attempt to download mail in Kmail or Netscape mail in MDK 7.2 With a solid connection to my ISP with Kppp I can trigger "get messages" and see in the" details" window of Kppp, the graphic representation of the mail being downloaded.. On the Kppp status graph I can see the transfer spikes lined up like soldiers and the lights blink and everything appears to be downloading ok..the bytes read 669 out and 42256 in.however when the row of spikes quit...the netscape still says downloading 1 of 20 and does not progress... and no mail file is to be found... Where does it go.?.A mystic bitbucket? I have searched all over temp and var to no avail I can download newsgroups in Pan and Netscape I can browse with netscape and KonQbut no pop 3...??? Fetchmailconf crashed and is kaput...this happened after the above though and is not causitive...but I cant use it. Has anyone a suggestion on where my mail might be? thank you Olly P Biloxi
