[newbie] Good (Linux) Mailreaders for Mailing lists?
Hello All! I'm currently using Netscape to read this list,because of its threading and sorting capabilities. I have problems with threading. Mails made with Netscape and Kmail are threaded fine. Other Mails created by Emacs or Outlook are not threaded correctly. I'm using Linux and have a local IMAP Server. Which Mail Reader would you propose for my system? Also I'm unsure how to post to the list. Do I have to set the "reply to" field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" manually ? I have searched the mandrake home page for this, and couldn't find information. greetings, Peter
[newbie] Good (Linux) Mailreaders for Mailing lists?
"Peter" == Peter Heckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Peter I have problems with threading. Mails made with Netscape Peter and Kmail are threaded fine. Other Mails created by Emacs Peter or Outlook are not threaded correctly. [snip] This may be a result of how mails are created by emacs or Outlook, or a result of how Netscape determines the parent-child message relationship. or both. This is of interest to me because I use xemacs with VM as my mail reader. I specifically chose these two since it was the only combination I discovered which explicitly stated that the References: header was examined to thread messages. Other programs were silent on how threading was implemented or vague or used an unacceptable (to me) method. In what way are mails you receive from emacs users "not threaded correctly"? Are the emacs users also using VM, or do they use exmh or something else? Quoting from the VM User's Manual: "Message relationships are discovered by examining References, In-Reply-To, and Subject headers. The first two headers are more reliable sources of information but not all mailers provide them." (http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/user-manual/vm_12.html#SEC23) For a brief description of how VM threads, see http://www.gnac.com/~hogan/vm/files/rigorous-threads.patch where an email from Bob Glickstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears, with his rigorous threads patch to vm-folder.el. On what bases do Netscape and Kmail thread? -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-29mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 17 St Gregory Thaumaturgus "Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back." - [G.K. Chesterton, in What's Wrong With The World, 1910]
Re: [newbie] Good (Linux) Mailreaders for Mailing lists?
Hello Mike, Mike Fieschko wrote: "Peter" == Peter Heckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Peter I have problems with threading. Mails made with Netscape Peter and Kmail are threaded fine. Other Mails created by Emacs Peter or Outlook are not threaded correctly. [snip] In what way are mails you receive from emacs users "not threaded correctly"? Are the emacs users also using VM, or do they use exmh or something else? Netscape doesnt thread your messages correctly. I had a look to the headers and cannot find out why. Your headers look fine. (Couldnt find anybody else posting with VM or Emacs :-) I did some work to investigate how netscape does threading. I viewed the headers and looked to the treading and made some conclusions therefrom. Netscape ignores the "In-Reply-To" Field. Netscape uses the "References" Field. If no "References" are found,then Netscape does threading by Subject. If a "Reference"-Field points to a posting,which doesnt contain a "References" field, or/and doesnt begin with "Re:" in the subject, then the Reference-field sometimes :-) is ignored. So Netscape seems to use a mixture of heuristic methods and "References" threading. On what bases do Netscape and Kmail thread? I myself dont use KMail because it doesnt support IMAP. I could only find one little difference between VM's headers and KMail's headers. Both, VM and KMail produce the "In-Reply-To" field. KMail lists the "In-Reply-To" field after the "References" field. VM lists the "In-Reply-To" field first. The only thing which I can think of, is that netscape is seeing the "In-Reply-To" field first and then it gives up and ignores the "References" Field. This would clearly be a netscape related problem. Until now I had not time to get involved with emacs, I'm not an IT-professional and I'm using Linux only after work at home. It's my passion,not my job. greetings, Peter
